My Favorite Thing About Rape Culture

[Xlad]

Wow, Kibouu as usual resorts to being a troll.

 

[slimreaper]

You know what the biggest problem with the "how was she dressed" thing? It implies that the way a woman was dressed left the rapist without any control to the point that they couldn't keep themselves from committing the rape.

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what lawyer can actually use this argument on it's own? It like provocation in a murder case, is only a supporting factor but never the entire argument

 

[Dizzldot]

I have standards.

got damn

 

[Sauce]

Banned lol /thread

 

[Avenge1]

Seems like you're starting shit on purpose :/

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Seems like you're starting shit on purpose :/

He strikes me as the kind that just likes to wind themselves up about things that piss them off.

He's adding nothing new to the debate and is just a troll.

 

[Dantе]

Addressing the latter part; that right there is shaming the victim. Come on now, let that brain of yours rattle for a bit. Do we really need To go in This part of the discussion? There is not a single good reason for a woman or man, To Be forced into a traumatizing experience. Looking attractive and flaunting it is not a good reason. Tame down that cave men logic.

Nice ad hominem.

There is a place and time for "looking attractive and flaunting it". Women can look good with clothes on too in a more moral way. Although I do condemn rape in any case whatsoever, I'm just saying that you can dress moderately just to be on the safe side because you can change clothes soon enough but not so with (prospective) rapists' psychology.

Either you're able to give consent or not. Getting shot is analogous to being raped because you can't give intent while drunk because it's a perpetrator knowingly taking advantage of your victim's vulnerability.

>knowingly
Wew lad. No one wants to bite the shit-sandwich on purpose.

While I think this should be rectified, it's convenient that you left this out:

"A 2009 study suggested the difference in sentencing might arise because 'judges treat women more leniently for practical reasons, such as their greater caretaking responsibility.'"

And? Do you think it's alright to do so? I wouldn't be surprised if you say yes. Your white knight aura has already manifested.

Statistics say that 85% of youths grow up with a father. What part of that says "Because women are single mothers, men go to jail"?

Are you trying to refer to this statistic: 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home

Because that's a spurious correlation, which means the relationship between the two variables is actually caused by a third or more unmentioned variables. There is also a correlation between fatherless homes and impoverished households/communities, which would explain why youths from those homes end up in jail because their impoverished conditions push them to a life of crime.

So you just proved my point.

Feminist rallying was a driving force behind the FBI definition of rape being changed so that men could be legally considered rape victims. Before that, the legal definition of rape excluded men as victims. There is no feminist rhetoric that says men can't be raped(and no, before you pull a BomplexBity, radicial feminism is separate from feminism).

>radicial feminism is separate from feminism
Yeah, and rape culture exists only among rapists, not in a society as a whole.

 

[Dantе]

Feminist: Someone who believes the sexes should be treated equally.

Then why call it feminism?
The name itself does not imply it has to do something with males in the first place.

 

[YowYan]

Nice ad hominem.

There is a place and time for "looking attractive and flaunting it". Women can look good with clothes on too in a more moral way. Although I do condemn rape in any case whatsoever, I'm just saying that you can dress moderately just to be on the safe side because you can change clothes soon enough but not so with (prospective) rapists' psychology.

At bold: Did you, by accident convey your true feelings towards this topic or are you just raging your response as fast as you can?

Assuming it was a typo; Sure, women can dress more moderately for their safety but then telling them they should do so is taking away the attention from the perpetrator to the victim. You have to address and condemn the perpetrators, not the victims. This is another reason why the term 'rape culture' stands. You're still pretty much blaming the victims. Widen that bubble of thought of yours so you'll grasp the concept.

The finest and shortest reponse to you would be Riker's post;

You know what the biggest problem with the "how was she dressed" thing? It implies that the way a woman was dressed left the rapist without any control to the point that they couldn't keep themselves from committing the rape.

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Then why call it feminism?
The name itself does not imply it has to do something with males in the first place.

On this, I fullheartedly agree with you. Which is why I stopped calling myself a feminist. The word itself makes me raise my eyebrows. Although it's origins are clear and made sense back then, nowadays it's just divisive.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

I have standards.

"amaterasu!"

 

[BlacLord™]

Then why call it feminism?
The name itself does not imply it has to do something with males in the first place.

Because it was born in a time where men held the monopoly in pretty much all areas of society, whereas females were powerless... thus feminism is the female rebellion against the traditional cultural order.

