My Favorite Thing About Rape Culture

[slimreaper]

I didn't say they were, and no, radical feminism is separate.





So you have no answer then?

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[ComplexCity]

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Guess Milo really is the feminist slayer

 

[YowYan]

Thought you meant the whole thing. To respond to your post as short as I can, just because it is something that a few individuals do (such as in the minority) doesn't mean we can label it a culture. The same way we cannot say America is a Spanish culture despite having many factors that would make it a spanish culture. When I said no one, I should have said minorities do it

Yeah, I only addressed the latter part of your post. I'm not arguing the part about rape 'culture' as I do not have an opinion on it.

 

[ComplexCity]

Here waiting for Riker to logically reply to the all the post like

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[Kishi Uzumaki]

That's not a part of rape culture...

Ah ! sorry about that failed to get my point across sufficiently more i tried to correct it. it became more complicated

i was just answering quote op posted i was saying that it's a false logic .

 

[ComplexCity]

Ah ! sorry about that failed to get my point across sufficiently more i tried to correct it. it became more complicated

i was just answering quote op posted i was saying that it's a false logic .

Just like rape culture in America hyuck hyuck

 

[Punk Hazard]

For starters, you're citing Wikipedia as your source, when in an academia, citing Wikipedia as a source is unreliable and avoided; I've been taught this since middle school. The only other place the wiki's definition coincides with an already existing definition of rape culture is in third wave feminist blogs and articles.

But why is it that third wave feminist's definition of rape culture no longer defines rape culture as a "culture", but as a "setting" or "environment" when compared to second wave feminist's original definition of rape culture, which is used in a vast majority of scholarly journals, that defines rape culture as a "culture", "society", or "societal influence"?

Because it's inaccurate to attribute "rape culture" to American culture as a whole. Movements and belief systems are updated all the time as time goes on to improve them. "Rape culture" going from a term to describe American culture as a whole to describing specific phenomenon that is acknowledged as separate from overall culture is a progress.

Why is it when women's right activist fight against so called rape culture, that they do not target the individual microaggression's that they claim to be defined as rape culture, but try to hold American culture, the media, and society as a whole accountable for rape culture?

See what I mean? First criticize the concept of rape culture shifting from wrongfully being applied to culture as a whole, and then in the same breath you criticize the concept of it being applied to culture as a whole. Everyone who has said rape culture is real in this thread is targeting the microaggressions, not American culture as a whole.

There are cultural and societal backgrounds that can be linked to the concept of rape culture, yes, but that does not mean that American culture is directly the cause for rape culture, nor is anyone here making that claim. Google "Examples of rape culture" and you'll find article after article listing these microaggressions as examples, but not American society and culture as a whole.

This is a simple case of "moving the goal post" fallacy. My problem with your argument is that you base it upon a faulty definition of rape culture.

The definition of rape culture changing overtime does not inherently make it faulty, as you are trying to claim. The change that resulted in the current definition of rape culture makes it more accurate and valid now than when it was first coined. Targeting an old definition and the fact that it changed=/=invalidating the current definition.

Re- read what I said. Rape culture hinges that these things mentioned are done by a majority of people in society

Your source on this? Link to a post where anyone in this thread said this?

Riker's logic


- Rape is a phenomon in our culture (even though it isn't it's own culture)[/QUOTE]

Are you saying that in order for something to exist in American society as a phenomenon, it has to be its own culture?

- Feminist coined rape culture (unrelated to what a culture is because feminist like making their own words or phrases)

This isn't the first time this has been done in linguistics. Examples include Winston Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech, Theodore Roosevelt's "Square Deal," Herbert Spencer referring to society as a "biological organism," or even concepts in sociology like "functions" and "dysfunctions." People twist words and use them without their actual meaning all the time.

Spanish Culture


- Spanish people are a phenomenon in an English speaking society
- There are several factors that can represent the same argument being made for rape culture
- You deny it because you're taking culture at face value

Not a valid argument because no one but you is likening "rape culture" to an actual culture. Everyone you're arguing against have already acknowledged that "rape culture" doesn't apply to the entirety of American culture, so your "Spanish culture" argument no longer holds any merit.

"Calling college students who have the courage to report their rapes liars." is counted as a part of rape culture despite several cases of people lying about rape.

