4 tail Naruto vs Hebi Sasuke

[Unorthodox]

Didn't Orochimaru clocked 4 tails in the face without burning?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Didn't Orochimaru clocked 4 tails in the face without burning?

It seems to be in the chakra arms.

 

[KidGamer65]

Cutting the tails were for defensive purposes only. It actually doesn't need a shit ton of heat and even if it did. Sasuke cm2 Fire jutsu specifies in heating up the atmosphere. Kirin prep time is only needed to make it more stronger and deadlier which he won't need to do here. Black Chidori lacks impressive feats due to it only being used once or twice which is why i added Kirin to the equation.


Which is why Manda would send him to Ryuchi cave once he's swallowed him. V2 chakra didn't eradicate Gated Gai skin it's never burning Manda's skin. L0l Manda would easily overpower SM Naruto and 4tailed Naruto is a wild beast so trying to come up with strategy as how it would fight Sasuke is illogical since all it knows is to destroy.


+Rep for the great argument.

Not sure if I should even bother arguing against you. You actually think Manda is a major factor here and you think Sasuke's CS2 Chidori can pierce Naruto's cloak despite you having no evidence of that even being possible. Then we have the fact you think Manda can overpower

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and

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. :lol

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

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Go back and read Itachi vs Sasuke. You can see how much fire needs to be there for Kirin to get prepared. We have no idea about what Kirin can do in smaller scale because we've only seen it in one size. We have no idea and nothing can back it up besides speculations.

Dude your not getting what im telling you. Sasuke only needed that much fire and heat in the atmosphere to make Kirin more dangerous and deadly. That is not absolutely needed for Kirin to be used. Smaller scale Kirin should be able to obliterate a v2 cloak. Kakashi Raikiri has already pierced certain limbs on a cloak. Kirin even on a smaller scale should be able to cover that damage output.

No. Manama couldn't even physically overpower gamabunta. Naruto effortlessly tossed summons that gamabunta would have trouble subdue physically. Narutp would toss around Amanda. The corrosive chakra cloak seems to be particular to Naruto's only. It shows it can do it, so bringing in other bijuus is irrelevant.

Manda would squeeze Gamabunta no questions asked. Manda didn't need to overpower Gamabunta when he used strategy to sneak him. Nothing suggest that Manda is weaker than Gamabunta physically. If we go strictly on feats Snake summonings are the strongest. Yet it

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as well.

Once 4tails Naruto is swallowed by Manda he's sent to the Snake cave.

Not sure if I should even bother arguing against you. You actually think Manda is a major factor here and you think Sasuke's CS2 Chidori can pierce Naruto's cloak despite you having no evidence of that even being possible. Then we have the fact you think Manda can overpower

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and

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. :lol

This is where you are wrong i said Manda is physically stronger than SM Naruto. Snake strength is measured by what they can crushed/squeeze. Manda is a factor for the following reasons

• He can be used a big distraction
• 4tails Naruto has 0 means of taking him out when he's constantly on the attack.
• He can help Sasuke prevent a Bijuudama or be used as a shield if one is shot at him.
• He can be used as a sacrifice to send Naruto to Ryuchi cave which would result in an automatic win for Sasuke via BFR.

 

[KidGamer65]

This is where you are wrong i said Manda is physically stronger than SM Naruto. Snake strength is measured by what they can crushed/squeeze. Manda is a factor for the following reasons

• He can be used a big distraction
• 4tails Naruto has 0 means of taking him out when he's constantly on the attack.
• He can help Sasuke prevent a Bijuudama or be used as a shield if one is shot at him.
• He can be used as a sacrifice to send Naruto to Ryuchi cave which would result in an automatic win for Sasuke via BFR.

-A big distraction that gets one shotted by Bijuu Dama.

-Bijuu Dama.

-No, he can't. What is he going to do? Pain attacked KN6 and was unable to prevent Bijuu Dama. Then we have the fact that Bijuu Dama can be charged faster than what we saw KN4 do as shown by KN6.

-Yeah, if Naruto sits there and lets Manda suck him in. Under normal circumstances Manda gets manhandled and then blown to smithereens. Where are we getting the strength and speed feats for Manda to constantly pressure Naruto in CQC anyway? Naruto does

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with a casual wave of his hand. Imagine a direct hit. :lol

 

[LoZelda101]

think you need MS to suppress the full kyuubi

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[Jugram Haschwalth]

-A big distraction that gets one shotted by Bijuu Dama.

