3t Madara vs MS Itachi

[KidGamer65]

Can you give me some feats of Itachi running around with Susano'o active? That would be great.

@Bold

Wow, that's amazing. I wasn't aware that you had the ability to tell time from still panels that barely show movement. I'm curious as to what reference point you're using to arrive at this number?

Ribcage doesn't hinder movement. V2 does. There isn't even anything in this Manga that'd lead you to believe Itachi couldn't move normally with Ribcage on so if that's a notion you want to argue I suggest you provide some reasoning for it. That would be very helpful. :lol

Nope. Just a tiny bit of critical thinking. You guys should try using it sometime, then we wouldn't be arguing whether or not Madara w/o MS takes on full power Itachi. :lol. In between Kirin's use and the end of the fight the following events transpired:

-Itachi speaks to Sasuke.
-Orochimaru breaks free.
-Itachi fights the Hydra.
-Orochimaru rambles on.
-Itachi finishes him.

Then we have Itachi walking towards Sasuke slowly, Sasuke attacking with his Kunai explosives and his sword. 10 minutes might be a stretch, but there's no way anyone with a shred of common sense will say all that occurred in a time span far off from 5 minutes.

 

[Booker]

Ribcage doesn't hinder movement. V2 does. There isn't even anything in this Manga that'd lead you to believe Itachi couldn't move normally with Ribcage on so if that's a notion you want to argue I suggest you provide some reasoning for it. That would be very helpful. :lol

Nope. Just a tiny bit of critical thinking. You guys should try using it sometime, then we wouldn't be arguing whether or not Madara w/o MS takes on full power Itachi. :lol. In between Kirin's use and the end of the fight the following events transpired:

-Itachi speaks to Sasuke.
-Orochimaru breaks free.
-Itachi fights the Hydra.
-Orochimaru rambles on.
-Itachi finishes him.

Then we have Itachi walking towards Sasuke slowly, Sasuke attacking with his Kunai explosives and his sword. 10 minutes might be a stretch, but there's no way anyone with a shred of common sense will say all that occurred in a time span far off from 5 minutes.

I'm not arguing that Susano'o restricts movement, we've seen Itachi at full health blitz with it. My sticking point is that Itachi when plagued with AIDs has zero feats with any version of Susano'o where he can do little more than hobbling. One could argue that Itachi was drained at that point and that his movement wouldn't be as slow with just ribcage, but at that point it's just speculation. How much faster would he be? We could make up any arbitrary number we wanted at that point. I don't think that AIDs Itachi with any form of Susano'o will be fast enough to tag Madara, regardless if he's initially faster from having larger reserves. If this were healthy Itachi and he had his Edo Tensei feats, I would agree that this is a stomp.

I'm also still debating whether or not Madara can sense and block Amaterasu with the Fan. Last night I was pretty confident in that but now I'm not so sure, so I do think Itachi likely wins regardless.

I agree with 5 minutes, I thought 10 minutes was really stretching it. Generally I go by how long it takes me to read the events transpiring.

 

[RedRobin]

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Except having susano up for that period of time ends up killing Itachi. So if actually plans on winning and walking away from the battle then its not possible to keep it up that long.

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Even Ribcage is painful after using susano for some time. In this scan Sasuke is healthy so it would be worse for Itachi.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not arguing that Susano'o restricts movement, we've seen Itachi at full health blitz with it. My sticking point is that Itachi when plagued with AIDs has zero feats with any version of Susano'o where he can do little more than hobbling. One could argue that Itachi was drained at that point and that his movement wouldn't be as slow with just ribcage, but at that point it's just speculation. How much faster would he be? We could make up any arbitrary number we wanted at that point. I don't think that AIDs Itachi with any form of Susano'o will be fast enough to tag Madara, regardless if he's initially faster from having larger reserves. If this were healthy Itachi and he had his Edo Tensei feats, I would agree that this is a stomp.

I'm also still debating whether or not Madara can sense and block Amaterasu with the Fan. Last night I was pretty confident in that but now I'm not so sure, so I do think Itachi likely wins regardless.

I agree with 5 minutes, I thought 10 minutes was really stretching it. Generally I go by how long it takes me to read the events transpiring.