This specific case you bring up is referred to as rape culture when people call those reporting their rapes liars without any proof that they're actually lying. When you generalize all people who are reporting rapes as liars because a portion of that population is lying about it, you discourage people from reporting rapes. When you discourage people from reporting rapes, more rapists get away with the crime, incentivizing them to commit the crimes again, or others to commit it themselves.

When a particular attitude normalizes rape such as in the above example, then yes, it's rape culture. There's nothing wrong with being skeptical with rape allegations and approaching them thoroughly to determine the truth, but immediately labeling any person reporting a rape as a liar is not the same thing as being skeptical and thorough.

Yet this has been deemed a part of rape culture by other feminist and because you say it's not normalizing it, then it must be true. I don't see this happening on a scale of a "culture." Some people who ask this question (such as prosecutes and defense attorney)

Allow me to rephrase: Normalizing and trivializing rape does not mean only to glorify it. Glorifying rape or a rapist is ONE form of rape culture, but it's not the ONLY way to normalize or trivialize rape culture. That is what I was trying to convey to you, since your argument hinged on glorifying a rapist being the only possible form of rape culture.

You're taking a word a twisting it to fit your narrative. Don't see how you don't see the logic in that. That's like me taking the color red and start a movement of all blue and then say

Hurr durr: It doesn't matter what the dictionary says, this is the red movement of all of us wearing blue because I say so. It doesn't matter what the description, defintion or factual information we have on the color red. I made it so that's that.

Like I said before, this doesn't prove that rape culture doesn't exist, this is an argument for why the term "rape culture" is inappropriate. If you started this "blue movement" and named it the "Red Movement," then I wouldn't be able to say the movement doesn't exist, even though I can say the title of the movement doesn't fit. That's what you're trying to do here.

"(of a man) insert the penis into the vagina or anus of (a sexual partner)."

Will agree with this part though since idk how the legal preceding go

That's not what it means. It doesn't say that the rapist must commit penetration, it says penetration must occur without consent of the victim. If a woman rapes a man, there is penetration without consent.

Where is your evidence that he did it?

His confession where he says "I'm automatically attracted to beautiful. I don't wait, I just kiss them."

Now it's up to you to prove that he did in actually do it. Because I've a friend that said she sucked D*** but admitted to being a virgin

Your friend lying invalidates any and all confessions?

And what is that a subset of Riker?

Extremism.

Its illogical to label the acts of an individual as a staple of a collective unless there is some form of group mentality behind those actions.

And what collection/group did I specify that this is a staple of?

Your argument is based off a preconceived falsehood that has no basis, which is third wave feminism's definition of rape culture. From there, you go on spouting that rape culture exists based on the examples third wave feminists use to define rape culture, which sends everyone in a loop trying to debate your faulty points. You're a sham.

Because the definition changed over time. First and second wave feminists don't exist anymore, so if third-wave feminsts say "We've reviewed this term that originated with feminism and found it invalid, so we amended it," then that's the definition.

Because you say so?

It's not separate, it's a subset of feminism. Let me bring the facts like I always have to do

"The no true scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in order to prevent the refutation of one’s position. Proposed counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely because they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the theory is about."

"The No True Scotsman fallacy involves discounting evidence that would refute a proposition, concluding that it hasn’t been falsified when in fact it has.
If Angus, a Glaswegian, who puts sugar on his porridge, is proposed as a counter-example to the claim “No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge”, the ‘No true Scotsman’ fallacy would run as follows:
(1) Angus puts sugar on his porridge.
(2) No (true) Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.
Therefore:
(3) Angus is not a (true) Scotsman.
Therefore:
(4) Angus is not a counter-example to the claim that no Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

The No-Scotsman Fallacy doesn't apply to this conversation of ours about feminism. This fallacy refers to when one makes a universal claim about a subject, and then when someone points out an example of this subject that violates this claim, the person making the universal claim alters the standards of the subject to exclude the example showing the opposite.

I never changed the standards of what defines a feminist. By your logic, radical Islam is the same as normal Islam and the two can't be differentiated from each other because "No true scotsman."

Thought you meant the whole thing. To respond to your post as short as I can, just because it is something that a few individuals do (such as in the minority) doesn't mean we can label it a culture.

You're the only one who still thinks it's a being labeled a culture.

