4 tail Naruto vs Hebi Sasuke

[KidGamer65]

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Sorry pal. It's a FACT. That BD can be swallowed and fired or simply fired. End of story. You crying about how it didn't happen isn't an argument when the statement "it didn't happen" isn't based on anything else that actually makes sense.

No Jiraiya fire didn't help Manda escape with their knowledge. Manda's body will be on the ground which means he can slip out of his body right into the ground similar to what

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. Manda doesn't need a distraction or nothing to cover it when it can slip through it's skin and proceed to go underground just like that. The illiterate 4tailed Naruto would just send a Bijuudama towards the still skin.[/FONT]

The first statement isn't an argument, it's a statement. A false one at that.

What Sasuke did was Oral Rebirth and he was only able to do that because of the technique allowing him to slip out in a goo like form. Do you even know how snakes shed their skin? Cause you sound extremely stupid saying he'll burrow out of his skin directly into the ground and you sound even more stupid saying

Garbage argument.

The Bijuudama power is dependent on the amount of chakra being used by the Bijuu or cloak being presented. Obviously the 4tails Naruto Bijuudama would take away the same amount chakra according the it's proportion that it's given.

Which doesn't matter. There is no reason to give KN4 a feat to use multiple Bijuu Dama when he doesn't have the power to do so nor does anything imply he has the power to do so. All your idiotic babbling about percentages is wrong.

Except your wrong here also. 4tails showed that it absolutely needs to swallow it's Bijuudama to use it.

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while using a Bijuudama should let you know it's control over using one isn't as potent as the six tails why can't you understand this? It didn't fire a beam Bijuudama that was a ball Bijuudama clearly.

Bijuu Dama can be factually used as a beam or a ball. There is nothing more to discuss here. And please stop being an idiot.

-BD is fired as a ball.
-BD is swallowed and then fired as a beam or a wave. Naruto obviously didn't fire his BD as a ball otherwise you would've seen the ball fire at Orochimaru.

Manda feats of undeground swimming is more impressive than Orochimaru and even if you argue that it's not you can't prove that it's slower either. Which would mean there on the same level and that would mean that he gets ate By Manda once he emerges since he'll emerge and surprise him the exact same manor that Orochimaru did.

Based on what is Manda's attack going to be quicker than Orochimaru's? If you aren't going to support that statement with feats then stop posting. End of story. Me not being able to disprove your claim is irrelevant when you can't even support your dumbass claim. Learn how to debate kiddo.

Manda initial tail was a distraction you fool. Manda made the dirt trail in the ground for them to focus their attention on that while he stuck up a ate them from the behide. This is obvious because Manda head pasted them underground without making the same dirt trail towards them. Don't try and say that the dirt trail was from Manda's head either when

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Lmao you sound stupid as all hell. Why would he purposely make himself be seen when he could approach undetected negating the need for that attack. Jiraiya and Bunta saw them coming. The fact that the tail was a feint doesn't matter. He saw them coming so why would KN4 not see him coming when he has ZERO cover.

:lol

Couldn't react to Orochimaru surprise attack but he's reacting to Manda's? He dodges? 4tailed Naruto didn't attempt to dodge anything the entire fight it won't change it's beastly attitude now.

You've yet to prove that Manda can blitz him or even launch a successful surprise attack. You've yet to prove anything you are saying so get at me when you can type something worth responding to.

If im correct weren't you the same person claiming the other Bijuu couldn't use a Bijuudama barrage? Don't make me do my research.

They can't. Lmao nothing I said here implies otherwise, but you can't read so this isn't surprising.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao dumbest thing I've read in a while.

BD is charged as a ball. Next steps are either:

1. Fire it.

Or

1. Swallow it.
2. Then fire it.

KN4 can't fire his BD as a ball but he can fire it after he's done extra work? What? :lol

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Sorry pal. It's a FACT. That BD can be swallowed and fired or simply fired. End of story. You crying about how it didn't happen isn't an argument when the statement "it didn't happen" isn't based on anything else that actually makes sense.

Sorry pal but the 4tails is only limited to that feats it's shown drop your fanfic or quit debating it's that simple.

