My Favorite Thing About Rape Culture

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Radical feminism is a branch of feminism distinguished by its study of patriarchy as an end in itself rather than a secondary aspect of some larger intersectional system

Radical feminism is a branch of feminism distinguished by its study of patriarchy as an end in itself rather than a secondary aspect of some larger intersectional system

The different branches of feminism were all controversial for their times, but none of them were as provocative with their theories and as extreme with their solutions as radical feminism. In this lesson, we will unpack the oftentimes fanatical and uncompromising ideals of radical feminism.
Definition of Radical Feminism
Radical feminist beliefs are based on the idea that the main cause of women's oppression originates from social roles and institutional structures being constructed from male supremacy and patriarchy.

Radical feminism promotes the basis for many of the ideas of feminism

So we can stop with the strawmans now

Wow, Kibouu as usual resorts to being a troll.

Instead of opening your mouth and making arguments or posts that fail to add zero merit to the debate, maybe ask me why I'm doing what I'm doing? I made it clear I'm not debating him anymore and yet when I make this clear, he'll respond to my post even if I was debating to someone else. I don't know if you noticed but he failed to respond to my posts prior to me threatening to ignore him nor did he present proof prior to the same threat. How do you remedy this issue? Troll at least it's worked for me with others. You act like I haven't been debating him this whole time when he has yet to disprove my statements you also act like he doesn't have a history of not addressing arguments that dismantle his logic or just not addressing them altogether. I love how people like you just love being with the majority or popular viewpoint.

Feminazi: Man-hating, believes women are superior
Feminist: Someone who believes the sexes should be treated equally.

This whole propaganda that the two are the same is something born of ignorance (wilful or not), or the asinine ramblings of a child looking to be edgy or for attention. Margaret Atwood is a feminist, Susan Brownmiller is a feminazi. Good grief, Wollstonecraft would be spinning in her grave if she witnessed the radical branch of feminism that had sprung.

Please stop, you sound like Riker and I'm refraining myself to call you what I call him because this post fits the context very well. You're essentially saying that a Lutheran is correct to call a Catholic out on not being a Christian because some of their beliefs differ. Riker makes the (stupid) argument that (all) feminism are SUPPOSED TO BE about gender equality (all the one point, even saying it was the same as egalitarianism) and if they are not, then they aren't feminist, yet there is white feminism (something supposed true feminist of today don't even like) that only cares about the problems of white women and black feminism that share the same belief but for their respective race. This by example already shows that there is not only a contradiction of feminism but also shows that what Riker does and will continue to do, is the No Scottsman fallacy that SJWS love to spew so much. As to prior examples I gave, it's all the same thing

He strikes me as the kind that just likes to wind themselves up about things that piss them off.

He's adding nothing new to the debate and is just a troll.

So according to your logic, I can't talk about stuff I don't like in the general discussion thread? Pot meet kettle especially when the tone of your posts show contempt for discussions similar to this which have been conveyed before. I'm adding nothing to the thread? Riker hasn't disprove anything I've said thus far only maybe a little as me retracting my statement that nobody undermines rape (which shouldn't have had to been elucidated based on discussions I've had in the past about rape) so if he's not adding anything what makes you think I can?

Hey, here's a fun thought. The literal existence of a 'rape culture' doesn't matter at all. It's irrelevant. What I do see is a number of men trying to downplay and invalidate the importance of sexual assault, victim blaming...perpetuating all this sh*t into a nice little toxic cycle. back and wonder where this intolerance in you towards victims of crime is coming from. [/I]

Good, then leave it at that and call it something else. Like Fiji said, feminist are trying to use a feminist coined term to argue and trying to impose it regular societal use as the "standard" when there is not only no proof for this, but also calling everyone they argue against as either wrong or contributing to it

"Rape culture includes jokes, TV, music, advertising, legal jargon, laws, words and imagery, that make violence against women and sexual coercion seem so normal that people believe that rape is inevitable. Rather than viewing the culture of rape as a problem to change, people in a rape culture think about the persistence of rape as “just the way things are.”

"Other drivers of Western culture include Latin, Celtic, Germanic and Hellenic ethnic and linguistic groups. Today, the influences of Western culture can be seen in almost every country in the world."


My former quote is coming from a feminist website. The way they described it is exactly what a culture is. They even go ahead and say culture of rape, implying that there is a culture (the same as the context I'm using it in) of rape

Please answer me one thing, where is the harm in treating such a gross, personal crime more seriously? A crime that is completely commonplace in even the most casual, chill places in the world.
back and wonder where this intolerance in you towards victims of crime is coming from. [/I]

You act as if people don't do this you act as if people don't speak out against it which is why I'm baffled on what you people are arguing anyway. Aren't you aware that always a minority that is against what is perceived to be right, or do you not know how life works? Unless any of you with statistics can prove the majority of people think like this in American society, then it is not a culture

The general public doesn't do this. If we want to make this argument we can attribute this to everything bad in society

The two sides with this debate are rapists and non-rapists, not men VS women.

