[VS] DSM Kabuto Vs KCSM Naruto

[KidGamer65]

What has Kabuto reacted to that was just a fast or faster than V2 Raikage Ay fastest punch? Ill wait for a proper response instead of these funny insults.


Your claiming Kabuto has better reaction feats but Kabuto didn't react to anything KM Naruto wouldn't have reacted to so stop.

I already addressed this in my first and my second post, and doing what you trash posters do best you ignored it. Kabuto is faster than someone who can match Naruto in reaction speed. There is nothing more to argue on this point so stop addressing it, especially when you keep on *****ing about how I keep bringing it up when you keep on replying to it.

Except the orb that the Dragon entity is holding is solid thus FRS destroys the orb meaning the affects of WR never happens. Naruto will sense WR via sage mode and negative sensing. It's funny how you mention that he wouldn't know what WR is yet when it comes to sensing and countering MS Sharingan techs which by the way is much faster than WR SM Sensing easily counters it but here he would have a hard time. STOP.

The Databook clearly states that Nature Energy is changed to light and then expelled in a dragon form. Nothing says or implies that the orb the dragon holds is a solid while the databook states what that Dragon is. FRS passes right through it and then White Rage paralyzes Naruto and he gets killed off. Funny how I can post a DB entry and you still continue arguing your dumb fanfic.

And how does him being able to sense during White Rage change the fact he can't move while the jutsu is active? Oh wait, it doesn't. :lol Like I said above, Kabuto paralyzes him and kills him off. And the bold literally makes no sense whatsoever. He doesn't know what White Rage is, so him throwing an entire FRS at it is unlikely. How does anything you stated change that fact?

See, this is you ignoring Manga fact. Pathetic. Do yourself a favor and just stop arguing now.

It would appear that when your back is against the ropes you revert to insults i remember in that Kisame vs Minato thread you threw out these same insults just to later concede like i said you would.

THEORY-It would appear that when your arguments are based more or insults rather than manga facts your close to conceding.

-White Rage paralyzes Naruto.

Your counters:

-Shadow clones don't have ****ing bones. :lol
-Naruto can sense, but he can't actually do anything to protect himself :lol
-A blade destroys a dragon made of liquid or light.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Holy shit you are a comedian.

You don't even have any counters for White Rage let alone that used in combination with Kabuto's other abilities.

All my arguments are supported by Manga fact. Don't get mad that I'm calling you what we all know you are and then try to say I'm losing when in reality I have scans for every statement I've made in this thread while all you can do is say

"nope, wrong, cause I said so"
"shadow clones dont have bones"

But yeah, your arguments are definitely convincing. :lol

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

I already addressed this in my first and my second post, and doing what you trash posters do best you ignored it. Kabuto is faster than someone who can match Naruto in reaction speed. There is nothing more to argue on this point so stop addressing it, especially when you keep on *****ing about how I keep bringing it up when you keep on replying to it.

Kabuto is faster than someone who can match Naruto in reaction speed? Do you realize how ignorant this argument your presenting here is?

Itachi matched Kabuto in cqc and he did the same with KM Naruto. Yet for some reason you think Kabuto reaction are better than Narutos. Sasuke running along side Naruto doesn't suggest that their reactions or speed are the same when it was just a casual run. It's not like Naruto and Sasuke both said hey let's charge these Juubi creatures at full speed.

The Databook clearly states that Nature Energy is changed to light and then expelled in a dragon form. Nothing says or implies that the orb the dragon holds is a solid while the databook states what that Dragon is. FRS passes right through it and then White Rage paralyzes Naruto and he gets killed off. Funny how I can post a DB entry and you still continue arguing your dumb fanfic.

And how does him being able to sense during White Rage change the fact he can't move while the jutsu is active? Oh wait, it doesn't. :lol Like I said above, Kabuto paralyzes him and kills him off. And the bold literally makes no sense whatsoever. He doesn't know what White Rage is, so him throwing an entire FRS at it is unlikely. How does anything you stated change that fact?

See, this is you ignoring Manga fact. Pathetic. Do yourself a favor and just stop arguing now.

Did the databook say the orb wasn't physical i don't think so anyways he summons Gamabunta and he jumps out of WR aoe once that's over Ma and Pa sound genjutsu paralyze Him and Naruto stomps him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kabuto is faster than someone who can match Naruto in reaction speed? Do you realize how ignorant this argument your presenting here is?

Itachi matched Kabuto in cqc and he did the same with KM Naruto. Yet for some reason you think Kabuto reaction are better than Narutos. Sasuke running along side Naruto doesn't suggest that their reactions or speed are the same when it was just a casual run. It's not like Naruto and Sasuke both said hey let's charge these Juubi creatures at full speed.

