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@DevilHunterDante

Wait, what?

Exactly. You don't even understand the subject but feel the need to keep arguing.
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Here sometimes people blame it on jeans and other western clothing, sometimes on use of mobile, mannequin in the roadside showrooms, girl being out at night alone, girl being out at night with someone , girl having a BF, girl being drunk, girl's family pissing off someone and thus inviting that for their sister/daughter, girl being too beautiful, girl being too haughty, girl smiling, girl talking to someone outside her family ... list can be endless as absurd as it may sound. Ah I forgot- someone once blamed Chinese food.
Seems like your country is a nice place to visit.
I think you live in my country only and in fact in the region where female foeticide is rampant and SJW are least of your worries.
Yes! I love my country!
And people (like you) who are hell bent on destroying the traditional culture should leave.
Just Saying.
Traditional culture? Which tradition? The Indus valley one? The Vedic one? Or the one that was brought in by invaders in different times?

Is it only thinking women that are destroying the traditional value in the land of Gargi and Matreyi or men who cannot even control themselves despite the tradition of "Sanyam" and Brahmcharya prescribed for them?
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>male female ratio
And now are you sure you traced my IP correctly?
Did you actually trace my ISP's IP, my gateway or (one of my) dynamic IPs?
Does it even matter? Unless you belong to Kerala or Puducherry it's more or less the same story.
Did it matter what country I am from when you first brought it up?

Yes. And I covered it twice:

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You pretended that you had no idea what I was referring to and tried to alienate yourself from it and divert the attention with of topic argument since. That was dishonest of you. There is no other word for it. Clearly you had no defense against such thought process that supports rapists and yet you continue.
The things that you mentioned are not ubiquitous. They happen rarely. Besides, the perpetrator is convicted of his crime.

^You acted as if the incidents I referred to originally were some alien concept to you and that's why the name of the country you were from, became important.

But stating that it was my country was not important. You are just abusing your powers and invading my privacy. This wouldn't be the case if it was a normal member, would it be?[/FONT]
So that's all you have to say about your dishonest behaviour and no reply to all the important issues that I pointed out? You have the gall to act a victim to cover up for the fact that you didn't have a single excuse for those statements I mentioned and chose to alienated yourself from the country?

Glad you noticed as a mod I have tools to call your bluff and next time you do not pull that shit with me. If it was a normal member you would have keep pretending that you had no idea about the issues I pointed out in the central quote and it had nothing to do with your surroundings.

That's exactly how you are part of the group that sustain this phenomena named as rape culture.


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You sure have never tried to find out how many cases even reach the trials, let alone conviction. Or how much trouble the victims and their family have to go though for it.

They must obviously be false allegations. The police are not that stupid. They are just trying to save the taxpayer's money.



I haven't heard more outrageous, obscenely naive, wishful claim in a while and I'm saying that as the mod who often ends up moderating NDS threads.


Well, if the rape was real, there's no point debating the criminal. They go to jail.[/FONT]

I doubt even cops have that mush faith in the law department as you. For your sake I hope you are trolling. Otherwise you are too naive to survive outside of your room.







Or forget it. At this point you couldn't stoop lower. ( At least I hope so. People have surprised me before.)

Anywhere from Vedic to post vedic to pre-invader. I don't really know the whole of nomenclature.


So you accuse me of destroying the traditional culture and tell me to leave the country and you don't even know what that is?

When did I support the rapist?

Multiple times. Most recent statement was :

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They must obviously be false allegations. The police are not that stupid. They are just trying to save the taxpayer's money


It was just an analogy. You didn't actually comprehend with what I was trying to say. You just comprehended with it for your own liking.

And that quotes doesn't prove that I am a rape apologist though. Not even close.


A very bad analogy. Contrary to your own opinion on whether you are acting as a rape apologist or not, in the course of this debate you have successfully demonstrated that rape culture does exist. Congratulations! Without your active participation it would have been harder to demonstrate how it works.


But you are raining down on me when I didn't reply to one of your quotes; why did no one replied to this?

I am not raining down on you, you keep coming back to get another dose, despite repeatedly failing in providing any worthwhile argument.

And why should I bother with your argument with someone else when you aren't even replying my post properly?

"53.2 per cent rape cases filed between April 2013-July 2014 false"

That shows that Women's rights commission took care of the rights of the male defendant too.