I don't know how this got twisted into some hate attempt against 'the evil feminazi menace' this forum (and the gender-obsessed internet in general) seems to be so pissed at. back and wonder where this intolerance in you towards victims of crime is coming from. [/I]

Nobody made this argument, not one. Feminist have everything to do with this argument because they are the ones pushing it

Psst guys, just like the OP- you're tormenting yourselves with this image of a person that doesn't really exist at all. The SJW is a creation of the internet and is almost non-existent in real life...and for those with real life experience? I think you know this. Both genders are at a playground level Boys VS Girls argument and it's immature and embarrassing. What does the real world has a lot of? Intolerance.
back and wonder where this intolerance in you towards victims of crime is coming from. [/I]

SJW became a pejorative the same way the term troll has became one for a particular group of people. It's slang term that's obviously not a part (an official part) of English vocabulary (but of English vernacular) for a certain group of people. For you to deny this is for you to make your statement about me being a troll as irrelevant as me calling you an SJW. Also thank you for not addressing my points and instead resort to ad hominems, further proving my point about SJW's logic and argumentation

No matter your stance on this issue- you guys gotta sit back and wonder where this intolerance in you towards victims of crime is coming from.

The fact that everyone doesn't think the same and everyone is their own persons. Guess what? That's the way life is, if someone doesn't want to change their mindset, then they aren't going to. Like I said before, any of have to prove it's the majority that think like this.

At bold: Did you, by accident convey your true feelings towards this topic or are you just raging your response as fast as you can?

Assuming it was a typo; Sure, women can dress more moderately for their safety but then telling them they should do so is taking away the attention from the perpetrator to the victim. You have to address and condemn the perpetrators, not the victims. This is another reason why the term 'rape culture' stands. You're still pretty much blaming the victims. Widen that bubble of thought of yours so you'll grasp the concept.
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YowYan: Telling someone to be safe is perpetuating rape culture? Just the same way as telling people to eat slow is perpetuating choking culture right? This argument falls flat on its face to assume people who do this even put the victim at blame and instead don't fully blame the rapist. In other words labelling something a factor doesn't mean your blaming anyone. This is no different then saying, take precaution when walking in the street when you have the right of way because people can still hit you due to the lack of care and then someone gets hit. That's not an automatic assumption that the person (s) conveying this is even blaming the victim of the accident.

There's colleges near me handing out rape whistles and statistics saying that 1 out of 5 women will be raped and 1 out of 16 men will be raped on college campuses.
And people are legit denying that "rape culture"exists
Only good thing about this thread is that it weeds out the ignorant pieces of shit

Rollin: So because they handed you (false) statistics and whistles then automatically that means it's true? So I guess the cops shooting all the black people since they hold the highest crime statistics makes it just huh?

 

[rollin]

Radical feminism is a branch of feminism distinguished by its study of patriarchy as an end in itself rather than a secondary aspect of some larger intersectional system











So we can stop with the strawmans now



Instead of opening your mouth and making arguments or posts that fail to add zero merit to the debate, maybe ask me why I'm doing what I'm doing? I made it clear I'm not debating him anymore and yet when I make this clear, he'll respond to my post even if I was debating to someone else. I don't know if you noticed but he failed to respond to my posts prior to me threatening to ignore him nor did he present proof prior to the same threat. How do you remedy this issue? Troll at least it's worked for me with others. You act like I haven't been debating him this whole time when he has yet to disprove my statements you also act like he doesn't have a history of not addressing arguments that dismantle his logic or just not addressing them altogether. I love how people like you just love being with the majority or popular viewpoint.



Please stop, you sound like Riker and I'm refraining myself to call you what I call him because this post fits the context very well. You're essentially saying that a Lutheran is correct to call a Catholic out on not being a Christian because some of their beliefs differ. Riker makes the (stupid) argument that (all) feminism are SUPPOSED TO BE about gender equality (all the one point, even saying it was the same as egalitarianism) and if they are not, then they aren't feminist, yet there is white feminism (something supposed true feminist of today don't even like) that only cares about the problems of white women and black feminism that share the same belief but for their respective race. This by example already shows that there is not only a contradiction of feminism but also shows that what Riker does and will continue to do, is the No Scottsman fallacy that SJWS love to spew so much. As to prior examples I gave, it's all the same thing




So according to your logic, I can't talk about stuff I don't like in the general discussion thread? Pot meet kettle especially when the tone of your posts show contempt for discussions similar to this which have been conveyed before. I'm adding nothing to the thread? Riker hasn't disprove anything I've said thus far only maybe a little as me retracting my statement that nobody undermines rape (which shouldn't have had to been elucidated based on discussions I've had in the past about rape) so if he's not adding anything what makes you think I can?