Except in Manda has the option to leave it's

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completely distracting the 4tails to shoot it's Bijuudama in the wrong direction.

-Bijuu Dama.

Counter multiple times and ways actually.

-No, he can't. What is he going to do? Pain attacked KN6 and was unable to prevent Bijuu Dama. Then we have the fact that Bijuu Dama can be charged faster than what we saw KN4 do as shown by KN6.

Except 6 tails feats with it's Bijuudama shits on 4 tails. The 4tails takes longer to make it's Bijuudama further more it has to swallow it. It's never going to get the room to do all of this when Manda and other boss summoings snakes are all over it.

-Yeah, if Naruto sits there and lets Manda suck him in. Under normal circumstances Manda gets manhandled and then blown to smithereens. Where are we getting the strength and speed feats for Manda to constantly pressure Naruto in CQC anyway? Naruto does

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with a casual wave of his hand. Imagine a direct hit. :lol

Lol wrong.

Manda catch him from underground with it's mouth similar to how

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. Except the 6tails is literally illiterate and only knows to constantly attack. Once 6tails is fooled by a Manda skin shedding it's caught off guard from underground and swallowed and then sent to the Ryuchi cave.

think you need MS to suppress the full kyuubi

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Lol genjutsu is restricted nor was it ever implied you needed MS to catch a Bijuu in genjutsu

 

[Tantalus Thief]

think you need MS to suppress the full kyuubi

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Obito says hi?

Spoiler

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[BenjerminGaye]

Used on they're bodies not limbs the neck is a limb.

same durability.

 

[Byakuren]

Corrosive Chakra disables Sasuke's Taijutsu, and Ninjutsu. 4-T Naruto's chakra cloak alone cancels out all of Sasuke's arsenal, leaving Sasuke helpless. This is simply a fact, Sasuke loses.

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[KidGamer65]

Except in Manda has the option to leave it's

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completely distracting the 4tails to shoot it's Bijuudama in the wrong direction.

That makes no sense. If Manda sheds it's skin beforehand then KN4 aims at Manda himself and not his shell. If he sheds during the BD he still gets hit as he'd have to be fast enough to clear it's blast range.

Except 6 tails feats with it's Bijuudama shits on 4 tails. The 4tails takes longer to make it's Bijuudama further more it has to swallow it. It's never going to get the room to do all of this when Manda and other boss summoings snakes are all over it.

Nope. Only in power. Killer B's Bijuu Dama showed a long charge time when it first debuted too, but every time after that it was formed in a normal amount of time. As KN6 and every other Bijuu showed it doesn't need to be swallowed to be used. That's only a different approach. Not like it matters because they can't stop him from using it regardless.

Lol wrong.

Manda catch him from underground with it's mouth similar to how

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. Except the 6tails is literally illiterate and only knows to constantly attack. Once 6tails is fooled by a Manda skin shedding it's caught off guard from underground and swallowed and then sent to the Ryuchi cave.

Orochimaru and his sword=/=Boss sized Manda. Not being able to avoid Orochimaru's surprise attack doesn't mean he'll be unable to evade Manda's underground attack, especially since there will be no surprise factor there as it's obvious where Manda has gone when he burrows underground, and stop mentioning this weak snake shedding strategy when there's no reason for KN4 to be distracted when shedding skin doesn't distract him from the real Manda as the shed skin looks like shed skin, not like the original.

The fact you've resorted to using this ridiculous strategy shows that Sasuke doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

That makes no sense. If Manda sheds it's skin beforehand then KN4 aims at Manda himself and not his shell. If he sheds during the BD he still gets hit as he'd have to be fast enough to clear it's blast range.

Something tells me your joking here right? Manda escapes underground where 4tailed Naruto wouldn't be able to see him. His skin still stands there since that was done in cannon you realize that right.

Nope. Only in power. Killer B's Bijuu Dama showed a long charge time when it first debuted too, but every time after that it was formed in a normal amount of time. As KN6 and every other Bijuu showed it doesn't need to be swallowed to be used. That's only a different approach. Not like it matters because they can't stop him from using it regardless.

That was a blast Bijuudama that's why it took longer but your a good debater so im pretty sure you already knew this. That's because Killer bee never used a blast Bijuudama after that which is why that charge time was never required again. Also regardless of how you try to justify it's slow charge up time it's cannonly shown that it takes more time than the 6 tails Bijuudama's. They can't stop 4tailed Naruto from using his Bijuudama? Lol i've explained to you that even if it gets off it's never going to land or do anything.