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That data you provided is from a particular time period within a city Delhi and many of those cases deal with cases which are registered under . With rise of pre marital relationships and changing social norms that law needs adjustments. + media drama with "rape capital of the world " disregarding the rape per capita data etc lead to a lot of mushrooming activists trying to take benefit of it. I am all for fixing the broken law. It also needs to be expanded to include the sodomy within so that male victims can be given justice too. Currently such acts are charged under other sections and thus not even counted among rape stats.

Any data for before and after that duration and for rest of India beyond a sensational headline? How does that negates the over all stats?

And last but not the least - if you wish feminists are more sensitive to the plight of men charged with false cases - you need to stop telling them that they need to look over their shoulder constantly. That it's their problem to stop the rapist. That they do not have a right to safety under the law of your nation and won't get empathy unless they wear the dress you ask them to wear or behave the way you decide for them.

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In the meanwhile try to figure out what's wrong in this picture:

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Ha! Why ask me? This is a typical feminist/SJW response. This is what you get when you let social media raise your kids.[/FONT]

You throw in terms like typical feminism and SJw for any hard question you cannot deal with.

That image is good sample to demonstrate how many men fail to realize they are part of the problem. I'm sure the guy who commented, thought he was being sympathetic to rape victim by venting his anger at the sexist jerk in the video. But his declared idea to punish that patriarchal sexist was to rape the women of sexist's family. Instead of throwing in meaningless words like SJW ( I couldn't care less about them) can you tell us what prompts such absurd notions of justice?

@nefraiko

That was A JOKE, get it ? I was joking ! the fact that you even thinked that I migh be serious shows how stereotypical your way of thinking is. relaaax, beautifull lady :ilu

Let me make it very clear- you are not being as funny as you seem to think you are. I can see you are trying too hard but a flat and dumb joke doesn't cut it for me- and I call them so when they are undermining a serious issue. You got the fitting response for it.

why aren't guys raped
? isn't this discrimination ? I'd like also to be approached by the other gender and to be followed, I'd also like to be raped by women !! men have the right to be treated like women ! I call for an international protest ! female inactivity has to cease ! females have to hunt just like males do that is equality !!


And yep this second attempt at comedy sucks just as much.

Guys do get raped. They may have to face less social discrimination when it's a woman who raped( or may even be an ego boost as in your jokes) but male upon male rape cases are even less likely to be reported because many countries don't even class it as one or discriminate those victims worse. If you think it's something to joke about and not to be discussed seriously even when we are talking about rape then you are failing them.
 
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The only consequences the guy has had to face are protestors (everyday volunteers) outside his house and this disgusting injustice.

wrong. being a known *** offender is in itself a life ruining consequence.


it's a just penalty for his drunken crime but your lack of empathy for the seriousness of being a *** offender and the consequences it has on the rest of your life is troublesome.
 

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I definitely agree ...I just think its a problem when people think its the new norm to be grabbing women by the crutches is ok. ..
 

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Exactly. You don't even understand the subject but feel the need to keep arguing.
So that's all you have to say about your dishonest behaviour and no reply to all the important issues that I pointed out? You have the gall to act a victim to cover up for the fact that you didn't have a single excuse for those statements I mentioned and chose to alienated yourself from the country?

Glad you noticed as a mod I have tools to call your bluff and next time you do not pull that shit with me. If it was a normal member you would have keep pretending that you had no idea about the issues I pointed out in the central quote and it had nothing to do with your surroundings.

That's exactly how you are part of the group that sustain this phenomena named as rape culture.






I haven't heard more outrageously obscenely naive wishful claim in a while and I'm saying that as the mod who often ends up moderating NDS threads.




I doubt even cops have that mush faith in the law department as you. For your sake I hope you are trolling. Otherwise you are too naive to survive outside of your room.







Or forget it. At this point you couldn't stoop lower. ( At least I hope so. People have surprised me before.)




So you accuse me of destroying the traditional culture and tell me to leave the country and you don't even know what that is?



Multiple times. Most recent statement was :






A very bad analogy. Contrary to your own opinion on whether you are acting as a rape apologist or not, in the course of this debate you have successfully demonstrated that rape culture does exist. Congratulations! Without your active participation it would have been harder to demonstrate how it works.




I am not raining down on you, you keep coming back to get another dose, despite repeatedly failing in providing any worthwhile argument.

And why should I bother with your argument with someone else when you aren't even replying my post properly?



That shows that Women's rights commission took care of the rights of the male defendant too.

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That data you provided is from a particular time period within a city Delhi and many of those cases deal with cases which are registered under . With rise of pre marital relationships and changing social norms that law needs adjustments. + media drama with "rape capital of the world " disregarding the rape per capita data etc lead to a lot of mushrooming activists trying to take benefit of it. I am all for fixing the broken law. It also needs to be expanded to include the sodomy within so that male victims can be given justice too. Currently such acts are charged under other sections and thus not even counted among rape stats.