 

[ComplexCity]

Your source on this? Link to a post where anyone in this thread said this?

Include everything I said before you comment

Are you saying that in order for something to exist in American society as a phenomenon, it has to be its own culture?

Rape exist, it's already been given a term.

This isn't the first time this has been done in linguistics. Examples include Winston Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech, Theodore Roosevelt's "Square Deal," Herbert Spencer referring to society as a "biological organism," or even concepts in sociology like "functions" and "dysfunctions." People twist words and use them without their actual meaning all the time.

Pretty sure Theodore Roosevelt had authority over the nation, Herbert Spencer was a scientist which gave him the merit. Even so, these phrases don't directly ignore one of the words definitions used to describe the way people live in operate to suit the narrative a group with no authority is trying to enforce across a nation(s) (around the globe)

Accept nobody reputable is backing rape culture but feminist. Still waiting for you to source studies of this being excepted by unbias people that aren't feminist.

Not a valid argument because no one but you is likening "rape culture" to an actual culture. Everyone you're arguing against have already acknowledged that "rape culture" doesn't apply to the entirety of American culture, so your "Spanish culture" argument no longer holds any merit.

Because Riker said so :lol
I just told you I'm using your logic so apparently you are trying to make rape culture into it's own culture. There is nothing you can say to distinct the two. Whatever way you spin, whether it's the imaginary term culture or the actual term, we live in Spanish culture. I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated.

This specific case you bring up is referred to as rape culture when people call those reporting their rapes liars without any proof that they're actually lying. When you generalize all people who are reporting rapes as liars because a portion of that population is lying about it, you discourage people from reporting rapes. When you discourage people from reporting rapes, more rapists get away with the crime, incentivizing them to commit the crimes again, or others to commit it themselves.

This doesn't prove rape culture this is no different then people condemning people who have been accused of different crimes from doing those crimes discouraging them from doing whatever got them into that position anyway (whatever it may be)

When a particular attitude normalizes rape such as in the above example, then yes, it's rape culture. There's nothing wrong with being skeptical with rape allegations and approaching them thoroughly to determine the truth, but immediately labeling any person reporting a rape as a liar is not the same thing as being skeptical and thorough.

Except you have to prove that the general masses condemns people as liars and rapist

Allow me to rephrase: Normalizing and trivializing rape does not mean only to glorify it. Glorifying rape or a rapist is ONE form of rape culture, but it's not the ONLY way to normalize or trivialize rape culture. That is what I was trying to convey to you, since your argument hinged on glorifying a rapist being the only possible form of rape culture.

I don't know why you like parroting your stances when I know good and well what you're talking about and how you always have to try and look down on someone when people think you're an idiot when it comes to these type of discussions. My argument hinges on that it doesn't exist. When something is glorified, it can be looked as something that is normal that has been transcend superfluously. I know what you're saying and it just isn't the case sorry

Like I said before, this doesn't prove that rape culture doesn't exist, this is an argument for why the term "rape culture" is inappropriate. If you started this "blue movement" and named it the "Red Movement," then I wouldn't be able to say the movement doesn't exist, even though I can say the title of the movement doesn't fit. That's what you're trying to do here.

Funny, you do this with feminazi's all the time, yet wanna say that rape culture is not a culture. What did Fiji say? Moving the goal post....

The sooner you agree we live in a Spanish culture going off your logic, the sooner we can proceed to a real debate. You're not saying anything that has already been refuted and you have yet to back your claims with anything credible. Instead, you're using terms from feminist academia (3rd wave feminism).

That's not what it means. It doesn't say that the rapist must commit penetration, it says penetration must occur without consent of the victim. If a woman rapes a man, there is penetration without consent.

Retard. I said I agree, why are you still debating this point?

His confession where he says "I'm automatically attracted to beautiful. I don't wait, I just kiss them."

It wasn't a confession, it's something he said. There are people who say they killed someone at a murder scene and will have evidence from the person who said it at the crime scene yet still won't be guilty because someone else did it. Again, where is your evidence that indicates he irrefutably did it?

Your friend lying invalidates any and all confessions?

It shows that people do talk just to talk and proves nothing without concrete irrefutable evidence

Extremism.

I refer you back to the No Scottsman who are you to say they aren't feminism because it doesn't fit your narrative?