Orochimaru and his sword=/=Boss sized Manda. Not being able to avoid Orochimaru's surprise attack doesn't mean he'll be unable to evade Manda's underground attack, especially since there will be no surprise factor there as it's obvious where Manda has gone when he burrows underground, and stop mentioning this weak snake shedding strategy when there's no reason for KN4 to be distracted when shedding skin doesn't distract him from the real Manda as the shed skin looks like shed skin, not like the original.

The fact you've resorted to using this ridiculous strategy shows that Sasuke doesn't stand a chance.

BOLD Makes absolutely no sense. Dodging Orochimaru sword would be much easier than dodging Manda from swallowing you since it's a smaller object to evade. This is common sense here. If Manda comes out from under 4tailed Naruto with his mouth open this

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there is no way 4tailed Naruto is dodging that when it couldn't even dodge a blade. 4tailed Naruto is illiterate it would fall for almost any distraction thrown at it stop mention this thing as if it has any sort of common sense when it doesn't. Shedding it's skin and slipping underground confused non-illiterate opponents and somehow you think 4tailed Naruto would catch on?

Your right swallowing 4tailed Naruto is a weak strategy but as a friend of mine once said an cheap way of winning is still a win.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Man, it's common sense that manga can't escape to underground without a smokescreen. If he sheds his skin without distraction, Naruto would see him and shit on him with his own chakra arms. This strategy is never working. Even if it did, chakra arms would keep Manda's mouth open or Naruto would hold on to its mouth and not go in its belly.
Manda is literally fodder here. He'd get ripped off from inside before summoning is cancelled.
Also bfr is not even technically a win.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Man, it's common sense that manga can't escape to underground without a smokescreen. If he sheds his skin without distraction, Naruto would see him and shit on him with his own chakra arms. This strategy is never working. Even if it did, chakra arms would keep Manda's mouth open or Naruto would hold on to its mouth and not go in its belly.
Manda is literally fodder here. He'd get ripped off from inside before summoning is cancelled.
Also bfr is not even technically a win.

Manda would only slip underground if he uses a Bijuudama.

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. Even if that doesn't work

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to cause a smoke screen which would also provide Manda the distraction and means to escape underground.

4tails Naruto doesn't have the reaction feats to

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nor would it ever think of a strategy to hold Manda's mouth open since it's literally illiterate all it knows is to fight.

BDR does count as a win. If Obito warps someone he wins via BDR it's the same here when 4tailed Naruto is sent to Ryuchi cave.

 

[KidGamer65]

Something tells me your joking here right? Manda escapes underground where 4tailed Naruto wouldn't be able to see him. His skin still stands there since that was done in cannon you realize that right.

Which again, is irrelevant because he'd have to be fast enough to evade Bijuu Dama in the first place so why would he be fast enough to burrow underground.

That was a blast Bijuudama that's why it took longer but your a good debater so im pretty sure you already knew this. That's because Killer bee never used a blast Bijuudama after that which is why that charge time was never required again. Also regardless of how you try to justify it's slow charge up time it's cannonly shown that it takes more time than the 6 tails Bijuudama's. They can't stop 4tailed Naruto from using his Bijuudama? Lol i've explained to you that even if it gets off it's never going to land or do anything.

Lmao stop being daft. No shit it's cause it was a blast Bijuu Dama. The point of the matter is, Bijuu Dama does not need to be fired like that. It can be fired as a ball or it can be swallowed and released as a blast. That is a fact. The only difference between KN6 and KN4 is the amount of power. The workings of Bijuu Dama do not change.

And your explanations and strategies are all 100% trash.

BOLD Makes absolutely no sense. Dodging Orochimaru sword would be much easier than dodging Manda from swallowing you since it's a smaller object to evade. This is common sense here. If Manda comes out from under 4tailed Naruto with his mouth open this

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there is no way 4tailed Naruto is dodging that when it couldn't even dodge a blade. 4tailed Naruto is illiterate it would fall for almost any distraction thrown at it stop mention this thing as if it has any sort of common sense when it doesn't. Shedding it's skin and slipping underground confused non-illiterate opponents and somehow you think 4tailed Naruto would catch on?

Your right swallowing 4tailed Naruto is a weak strategy but as a friend of mine once said an cheap way of winning is still a win.