Good, then leave it at that and call it something else. Like Fiji said, feminist are trying to use a feminist coined term to argue and trying to impose it regular societal use as the "standard" when there is not only no proof for this, but also calling everyone they argue against as either wrong or contributing to it

"Rape culture includes jokes, TV, music, advertising, legal jargon, laws, words and imagery, that make violence against women and sexual coercion seem so normal that people believe that rape is inevitable. Rather than viewing the culture of rape as a problem to change, people in a rape culture think about the persistence of rape as “just the way things are.”

"Other drivers of Western culture include Latin, Celtic, Germanic and Hellenic ethnic and linguistic groups. Today, the influences of Western culture can be seen in almost every country in the world."


My former quote is coming from a feminist website. The way they described it is exactly what a culture is. They even go ahead and say culture of rape, implying that there is a culture (the same as the context I'm using it in) of rape



You act as if people don't do this you act as if people don't speak out against it which is why I'm baffled on what you people are arguing anyway. Aren't you aware that always a minority that is against what is perceived to be right, or do you not know how life works? Unless any of you with statistics can prove the majority of people think like this in American society, then it is not a culture

The general public doesn't do this. If we want to make this argument we can attribute this to everything bad in society





Nobody made this argument, not one. Feminist have everything to do with this argument because they are the ones pushing it




SJW became a pejorative the same way the term troll has became one for a particular group of people. It's slang term that's obviously not a part (an official part) of English vocabulary (but of English vernacular) for a certain group of people. For you to deny this is for you to make your statement about me being a troll as irrelevant as me calling you an SJW. Also thank you for not addressing my points and instead resort to ad hominems, further proving my point about SJW's logic and argumentation





The fact that everyone doesn't think the same and everyone is their own persons. Guess what? That's the way life is, if someone doesn't want to change their mindset, then they aren't going to. Like I said before, any of have to prove it's the majority that think like this.




YowYan: Telling someone to be safe is perpetuating rape culture? Just the same way as telling people to eat slow is perpetuating choking culture right? This argument falls flat on its face to assume people who do this even put the victim at blame and instead don't fully blame the rapist. In other words labelling something a factor doesn't mean your blaming anyone. This is no different then saying, take precaution when walking in the street when you have the right of way because people can still hit you due to the lack of care and then someone gets hit. That's not an automatic assumption that the person (s) conveying this is even blaming the victim of the accident.




Rollin: So because they handed you (false) statistics and whistles then automatically that means it's true? So I guess the cops shooting all the black people since they hold the highest crime statistics makes it just huh?

A person should feel safe to wear what they want without worrying to be raped.
That response you said to yowyan is many of the things people consider "rape culture"
Comparing someone eating and choking on their food to someone wearing something provocative and getting raped is a shitty analogy.
Eating and choking on food is something you do to yourself,getting raped isn't.

 

[Dantе]

If you feel insulted by something like that you shouldn't be debating anything at all let alone on internet.

Nice arguments! You totally changed my mind!

It's not a safe place for you. :|

Dear DHD - I have volunteered to make it a safe space as much as possible. ^^

Oy Vey!

Does it even matter?

Did it matter what country I am from when you first brought it up?

You pretended that you had no idea what I was referring to and tried to alienate yourself from it and divert the attention with of topic argument since. That was dishonest of you. There is no other word for it. Clearly you had no defense against such thought process that supports rapists and yet you continue.

The things that you mentioned are not ubiquitous. They happen rarely. Besides, the perpetrator is convicted of his crime.

It's a different story if you actually believe the rapist should be given a life sentence (unless the victim is a child).

And this is the kind of argument you make and yet take offense when compared with a pigeon playing chess.

1. I can't commit any fallacy against the rape victim because I am not debating him/her.
2. Questioning victim's conduct is not ad hominem. It is relevant to the case.

Traditional culture? Which tradition? The Indus valley one? The Vedic one? Or the one that was brought in by invaders in different times?

Is it only thinking women that are destroying the traditional value in the land of Gargi and Matreyi or men who cannot even control themselves despite the tradition of "Sanyam" and Brahmcharya prescribed for them?

Nice cherrypicking.