The No-Scotsman Fallacy doesn't apply to this conversation of ours about feminism. This fallacy refers to when one makes a universal claim about a subject, and then when someone points out an example of this subject that violates this claim, the person making the universal claim alters the standards of the subject to exclude the example showing the opposite.

That's exactly what you did, several times in our debates, just because I haven't said it here doesn't mean it was never said by you, you always commit this fallacy whenever I bring up feminazi's disregarding their actions in the name of feminism because their ideals don't fit your narrative

I never changed the standards of what defines a feminist. By your logic, radical Islam is the same as normal Islam and the two can't be differentiated from each other because "No true scotsman."

You didn't? You said they are radicals, therefore dismissing them from them what it is for them to be a feminist. Are you srsly this retarded that you cannot see that you've put feminist in their own group? Where is the origin of radical Islam? Islam. Where do people get their views and morals from Islam? Are they Islamist? Yes. Are they hypocrites to their own religion? Yes. That fact they believe in equality of the sexes is what makes them feminist. Are Christians that sin not Christians?

There is no committee that decides who does and doesn't become a feminist seeing as how there are different sects of feminism that has to have a person to believe. I could be a feminist if I wanted to just because I believe in equality according to the feminist of today. Who are you to tell me that I am not what I identify as? This is no different from me telling a trans male to female that they are biologically a man even though they feel as though they are male

You're the only one who still thinks it's a being labeled a culture.

Illerate cognitive dissonance yet again, I said for the sake of the example (until you disprove we don't live in a Spanish culture without betraying your logic) then I set aside that view. You don't read Hellen Keller

 

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You said Dylan Roof, did you mean Brock Turner? Roof was the guy who shot up a black church.

Thaaaat's the one.

 

[Dantе]

The stats for gender pay gap are very easy to find.

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And then there's the glass ceiling...

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Gender wage gap myth has been busted over and over again. The study done by the organization didn't take into account the number of hours they work, their job choices etc. It was just average of what total women earned to total men.​

How so? What is your argument to back up that none of those examples are attempts to reduce the severity of rape or to take away blame from the perpetrators?

There was no rape in the first place.​

I agree. This is why if I set you on fire, you're to blame for wearing flammable clothing, right? Or I shoot you, it's your fault for not wearing bulletproof body armor, correct? Or I kidnapped your child, it's your fault for not reinforcing your home enough to prevent me from getting in and out?

I was saying in this context:

If both are not sober?​

The things you mentioned are done deliberately by an individual, on the other hand, having *** with a drunken person is not always deliberate.

Also, I cannot control the factors related to what you said. But I sure can control the extent to which I get intoxicated.​

The person who made the rape allegation should face legal repercussions and the player should be compensated for the damages the false allegation caused him if the person that made the allegations did so knowing he didn't rape them.

Yeah, but that women didn't face any charges. The player's career is ruined.
Even if that women was prosecuted for the false allegations, she would have been punished 1/3 of what a man would be punished for if he's done the same.​

Please elaborate on this, I can't wait to hear how being a single mother causes men to be arrested.

"85% of youths grew up in fatherless homes"

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Which is an example of rape culture that I myself listed.

But according to the definition, men can hardly get charged with rape crimes.​

 

[Dantе]

Sadly, I've met several Men that glorified rape and not in a joking manner.


And if not glorifying rape, they'll definitely objectify women. It's a norm. Always has been. Name me one guy You personally know that has been gangraped by women after being drugged. I can name You a handful of women that I know personally that went Through Just that.


I agree, It's disgusting how some females use this fact in their benefit by lying about being harrassed by a male. Those women are beyond shameful. Especially when You think of the ones that actually suffer every moment of the day for the rest of their shit lives, the ones that actually have been abused and worse, that haven't received justice. It's a huge slap in the face for them.

Nice anecdote, but doesn't mean it's true in general.

(Some) men objectify women because women behave like that. You dress like a slut, you get treated like a slut.

Doesn't the crowd expect you to perform when you walk in the circus in the outfit of a clown?​

 

[YowYan]

Nice anecdote, but doesn't mean it's true in general.

(Some) men objectify women because women behave like that. You dress like a slut, you get treated like a slut.