Any data for before and after that duration and for rest of India beyond a sensational headline? How does that negates the over all stats?

And last but not the least - if you wish feminists are more sensitive to the plight of men charged with false cases - you need to stop telling them that they need to look over their shoulder constantly. That it's their problem to stop the rapist. That they do not have a right to safety under the law of your nation and won't get empathy unless they wear the dress you ask them to wear or behave the way you decide for them.



You throw in terms like typical feminism and SJw for any hard question you cannot deal with.

That image is good sample to demonstrate how many men fail to realize they are part of the problem. I'm sure the guy who commented, thought he was being sympathetic to rape victim by venting his anger at the sexist jerk in the video. But his declared idea to punish that patriarchal sexist was to rape the women of sexist's family. Instead of throwing in meaningless words like SJW ( I couldn't care less about them) can you tell us what prompts such absurd notions of justice?

@nefraiko

Let me make it very clear- you are not being as funny as you seem to think you are. I can see you are trying too hard but a flat and dumb joke doesn't cut it for me- and I call them so when they are undermining a serious issue. You got the fitting response for it.




And yep this second attempt at comedy sucks just as much.

Guys do get raped. They may have to face less social discrimination when it's a woman who raped( or may even be an ego boost as in your jokes) but male upon male rape cases are even less likely to be reported because many countries don't even class it as one or discriminate those victims worse. If you think it's something to joke about and not to be discussed seriously even when we are talking about rape then you are failing them.


I joke about it because I seriously don't see anything to discuss about this topic, rape is a violation of the person and is wrong and punished by the law and that's it. what is there to argue aabout on this ? if someone makes arguments to legitimate rape then just don't bother with him, bbecause this is a universal thing : rape is wrong, illegal, punishable.
 
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I joke about it because I seriously don't see anything to discuss about this topic, rape is a violation of the person and is wrong and punished by the law and that's it. what is there to argue aabout on this ? if someone makes arguments to legitimate rape then just don't bother with him, bbecause this is a universal thing : rape is wrong, illegal, punishable.

the problem is they're overly broadening the definition of rape, such as suggesting drunken women who are still conscious who regret their own actions the next day are now rape victims(regardless of how drunk the dude is).


That's not rape, thats consensual *** and regret
 

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the problem is they're overly broadening the definition of rape, such as suggesting drunken women who are still conscious who regret their own actions the next day are now rape victims(regardless of how drunk the dude is).


That's not rape, thats consensual *** and regret

If a person's ability to reason is compromised beyond a certain point, then it isn't rape.
 

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If a person's ability to reason is compromised beyond a certain point, then it isn't rape.


bet you don't believe brock turner deserved leniency even though his ability to reason was compromised

you don't even believe your own shit.


If a person is drunk but is still conscious, then they are responsible for their decisions no matter how fat and ugly they are.
 
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bet you don't believe brock turner deserved leniency even though his ability to reason was compromised

you don't even believe your own shit.


If a person is drunk but is still conscious, then they are responsible for their decisions no matter how fat and ugly they are.

By how much?
 

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By how much?

"Tested some time after his arrest, Turner's blood alcohol content was estimated to have been 0.171% at 1 a.m."


"80–199 mg/dL – Binge drinking: Ataxia, poor judgement, labile mood. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) defines the term "binge drinking" as a pattern of drinking that brings a person's blood alcohol concentration (BAC) to 0.08 g/dL or above



i'd say pretty damn
 

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Easy there. You might just trigger a bunch of feminists.


SJW tears are always so sweet!

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Only someone as narrow minded as you could misconstrue any of those words as being tearful.

You're just so unbelievably not worth reasoning with that it's laughable. That's it.

-EDIT- By the way, I find it hilarious that people have tried to turn the term Social Justice into a derogatory connotation. That's how you know you're on the right side of a debate.
 

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"Tested some time after his arrest, Turner's blood alcohol content was estimated to have been 0.171% at 1 a.m."


"80–199 mg/dL – Binge drinking: Ataxia, poor judgement, labile mood. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) defines the term "binge drinking" as a pattern of drinking that brings a person's blood alcohol concentration (BAC) to 0.08 g/dL or above



i'd say pretty damn

Eyewitnesses confirmed that Brock wasn't slurring his words or appeared drunk whatsoever, suggesting his mental competency was still there that he could be held accountable. Turner himself confessed he remembered everything from the night.
 