Itachi didn't match Kabuto in CQC. They clashed once. :lol That's not matching in CQC. Try again. Why are you talking about the bold when no one ever mentioned their running speed? Do you not know the difference between reaction speed and actual physical from point A to B speed?

Oh wait, you don't.

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Naruto and Sasuke reacting at the same time.

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Again. REACTION, not foot speed so please don't mention it again. And don't say it was a combination or a collab attack when they charged independently of the other person, hence Sasuke telling Naruto not to get in his way.

Did the databook say the orb wasn't physical i don't think so anyways he summons Gamabunta and he jumps out of WR aoe once that's over Ma and Pa sound genjutsu paralyze Him and Naruto stomps him.

'NE is turned to light in the body and released in the form of a dragon'. White Rage is light. It also could be liquid given how it looks but the DB has spoken. Where does it say the orb is physical? Where does the Manga say it's physical? Lmao. This is what happens when you grasp at straws and deny Manga fact. You look stupid.

And your strategy is trash because Naruto won't know what White Rage so why the hell would he jump away from it using Gamabunta? Not to mention Muki Tensei would bind and pierce Bunta so he wouldn't be able to jump away regardless even if your strategy was possible in the first place.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

-White Rage paralyzes Naruto.

Base on your argument: Why did you view change on the effects of White Rage outdoor, being as good indoors?

 

[KidGamer65]

Base on your argument: Why did you view change on the effects of White Rage outdoor, being as good indoors?

It's still more effective indoors than outdoors, but not to the point where Naruto will be able to do anything to Kabuto.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It's still more effective indoors than outdoors, but not to the point where Naruto will be able to do anything to Kabuto.

Do you believe chakra manipulation is still out of question? And why

 

[Lord Tywin]

Do you believe chakra manipulation is still out of question? And why

It's not:lol.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

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Not even going to address all the rubbish since that is all KM Naruto. All the wrong points you tried to make were completely KM Naruto based.

'NE is turned to light in the body and released in the form of a dragon'. White Rage is light. It also could be liquid given how it looks but the DB has spoken. Where does it say the orb is physical? Where does the Manga say it's physical? Lmao. This is what happens when you grasp at straws and deny Manga fact. You look stupid.

The orb is physical because it's being held you can't hold something that's not physical notices how the date book singles out the Dragon not being physical as to oppose of just stating the jutsu as a whole of not being physical. Unless you can provide concrete evidence that suggest the Orb isn't solid then stop with this nonsense. Also i hate you Databook hypocrites.

WR comes up and it's destroyed by a FRS it's that simple.

Here is what the orb looks like.

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If it wasn't physical it would be transparent like the dragon. Or in a liquid form. It's neither of those.

And your strategy is trash because Naruto won't know what White Rage so why the hell would he jump away from it using Gamabunta? Not to mention Muki Tensei would bind and pierce Bunta so he wouldn't be able to jump away regardless even if your strategy was possible in the first place.

Doesn't have to know the mechanics of the abilities he'll opt to dodge. Or clones would still suffice given that Kabuto still wouldn't know who the real Naruto is and WR affects last for about 10 seconds. Kabuto his a clone and and the real Naruto and twelve other clones are safe.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not even going to address all the rubbish since that is all KM Naruto. All the wrong points you tried to make were completely KM Naruto based.

If you had even the comprehension skills of a 5th grader you would know why the matter.

-nonsense-

It not looking like the dragon doesn't prove it's physical. The dragon's hand being attached to the orb doesn't prove it's physical. DB states exactly what it is so you don't have an argument. Please stop arguing against what the databook says. Nature Energy is gathered in the body and changed to light, which is then expelled from the body via the mouth. That is what the databook says. Not that "NE is changed to light, and then expelled but part of it wasn't changed to light". :lol


Everything Kabuto spits out is light. Not interested in your speculations. And even if I agreed that it was a physical attack, Kabuto has Muki Tensei and Doton to control the environment. Simply causing Naruto to trip right before he throws the FRS or elevating his fighting position using Jirobo's technique means that his FRS completely misses White Rage and then it goes off and kills him.

Doesn't have to know the mechanics of the abilities he'll opt to dodge. Or clones would still suffice given that Kabuto still wouldn't know who the real Naruto is and WR affects last for about 10 seconds. Kabuto his a clone and and the real Naruto and twelve other clones are safe.

How do you choose to dodge a tech you have no intel on using a toad summon? Why would he even attempt to get that far away in the first place not knowing the range of the technique? Lmao. Cut this stupid shit out. Clones don't matter. Not only would Naruto not have that many clones out to begin with as again, he has no intel on the technique, but his clone spam doesn't matter because Sawarabi no Mai and/or Muki Tensei are all attacks that can target all of Naruto's clones at once.