 

[Illuminater]

Rape Culture Does Not Exist.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Rape Culture Does Not Exist.

thank you for contributing to the online internet discussion

 

[Punk Hazard]

>knowingly
Wew lad. No one wants to bite the shit-sandwich on purpose.

And yet, people still do it all the time.

And? Do you think it's alright to do so? I wouldn't be surprised if you say yes. Your white knight aura has already manifested.

While I think this should be rectified, it's convenient that you left this out:

"A 2009 study suggested the difference in sentencing might arise because 'judges treat women more leniently for practical reasons, such as their greater caretaking responsibility.'"

While I think this should be rectified, it's convenient that you left this out:

While I think this should be rectified

There you go, buddy.

So you just proved my point.

No, I didn't. You're saying that living in a single-mother home causes people to end up going to jail. Which is false, because that's a spurious correlation, meaning two things:

1. They are just two variables in a correlation, and correlation does not mean causation.

2. It's a spurious correlation, meaning that there are more than just those two variables. Instead of being in a single mother home, an impoverished environment is more likely to be the reason.

>radicial feminism is separate from feminism
Yeah, and rape culture exists only among rapists, not in a society as a whole.

This isn't true. You don't have to be a rapist to trivialize and normalize rape.

Then why call it feminism?
The name itself does not imply it has to do something with males in the first place.

Because it originated at a time when women were in a lower social standing than men.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Hey, here's a fun thought. The literal existence of a 'rape culture' doesn't matter at all. It's irrelevant. What I do see is a number of men trying to downplay and invalidate the importance of sexual assault, victim blaming...perpetuating all this sh*t into a nice little toxic cycle.

Please answer me one thing, where is the harm in treating such a gross, personal crime more seriously? A crime that is completely commonplace in even the most casual, chill places in the world.

The two sides with this debate are rapists and non-rapists, not men VS women. I don't know how this got twisted into some hate attempt against 'the evil feminazi menace' this forum (and the gender-obsessed internet in general) seems to be so pissed at.

Psst guys, just like the OP- you're tormenting yourselves with this image of a person that doesn't really exist at all. The SJW is a creation of the internet and is almost non-existent in real life...and for those with real life experience? I think you know this. Both genders are at a playground level Boys VS Girls argument and it's immature and embarrassing. What does the real world has a lot of? Intolerance.

No matter your stance on this issue- you guys gotta sit back and wonder where this intolerance in you towards victims of crime is coming from.

 

[slimreaper]

Hey, here's a fun thought. The literal existence of a 'rape culture' doesn't matter at all. It's irrelevant. What I do see is a number of men trying to downplay and invalidate the importance of sexual assault, victim blaming...perpetuating all this sh*t into a nice little toxic cycle.

Please answer me one thing, where is the harm in treating such a gross, personal crime more seriously? A crime that is completely commonplace in even the most casual, chill places in the world.

The two sides with this debate are rapists and non-rapists, not men VS women. I don't know how this got twisted into some hate attempt against 'the evil feminazi menace' this forum (and the gender-obsessed internet in general) seems to be so pissed at.

Psst guys, just like the OP- you're tormenting yourselves with this image of a person that doesn't really exist at all. The SJW is a creation of the internet and is almost non-existent in real life...and for those with real life experience? I think you know this. Both genders are at a playground level Boys VS Girls argument and it's immature and embarrassing. What does the real world has a lot of? Intolerance.

No matter your stance on this issue- you guys gotta sit back and wonder where this intolerance in you towards victims of crime is coming from.

now go watch fantastic lies on netflix. It's a documentary about the false accusation made against the duke lacrosse team. Watch and you'll see that sjw's are in fact real

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

1. There's nothing wrong with telling women to be careful in places that might lead to rape, in fact, it's what should be happening. For example, parties: dumb ass college boys go to get laid at times, and when you mix things like drugs and alcohol, consent won't be on their mind at times. It's also the place where the scum of society like to be at. It isn't wise to get drunk and become vulnerable in places like these especially when you dress in ways where these rapists 'think you're asking for it'. Of course, they aren't asking for it but not locking your door is not asking to get robbed either, saying this is not blaming the victim, it's using common sense to prevent more victims. If someone does get raped, they should have our support, and the criminal should be put to justice, but this is the case aside from trolls on the internet.

2. Just because the court system fails in some cases, does not mean it always does, nor does it reflect our culture. Look at the public outcry of the Brock Turner case. The judge may have been a corrupt person but the public has probably made sure this guy regrets what he did similar to how being locked up would.