The first statement isn't an argument, it's a statement. A false one at that.
What Sasuke did was Oral Rebirth and he was only able to do that because of the technique allowing him to slip out in a goo like form. Do you even know how snakes shed their skin? Cause you sound extremely stupid saying he'll burrow out of his skin directly into the ground and you sound even more stupid saying

Sasuke slipped out in a goo form what?.

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. He cut the the ground and then slipped out of his stomach. Manda cannonly slipped out his skin already. When Jiraiya shot the fire ball

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. If you implying Manda sheds his skin like regular snakes do IRL your sadly mistaken. He already borrowed out of his skin into the ground if he would have went out side his skin and then borrowed himself into the ground he would have been

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Which doesn't matter. There is no reason to give KN4 a feat to use multiple Bijuu Dama when he doesn't have the power to do so nor does anything imply he has the power to do so. All your idiotic babbling about percentages is wrong.

This is what im trying to tell YOU!!!. Quit giving kn4 Naruto feats of high forms of Kurama chakra it's baseless. It was shown to use a Bijuudama(The slow one it used in cannon) So that is the only way it can use it don't go around giving 6tails feats to 4tailed Naruto.

Bijuu Dama can be factually used as a beam or a ball. There is nothing more to discuss here. And please stop being an idiot.

-BD is fired as a ball.
-BD is swallowed and then fired as a beam or a wave. Naruto obviously didn't fire his BD as a ball otherwise you would've seen the ball fire at Orochimaru.

Except for tails Naruto shot it's ball Bijuudama which is the faster variation. We can see the ball in this

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so what are you even saying here. Nonsense as usual.

Based on what is Manda's attack going to be quicker than Orochimaru's? If you aren't going to support that statement with feats then stop posting. End of story. Me not being able to disprove your claim is irrelevant when you can't even support your dumbass claim. Learn how to debate kiddo.

I gave you the ins and outs of this argument. I already stated that you can't prove Orochimaru is faster than Manda underground. Neither can i disprove that. But when Naruto was cannonly caught of guard by Orochimaru there is nothing suggesting Manda won't due to same when they both have the surprise attack from underground feat with no significant evidence proving one is slower than the other which means there about the same in speed and if they're the same in speed then Naruto is swallowed up simple.

Lmao you sound stupid as all hell. Why would he purposely make himself be seen when he could approach undetected negating the need for that attack. Jiraiya and Bunta saw them coming. The fact that the tail was a feint doesn't matter. He saw them coming so why would KN4 not see him coming when he has ZERO cover.

His tail was used a distraction so they couldn't counter him once he came from behide them. I completely explained this to you and im pretty sure you get it but your to stubborn to admit im right and your wrong so your just going to keep going on and on.

You've yet to prove that Manda can blitz him or even launch a successful surprise attack. You've yet to prove anything you are saying so get at me when you can type something worth responding to.
They can't. Lmao nothing I said here implies otherwise, but you can't read so this isn't surprising.

Orochimaru blitz him. Feats suggest there on the same level in terms of speed underground unless you can prove Orochimaru is faster which you can't.

Lmao dumbest thing I've read in a while.

BD is charged as a ball. Next steps are either:

1. Fire it.

Or

1. Swallow it.
2. Then fire it.

KN4 can't fire his BD as a ball but he can fire it after he's done extra work? What? :lol

Except 4 tails doesn't have the feats to shoot a Bijuudama without swallowing it. Your ignorance is truly disgusting.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Not an argument.

Sasuke slipped out in a goo form what?.

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. He cut the the ground and then slipped out of his stomach. Manda cannonly slipped out his skin already. When Jiraiya shot the fire ball

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. If you implying Manda sheds his skin like regular snakes do IRL your sadly mistaken. He already borrowed out of his skin into the ground if he would have went out side his skin and then borrowed himself into the ground he would have been

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Lmao what a dumbass. Manda sheds skin, he doesn't use Oral Rebirth or anything like what Sasuke did. So stop arguing that he does.

-Jiraiya shot the fireball.
-Manda is above ground.
-Manda dives underground and leaves his skin which the fire hits.
-Fire clears and Jiraiya sees that Manda's skin is left behind.