But I think you are confused with my stance. I am no rape apologist. I believe rapist should get punished.
It's just that you are just over-exaggerating the situation. You know how the false rape statistics go in our country? It's actually very high.
And per capita rape is actually very low here.

1. Your opinions flat out correlate with that of rape apologists as it's one of the excuses they use to shift the blame from the perpetrator to the victim. You can just shrug it off with a 'that's just your opinion and your opinion is not fact', but please do try to debunk my claim with substance.

Personal incredulity fallacy.
I never said I am a rape apologist.
Expecting women to dress moderately is not blaming them.

Or are you some omnipotent being that has the knowledge of what is objectively right/wrong thought?

2. And a terrible analogy it was.

Whatever you say.

3. It's good for your soul to admit you're wrong, every now and then. I've done so too on NB and it helps you clear your mind from that fog of delusional pride. Don't be a slave to your ego.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

4. That's not an insult as much it is simple feedback/build-up criticism.

Oh my! How careless of me to forget that SJWs always provide criticism and the ones debating them always throw insults.

Wow. Look how many ****ing idiot teenagers there are on this forum.

11 people disliked this post? You are going to grow up to be 11 rapists. Holy shit.

I bet you are one of those who think that all men are potential rapists.

Actually, studies will never to be able to prove such generalizations. I'm not even going to go any further considering what I have been reading.

So a weeb is going to prove any generalizations, completely disposing the statistics?

FYI, your emotional bullshit is not the reality.

The fact that so many MEN are dismissing it doesn't prove anything.

The fact that so many people are enforcing it doesn't prove anything, either.

fact of the matter is a huge chunk of rapes go unreported for this very reason (rape culture)

Haha! Honestly I anticipated someone is going to spout this kikery anytime now.

So answer me this, good friend: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT RAPES HAPPENED WHEN THEY ACTUALLY ARE UNREPORTED?

 

[Dantе]

A person should feel safe to wear what they want without worrying to be raped.
That response you said to yowyan is many of the things people consider "rape culture"
Comparing someone eating and choking on their food to someone wearing something provocative and getting raped is a shitty analogy.
Eating and choking on food is something you do to yourself,getting raped isn't.

But just like being obese increases your chances of dying, so does dressing provocatively increases your chances of getting raped.
And just like dying because being obese is unfortunate, so is getting raped unfortunate.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

But just like being obese increases your chances of dying, so does dressing provocatively increases your chances of getting raped.
And just like dying because being obese is unfortunate, so is getting raped unfortunate.

So you're claiming that men raping is inevitable biological factor in the world like obesity...? Your line of logic isn't exactly wrong- it's just completely missing the point by assuming that rape is natural and should be worked around rather than forced out.

Honest question- no sass or heavy engagement tonight, we're headed out. But isn't the notion of 'men can't control themselves' when presented with scantily-dressed women way more insulting? I think you and I both know we're not cavemen. It's not even that guys need to take more of the responsibility (this is a crime first and only a gender issue second remember) it's the fact that society HAS learned to casually blame the victim in this scenario. Rather than actually doing anything to stop sexually-assaulting cavemen sociopaths, daterapers or the bastard Brock Turners of the world from doing it in the first place. You know that the Brock Turner case was disgusting right, like- just testing the waters here- how far do we agree on that?

Even on our campus, it comes down to 'don't drink drugged drinks' rather than 'Dont. DRUG. PEOPLE.' The lack of authority is underwhelming, misplaced and a little scary even for a guy.

Call it propaganda but there is literally nothing negative in trying to stop victim blaming, no?

 

[Avani 👑]

"Rape culture includes jokes, TV, music, advertising, legal jargon, laws, words and imagery, that make violence against women and sexual coercion seem so normal that people believe that rape is inevitable. Rather than viewing the culture of rape as a problem to change, people in a rape culture think about the persistence of rape as “just the way things are.”

One more:

Rape culture is the idea that we, as a society, have so desensitized ourselves to the idea of sexual assault, sexual exploitation and rape that we now fathom the idea of placing the blame anywhere other than the perpetrator. A society that says, “Well, what did he/she do to provoke such acts?” instead of protecting the lives of victims.

As a whole, there is a world-wide effort to confront the issues of statutory rape. Being that, when a minor has had a sexual act committed, it doesn’t matter if the minor was consenting or not; it is classified as rape.

But overwhelmingly, these men and women that are being raped and exploited are ever so hesitant to report their cases for fear of the back-lash that occurs post reporting. They have a society heaping loads of opinions on them of how they could have prevented or defended themselves. They have their families who can’t comprehend their loved ones being perpetrators. They have the perpetrators friends and families placing the blame on the victims for provocative gestures or dressing.

