It makes perfect sense. If you read my discussion with Jinrou you would understand this. Lightning > Magnetic chakra, as the curie temperature for iron sand would be reached causing demagnetization (i.e. causing the iron sand to dissimulate).
Chidori Nagashi's chakra not being potent is obviously speculation, though it can inherently be argued that it is when just the simple application sent Naruto & co. flying backwards.
If Nagashi was that hot it would have burned the hell out of both Sai and Naruto, its a jutsu that merely paralyzes nerves meaning the lightning again isn't very potent because it doesn't electrocute anything besides the nerves it touches :lol it would never deal any more damage than that. So why you're even trying to argue this when the scan you just referred to should make it clear that its not overheating anything is dumb.
Not to mention even if it did de-magnetize the IS it wouldn't matter as the force would already be applied and he'd be stuck looking like an idiot until the IS impales him.
If all it took was Katon to defuse the IS than the 3rd Kazekage would not have been called the strongest shinobi from the sand :lol
If Nagashi was that hot it would have burned the hell out of both Sai and Naruto, its a jutsu that merely paralyzes nerves meaning the lightning again isn't very potent because it doesn't electrocute anything besides the nerves it touches :lol it would never deal any more damage than that. So why you're even trying to argue this when the scan you just referred to should make it clear that its not overheating anything is dumb.
Not to mention even if it did de-magnetize the IS it wouldn't matter as the force would already be applied and he'd be stuck looking like an idiot until the IS impales him.
If all it took was Katon to defuse the IS than the 3rd Kazekage would not have been called the strongest shinobi from the sand :lol
Your reply shows you didn't read my discussion with Jinrou. We cannot apply complete real world logic to the Naruto world on the pretenses: We do not know the curie point of Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand, and we don't know how hot lightning chakra on average is.
We can however, apply partial real world logic to the Naruto world in this case on the pretense: Kishimoto implicates real world logic (e.g. Water > Fire, and Wind > Lightning). Lightning > Magnetism.
The Iron Sand will temporarily be demagnetized, until Sasori reapplies Sandaime Kazekage's chakra to re-magnetize the Iron Sand, though in that short window, Sasuke would've already taken care of Sasori. Sharingan precognition, as well its visual prowess to see the color of chakra would allow Sasuke to close the short distance, and strike at Sasori's core.
On a side note, leaving Chidori Nagashi active would be a simple feat, acting as an aura of protection against any Iron Sand assaults Sasori attempts to subdue Sasuke with. This is a mismatch.
I don't give a damn about his Shunshin speed because his normal speed is still >>>>>>>> Sakura CLEARLY, he got tagged by the bombs because he couldn't move due to the mines, and even then he avoided major damage with reactions just fine. Base IS attacks aren't touching Sasuke and Sasori air-born is like a bird with one wing PITIFUL and if he goes airborn that makes this easier.
lol CHiyo made sakura dodge and even live that long so please stop saying sakura dodged them, let alone a not serious sasori. You have zero idea how puppet users work after all these years of being a "fan" of sasori! lmao Sasuke seen all the mines so that isnt an argument, and was hit by slower bombs (fact). Diedara being ari born gave sasuke hella probelms (fact)! Sasori is immune to his genjutsu so the same tactics that caught deidara will never suffice!
Sasuke speed is zero probelms for a puppet user of his level! Air born eguals GG, this isn't even that hard to argue when sasori is debated against Itachi and his susanoo let alone a weaker sharingan user with a even worse match up.
lol CHiyo made sakura dodge and even live that long so please stop saying sakura dodged them, let alone a not serious sasori. You have zero idea how puppet users work after all these years of being a "fan" of sasori! lmao Sasuke seen all the mines so that isnt an argument, and was hit by slower bombs (fact). Diedara being ari born gave sasuke hella probelms (fact)! Sasori is immune to his genjutsu so the same tactics that caught deidara will never suffice!
Sasuke speed is zero probelms for a puppet user of his level! Air born eguals GG, this isn't even that hard to argue when sasori is debated against Itachi and his susanoo let alone a weaker sharingan user with a even worse match up.
Your reply shows you didn't read my discussion with Jinrou. We cannot apply complete real world logic to the Naruto world on the pretenses: We do not know the curie point of Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand, and we don't know how hot lightning chakra on average is.
We can however, apply partial real world logic to the Naruto world in this case on the pretense: Kishimoto implicates real world logic (e.g. Water > Fire, and Wind > Lightning). Lightning > Magnetism.