Doesn't the crowd expect you to perform when you walk in the circus in the outfit of a clown?​

Slutty looks and behaviour or not, they'll get objectified regardless. It's an eyesore To See my fellow Men address any woman aside of their relatives as '*****es' or '*****'. For the ones that do dress and behave slutty, fair enough. You're asking for attention. But then there are those degenerate cave Men, some fueled by religious crap, that justify rape. As these women would be 'asking for it'. You'd be shocked To know how many Men think that way.

 

[Punk Hazard]

There was no rape in the first place.​

1. At least two of the examples I've listed in this thread involved people that were charged as guilty of rape, so in at least two of them, a rape did take place. On the other hand, in one of the examples, a man confessed that he has committed sexual assault, enjoys committing sexual assault, and that he was more than likely going to commit it again that very day.

2. Actions and attitudes don't need to be in regards to a specific, existent case of rape to be classified as rape culture. Rape culture can occur either in regards to a rape case that has happened OR in regards to the concept of rape.

I was saying in this context:
The things you mentioned are done deliberately by an individual, on the other hand, having *** with a drunken person is not always deliberate.

Also, I cannot control the factors related to what you said. But I sure can control the extent to which I get intoxicated.​

You are definitely able to control whether you wear flammable clothing, or bulletproof armor, or how secure your house is.

Good for you, I'm saying in the context of a sober person attempting to have *** with a person they know is drunk. I've already addressed the context you are talking about with a different viewpoint, so it has no bearings on my viewpoint towards the concept I just specified.

Yeah, but that women didn't face any charges. The player's career is ruined.
Even if that women was prosecuted for the false allegations, she would have been punished 1/3 of what a man would be punished for if he's done the same.​

@Bold: That isn't what you asked me. I can't change what happened, nor did you ask me what happened. You asked me what SHOULD happen in this general case, and that's what I answered. That woman should face legal repercussions, and that player should be compensated. It's a shame that he isn't.

@the rest: I suppose then you have records of men who were charged with making false rape allegations and the records shows that they received 3 times more punishment than women who have?

"85% of youths grew up in fatherless homes"

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This doesn't prove what you're saying. You're saying that a woman being a single mother is the cause of men being in jail. How is this correlation caused? Simply listing a stat that 85% of youths grew up in fatherless homes isn't proof that men go to jail because of single mothers.

But according to the definition, men can hardly get charged with rape crimes.​

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What part of the definition dictates this? Bear in mind that rape culture includes attitudes that shame and joke about male victims of rape rather than help them as one would help a female victim.

 

[Dantе]

Slutty looks and behaviour or not, they'll get objectified regardless. It's an eyesore To See my fellow Men address any woman aside of their relatives as '*****es' or '*****'.

Non-sluts don't get objectified in general.
Again, your anecdotes don't count. Many men don't address women as *****es or sluts.​

For the ones that do dress and behave slutty, fair enough. You're asking for attention. But then there are those degenerate cave Men, some fueled by religious crap, that justify rape. As these women would be 'asking for it'. You'd be shocked To know how many Men think that way.

You wanna play with fire and expect not to get burnt?​

You are definitely able to control whether you wear flammable clothing, or bulletproof armor, or how secure your house is.

Good for you, I'm saying in the context of a sober person attempting to have *** with a person they know is drunk. I've already addressed the context you are talking about with a different viewpoint, so it has no bearings on my viewpoint towards the concept I just specified.

But, for example, you getting shot. It's black and white. Either you get shot or not.
Not so with the issue we are talking about. You yourself addressed a grey area in this context.

And your analogues are not correct. Getting "raped" while drunk is not analogous to being shot. On the other hand, getting raped while sober (without his/her fault) can be somewhat analogous to it.​

@the rest: I suppose then you have records of men who were charged with making false rape allegations and the records shows that they received 3 times more punishment than women who have?

Your liberal blindfold is separating you from reality.

"Men Sentenced To Longer Prison Terms Than Women For Same Crimes, Study Says"

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This doesn't prove what you're saying. You're saying that a woman being a single mother is the cause of men being in jail. How is this correlation caused? Simply listing a stat that 85% of youths grew up in fatherless homes isn't proof that men go to jail because of single mothers.