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Another quote:

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One of the fundamental concepts at the heart of “rape culture” is the idea that rape is inevitable, men can’t help themselves, and women must therefore work to protect themselves against it. Within the context of rape culture, the idea that men are entitled to sexual experiences is deeply entrenched. The UN researchers found that this attitude is pervasive among the rapists they surveyed. Among the men who acknowledged they had sexually assaulted someone else, more than 70 percent of them said they did it because of “sexual entitlement.” Forty percent said they were angry or wanted to punish the woman. About half of the men said they did not feel guilty​

"Other drivers of Western culture include Latin, Celtic, Germanic and Hellenic ethnic and linguistic groups. Today, the influences of Western culture can be seen in almost every country in the world."

That's out of context use of the word thus irrelevant statement.

You are familiar with the words like corporate culture, work culture, highschool culture, campus culture or did you not know the word is used variously?

Simple Definition of culture

: the beliefs, customs, arts, etc., of a particular society, group, place, or time

: a particular society that has its own beliefs, ways of life, art, etc.

: a way of thinking, behaving, or working that exists in a place or organization (such as a business)

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When someone mentions rape culture they are using the third use of the word not the first- I enlarged it for your ease. It's really not that complicated. You could argue it's a very small group and not popular anymore but you chose to deny the existence of such a thinking itself despite contrary evidence all around- even in this thread people implied men cannot be held accountable for acting like a brainless organ or that it's ok to penalize a woman with rape for not following the norm.

It's same as denying earth being round and keep asking for proof rejecting every evidence to the contrary as fake.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Again, the existence of some cult-like 'rape culture' is irrelevant. It's not a conspiracy to crack, all you have to do is read the attitudes in this thread alone to see how some people can downplay and treat rape. It's seriously f*cked.

And this here? This is the source of a large amount of the problem. Radical conspiracists & excuse-makers build up this ugly social attitude. I can see why the term has originated Tackling rape culture as an objective physical group may be the only way to actually get sh*t done.

By the way, FUN FACT: 'rape culture' is a term I actually heard first used in a local police meeting. Some more facts from reality and personal experience, instantly dismissed 'anecdotes' though, i'm sure.

 

[rollin]

But just like being obese increases your chances of dying, so does dressing provocatively increases your chances of getting raped.
And just like dying because being obese is unfortunate, so is getting raped unfortunate.

Yes dressing provocatively increases your chance of being raped in a rape culture

 

[Umari Senju]

Spoiler

Did it matter what country I am from when you first brought it up?


The things that you mentioned are not ubiquitous. They happen rarely. Besides, the perpetrator is convicted of his crime.

It's a different story if you actually believe the rapist should be given a life sentence (unless the victim is a child).


1. I can't commit any fallacy against the rape victim because I am not debating him/her.
2. Questioning victim's conduct is not ad hominem. It is relevant to the case.


Nice cherrypicking.

But I think you are confused with my stance. I am no rape apologist. I believe rapist should get punished.
It's just that you are just over-exaggerating the situation. You know how the false rape statistics go in our country? It's actually very high.
And per capita rape is actually very low here.


Personal incredulity fallacy.
I never said I am a rape apologist.
Expecting women to dress moderately is not blaming them.

Or are you some omnipotent being that has the knowledge of what is objectively right/wrong thought?


Whatever you say.


Whatever helps you sleep at night.


Oh my! How careless of me to forget that SJWs always provide criticism and the ones debating them always throw insults.


I bet you are one of those who think that all men are potential rapists.


So a weeb is going to prove any generalizations, completely disposing the statistics?

FYI, your emotional bullshit is not the reality.


The fact that so many people are enforcing it doesn't prove anything, either.


Haha! Honestly I anticipated someone is going to spout this kikery anytime now.

So answer me this, good friend: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT RAPES HAPPENED WHEN THEY ACTUALLY ARE UNREPORTED?

Because I know from experience. Rape doesn't just affect the victim but the family. My mom was raped and she was scared to death to report it. When she finally did me dad and I couldn't believe the treatment she got by hospitals, police, and the judge.

Also a close female friend of mine got raped and killed. Can you guess why it wasn't reported?

I take a hard stance on this shit and with good reason so fly your "Matter of Fact" mentality TF outta here :stfu:

Yes I'm TRIGGERED!

 

[Dantе]

So you're claiming that men raping is inevitable biological factor in the world like obesity...? Your line of logic isn't exactly wrong- it's just completely missing the point by assuming that rape is natural and should be worked around rather than forced out.

Wait, are you implying that obesity is natural and inevitable?