The bold is another one of your dumb assumptions. Manda shed his skin and dived underground. There is no "went straight from his skin to underground". Just more nonsense you made up. KN4 will see Manda burrowing underground and will see the snake coming at him. Jiraiya didn't see him dive underground or shed his skin because his own Katon was blinding him. That's a fact.

This is what im trying to tell YOU!!!. Quit giving kn4 Naruto feats of high forms of Kurama chakra it's baseless. It was shown to use a Bijuudama(The slow one it used in cannon) So that is the only way it can use it don't go around giving 6tails feats to 4tailed Naruto.

If only your logic made sense.

One is a stronger technique. The other is simply how the technique can be used. Nothing more to argue here. Unless you want to prove your claim don't expect a response on this specific matter again.

Except for tails Naruto shot it's ball Bijuudama which is the faster variation. We can see the ball in this

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so what are you even saying here. Nonsense as usual.

Lmao whatever. Doesn't change anything I've stated.

I gave you the ins and outs of this argument. I already stated that you can't prove Orochimaru is faster than Manda underground. Neither can i disprove that. But when Naruto was cannonly caught of guard by Orochimaru there is nothing suggesting Manda won't due to same when they both have the surprise attack from underground feat with no significant evidence proving one is slower than the other which means there about the same in speed and if they're the same in speed then Naruto is swallowed up simple.

Are you stupid? You not being able to prove that one is faster than the other doesn't make them equal in speed you insufferable moron. :lol You providing feats to prove that Manda can replicate Orochimaru's feat is what proves your point. So when you can provide these feats or evidence get at me. Until then you'll keep getting this same exact response.

His tail was used a distraction so they couldn't counter him once he came from behide them. I completely explained this to you and im pretty sure you get it but your to stubborn to admit im right and your wrong so your just going to keep going on and on.

The bold is what I just stated. That doesn't change anything else I've stated. That doesn't change the fact that they saw him coming. :lol

You aren't even making arguments at this point. Just stop replying to me and spamming this thread with trash arguments.

Orochimaru blitz him. Feats suggest there on the same level in terms of speed underground unless you can prove Orochimaru is faster which you can't.

Talks about feats but has provided no scans. Lmao you better gtfo.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

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Lmao what a dumbass. Manda sheds skin, he doesn't use Oral Rebirth or anything like what Sasuke did. So stop arguing that he does.

-Jiraiya shot the fireball.
-Manda is above ground.
-Manda dives underground and leaves his skin which the fire hits.
-Fire clears and Jiraiya sees that Manda's skin is left behind.

That's Sasuke makin his body as goo? No it's not. That is simple oral rebirth slim as it was shown

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. Atleast you tried though.

Let say you right and im wrong that's only more of an impressive speed feat for Manda. Which means he does in-fact blitz 4tails Naruto from under the ground.

The bold is another one of your dumb assumptions. Manda shed his skin and dived underground. There is no "went straight from his skin to underground". Just more nonsense you made up. KN4 will see Manda burrowing underground and will see the snake coming at him. Jiraiya didn't see him dive underground or shed his skin because his own Katon was blinding him. That's a fact.

KN4 won't see a thing when Sasuke can distract him. Or summon the

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and use them as bait. Once 4tailed Naruto is distracted/fighting them Manda comes from under the ground and swallow him that simple.

If only your logic made sense.

One is a stronger technique. The other is simply how the technique can be used. Nothing more to argue here. Unless you want to prove your claim don't expect a response on this specific matter again.

It would seem as if your ready to quit acting up the fanfic huh?

Lmao whatever. Doesn't change anything I've stated.

It does it means that 4tailed Naruto is never getting off his slow Bijuudama and he's eaten up and sent to Ryuchi cave.

Are you stupid? You not being able to prove that one is faster than the other doesn't make them equal in speed you insufferable moron. :lol You providing feats to prove that Manda can replicate Orochimaru's feat is what proves your point. So when you can provide these feats or evidence get at me. Until then you'll keep getting this same exact response.