-White Rage activates.
-Naruto is paralyzed.
-Kabuto uses Muki Tensei and one shots him and all his clones if they are out.

OR

-Kabuto uses Sawarabi no Mai and one shots him and all his clones if they are out.

Do you believe chakra manipulation is still out of question? And why

It's not, because that doesn't require actual physical movement. It definitely doesn't help though in case anyone arguing for Naruto wants to try and use that as some sort of counter.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

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It not looking like the dragon doesn't prove it's physical. The dragon's hand being attached to the orb doesn't prove it's physical. DB states exactly what it is so you don't have an argument. Please stop arguing against what the databook says. Nature Energy is gathered in the body and changed to light, which is then expelled from the body via the mouth. That is what the databook says. Not that "NE is changed to light, and then expelled but part of it wasn't changed to light". :lol

Databook mentions nothing about the orb it's only referring to the dragon so stop trying to nit pick around the argument and face it head on. It even exclude the dragon which makes this even worst for your case.

Everything Kabuto spits out is light. Not interested in your speculations. And even if I agreed that it was a physical attack, Kabuto has Muki Tensei and Doton to control the environment. Simply causing Naruto to trip right before he throws the FRS or elevating his fighting position using Jirobo's technique means that his FRS completely misses White Rage and then it goes off and kills him.

So Kabuto is going to use WR and Muki tensei all at the same time lol. You aren't serious are you.

How do you choose to dodge a tech you have no intel on using a toad summon? Why would he even attempt to get that far away in the first place not knowing the range of the technique? Lmao. Cut this stupid shit out. Clones don't matter. Not only would Naruto not have that many clones out to begin with as again, he has no intel on the technique, but his clone spam doesn't matter because Sawarabi no Mai and/or Muki Tensei are all attacks that can target all of Naruto's clones at once.

Even if he doesn't use Gamabunta his basic instinct would tell him to dodge or counter attack. Even him jumping backward on his own accord would provide him some distance. Clones would be out because that's what Naruto does in battle is deploy clones all other the battlefield he's done this multiple times. Kimmimaro bones are crushed via chakra arms or elevate him above them. Muki tensei can't even pierce Naruto KSM cloak since SM alone

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-White Rage activates.
-Naruto is paralyzed.
-Kabuto uses Muki Tensei and one shots him and all his clones if they are out.

OR

-Kabuto uses Sawarabi no Mai and one shots him and all his clones if they are out.

Addressed.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It's not:lol.

So why dont you refute KG since it not relevant in countering White Rage follow up?

 

[KidGamer65]

Databook mentions nothing about the orb it's only referring to the dragon so stop trying to nit pick around the argument and face it head on. It even exclude the dragon which makes this even worst for your case.

The databook refers to everything that is being spit out of his mouth. Nature Energy is changed to light inside his body. That's how White Rage is created. So why would that orb be any different when it was created via the same exact process? :lol. Again, stop arguing with fact.

So Kabuto is going to use WR and Muki tensei all at the same time lol. You aren't serious are you.

What are you talking about? :lol

1. Kabuto uses White Rage.
2. Naruto tries to use FRS after to counter it.
3. Kabuto responds with Doton or Muki Tensei. We've already seen that he can use Sakon and Ukon's ability to make a clone of Jirobo, meaning Jirobo clone uses Doton while Kabuto does his own thing.

Even if he doesn't use Gamabunta his basic instinct would tell him to dodge or counter attack. Even him jumping backward on his own accord would provide him some distance. Clones would be out because that's what Naruto does in battle is deploy clones all other the battlefield he's done this multiple times. Kimmimaro bones are crushed via chakra arms or elevate him above them. Muki tensei can't even pierce Naruto KSM cloak since SM alone

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Sasuke and Itachi had no knowledge of the technique and were caught. They didn't try to counter. So why would Naruto? :lol. Nothing more to argue on this point. Naruto isn't going to clear enough distance to escape the effects without knowledge. Period.

And no, Naruto doesn't spam clones all across the battlefield at the start of matches. What the hell are you even talking about? Especially after getting KCM. If he knew about Kabuto's powers this would be a viable strategy. :lol

-Agreed that Muki Tensei won't kill the original, but the clones are destroyed.

Lmao bold is hilarious. Where has Naruto shown the strength feats to smash Senjutsu enhanced Sawarabi no Mai bones? Never. Him and his clones get taken out. Either that or Kabuto kills off the clones with Muki Tensei and then kills the original in direct combat using Kimimaro's KKG.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

The databook refers to everything that is being spit out of his mouth. Nature Energy is changed to light inside his body. That's how White Rage is created. So why would that orb be any different when it was created via the same exact process? :lol. Again, stop arguing with fact.