Honest question- no sass or heavy engagement tonight, we're headed out. But isn't the notion of 'men can't control themselves' when presented with scantily-dressed women way more insulting?

Where did this come from?

Even on our campus, it comes down to 'don't drink drugged drinks' rather than 'Dont. DRUG. PEOPLE.' The lack of authority is underwhelming, misplaced and a little scary even for a guy.

Whatever, man. I'm just trying to say that the world isn't a safe space at all.
Shouting "Don't drug people" isn't gonna help you when the perpetrator drugs you... But taking precautions (as in "don't drink drugged drinks") can save you.

Yes dressing provocatively increases your chance of being raped in a rape culture

Loaded Question fallacy.

Because I know from experience. Rape doesn't just affect the victim but the family. My mom was raped and she was scared to death to report it. When she finally did me dad and I couldn't believe the treatment she got by hospitals, police, and the judge.

Also a close female friend of mine got raped and killed. Can you guess why it wasn't reported?

I take a hard stance on this shit and with good reason so fly your "Matter of Fact" mentality TF outta here

Yes I'm TRIGGERED!

Nice anecdote. But doesn't generalize anything.

As for your mum getting raped, I feel sorry for you.

 

[Xlad]

So a weeb is going to prove any generalizations, completely disposing the statistics?

FYI, your emotional bullshit is not the reality.

Is this nig serious? I am just speaking as a graduate student. I'm sure you know the reliability issues and bias behind news article.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Wait, are you implying that obesity is natural and inevitable?

Arguing within metaphors doesn't really get us anywhere but obesity comes more from neglect and self-defacement whilst sexual assault is...an unconsented attack that somebody else inflicts on you. You can take responsibility for getting fat or unhealthy but the notion of taking responsibility for being raped is gross.

Where did this come from?

It's basically the response to the 'she dressed provocatively and thus deserved it' or 'men can't help themselves' argument. I know that all men aren't cavemen who and going for one of those arguments (which you have, to a point) results in men being generalised as sexual predator cavemen who can't fight their instincts or understand 'no'. Something even a dog can understand. I know what insults me more anyway, because we're obviously above that and you know that from your own experience (I hope)

Whatever, man. I'm just trying to say that the world isn't a safe space at all.
Shouting "Don't drug people" isn't gonna help you when the perpetrator drugs you... But taking precautions (as in "don't drink drugged drinks") can save you.

You're right, that won't help you. That's what the entire justice system is for. The same court that let Turner out before our Summer was even over on account of it 'ruining his swimming career'. Here lies the problem and it's a huge ingrained societal problem, not some new feminazi agenda.

 

[Punk Hazard]

This man really tried to say not taking care of yourself is the same as being a victim of a crime. Wow.

 

[Avani 👑]

Nice arguments! You totally changed my mind

Was I suppose to? I don't do missionary work like that.

Oy Vey!

That use puts you back in the states with highest crime rate against women you know.

Here sometimes people blame it on jeans and other western clothing, sometimes on use of mobile, mannequin in the roadside showrooms, girl being out at night alone, girl being out at night with someone , girl having a BF, girl being drunk, girl's family pissing off someone and thus inviting that for their sister/daughter, girl being too beautiful, girl being too haughty, girl smiling, girl talking to someone outside her family ... list can be endless as absurd as it may sound. Ah I forgot- someone once blamed Chinese food.

Seems like your country is a nice place to visit.​

I think you live in my country only and in fact in the region where female foeticide is rampant and SJW are least of your worries.

Yes! I love my country!
And people (like you) who are hell bent on destroying the traditional culture should leave.
Just Saying.

Traditional culture? Which tradition? The Indus valley one? The Vedic one? Or the one that was brought in by invaders in different times?

Is it only thinking women that are destroying the traditional value in the land of Gargi and Matreyi or men who cannot even control themselves despite the tradition of "Sanyam" and Brahmcharya prescribed for them?

>male female ratio
And now are you sure you traced my IP correctly?
Did you actually trace my ISP's IP, my gateway or (one of my) dynamic IPs?

Does it even matter? Unless you belong to Kerala or Puducherry it's more or less the same story.

Did it matter what country I am from when you first brought it up?

Yes. And I covered it twice:

You pretended that you had no idea what I was referring to and tried to alienate yourself from it and divert the attention with of topic argument since. That was dishonest of you. There is no other word for it. Clearly you had no defense against such thought process that supports rapists and yet you continue.
The things that you mentioned are not ubiquitous. They happen rarely. Besides, the perpetrator is convicted of his crime.

^You acted as if the incidents I referred to originally were some alien concept to you and that's why the name of the country you were from, became important.