The Iron Sand will temporarily be demagnetized, until Sasori reapplies Sandaime Kazekage's chakra to re-magnetize the Iron Sand, though in that short window, Sasuke would've already taken care of Sasori. Sharingan precognition, as well its visual prowess to see the color of chakra would allow Sasuke to close the short distance, and strike at Sasori's core.
On a side note, leaving Chidori Nagashi active would be a simple feat, acting as an aura of protection against any Iron Sand assaults Sasori attempts to subdue Sasuke with. This is a mismatch.
Kishi never implied Raiton>Magnetism in fact in one of the novels they're used in tandem I believe. So this is just you being bias as all hell and picking and choosing when to apply real life logic.
No if he uses Nagashi (which only goes around his body) the magnetic force throws the IS in weapons so the force sending them forward would hold them in shape and thus still pierce Sasuke. This force is ridiculously greater than siimply tossing sand around so don't compare it here, the shape will remain.
He can't leave Nagashi active as he has no feats of such.
lol CHiyo made sakura dodge and even live that long so please stop saying sakura dodged them, let alone a not serious sasori. You have zero idea how puppet users work after all these years of being a "fan" of sasori! lmao Sasuke seen all the mines so that isnt an argument, and was hit by slower bombs (fact). Diedara being ari born gave sasuke hella probelms (fact)! Sasori is immune to his genjutsu so the same tactics that caught deidara will never suffice!
Sasuke speed is zero probelms for a puppet user of his level! Air born eguals GG, this isn't even that hard to argue when sasori is debated against Itachi and his susanoo let alone a weaker sharingan user with a even worse match up.
Its cool you brought up Chiyo because Sasuke's speed and reactions still >>> her's. Sasuke saw the mines but they were still there....meaning he couldn't just Shunshin away please try and use some common sense as after all this time on the base you still don't have any.
Did you just compare Deidara airborne to Sasori who couldn't control what his IS did after it took flight? LMFAO You've showcased stupidity before but this is an all time high.
Kishi never implied Raiton>Magnetism in fact in one of the novels they're used in tandem I believe. So this is just you being bias as all hell and picking and choosing when to apply real life logic.
No if he uses Nagashi (which only goes around his body) the magnetic force throws the IS in weapons so the force sending them forward would hold them in shape and thus still pierce Sasuke. This force is ridiculously greater than siimply tossing sand around so don't compare it here, the shape will remain.
He can't leave Nagashi active as he has no feats of such.
Because implication needs to be made to understand that Raiton > Jiton, when Jiton is composed of both wind, and earth components correct? Take away wind, and it insulates the lightning leaving earth chakra. Earth chakra alone cannot manipulate Iron Sand vice-versa.
Using novel feats, are you being serious right now? Even then, show me an entry of where this is stated. Though I don't condone novel feats, unless the thread specifically states they're in use.
The bold/underlined makes absolutely no sense. Once its demagnetized by Chidori Nagashi, there is no form/shape. It'll have to be reshaped, and the momentum reapplied to cause any harm to Sasuke; regardless, Nagashi would render reapplications of Iron Sand useless on the same premise (i.e. demagnetization).
You claim Chidori Nagashi cannot remain active, yet its a simple stream of lightning chakra being exuded from his body in the same manner as what the Hyuga clan do (e.g. Kaiten). As well, Sasuke channels raiton chakra through Kusanagi which is the same application as ejecting chakra around himself. That is incredibly stupid logic.
Canonically, lightning chakra has never shown magnetic properties, so we can't infer that such is possible by manga protrayal. Even then, if that were the case, the two magnetic properties would attempt to fight for superiority (Jiton (Earth + Wind) + Raiton). Lightning > Earth, which would cause the magnetic field to cease seeing as Earth, nor Wind alone can genetically makeup Jiton solely.
Lightning > Magnetism chakra, this can further be implicated due to Kishimto involving real world logic (e.g. Water > Fire, and Wind > Lightning). Lightning can reach up to temperatures of roughly 30,000 kelvins (53,540 degrees Fahrenheit), while an iron magnet's curie temperature is 1,043 kelvins (1,417 Fahrenheit).
I see in another post you say we can't bring real world logic into the manga but doesn't bringing up the curie point which quite frankly is a real world logic too contradict this?
Also you say the lightning will battle it out with the sand for magnetic superiority and in the worst case cancel out the magnetism which doesn't seem plausible at all.