Are you stupid or something? Yes, a smaller object is easier to avoid if they are the same speed. But you've yet to actually show this so there's no reason for me to take your argument seriously. Your argument in a nutshell is "Manda catches him cause Oro did" even though you've yet to explain why that's the case. Oh yeah, and the dumb excuse that KN4 is a wild beast so it will let itself get caught. :lol Then we have the fact that Orochimaru's attack is far more of a sneak attack than an entire snake burrowing underground, so let's cut the crap now buddy.

-Manda goes underground.
-KN4 evades.
-Blows it up with Bijuu Dama.


It's a weak strategy that doesn't work. :lol Just like everything you've posted here. Please stop now. :lol If Manda tries to engage KN4 he gets wrecked in close combat. If he tries to run Bijuu Dama blows him to smithereens.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Which again, is irrelevant because he'd have to be fast enough to evade Bijuu Dama in the first place so why would he be fast enough to burrow underground.

To evade 4tailed Naruto Bijuudama you wouldn't have to be that fast at all. His Bijuudama feats are strictly given to him he can't use a Bijuudama like 4tailed Naruto since he cannonly doesn't have that feat what are you not getting about this.

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on top of all that someone like Jiraiya didn't see him go underground. The 4tails would never see him do it either. So stop arguing with the Manga.

Lmao stop being daft. No shit it's cause it was a blast Bijuu Dama. The point of the matter is, Bijuu Dama does not need to be fired like that. It can be fired as a ball or it can be swallowed and released as a blast. That is a fact. The only difference between KN6 and KN4 is the amount of power. The workings of Bijuu Dama do not change.

Your trying so hard to push this huh? To give the 4tails make believe feats. L0l im shutting this down once and for all.

• You mentioned Hachibi taking a longer time when he used his first Bijuudama and i completely shut you down by mentioning that it was a blast Bijuudama so you completely dropped that comparison.
  
  
• 4tails have no feat on firing a Bijuudama like a ball without swallowing it. Why? Because that was the 4tails Ball Bijuudama he shot at Orochimaru which means his ball form Bijuudama takes that long. Manga has made that clear yet you still try to deny it.
  
  
• The only difference is power? Lol so i guess the 4tails can shoot a Bijuudama barrage as well since the only difference between BM Kurama and 4tails cloak is the amount of chakra used. Do you see how dumb and illogical you sound here?

And your explanations and strategies are all 100% trash.

Your explanations are baseless and fanfic so stop.

Are you stupid or something? Yes, a smaller object is easier to avoid if they are the same speed. But you've yet to actually show this so there's no reason for me to take your argument seriously. Your argument in a nutshell is "Manda catches him cause Oro did" even though you've yet to explain why that's the case. Oh yeah, and the dumb excuse that KN4 is a wild beast so it will let itself get caught. :lol Then we have the fact that Orochimaru's attack is far more of a sneak attack than an entire snake burrowing underground, so let's cut the crap now buddy.

-Manda goes underground.
-KN4 evades.
-Blows it up with Bijuu Dama.

How would Orochimaru be faster than Manda underground? Nothing suggest that he is. Orochimaru can move underground via his snake like dna. Explain to me how a real Snake wouldn't move faster underground than some poser such as Orochimaru? You can't explain that and it's obvious. Once Manda emerges from the ground 4tailed Naruto is swallowed up his

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. How is it more sneak? Didn't Manda cannonly confuse and sneak attack Jiraiya who would have been swallowed up if it hadn't been for Tsunade coming to the rescue? If it can sneak up on Jiraiya someone who is actually smart have the basic concepts of common sense a wild beast like the 4nails is tricked up and caught.

Your argument in a nut shell(4Tails Naruto shoots his extremely fast TBB that no one can evade or dodge)STOP

It's a weak strategy that doesn't work. :lol Just like everything you've posted here. Please stop now. :lol If Manda tries to engage KN4 he gets wrecked in close combat. If he tries to run Bijuu Dama blows him to smithereens.

Side remarks that are off topic from the debate doesn't suggest that your winning just to let you know.

 

[KidGamer65]

To evade 4tailed Naruto Bijuudama you wouldn't have to be that fast at all. His Bijuudama feats are strictly given to him he can't use a Bijuudama like 4tailed Naruto since he cannonly doesn't have that feat what are you not getting about this.

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on top of all that someone like Jiraiya didn't see him go underground. The 4tails would never see him do it either. So stop arguing with the Manga.

Lmao how dumb are your posts going to get? It's a fact that Bijuu Dama can be fired as a ball or as a beam. The power of the user is irrelevant to how the technique itself actually works. And no, if you'd use what little brain power you have to actually read the Manga and use a tiny bit of common sense before you replied you would know that Jiraiya's Katon is what covered up the fact that Manda went underground. No such cover will be provided here so as usual your claims are left backed by nothing at all but your idiotic opinions.