The Burden of proof is now upon you. You claim i can't prove that Manda is faster than Orochimaru underground which is true. Yet you can't prove that im wrong. So when i say there on the same speed level it's up to you to disprove it which you can't.

The bold is what I just stated. That doesn't change anything else I've stated. That doesn't change the fact that they saw him coming. :lol

You aren't even making arguments at this point. Just stop replying to me and spamming this thread with trash arguments.

They didn't leave a dirt trail with his tail they would have never see him moving under ground. It's that simple.

Talks about feats but has provided no scans. Lmao you better gtfo.

85% Of you argument is giving 4tailed Naruto feats he doesn't have.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's Sasuke makin his body as goo? No it's not. That is simple oral rebirth slim as it was shown

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. Atleast you tried though.

Let say you right and im wrong that's only more of an impressive speed feat for Manda. Which means he does in-fact blitz 4tails Naruto from under the ground.

Does that change the fact that Manda can't replicate what Sasuke did?

No. Manda being fast enough to dodge fire means he blitzes Naruto? Are you joking? :lol.

KN4 won't see a thing when Sasuke can distract him. Or summon the

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and use them as bait. Once 4tailed Naruto is distracted/fighting them Manda comes from under the ground and swallow him that simple.

Distract him with what? Sasuke literally cannot hurt him. I've already posted the shockwave a casual wave of the hand from KN4 creates. 1 swing and those snakes are blown back. Naruto doesn't even need to spend a minute of his time on them. Part 1 Naruto in KN0 had the physical strength to manhandle a regular giant snake summon let alone Part 1 KN4. :lol

-Snakes are fodderized.
-As Manda approaches Naruto Naruto either counters him when he comes up or he dodges.

It does it means that 4tailed Naruto is never getting off his slow Bijuudama and he's eaten up and sent to Ryuchi cave.

Addressed. All this crying about KN4's Bijuu Dama yet KN4 doesn't need any form of Bijuu Dama to fend off Manda.

The Burden of proof is now upon you. You claim i can't prove that Manda is faster than Orochimaru underground which is true. Yet you can't prove that im wrong. So when i say there on the same speed level it's up to you to disprove it which you can't.

What the hell? Do you know how Burden of Proof works? You claimed Manda can blitz KN4 because Orochimaru did, meaning you have to show why Manda can replicate Orochimaru's feats, but you can't so there is nothing more to discuss here.

Nice try though.

They didn't leave a dirt trail with his tail they would have never see him moving under ground. It's that simple.

Based on what? Your opinion? Cause I have actual Manga scans on my side.

 

[Warlocks]

4 tail Naruto win

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Does that change the fact that Manda can't replicate what Sasuke did?

No. Manda being fast enough to dodge fire means he blitzes Naruto? Are you joking? :lol.

Distract him with what? Sasuke literally cannot hurt him. I've already posted the shockwave a casual wave of the hand from KN4 creates. 1 swing and those snakes are blown back. Naruto doesn't even need to spend a minute of his time on them. Part 1 Naruto in KN0 had the physical strength to manhandle a regular giant snake summon let alone Part 1 KN4. :lol

Yes it does means he's blitzing Naruto and here's why.

Jiraiya Katon left Manda with about 1 second to go underground this is about the same amount of time it take for Naruto to be stalled by the 3 headed snakes once Manda is underground Sasuke gets Naruto attention. While Sasuke effortlessly dodging 4tails Naruto attacks Manda comes from under him and eats him. It's that simple.

-Snakes are fodderized.

-As Manda approaches Naruto Naruto either counters him when he comes up or he dodges.

Addressed. All this crying about KN4's Bijuu Dama yet KN4 doesn't need any form of Bijuu Dama to fend off Manda.

Dodges based of what evasive feats? Also 4tailed Naruto never opted to dodge anything why would he start now? If he doesn't use a Bijuudama then he's gang raped by CM2 Hebi Sasuke and Manda.

What the hell? Do you know how Burden of Proof works? You claimed Manda can blitz KN4 because Orochimaru did, meaning you have to show why Manda can replicate Orochimaru's feats, but you can't so there is nothing more to discuss here.

Nice try though.

Then were at a stand still here.