That should help you keep track of convo and not try amnesia in the same thread, hopefully.

The things that you mentioned are not ubiquitous. They happen rarely. Besides, the perpetrator is convicted of his crime.

It's a different story if you actually believe the rapist should be given a life sentence (unless the victim is a child).

You sure have never tried to find out how many cases even reach the trials, let alone conviction. Or how much trouble the victims and their family have to go though for it.

FONT=Georgia]1. I can't commit any fallacy against the rape victim because I am not debating him/her.
2. Questioning victim's conduct is not ad hominem. It is relevant to the case.[/FONT]

Yes you are debating her - instead of the criminal.

Nice cherrypicking.

Yes you have been trying that. I ended up collecting the whole convo to remind you how you have been ignoring actual questions. Like you haven't replied which tradition you were referring to when telling me to leave the country? Indus tradition, Vedic tradition or Invader tradition? And if country of Khajuraho cannot even question your personal idea of tradition?

Next time you try to throw tradition to me remember to add since when giving support to rapists became our culture?

But I think you are confused with my stance. I am no rape apologist. I believe rapist should get punished.

Really? then what's up with this quote below:

But just like being obese increases your chances of dying, so does dressing provocatively increases your chances of getting raped.
And just like dying because being obese is unfortunate, so is getting raped unfortunate.

You have repeated this argument over and over. It's a bullshit analogy unless you consider men to be brainless piece of meat unable to make conscious decisions and responses just like that diaphragm you mentioned earlier.

Besides you forget that women have been raped throughout the history regardless of what they wear and what was allowed length of skirt at the time.

It's just that you are just over-exaggerating the situation. You know how the false rape statistics go in our country? It's actually very high.
And per capita rape is actually very low here.

Per capita rape ( at least according to number of reported cases) is relatively low but exaggerating the situation and false cases? Please provide the links to actual stats from authentic sources to support that claim.

In the meanwhile try to figure out what's wrong in this picture:

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[YowYan]

YowYan: Telling someone to be safe is perpetuating rape culture? Just the same way as telling people to eat slow is perpetuating choking culture right? This argument falls flat on its face to assume people who do this even put the victim at blame and instead don't fully blame the rapist. In other words labelling something a factor doesn't mean your blaming anyone. This is no different then saying, take precaution when walking in the street when you have the right of way because people can still hit you due to the lack of care and then someone gets hit. That's not an automatic assumption that the person (s) conveying this is even blaming the victim of the accident.

ComplexCity:

Did you just say ''choking culture''? Yeah..I don't think you've fully grasped the concept of 'rape culture' as of yet. Not enough to form an opinion on it, at least. I don't argue with you on feminazis being a branch of feminism, but regarding the concept of 'rape culture' I suggest you stand corrected for now. Seeing you compared a traffic accident with rape offenses. You're comparing an accident..or a bad life choice (morbidly obesity) to rape..which is forced on another. Nobody forces you to over eat, choke on your food or to be in a car accident...need I say more?

Personal incredulity fallacy.
I never said I am a rape apologist.
Expecting women to dress moderately is not blaming them.

Or are you some omnipotent being that has the knowledge of what is objectively right/wrong thought?


Whatever you say.


Whatever helps you sleep at night.


Oh my! How careless of me to forget that SJWs always provide criticism and the ones debating them always throw insults.

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''Personal incredulity fallacy'' I mean..do you even understand the big words you use? You've already used 'ad hominem', 'rant' and other fancy words that would make you look smarter in the wrong contexts. I mean..bruh.

2. I never said you were a rape apologist, I said your view on this topic correlates with the excuses you'd hear from actual rape apologists. I'm sure you're a decent boy irl.

3. ''Expecting women to dress moderately in public is not blaming them''.

You've clearly stated you couldn't care less for sexually violated women that happened to dress slutty. There is something wrong with that. Ponder on it.

Common sense tells you no matter the way a woman (or man) dresses or behaves, rape is not to be indirectly accepted, desensitized and in many cases in oogabooga bare foot countries; praised as a means to teach women modesty.

4. As for your other arguments. Those are not arguments. You're just bouncing back the ball without trying.

 

[slimreaper]

Arguing within metaphors doesn't really get us anywhere but obesity comes more from neglect and self-defacement whilst sexual assault is...an unconsented attack that somebody else inflicts on you. You can take responsibility for getting fat or unhealthy but the notion of taking responsibility for being raped is gross.


