[Debate] What Happens When Cops Don't Shoot

[BenjerminGaye]

Give those cops a medal for having 0 people die.

 

[Lightbringer]

Idk, why don't you ask Australia, Canada, and the UK or any other modern nation that doesn't shoot first ask questions later? They all seem to be doing to fine without gunning down its citizens.

There will always be incidents, but all you did was take an isolated instance and promoted it like that's exactly what happens when cops don't shoot first.

I could show you a video of a roller coaster malfunctioning. That doesn't mean that's what happens all the time.

The problem is that police are horribly trained in this country. There are studies that show that military veterans that have been police officers are less likely to shoot people than officers without a military background.

That's because the veterans were trained to keep their composure at all times and not be trigger happy. Can you imagine what would happen if they started shooting anyone they had a confrontation with when they were stationed in Afghanistan or Iraq?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Idk, why don't you ask Australia, Canada, and the UK or any other modern nation that doesn't shoot first ask questions later? They all seem to be doing to fine without gunning down its citizens.

There will always be incidents, but all you did was take an isolated instance and promoted it like that's exactly what happens when cops don't shoot first.

I could show you a video of a roller coaster malfunctioning. That doesn't mean that's what happens all the time.

The problem is that police are horribly trained in this country. There are studies that show that military veterans that have been police officers are less likely to shoot people than officers without a military background.

That's because the veterans were trained to keep their composure at all times and not be trigger happy. Can you imagine what would happen if they started shooting anyone they had a confrontation with when they were stationed in Afghanistan or Iraq?

THANK YOU!!! It takes longer to become a licensed barber than a cop in this country, and on top of that they were physically out of shape. But i digress since the end result wasn't a loss of life. That's still good in my eyes.

 

[kimb]

Idk, why don't you ask Australia, Canada, and the UK or any other modern nation that doesn't shoot first ask questions later? They all seem to be doing to fine without gunning down its citizens.

There will always be incidents, but all you did was take an isolated instance and promoted it like that's exactly what happens when cops don't shoot first.

I could show you a video of a roller coaster malfunctioning. That doesn't mean that's what happens all the time.

The problem is that police are horribly trained in this country. There are studies that show that military veterans that have been police officers are less likely to shoot people than officers without a military background.

That's because the veterans were trained to keep their composure at all times and not be trigger happy. Can you imagine what would happen if they started shooting anyone they had a confrontation with when they were stationed in Afghanistan or Iraq?

Those countries aren't filled with gun toting, ravenous criminals hyped up on PCP. Clearly more crime calls for more force; deadly force? Not in all instances, but how can you make the call when you have now prior knowledge of an individual you just encountered? Especially now with the increased encounter rate of perps on PCP and MDMA who are virtually immune to being tasered or pepper sprayed.

There are too many factors going into this, so to label police as trigger happy is too quick to make judgement.

 

[Greedie]

Those countries aren't filled with gun toting, ravenous criminals hyped up on PCP. Clearly more crime calls for more force; deadly force? Not in all instances, but how can you make the call when you have now prior knowledge of an individual you just encountered? Especially now with the increased encounter rate of perps on PCP and MDMA who are virtually immune to being tasered or pepper sprayed.

There are too many factors going into this, so to label police as trigger happy is too quick to make judgement.

I some what feel sorry for the US police at times, Guns being so wide spread only makes their job harder and more dangerous, it's no wonder they're on Edge/Trigger happy all the time.

But i do agree they need more/better training.

 

[Saeha]

Idk, why don't you ask Australia, Canada, and the UK or any other modern nation that doesn't shoot first ask questions later? They all seem to be doing to fine without gunning down its citizens.

There will always be incidents, but all you did was take an isolated instance and promoted it like that's exactly what happens when cops don't shoot first.

I could show you a video of a roller coaster malfunctioning. That doesn't mean that's what happens all the time.

The problem is that police are horribly trained in this country. There are studies that show that military veterans that have been police officers are less likely to shoot people than officers without a military background.

That's because the veterans were trained to keep their composure at all times and not be trigger happy. Can you imagine what would happen if they started shooting anyone they had a confrontation with when they were stationed in Afghanistan or Iraq?

yeah look at these countries population and see the difference, not too hard to figure out what the problem is

 

[BenjerminGaye]

yeah look at these countries population and see the difference, not too hard to figure out what the problem is

population difference? stop it, even if you adjust per capita the rates are still FARR higher in the us.

 

[Saeha]

i watched the unedited video, and dude was on the floor in 2 minutes.

just google vids where taser don't work
i would've shot him and every other person who resists

The cops the people should get guns legally of course and when a copy starts to pull out his gun on you for no reason then shoot that mother****er

please buy a gun (if you dont have one+if you're in america) and point it at a cop
please

population difference? stop it, even if you adjust per capita the rates are still FARR higher in the us.

yes, population difference
look it up and you will see the problem

 

[BenjerminGaye]

just google vids where taser don't work
i would've shot him and every other person who resists

good thing you're not a cop. You' clearly don't have the mental fortitude for it.

