DSM Kabuto vs BSM Naruto

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This doesn't say Kabuto has unlimited or near unlimited reserves of Chakra.


Lol no he doesnt in deed. It clearly imply as long as continuously take in nature you dont progressively tire because you arent using up your internal energy. Your only using up Senjutsu chakra mix'd. Once Senjutsu chakra is done, he simply rinse and repeat taking nature again and rebuilding Senjutsu chakra.
 

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Lol no he doesnt in deed. It clearly imply as long as continuously take in nature you dont progressively tire because you arent using up your internal energy. Your only using up Senjutsu chakra mix'd. Once Senjutsu chakra is done, he simply rinse and repeat taking nature again and rebuilding Senjutsu chakra.

How is he absorbing Natural Energy and balancing it with his Chakra to create Senjutsu Chakra, if his Chakra (inner and outer energies) ran out?
 

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How is he absorbing Natural Energy and balancing it with his Chakra to create Senjutsu Chakra, if his Chakra (inner and outer energies) ran out?

He doesnt. Read the scan again. Clearly talking actual do having inner and outer energies, for it to make sense.

If he actually do have chakra then simply adding natural energy with it means his inner chakra and outer energy isnt being wasted. Its his natural energy thats being waste.
 

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He doesnt. Read the scan again. Clearly talking actual do having inner and outer energies, for it to make sense.

If he actually do have chakra then simply adding natural energy with it means his inner chakra and outer energy isnt being wasted. Its his natural energy thats being waste.

Natural Energy is mixed with his inner and outer energy to produce Senjutsu Chakra, so if it's depleting then so is his natural Chakra. This is foundation of Senjutsu. Kabuto does not have near infinite Chakra.
 

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Bro are you ready to actually read the scan?

Natural Energy is mixed with his inner and outer energy to produce Senjutsu Chakra

Correct.

so if it's depleting then so is his natural Chakra.

No No No No No No read the scan carefully. It clearly says Senjutsu chakra does not use up your internal energy. It clearly explain the difference between using Senjutsu chakra and Ninjutsu chakra.

This is foundation of Senjutsu. Kabuto does not have near infinite Chakra.

He does not have infinite chakra. He has infinite access to Senjutsu chakra.
 

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You have confusion over terms. Internal energy, inner energy or spiritual energy are all the same thing. It, along with physical or outer energy, forms Chakra. So you're contradicting yourself by saying I'm correct for saying NE is mixed with natural Chakra (inner energy + outer energy) and then you refuting Senjutsu doesn't use up inner energy at the same time. It makes no sense. Either you're confused with what words mean or you don't understand the concept of Senjutsu.

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Blue is inner/internal/spiritual energy and red is outer/physical energy both form natural Chakra. Green is Natural Energy mixed with natural Chakra to produce Senjutsu Chakra.

There is no such thing called Senjutsu Chakra doesn't use up inner energy, which is what half composes Chakra and at the same not being depleted.

Kabuto's access to NE is as long as how much Chakra he has and can balance, and it's not in top 5 or 10 top Chakra characters, even if we excluded Ototsuki and Jinchuriki's.
 
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You have confusion over terms. Internal energy, inner energy or spiritual energy are all the same thing.

No I'm not and no where did I ever imply it wasnt.

It, along with physical or outer energy, forms Chakra.

Correct

So you're contradicting yourself by saying I'm correct for saying NE is mixed with natural Chakra (inner energy + outer energy) and then you refuting Senjutsu doesn't use up inner energy at the same time. It makes no sense. Either you're confused with what words mean or you don't understand the concept of Senjutsu.

Lol no its you whos contradicting manga. I really cant stress this enough. Stop adding your own words manga doesnt support. It making no sense to you does not change a manga fact.

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Blue is inner/internal/spiritual energy and red is outer/physical energy both form natural Chakra. Green is Natural Energy mixed with natural Chakra to produce Senjutsu Chakra.

Already aware.

There is no such thing called Senjutsu Chakra doesn't use up inner energy, which is what half composes Chakra and at the same not being depleted.

How are you going to outright disagree with the manga?
 
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Bro, you're posting scans and misunderstanding their context. All it means is that SM users can rejuvenate faster than non-SM users, because they're additionally using energy outside of their own to last longer. Natural Energy is infinite but Kabuto's access to it is finite because he uses his own Chakra, which is limited, to mix it with NE and create Senjutsu Chakra. He doesn't have access to unlimited Senjutsu nor is his Chakra infinite.

If we were to flawlessly interpret scans as you're doing now, then answer this: Why did Naruto become exhausted after his fight with Pain? According to you, Naruto should have infinite access to Senjutsu Chakra, because he's NE and not his inner energy? Don't come to me with your casual BS that Kabuto's acquire to Jugo's DNA makes him different, because that isn't answering the question.
 