Your trying so hard to push this huh? To give the 4tails make believe feats. L0l im shutting this down once and for all.

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  [*]You mentioned Hachibi taking a longer time when he used his first Bijuudama and i completely shut you down by mentioning that it was a blast Bijuudama so you completely dropped that comparison.
  
  
  [*]4tails have no feat on firing a Bijuudama like a ball without swallowing it. Why? Because that was the 4tails Ball Bijuudama he shot at Orochimaru which means his ball form Bijuudama takes that long. Manga has made that clear yet you still try to deny it.
  
• The only difference is power? Lol so i guess the 4tails can shoot a Bijuudama barrage as well since the only difference between BM Kurama and 4tails cloak is the amount of chakra used. Do you see how dumb and illogical you sound here?

First striked statement is irrelevant as already explained.

Second striked statement is you repeating the same defeated argument as above.

And the final idiotic statement is you failing to use logic, but given who I'm arguing with it's pretty unsurprising the amount of stupidity in these posts. Bijuu Dama barrages require more chakra than the regular Bijuu Dama. If you are going to make shitty ass comparisons do me a favor and make sure they actually matter to the discussion at hand. In summary:

-You don't need extra chakra or extra power to fire BD as a ball instead of swallowing it. You do in order to use more than 1 Bijuu Dama which is why your comparison is utter trash.

-You've yet to explain why KN4 can't do it besides the usual moronic "he fired it as a beam" argument which is refuted by the FACT it can be fired as a beam OR a ball.

Please reply with something even remotely intelligent next time if you want me to continue taking you seriously.

Your explanations are baseless and fanfic so stop.

How would Orochimaru be faster than Manda underground? Nothing suggest that he is. Orochimaru can move underground via his snake like dna. Explain to me how a real Snake wouldn't move faster underground than some poser such as Orochimaru? You can't explain that and it's obvious. Once Manda emerges from the ground 4tailed Naruto is swallowed up his

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. How is it more sneak? Didn't Manda cannonly confuse and sneak attack Jiraiya who would have been swallowed up if it hadn't been for Tsunade coming to the rescue? If it can sneak up on Jiraiya someone who is actually smart have the basic concepts of common sense a wild beast like the 4nails is tricked up and caught.

Your argument in a nut shell(4Tails Naruto shoots his extremely fast TBB that no one can evade or dodge)STOP

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Imagine being this stupid. So because Manda is a snake his underground attack will be faster than Orochimaru using Kusanagi? (The sword's extension was the speed part about Orochimaru's underground attack anyway so this comparison if yours is garbage) Please stop wasting both our time with these shit responses and get me some real speed feats or something that actually proves your point. Or simply don't reply.

And what? Oro can move underground due to snake like DNA? Where is this horseshit coming from? :lol My God.

Your foolish Jiraiya point has been addressed. What's worse is that despite having the cover of the flames it wasn't anywhere close to being a sneak attack since Jiraiya and Bunta saw Manda coming and blocked his initial attack. :lol Jesus. It's like you people purposely ignore the panels that demolish your arguments. Jiraiya and Bunta would've gotten killed because Manda attacked with his tail and then struck their back with his head, and since Bunta is busy holding the tail he can't do anything about the back attack.

Does this prove that KN4 gets blitzed? No, it doesn't. He reacts, swings at full power and blows this overrated ass snake away. Or he outright dodges.

Side remarks that are off topic from the debate doesn't suggest that your winning just to let you know.

The fact you've began to make shitty excuses in favor of arguing like you have common sense is why you aren't winning. :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

If I wanted to use this trash logic this clown is using, Bijuus 1-7 wouldn't be able to use a blast Bijuu Dama even though the only difference between a blast BD and ball BD is that the former is swallowed and then released, while that extra step isn't taken with the ball BD.

:lol :lol

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Lmao how dumb are your posts going to get? It's a fact that Bijuu Dama can be fired as a ball or as a beam. The power of the user is irrelevant to how the technique itself actually works. And no, if you'd use what little brain power you have to actually read the Manga and use a tiny bit of common sense before you replied you would know that Jiraiya's Katon is what covered up the fact that Manda went underground. No such cover will be provided here so as usual your claims are left backed by nothing at all but your idiotic opinions.