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Eyewitnesses confirmed that Brock wasn't slurring his words or appeared drunk whatsoever, suggesting his mental competency was still there that he could be held accountable. Turner himself confessed he remembered everything from the night.

one night I got drunk and wrecked my car showing off. I remember everything, that doesn't mean I would have even remotely made the same decision if not inebriated.

It's hilarious you're actually trying to argue against the fact that alcohol impairs your judgement even though you're in a mostly lucid state. I'm arguing he's still responsible for his decision, but deserves a little leniency(which he got). You however argue that women in his exact same state aren't responsible for their decisions if they regret them the next day.

Either way, you're wrong.


on a side note stop arguing that correlation doesn't equal causation only when it suits you. I've seen you argue that poverty is the reason for black crime rates (though more whites in America are actually in poverty yet commit vastly less violent crime). To that I say correlation doesn't equal causation. When you're presented with facts implicating feminism has negative effects you claim that correlation doesn't equal causation. It's a cop out and you know it. Disprove their claim as I did with your past black poverty claim, or concede you're outmatched.
 

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I joke about it because I seriously don't see anything to discuss about this topic, rape is a violation of the person and is wrong and punished by the law and that's it. what is there to argue aabout on this ? if someone makes arguments to legitimate rape then just don't bother with him, bbecause this is a universal thing : rape is wrong, illegal, punishable.

@ Bold. Yea I can see that and that's why you got the response you got.

But none of us are arguing whether rape is wrong or not. Even the people trying to deny rape culture have no choice but to agree to that extent.

Issue is the behviour by certain section when they directly or indirectly, knowingly or unknowingly end up supporting actions that undermine the attempts to reduce this crime. You would have noticed that if you paid attention to the end of my reply to the other person in the post you quoted.


the problem is they're overly broadening the definition of rape, such as suggesting drunken women who are still conscious who regret their own actions the next day are now rape victims(regardless of how drunk the dude is).

That's not rape, thats consensual *** and regret

Source? You have posted completely misleading analysis of laws too many times before so I am not going to take your word for it.

one night I got drunk and wrecked my car showing off. I remember everything, that doesn't mean I would have even remotely made the same decision if not inebriated.

And that's why drunken driving is prohibited and punishable and same goes for drunken attempts of getting laid.

It's hilarious you're actually trying to argue against the fact that alcohol impairs your judgement even though you're in a mostly lucid state. I'm arguing he's still responsible for his decision, but deserves a little leniency(which he got). You however argue that women in his exact same state aren't responsible for their decisions if they regret them the next day.

People need to take responsibility of their behaviour in general whether male or female. But the problem here is that you are presenting the assumption of the consent by all these women as a fact. And then act as if that's the only kind of non-rape rape that occurs and this whole discourse is about that only. That's just not true.
 
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wrong. being a known *** offender is in itself a life ruining consequence.


it's a just penalty for his drunken crime but your lack of empathy for the seriousness of being a *** offender and the consequences it has on the rest of your life is troublesome.

So you think that his punishment is...down to the general public to do? Just hope that people go out of their way- well, the protesters kinda had to- because their justice system did nothing. That's a very vigilante approach that won't exactly strengthen people's faith in the system.

And i'm sorry but 'troublesome' doesn't really do it? He's still gotten off lucky in the best case scenario for what he did. Still gets that nice cushy big house and gets to further that blessed swimming career of his. Hope he makes his country proud.
 

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So you think that his punishment is...down to the general public to do? Just hope that people go out of their way- well, the protesters kinda had to- because their justice system did nothing. That's a very vigilante approach that won't exactly strengthen people's faith in the system.

And i'm sorry but 'troublesome' doesn't really do it? He's still gotten off lucky in the best case scenario for what he did. Still gets that nice cushy big house and gets to further that blessed swimming career of his. Hope he makes his country proud.



sit down
 

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Oh fair enough, shows how unimportant the swimming career was in his ruling- weird for a judge to have an excuse like that.

I still know what i'd take- end of my swimming days with some people knowing...the truth? or end of my freedom.
 

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If a person's ability to reason is compromised beyond a certain point, then it isn't rape.

How then is this proved? Remember the court apprehends according to influences and restiveness :sdo:

We agree I'd buy a lady something after ***(I happen to not buy her) and she cries in court tomorrow shifting the entire story with good lawyers, is that rape? If not what this "perfect line between "bad decision making and rape" then? Otherwise if this is not defined then "death penalty to rape", "over 90%" rape descriptions are complete bull shit.