Now, let's not play dumb. This is what the statistics say, I don't know how can you deny it. It's direct/indirect relation and causation. This is actually the same method we used to deduce that cigarettes causes lung cancer when it was first revealed, IIRC.​

What part of the definition dictates this? Bear in mind that rape culture includes attitudes that shame and joke about male victims of rape rather than help them as one would help a female victim.

But according to the feminists, men can't get raped.​

 

[YowYan]

Non-sluts don't get objectified in general.
Again, your anecdotes don't count. Many men don't address women as *****es or sluts.​

You wanna play with fire and expect not to get burnt?[/]


And yet, many do.

Addressing the latter part; that right there is shaming the victim. Come on now, let that brain of yours rattle for a bit. Do we really need To go in This part of the discussion? There is not a single good reason for a woman or man, To Be forced into a traumatizing experience. Looking attractive and flaunting it is not a good reason. Tame down that cave men logic.​

 

[Punk Hazard]

But, for example, you getting shot. It's black and white. Either you get shot or not.
Not so with the issue we are talking about. You yourself addressed a grey area in this context.

And your analogues are not correct. Getting "raped" while drunk is not analogous to being shot. On the other hand, getting raped while sober (without his/her fault) can be somewhat analogous to it.​

Either you're able to give consent or not. Getting shot is analogous to being raped because you can't give intent while drunk because it's a perpetrator knowingly taking advantage of your victim's vulnerability.

Your liberal blindfold is separating you from reality.

"Men Sentenced To Longer Prison Terms Than Women For Same Crimes, Study Says"

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While I think this should be rectified, it's convenient that you left this out:

"A 2009 study suggested the difference in sentencing might arise because 'judges treat women more leniently for practical reasons, such as their greater caretaking responsibility.'"

Now, let's not play dumb. This is what the statistics say, I don't know how can you deny it. It's direct/indirect relation and causation. This is actually the same method we used to deduce that cigarettes causes lung cancer when it was first revealed, IIRC.​

Statistics say that 85% of youths grow up with a father. What part of that says "Because women are single mothers, men go to jail"?

@Bold: Have you ever taken a rudimentary psychology, sociology, or science course? Cuz the first thing they stress to you when talking about correlations is that they do NOT mean causation. 85% of mothers being single DOES NOT cause men to go to jail. Once again, it's up to you to explain how one of those causes the other.

Are you trying to refer to this statistic: 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home

Because that's a spurious correlation, which means the relationship between the two variables is actually caused by a third or more unmentioned variables. There is also a correlation between fatherless homes and impoverished households/communities, which would explain why youths from those homes end up in jail because their impoverished conditions push them to a life of crime.

But according to the feminists, men can't get raped.​

Feminist rallying was a driving force behind the FBI definition of rape being changed so that men could be legally considered rape victims. Before that, the legal definition of rape excluded men as victims. There is no feminist rhetoric that says men can't be raped(and no, before you pull a BomplexBity, radicial feminism is separate from feminism).

 

[ComplexCity]

(and no, before you pull a BomplexBity, radicial feminism is separate from feminism).

Seems like you haven't disproven what I said yet slandering my name. Typical Riker, gets defeated and walks away shouting ad hominems like a child :lol


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[Punk Hazard]

Seems like you haven't disproven what I said yet slandering my name. Typical Riker, gets defeated and walks away shouting ad hominems like a child :lol


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Our argument has been the same thing being said over and over. I'm not gonna reply to arguments I've already refuted.

 

[ComplexCity]

Our argument has been the same thing being said over and over. I'm not gonna reply to arguments I've already refuted.

Except you haven't you refuted anything???


All you did is repeat what you said prior too your arguments being shat on. You didn't disprove the feminist thing like you never do


Funny how I just talked with a few feminists who said rape culture is a part of American culture, but by your logic they're not true feminist because like I said, feminist can't agree on anything


But you must be the right one though

 

[Punk Hazard]

Except you haven't you refuted anything???

Says you.

Funny how I just talked with a few feminists who said rape culture is a part of American culture, but by your logic they're not true feminist because like I said, feminist can't agree on anything

Definition of rape culture has always been debated and a source of conflicting views, including the argument that it's a product of certain aspects of American culture(You know American culture started as a patriarchy right? That being the aspect that is argued to lead to rape culture in this case). Even what you claim those feminists you probably made up said isn't the same as saying that rape culture IS American culture.