Yes and a ball Bijuudama is faster than the Beam Bijuudama and the Bijuudama that the 4tails shot

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. Which means that was the fastest it could shoot a Bijuudama. Stop giving it fanfic feats to justify your lack of a decent counter.

No Jiraiya fire didn't help Manda escape with their knowledge. Manda's body will be on the ground which means he can slip out of his body right into the ground similar to what

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. Manda doesn't need a distraction or nothing to cover it when it can slip through it's skin and proceed to go underground just like that. The illiterate 4tailed Naruto would just send a Bijuudama towards the still skin.

And the final idiotic statement is you failing to use logic, but given who I'm arguing with it's pretty unsurprising the amount of stupidity in these posts. Bijuu Dama barrages require more chakra than the regular Bijuu Dama. If you are going to make shitty ass comparisons do me a favor and make sure they actually matter to the discussion at hand. In summary:

Garbage argument.

The Bijuudama power is dependent on the amount of chakra being used by the Bijuu or cloak being presented. Obviously the 4tails Naruto Bijuudama would take away the same amount chakra according the it's proportion that it's given.

Let's say a Bijuudama takes away 5 percent of Kurama's total chakra the same thing would amount here the 4tails Bijuudama takes away 5 percent of the 4tails chakra. This would also explain why the 4tails Bijuudama is much weaker than BM Kurama Bijuudama. The logic your applying here is that the 4 tails can use any Bijuudama that the more advanced versions of Kurama chakra has displayed. So by this same logic the 4tails would be able to use a Bijuudama barrage proportionate to it's chakra. Which is wrong so drop the argument.

-You don't need extra chakra or extra power to fire BD as a ball instead of swallowing it. You do in order to use more than 1 Bijuu Dama which is why your comparison is utter trash.

-You've yet to explain why KN4 can't do it besides the usual moronic "he fired it as a beam" argument which is refuted by the FACT it can be fired as a beam OR a ball.

Please reply with something even remotely intelligent next time if you want me to continue taking you seriously.

Except your wrong here also. 4tails showed that it absolutely needs to swallow it's Bijuudama to use it.

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while using a Bijuudama should let you know it's control over using one isn't as potent as the six tails why can't you understand this? It didn't fire a beam Bijuudama that was a ball Bijuudama clearly.

Imagine being this stupid. So because Manda is a snake his underground attack will be faster than Orochimaru using Kusanagi? (The sword's extension was the speed part about Orochimaru's underground attack anyway so this comparison if yours is garbage) Please stop wasting both our time with these shit responses and get me some real speed feats or something that actually proves your point. Or simply don't reply.

And what? Oro can move underground due to snake like DNA? Where is this horseshit coming from? :lol My God.

Manda feats of undeground swimming is more impressive than Orochimaru and even if you argue that it's not you can't prove that it's slower either. Which would mean there on the same level and that would mean that he gets ate By Manda once he emerges since he'll emerge and surprise him the exact same manor that Orochimaru did.

Your foolish Jiraiya point has been addressed. What's worse is that despite having the cover of the flames it wasn't anywhere close to being a sneak attack since Jiraiya and Bunta saw Manda coming and blocked his initial attack. :lol Jesus. It's like you people purposely ignore the panels that demolish your arguments. Jiraiya and Bunta would've gotten killed because Manda attacked with his tail and then struck their back with his head, and since Bunta is busy holding the tail he can't do anything about the back attack.

Manda initial tail was a distraction you fool. Manda made the dirt trail in the ground for them to focus their attention on that while he stuck up a ate them from the behide. This is obvious because Manda head pasted them underground without making the same dirt trail towards them. Don't try and say that the dirt trail was from Manda's head either when

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Does this prove that KN4 gets blitzed? No, it doesn't. He reacts, swings at full power and blows this overrated ass snake away. Or he outright dodges.
The fact you've began to make shitty excuses in favor of arguing like you have common sense is why you aren't winning. :lol

Couldn't react to Orochimaru surprise attack but he's reacting to Manda's? He dodges? 4tailed Naruto didn't attempt to dodge anything the entire fight it won't change it's beastly attitude now.

Admit it you lost this debate.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

If I wanted to use this trash logic this clown is using, Bijuus 1-7 wouldn't be able to use a blast Bijuu Dama even though the only difference between a blast BD and ball BD is that the former is swallowed and then released, while that extra step isn't taken with the ball BD.

:lol :lol

If im correct weren't you the same person claiming the other Bijuu couldn't use a Bijuudama barrage? Don't make me do my research.