My country has the highest reported rape crimes simply because the law is on the women's side ie. A simple complement to a lady can be turned into a rape if you have a good enough lawyer unlike Majority of Asian countries where the Law isn't so friendly to women. Basically instead of being "country" with the most rape "happenings" we are the country with the most "rape CASES" in the world because of this pointless Bullshit...
 

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Exactly. You don't even understand the subject but feel the need to keep arguing.
No, I mean what's use puts me back into the state with highest crime against women?

So that's all you have to say about your dishonest behaviour and no reply to all the important issues that I pointed out?
What issues did I not reply to?

You have the gall to act a victim to cover up for the fact that you didn't have a single excuse for those statements I mentioned and chose to alienated yourself from the country?

Glad you noticed as a mod I have tools to call your bluff and next time you do not pull that shit with me. If it was a normal member you would have keep pretending that you had no idea about the issues I pointed out in the central quote and it had nothing to do with your surroundings.
No matter what you say, you had an unfair advantage as a mod. And you did a good job to abuse it.

And what does anything has to do with my surroundings? Things happening in my vicinity are not enough to generalize anything. Because there are no women getting raped in my vicinity.


That's exactly how you are part of the group that sustain this phenomena named as rape culture.
There's no rape culture, though.

I haven't heard more outrageous, obscenely naive, wishful claim in a while and I'm saying that as the mod who often ends up moderating NDS threads.
I'm waiting for your statistics to disprove my claim.

I doubt even cops have that mush faith in the law department as you. For your sake I hope you are trolling. Otherwise you are too naive to survive outside of your room.





Three anecdotes. Nothing to generalize anything. There always are some exceptions, doesn't mean it disrupts the generalized notion.
I need some broader statistics.


Or forget it. At this point you couldn't stoop lower. ( At least I hope so. People have surprised me before.)
I could care less for your insults at this point.

Inb4 you say this is a criticism.


So you accuse me of destroying the traditional culture and tell me to leave the country and you don't even know what that is?
It's impossible to pin point the exact time in the chronology.
But I gave you the upper and lower limits.


Multiple times. Most recent statement was :
It's not a rapist if it's a false allegation. Try again.

A very bad analogy. Contrary to your own opinion on whether you are acting as a rape apologist or not, in the course of this debate you have successfully demonstrated that rape culture does exist. Congratulations! Without your active participation it would have been harder to demonstrate how it works.
Why are you jumping to your own made conclusions?
1. You never proved I am a rape apologist.
2. I never demonstrated rape culture.


despite repeatedly failing in providing any worthwhile argument.
Whatever helps you sleep.

And why should I bother with your argument with someone else when you aren't even replying my post properly?
Excuse, excuses!
That was meant not just for him; but all SJWs here in general.
You don't have a valid argument against that now?


That shows that Women's rights commission took care of the rights of the male defendant too.
"Women's rights commission"
"took care of male"


Haha! Nice one!


That data you provided is from a particular time period within a city Delhi and many of those cases deal with cases which are registered under . With rise of pre marital relationships and changing social norms that law needs adjustments. + media drama with "rape capital of the world " disregarding the rape per capita data etc lead to a lot of mushrooming activists trying to take benefit of it. I am all for fixing the broken law. It also needs to be expanded to include the sodomy within so that male victims can be given justice too. Currently such acts are charged under other sections and thus not even counted among rape stats.
Promising for marriage and using a girl for *** is wrong though.

And last but not the least - if you wish feminists are more sensitive to the plight of men charged with false cases - you need to stop telling them that they need to look over their shoulder constantly. That it's their problem to stop the rapist. That they do not have a right to safety under the law of your nation and won't get empathy unless they wear the dress you ask them to wear or behave the way you decide for them.
You just proved that feminist is a sexist movement; it only cares about women.

You throw in terms like typical feminism and SJw for any hard question you cannot deal with.

That image is good sample to demonstrate how many men fail to realize they are part of the problem. I'm sure the guy who commented, thought he was being sympathetic to rape victim by venting his anger at the sexist jerk in the video. But his declared idea to punish that patriarchal sexist was to rape the women of sexist's family. Instead of throwing in meaningless words like SJW ( I couldn't care less about them) can you tell us what prompts such absurd notions of justice?
What are you getting at me for? The guy that commented this is a jerk.

Let me make it very clear- you are not being as funny as you seem to think you are. I can see you are trying too hard but a flat and dumb joke doesn't cut it for me- and I call them so when they are undermining a serious issue. You got the fitting response for it.
"...serious issue..."
Haha! You are funny.

He accomplished his task - trigger the feminists.
 
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