Based on what? Your opinion? Cause I have actual Manga scans on my side.

Based on the fact that his head while underground didn't leave a dirt trail.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes it does means he's blitzing Naruto and here's why.

Jiraiya Katon left Manda with about 1 second to go underground this is about the same amount of time it take for Naruto to be stalled by the 3 headed snakes once Manda is underground Sasuke gets Naruto attention. While Sasuke effortlessly dodging 4tails Naruto attacks Manda comes from under him and eats him. It's that simple.

What a ridiculously biased scenario. Here is what will happen. Manda will dive underground, fodder snakes attack KN4, so does Sasuke. Naruto swings his hand, does

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, blows them all away and then counters Manda's back attack. There is no "comes from under him and eats him". Already explained why that dumb scenario is impossible.

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Dodges based of what evasive feats? Also 4tailed Naruto never opted to dodge anything why would he start now? If he doesn't use a Bijuudama then he's gang raped by CM2 Hebi Sasuke and Manda.

In terms of overall speed:

KN4>>>KN3>KN2>KN1>KN0>Base Naruto. Lmao. Manda doesn't even have the speed feats to blitz a Base Naruto let alone KN4. "Never opted to dodge anything" more like he never dodged that single surprise attack from Orochimaru. :lol

Then were at a stand still here.

No, we aren't. You can't support your claim so you don't have an argument. It's that simple.

Based on the fact that his head while underground didn't leave a dirt trail.

Fine, but he'll still be seen going underground so this doesn't help your argument at all.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

What a ridiculously biased scenario. Here is what will happen. Manda will dive underground, fodder snakes attack KN4, so does Sasuke. Naruto swings his hand, does

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, blows them all away and then counters Manda's back attack. There is no "comes from under him and eats him". Already explained why that dumb scenario is impossible.

No it's factual scenario actually.

Lol that puny shockwave isn't taking out CM2 Sasuke who tanked Deidara bombs head on. He gets knocked back at best. 4tailed Naruto attention would still be on him and while it's panning it's next attack for Sasuke it's surprised by Manda caught completely off guard.






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n terms of overall speed:

KN4>>>KN3>KN2>KN1>KN0>Base Naruto. Lmao. Manda doesn't even have the speed feats to blitz a Base Naruto let alone KN4. "Never opted to dodge anything" more like he never dodged that single surprise attack from Orochimaru. :lol

Except 4 tails Naruto doesn't rely on it's speed at all. It got straight up blitzed by Orochimaru slipping out of his mouth and punching it. Manda is going to swallow 4tailed Naruto regardless of what you think his speed is.

No, we aren't. You can't support your claim so you don't have an argument. It's that simple.

This applies to you as well.

Fine, but he'll still be seen going underground so this doesn't help your argument at all.

Not when he has an angry CM2 Sasuke distracting him from another direction.

 

[KidGamer65]

No it's factual scenario actually.

Lol that puny shockwave isn't taking out CM2 Sasuke who tanked Deidara bombs head on. He gets knocked back at best. 4tailed Naruto attention would still be on him and while it's panning it's next attack for Sasuke it's surprised by Manda caught completely off guard.

Who said it'd kill him? I simply said it'd blow him back. :lol So no, Sasuke doesn't ever distract KN4 long enough for Manda to come up behind him and swallow him, especially since you've yet to provide these feats. All you are doing is repeating the same arguments over and over and over again at this point while ignoring the fact you can't support them.

Except 4 tails Naruto doesn't rely on it's speed at all. It got straight up blitzed by Orochimaru slipping out of his mouth and punching it. Manda is going to swallow 4tailed Naruto regardless of what you think his speed is.

Do you even know what blitzed is? Orochimaru being able to tag KN4 in CQC isn't a blitz.

And what is the bold based on? Oh wait, nothing of course.

This applies to you as well.

I've made no claim on this matter. All I've been doing is telling your foolish ass why you can't make claims and then not support them.