It's basically the response to the 'she dressed provocatively and thus deserved it' or 'men can't help themselves' argument. I know that all men aren't cavemen who and going for one of those arguments (which you have, to a point) results in men being generalised as sexual predator cavemen who can't fight their instincts or understand 'no'. Something even a dog can understand. I know what insults me more anyway, because we're obviously above that and you know that from your own experience (I hope)



You're right, that won't help you. That's what the entire justice system is for. The same court that let Turner out before our Summer was even over on account of it 'ruining his swimming career'. Here lies the problem and it's a huge ingrained societal problem, not some new feminazi agenda.

dude was also heavily intoxicated... there goes some leniency. Dude is still a lifelong felon and a registered *** offender. That's worth more than any time in prison is.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

dude was also heavily intoxicated... there goes some leniency. Dude is still a lifelong felon and a registered *** offender. That's worth more than any time in prison is.

The only consequences the guy has had to face are protestors (everyday volunteers) outside his house and this disgusting injustice.

 

[The Necromancer]

dude was also heavily intoxicated... there goes some leniency. Dude is still a lifelong felon and a registered *** offender. That's worth more than any time in prison is.

What? No it sure as **** isn't. Are you ****ing serious?

 

[Dantе]

Is this nig serious? I am just speaking as a graduate student. I'm sure you know the reliability issues and bias behind news article.

So, if they don't fulfill the feminist agenda, they are biased?

Arguing within metaphors doesn't really get us anywhere but obesity comes more from neglect and self-defacement whilst sexual assault is...an unconsented attack that somebody else inflicts on you. You can take responsibility for getting fat or unhealthy but the notion of taking responsibility for being raped is gross.

Well, rape can also come from neglecting your outfit.
Just like taking responsibility of what you eat, you can also take responsibility of what you wear.

It's basically the response to the 'she dressed provocatively and thus deserved it' or 'men can't help themselves' argument. I know that all men aren't cavemen who and going for one of those arguments (which you have, to a point) results in men being generalised as sexual predator cavemen who can't fight their instincts or understand 'no'. Something even a dog can understand. I know what insults me more anyway, because we're obviously above that and you know that from your own experience (I hope)

>she dressed provocatively and thus deserved it
I never made this argument.
>men can't help themselves
I never said it's all men; just a tiny fraction. And denying this fact doesn't make it go away.

You're right, that won't help you. That's what the entire justice system is for. The same court that let Turner out before our Summer was even over on account of it 'ruining his swimming career'. Here lies the problem and it's a huge ingrained societal problem, not some new feminazi agenda.

Well, you can cry in the courts after getting raped, but I guess taking precautions against it is better option, IMO.
And why are you cherrypicking on Turner?

 

[Dantе]

That use puts you back in the states with highest crime rate against women you know.

Wait, what?

You acted as if the incidents I referred to originally were some alien concept to you and that's why the name of the country you were from, became important.

But stating that it was my country was not important. You are just abusing your powers and invading my privacy. This wouldn't be the case if it was a normal member, would it be?

You sure have never tried to find out how many cases even reach the trials, let alone conviction.

They must obviously be false allegations. The police are not that stupid. They are just trying to save the taxpayer's money.

Yes you are debating her - instead of the criminal.

Well, if the rape was real, there's no point debating the criminal. They go to jail.

Indus tradition, Vedic tradition or Invader tradition?

Anywhere from Vedic to post vedic to pre-invader. I don't really know the whole of nomenclature.

Next time you try to throw tradition to me remember to add since when giving support to rapists became our culture?

When did I support the rapist?

You have repeated this argument over and over. It's a bullshit analogy unless you consider men to be brainless piece of meat unable to make conscious decisions and responses just like that diaphragm you mentioned earlier.

It was just an analogy. You didn't actually comprehend with what I was trying to say. You just comprehended with it for your own liking.

And that quotes doesn't prove that I am a rape apologist though. Not even close.

But you are raining down on me when I didn't reply to one of your quotes; why did no one replied to this?

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Per capita rape ( at least according to number of reported cases) is relatively low but exaggerating the situation and false cases? Please provide the links to actual stats from authentic sources to support that claim.

"53.2 per cent rape cases filed between April 2013-July 2014 false"

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In the meanwhile try to figure out what's wrong in this picture

Ha! Why ask me? This is a typical feminist/SJW response. This is what you get when you let social media raise your kids.

''Personal incredulity fallacy'' I mean..do you even understand the big words you use?

You clearly didn't comprehend with my statement, smartass.

Common sense tells you no matter the way a woman (or man) dresses or behaves, rape is not to be indirectly accepted, desensitized and in many cases in oogabooga bare foot countries; praised as a means to teach women modesty.

You're just adding stuff on your own.
>praised as a means to teach women modesty
When did I say this was right?