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How is he absorbing Natural Energy and balancing it with his Chakra to create Senjutsu Chakra, if his Chakra (inner and outer energies) ran out?

Because it supposedly has a regenerative effect on its user, hence why Naruto realized that he could master FRS afterwards because accumulating Natural Energy constantly enables faster recuperation.
 

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Bro, you're posting scans and misunderstanding their context. All it means is that SM users can rejuvenate faster than non-SM users, because they're additionally using energy outside of their own to last longer. Natural Energy is infinite but Kabuto's access to it is finite because he uses his own Chakra, which is limited, to mix it with NE and create Senjutsu Chakra. He doesn't have access to unlimited Senjutsu nor is his Chakra infinite.

Sorry its contradicting manga. If you are right, then Kabuto is in deed using up his internal energy (which is part of producing ninjutsu chakra).
Um yes he does, that why he specifically wanted Juugo DNA, to passively take in natural energy. And he mastered balancing it within himself. So he can constantly re balance the energies for Senjutsu.

Why did Naruto become exhausted after his fight with Pain? According to you, Naruto should have infinite access to Senjutsu Chakra,

Because he ran out of Senjutsu chakra? And the moment he gain them back from his Clone passively absorbing for him, recovered as he was brand new?

because he's NE and not his inner energy? Don't come to me with your casual BS that Kabuto's acquire to Jugo's DNA makes him different, because that isn't answering the question.

Are you serious dude? First part was self explanatory. Kabuto literally used Juugo's ability to passively take in natural energy at any time.
 

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Sorry its contradicting manga. If you are right, then Kabuto is in deed using up his internal energy (which is part of producing ninjutsu chakra).
Um yes he does, that why he specifically wanted Juugo DNA, to passively take in natural energy. And he mastered balancing it within himself. So he can constantly re balance the energies for Senjutsu.

''No No No No No No read the scan carefully. It clearly says Senjutsu chakra does not use up your internal energy. It clearly explain the difference between using Senjutsu chakra and Ninjutsu chakra.'' - Brother Numpsay

I'm right based on your interpretation. See, was that so hard?

Because he ran out of Senjutsu chakra? And the moment he gain them back from his Clone passively absorbing for him, recovered as he was brand new?

After fighting Pain, Naruto became exhausted and couldn't gather Senjutsu.

Are you serious dude? First part was self explanatory. Kabuto literally used Juugo's ability to passively take in natural energy at any time.

Everybody knows this.
 

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if u restricted edo
Naruto stomps
 

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''No No No No No No read the scan carefully. It clearly says Senjutsu chakra does not use up your internal energy. It clearly explain the difference between using Senjutsu chakra and Ninjutsu chakra.'' - Brother Numpsay

I'm right based on your interpretation. See, was that so hard?

So you pretty much made it clear you arent reading. My quote here is quoting manga. Then I clearly stated:

If you are right, then Kabuto is in deed using up his internal energy

Which is wrong because manga states he isnt using up internal energy when using Senjutsu, smh.

After fighting Pain, Naruto became exhausted and couldn't gather Senjutsu.

Duh?? Your point? In order for him to gather more is to stand still. Really what was your point?

Everybody knows this.

Then why are you arguing and questioning against it?
 

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So you pretty much made it clear you arent reading. My quote here is quoting manga. Then I clearly stated:



Which is wrong because manga states he isnt using up internal energy when using Senjutsu, smh.



Duh?? Your point? In order for him to gather more is to stand still. Really what was your point?



Then why are you arguing and questioning against it?

u still use internal energy when using senjutsu. Just less in comparison to ninjutsu. You will run out eventually.
 
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Naruto wins, there's no Kabuto healing available when Uzumaki's attacks at this level all involve atomisation and nuking.
 

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u still use internal energy when using senjutsu. Just less in comparison to ninjutsu. You will run out eventually.

Read the scans I post. You dont utilize your own internal energy.

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Then why was he exhausted from Chakra over-usage, if he was only using Senjutsu?

Because he utilize all of his Senjutsu chakra from FRS? When he gains it back up, his as resets/as brand new shown in the manga.
 

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Read the scans I post. You dont utilize your own internal energy.

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yes you do. Senjutsu is the combination of physical, spiritual and natural energy. As such you can't use senjutsu without using physical and spiritual energy.

Because he utilize all of his Senjutsu chakra from FRS? When he gains it back up, his as resets/as brand new shown in the manga.

Wrong again. The reason he regains his chakra is because he canceled his clone. Its already established that when you cancel the clone the chakra(whether it be sage chakra or not) reverts back to the user.
 

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Let me end this real quick. Viz scans


Undeniable manga facts.
 
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