What are you talking about? :lol

1. Kabuto uses White Rage.
2. Naruto tries to use FRS after to counter it.
3. Kabuto responds with Doton or Muki Tensei. We've already seen that he can use Sakon and Ukon's ability to make a clone of Jirobo, meaning Jirobo clone uses Doton while Kabuto does his own thing.





Sasuke and Itachi had no knowledge of the technique and were caught. They didn't try to counter. So why would Naruto? :lol. Nothing more to argue on this point. Naruto isn't going to clear enough distance to escape the effects without knowledge. Period.

And no, Naruto doesn't spam clones all across the battlefield at the start of matches. What the hell are you even talking about? Especially after getting KCM. If he knew about Kabuto's powers this would be a viable strategy. :lol

-Agreed that Muki Tensei won't kill the original, but the clones are destroyed.

Lmao bold is hilarious. Where has Naruto shown the strength feats to smash Senjutsu enhanced Sawarabi no Mai bones? Never. Him and his clones get taken out. Either that or Kabuto kills off the clones with Muki Tensei and then kills the original in direct combat using Kimimaro's KKG.

I forgot about them emerging from his body.

Kabuto wins only because it is a stretch to assume Naruto would instantly attack WR with a Rasenshuriken. Give Naruto knowledge and he wins here.

 

[KidGamer65]

I forgot about them emerging from his body.

Kabuto wins only because it is a stretch to assume Naruto would instantly attack WR with a Rasenshuriken. Give Naruto knowledge and he wins here.

Give Naruto knowledge and he still loses. Lmao. All the strategies you mentioned that only work with knowledge were addressed regardless of them not being able to work in this specific scenario.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Give Naruto knowledge and he still loses. Lmao. All the strategies you mentioned that only work with knowledge were addressed regardless of them not being able to work in this specific scenario.

If Naruto has knowledge then he escapes WR via Gamabunta. Then proceeds to stomp Kabuto since WR is his only life line.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Naruto has knowledge then he escapes WR via Gamabunta. Then proceeds to stomp Kabuto since WR is his only life line.

What's funny is that I just addressed this terrible argument.

-WR is used.
-Naruto summons.
-Summon is fodderized by Muki Tensei.
-Naruto is fodderized next.

OR

-WR is used.
-Naruto summons.
-Naruto escapes.
-Kabuto fodderizes his summon.
-Uses WR again.
-Kabuto kills Nardo.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

What's funny is that I just addressed this terrible argument.

-WR is used.
-Naruto summons.
-Summon is fodderized by Muki Tensei.
-Naruto is fodderized next.

OR

-WR is used.
-Naruto summons.
-Naruto escapes.
-Kabuto fodderizes his summon.
-Uses WR again.
-Kabuto kills Nardo.

Muki tensei stabs aren't putting down Gamabunta not before he gets to jump he might get stabbed a little bit but he's not getting put down. Lol if his strategy is to constantly use WR then Naruto sits back and catches him with Sound genjutsu via Ma and Pa.

 

[KidGamer65]

Muki tensei stabs aren't putting down Gamabunta not before he gets to jump he might get stabbed a little bit but he's not getting put down. Lol if his strategy is to constantly use WR then Naruto sits back and catches him with Sound genjutsu via Ma and Pa.

Orrrr Kabuto could actually be smart and simply bind him or stab him through his feet instead of wasting effort trying to kill him, though it's not like that'd take much effort anyway.

And what a stupid response. How is his strategy to constantly use WR when Naruto can't survive any attempt after his toad has been killed? I'm not even going to entertain the notion of a second White Rage when you can't even give a logical strategy that lets Naruto survive the first.

 

[TRE MERCER]

So who thought it was okay not to restrict Manda II? Manda II solo's. Rasenshurikens are tanked with utter ease. His summonings are fodderized as regular Manda alone made short work of Gamabunta. If he tries sound genjutsu Kabuto snaps Manda II out of it plus didn't Ma and Pa say sound genjutsu takes time to use in the first place?

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Orrrr Kabuto could actually be smart and simply bind him or stab him through his feet instead of wasting effort trying to kill him, though it's not like that'd take much effort anyway.

Yes because he'll have so much time. Once Naruto senses the chakra build up for WR he summons Gamabunta and they jump. Kabuto can only stab with Muki tensei what is he going to bind Gamabunta with in that short amount of time? Nothing.

And what a stupid response. How is his strategy to constantly use WR when Naruto can't survive any attempt after his toad has been killed? I'm not even going to entertain the notion of a second White Rage when you can't even give a logical strategy that lets Naruto survive the first.

No a stupid response is you saying that Kabuto will constantly spam WR. Kabuto can't bypass genjutsu. Gamabunta is never getting caught not when he can

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