PS I'm only here to discuss the demagnetizing point and tbh I doubt chidori or any of its variants can do that as they've not really shown any heating damages on a level of a 1000F I can recollect. Kirin might stand a better chance but even then I'm not entirely sold it'll cancel out the magnetism.
I see in another post you say we can't bring real world logic into the manga but doesn't bringing up the curie point which quite frankly is a real world logic too contradict this?
Also you say the lightning will battle it out with the sand for magnetic superiority and in the worst case cancel out the magnetism which doesn't seem plausible at all.
PS I'm only here to discuss the demagnetizing point and tbh I doubt chidori or any of its variants can do that as they've not really shown any heating damages on a level of a 1000F I can recollect. Kirin might stand a better chance but even then I'm not entirely sold it'll cancel out the magnetism.
I've never said the bold/underlined. Complete real world logic cannot be applied all the time to Naruto events, this is fact. You have to pick when, and where to use real world logic to the fullest extent. It isn't a bias game, it's more of where does it makes sense most to apply real world logic to the Naruto world.
It doesn't matter what you see as plausible or not, by manga portrayal it would happen because we've seen on multiple occasions x > y in regards to elemental superiority. You can deny, but then you'd be denying canon.
As I stated three times now, we do not know the curie point of Iron Sand, nor do we know the temperature of lightning chakra. That's why we can only use the real world logic Kishimoto has implicated (e.g. Water > Fire, Wind > Lightning, Earth > Water) to infer the plausible outcome to lightning, and Iron Sand's interaction with each other.
Its cool you brought up Chiyo because Sasuke's speed and reactions still >>> her's. Sasuke saw the mines but they were still there....meaning he couldn't just Shunshin away please try and use some common sense as after all this time on the base you still don't have any.
Did you just compare Deidara airborne to Sasori who couldn't control what his IS did after it took flight? LMFAO You've showcased stupidity before but this is an all time high.
You've never been a good fan of sasori ever (im sure someone can look up your record on the site). You've always been a piss poor akatsuki supporter that piggy backs.
Again, you know nothing about puppet users the fact you brought up chiyo's speed. lmao that is literally puppet 101! And also fail to realize how the sharigan would work in this fight let alone sharingan basics. To predict, he would need to read muscle movements, sasori would never leave his hands exposed when fighting an uchiha (that everyone knows how they fight). He would be using basic instincts (which he is good at) to dodge/avoid.
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This was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before the land mines and yet he was still tagged when he was the first one to advance upon tobi and deidara (Fact). Try again akatsuki "fan"
The landmines being there meant nothing overall seing he had the ability to see them and move away from there location! He knew where he could run and not run, nor did he care once he seen where they were (
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) Sasuke's entire plan from the start was to figure out if his lightning defuses the bombs and how to get deidara off that damn dragon (since he can fire off bombs before sasuke can move in the air.
Then you say sasori couldn't control his iron sand after it took flight?
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What the hell are you even read? Clearly he controls his iron sand perfectly and makes it float in mid air. Are you seriously saying his sand is not air born when the manga literally shows it floating in.... AIR!?! lMAO Just stop! He can move his iron sand past the speed of sound casually,a nd thus he himself can move at the speed of sound casually thanks to his iron sand.
Everything else is spot on. But this portion doesn't make as much sense. Smaller objects are easier to manipulate through magnetic force, while larger constructs are much more complex. If he could've manipulated his Iron Sand with the same force/properties as he did the needles he would've.
This doesn't refute the fact, that Sasori is quite possibly able to attain an aerial state on Iron Sand.
Tangible factors such as speed, reflexes and durability are present. We don't need to hang around a loose scientific theory as Sasuke wins comfortably.
We have to also take into consideration that Sasori starts in Hiruko; giving Sasuke an easier win. If Sasori started base with Sandaime Kazekage this fight would be substantially more difficult.
Tangible factors such as speed, reflexes and durability are present. We don't need to hang around a loose scientific theory as Sasuke wins comfortably.
It isn't impossible to prove when in the real world electricity demagnetizes, as well in this manga Iron Sand is composed of a chakra nature weak to lightning chakra (i.e. earth chakra). When lightning makes contact with the Iron Sand one of the present chakras that genetically makeup the element is disrupted:
If contact is made with the earth chakra, wind is left; wind cannot manipulate Iron Sand solely.
If contact is made with wind chakra, earth is left; earth cannot manipulate Iron Sand solely.
Nothing, but fact is proposed here, manga protrayal proves element superiority is present. This is no different.