 

[Mori Jin]

just google vids where taser don't work
i would've shot him and every other person who resists



please buy a gun (if you dont have one+if you're in america) and point it at a cop
please



yes, population difference
look it up and you will see the problem

Can't buy guns in the UK. If I was living in the US then yeah I'd buy a gun legally. Whatever happens to the cop after happens. Cops are scumbags and criminals (not all of them of course).

 

[Saeha]

good thing you're not a cop. You' clearly don't have the mental fortitude for it.

sadly you're not a cop....please become one and never use a gun, be an awseome example how a cop can survive without a gun for 15minutes

Can't buy guns in the UK. If I was living in the US then yeah I'd buy a gun legally. Whatever happens to the cop after happens. Cops are scumbags and criminals (not all of them of course).

oh the uk is fckd, so you already got what you deserve XD
nah you would be the one in a coffin mate, not him
sure sure
and the people they shoot are saints right

 

[Greedie]

good thing you're not a cop.

Same can be said for you.

God knows how many officers would die under your watch, just so you can pat yourself on the back and say you saved a criminals life.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

sadly you're not a cop....please become one and never use a gun, be an awseome example how a cop can survive without a gun for 15minutes

naw fam that's not 4 me, and many cops go their entire careers without shooting someone so idk what youre trying to get at there. Every day isn't Blue Bloods, or Csi whatever.

Same can be said for you.

God knows how many officers would die under your watch, just so you can pat yourself on the back and say you saved a criminals life.

i'm pretty sure that can be said for anybody still here on narutobase forms years after the manga has ended. The bold is an assumption, but if it helps you sleep at night knowing that blood is on your hands then be my guest.

 

[Greedie]

The bold is an assumption, but if it helps you sleep at night knowing that blood is on your hands then be my guest.

I would gladly have blood on my hand to save an innocent person from some criminal on PCP.

I myself hold the lives of the innocent above that of the criminal scum that beats them so bad it can potentially kill them.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I would gladly have blood on my hand to save an innocent person from some criminal on PCP.

I myself hold the lives of the innocent above that of the criminal scum that beats them so bad it can potentially kill them.

that's the difference between you and me, id rather nobody die in the first place

 

[Chikombo]

So it's better to murder people? How often does it actually happen that cops are not able to take control of the situation without killing people? This is one in a million. I don't know if you are the person that made the video but that person is increadibly ignorant calling people garbage that shouldn't be allowed to live what kind of twisted way of viewing the world is that? If you wanted to be a police officer then you should expect danger. It's not even the worlds most dangerous jobs. Hillary says you should wait longer in the engagement how many videos can be shown with innocent people being shot?

 

[Lightbringer]

Those countries aren't filled with gun toting, ravenous criminals hyped up on PCP. Clearly more crime calls for more force; deadly force? Not in all instances, but how can you make the call when you have now prior knowledge of an individual you just encountered? Especially now with the increased encounter rate of perps on PCP and MDMA who are virtually immune to being tasered or pepper sprayed.

There are too many factors going into this, so to label police as trigger happy is too quick to make judgement.

@Bold So you're telling there was less danger in the Iraq war than living in the U.S.?

It's not a label, it's a statistic. Yeah and the factor is that the police force is not sufficiently trained to deescalate the situation and are instead armed with military grade equipment, as if going to war.....

Also there is not much diversity among the police force when it comes to race, and yet the majority of deaths are associated with minorities and low income households, even though most of the cases started out as a non-violent crime, such as a trafficking ticket.


Police are literally meant to SERVE AND PROTECT. If you're so paranoid of being hurt on duty or shot, then you shouldn't be a police officer.

Again, I can make another analogy between police and military vets here.

 

[Lightbringer]

yeah look at these countries population and see the difference, not too hard to figure out what the problem is

Do you know what an average means?

 

[Greedie]

that's the difference between you and me, id rather nobody die in the first place

Sometimes wanting everything can leave you with nothing.
If someone hyped up on PCP is violently and repeatedly slamming someones head against the ground, You not taking immediate and decisive action could leave that innocent person getting killed in the first place, Or getting brain damage thus ruining both her life and her families life.

Your just relying on luck that no one dies/receives serious injuries that will affect them for the rest of their lifes, Which you could've potentially prevented just so some criminal can spend the rest of his life behind bars.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Sometimes wanting everything can leave you with nothing.
If someone hyped up on PCP is violently and repeatedly slamming someones head against the ground, You not taking immediate and decisive action could leave that innocent person getting killed in the first place, Or getting brain damage thus ruining both her life and her families life.

Your just relying on luck that no one dies/receives serious injuries that will affect them for the rest of their lifes, Which you could've potentially prevented just so some criminal can spend the rest of his life behind bars.

that clearly wasn't the case here, despite the cops being out of shape. Nobody died, there was 0 serious injuries. Yet for some reason the outcome you're looking for is death. This was an already remote situation as is, yet the result wasn't a loss of life. Yet your complaining that the guy didn't die, which is infinitely worse than injury.