3. The courts have left some victims unable to find justice, but it has also put innocent people in jail for rape as well so it's kind of hypocritical to focus on one and say we have a rape issue.

 

[Dantе]

Spoiler

At bold: Did you, by accident convey your true feelings towards this topic or are you just raging your response as fast as you can?

Assuming it was a typo; Sure, women can dress more moderately for their safety but then telling them they should do so is taking away the attention from the perpetrator to the victim. You have to address and condemn the perpetrators, not the victims. This is another reason why the term 'rape culture' stands. You're still pretty much blaming the victims. Widen that bubble of thought of yours so you'll grasp the concept.

The finest and shortest reponse to you would be Riker's post;





On this, I fullheartedly agree with you. Which is why I stopped calling myself a feminist. The word itself makes me raise my eyebrows. Although it's origins are clear and made sense back then, nowadays it's just divisive.

Prevention is better than cure. Like I said before, it's easier to put some clothes on than to change the prospective rapist's psychology.
On the side note, dressing slutty in some social settings is actually rude to some people. ​

Because it was born in a time where men held the monopoly in pretty much all areas of society, whereas females were powerless... thus feminism is the female rebellion against the traditional cultural order.

But things have changed, why not change the name then?

BTW, females were much happier in the traditional culture.​

 

[Dantе]

And yet, people still do it all the time.

The burden of proof is on you. You can't prove if people do it knowingly.​

No, I didn't. You're saying that living in a single-mother home causes people to end up going to jail. Which is false, because that's a spurious correlation, meaning two things:

1. They are just two variables in a correlation, and correlation does not mean causation.

2. It's a spurious correlation, meaning that there are more than just those two variables. Instead of being in a single mother home, an impoverished environment is more likely to be the reason.

That impoverished environment is ubiquitous in single motherhood. So single motherhood is perhaps one of the causes of that impoverished environment.

You would be one of those people that would claim that cigarettes don't cause lung cancer when the conclusion first came out.​

This isn't true. You don't have to be a rapist to trivialize and normalize rape.

I was just implying that just like radical feminism is a subset of feminism, rape culture is a small subset of the whole culture. It's so insignificant that you cannot generalize the whole culture on it.​

Because it originated at a time when women were in a lower social standing than men.

But things have changed, why not change the name then?

​

 

[Dantе]

A crime that is completely commonplace in even the most casual, chill places in the world.

Imma need some statistics on that.​

The two sides with this debate are rapists and non-rapists, not men VS women.[/b] I don't know how this got twisted into some hate attempt against 'the evil feminazi menace' this forum (and the gender-obsessed internet in general) seems to be so pissed at.

Psst guys, just like the OP- you're tormenting yourselves with this image of a person that doesn't really exist at all. The SJW is a creation of the internet and is almost non-existent in real life...and for those with real life experience? I think you know this. Both genders are at a playground level Boys VS Girls argument and it's immature and embarrassing. What does the real world has a lot of? Intolerance.

No matter your stance on this issue- you guys gotta sit back and wonder where this intolerance in you towards victims of crime is coming from.

Now you're just portraying Emma Watson.

You SJWs have no quantifiable metrics for injustice, so you have no victory conditions (for a very simplified example, when blacks hold X% of all engineering jobs and are only Y% of all prisoners, racism has ended). That would be fine by itself, but you believe in fighting injustice with injustice (gays have historically been denied gay marriage? Let's get some random CEO fired for opinions they held years ago.) You don't seek converts, you seek to punish and bully - those who disagree with you must be purged and publicly humiliated. Even the ****ing jihadists will spare you if you convert; no apology or future correction will satisfy a SJW.

I could forgive that too if you weren't all hypocrites and liars. Your treatment of women and minority dissenters is appalling; if they don't want you acting on their behalf, that's their choice, not "internalized patriarchy" or whatever. You rob them of moral agency. When called out for these behaviors (as you always insist on calling out others), you lie. You strawman your opponents (criticized a women? Misogynist!), you group them with the worst (you're a cis male? You're as bad as the rape apologists!) and when confronted with your own flaws, you restate them less threateningly. You publish manipulated and misleading statistics (1 out of 6 girls get raped in college campuses), then lambast anyone who questions them.

You want to disband and threaten the religious groups. You want to destroy cultures by labelling every thing that is traditional as patriarcy. You want to shove your ideals down everyone's throats even if they want to disagree with you.

Can you tell me where is the justice in this?​