 

[Warlocks]

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3.15 -3.20
this will happen when some 1 get contact with 4 tail Naruto chakra arm

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Who said it'd kill him? I simply said it'd blow him back. :lol So no, Sasuke doesn't ever distract KN4 long enough for Manda to come up behind him and swallow him, especially since you've yet to provide these feats. All you are doing is repeating the same arguments over and over and over again at this point while ignoring the fact you can't support them.

Blowing Sasuke back isn't going to help when after 4 tailed Naruto shot it's tbb it sat their and stared at

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. Once Sasuke is sent back 4tails stares him down until it's surprised and eaten by Manda this is so simple why can't you get this.

Do you even know what blitzed is? Orochimaru being able to tag KN4 in CQC isn't a blitz.

And what is the bold based on? Oh wait, nothing of course.

Yes i do and 4 tailed Naruto was blitz or you think it just say there and got hit on purpose? Based on the fact the 4tails Naruto failed to exercise these superior speed feats your bringing up here.

've made no claim on this matter. All I've been doing is telling your foolish ass why you can't make claims and then not support them.

It's the same thing. I couldn't accurately prove my point and your couldn't disprove my point.

 

[KidGamer65]

Blowing Sasuke back isn't going to help when after 4 tailed Naruto shot it's tbb it sat their and stared at

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. Once Sasuke is sent back 4tails stares him down until it's surprised and eaten by Manda this is so simple why can't you get this.

Lmao now you are just grasping at straws. Naruto stared him down because that's the only opponent he's fighting. That's not a scenario where he has Sasuke and a summon to worry about. Shitty ass argument from a shitty poster. Hilarious.

Yes i do and 4 tailed Naruto was blitz or you think it just say there and got hit on purpose? Based on the fact the 4tails Naruto failed to exercise these superior speed feats your bringing up here.

What I said about his speed is fact. What Orochimaru can do to him is irrelevant because this isn't Orochimaru, this is Manda. Now get me those feats or don't bother responding.

It's the same thing. I couldn't accurately prove my point and your couldn't disprove my point.

There is nothing to disprove. You don't have a claim supported by evidence so it's just your dumb opinion. :lol

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Lmao now you are just grasping at straws. Naruto stared him down because that's the only opponent he's fighting. That's not a scenario where he has Sasuke and a summon to worry about. Shitty ass argument from a shitty poster. Hilarious.

What don't you get he'll never see Manda. I stated earlier that Manda would go underground during the smoke screen of the summoning jutsu.

What I said about his speed is fact. What Orochimaru can do to him is irrelevant because this isn't Orochimaru, this is Manda. Now get me those feats or don't bother responding.

Lol but CM2 Sasuke is faster than Orochimaru so your not making any sense.

There is nothing to disprove. You don't have a claim supported by evidence so it's just your dumb opinion. :lol

Ok forget about that argument.

 

[KidGamer65]

What don't you get he'll never see Manda. I stated earlier that Manda would go underground during the smoke screen of the summoning jutsu.

Lmao. It creates a cloud of smoke as large as the summon for an instant then it blows away. Not happening. Ever. Just stop.

Lol but CM2 Sasuke is faster than Orochimaru so your not making any sense.

Sasuke is, not Manda. Dafuq are you even talking about? Lmao. Just stop responding to me already. It's clear you don't have an argument anymore.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Lmao. It creates a cloud of smoke as large as the summon for an instant then it blows away. Not happening. Ever. Just stop.

That's all Manda needs is a small distraction for him to escape. Also i was talking about the other snake summoning smoke screen.

Sasuke is, not Manda. Dafuq are you even talking about? Lmao. Just stop responding to me already. It's clear you don't have an argument anymore.

Are you illiterate? I was talking about Sasuke when i said 4tails Naruto can be blitzed. I said Manda would catch him off guard.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's all Manda needs is a small distraction for him to escape. Also i was talking about the other snake summoning smoke screen.


Are you illiterate? I was talking about Sasuke when i said 4tails Naruto can be blitzed. I said Manda would catch him off guard.

The smoke literally lasts a fraction of a second. Stop grasping at straws. :lol

Don't talk about illiteracy when you can't even spell properly. :lol Sasuke attacking KN4 does nothing. He attacks him, KN4 eats it up, then KN4 blows him away and counters his fodder snake summon.