Unless Itachi's stamina has been drained to the point it was in the Manga, or rather anywhere near that point, there is no reason to argue that he'd be any slower than he would be normally. Especially since he was barely able to move w/ a V3-4 Susanoo when he was on death's door. Not a Ribcage while at full stamina (for him anyway) which is all that is needed here. Madara being able to Shunshin fast enough to catch SM Naruto off guard doesn't mean he'll dodge any and all of Itachi's attacks for the entire duration of the match. Shunshin is a burst of movement. That's why people like Naruto, with extremely fast Shunshin still get tagged in battle by people like:

-Obito
-Jinchuuriki
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EMS Madara can't sense chakra IIRC but I think he'd be able to block with his fan simply because the bleeding eye gives him away.

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Except having susano up for that period of time ends up killing Itachi. So if actually plans on winning and walking away from the battle then its not possible to keep it up that long.

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Even Ribcage is painful after using susano for some time. In this scan Sasuke is healthy so it would be worse for Itachi.

Well obviously it's painful to hold it, but does that change anything that I said above? Not really. He can't hold any version for an extremely long time, but if on death's door he can hold up V3-4 for around 5 min give or take then there's no way he's dropping from a Ribcage, V2 at the very most, when at full power.

 

[The Messiah]

You guys keep saying "Itachi can't hold Susanoo long" as if he needs to hold it long against a Madara who can't do anything to stop it in the first place. :lol If the argument here is "Madara runs around Susanoo until Itachi tires out" then you can stop now. Madara hasn't shown the speed to evade Itachi long enough for him to actually tire the latter out either. With a Shunshin he was able to catch SM Naruto off guard. That's not speed that lets him do what I know you people are thinking he'll be able to do, and that's Shunshin, a burst of speed. Not continuous movement. :lol That's why KCM Naruto gets tagged by people who can't match his Shunshin speed.

Itachi after using Amaterasu multiple times, using Tsukuyomi and having it broken along with other jutsu was still able to hold a level 3 and 4 Susanoo up for around 5-10 minutes. Itachi doesn't need anything above Ribcage to deal with Madara. V2 and up is massive overkill. And Sasuke outperforming a holding back Itachi isn't something worth mentioning here.


Itachi engages Madara and then crushes him low difficulty. No 3-Tomoe user without a special subset of abilities is going to take out any MS user who can use Susanoo and Amaterasu.

How would you know he held up susanoo for 5-10 minutes.

Also he has no impressive mobility feats with his susanoo.

 

[00Rinne]

Not a fair bout! You give Madara all his weapons but not godtachi an you give him his sick stats...

 

[KidGamer65]

How would you know he held up susanoo for 5-10 minutes.

Also he has no impressive mobility feats with his susanoo.

Lmao just read above.

 

[The Messiah]

Not a fair bout! You give Madara all his weapons but not godtachi an you give him his sick stats...

It's obviously not unfair if there are legit ways for Itachi to win. If I made it healthy Itachi it would be a complete stomp.

 

[00Rinne]

It's obviously not unfair if there are legit ways for Itachi to win. If I made it healthy Itachi it would be a complete stomp.

godtachi still wins but the way you placed the bout Madara would have a better chance at winning.. I'd want to have it equal.. More power doesn't aways mean a win but it's a high possibility that they will with no restrictions. smell me?

I honestly think MS godtachi could take on MS Madara if they are under fair/square circumstances.. (godtachi not being sick)

But!! you could never put them on the same lvl in all the states that they go through because it's the way the powers scales are.. It's just too different from each other..

Godtachi is sick so no matter what forms we use the bouts won't be fair/square so we'd use what we know...

Fair/square bout with godtachi not sick then he takes this but it just won't be fair because he is made a sick character..

Sorry for the rant!! Just my opinion...

 

[BLAZE]

godtachi still wins but the way you placed the bout Madara would have a better chance at winning.. I'd want to have it equal.. More power doesn't aways mean a win but it's a high possibility that they will with no restrictions. smell me?

I honestly think MS godtachi could take on MS Madara if they are under fair/square circumstances.. (godtachi not being sick)

But!! you could never put them on the same lvl in all the states that they go through because it's the way the powers scales are.. It's just too different from each other..

Godtachi is sick so no matter what forms we use the bouts won't be fair/square so we'd use what we know...

Fair/square bout with godtachi not sick then he takes this but it just won't be fair because he is made a sick character..

Sorry for the rant!! Just my opinion...

well Fair /Square Godtachi is sick of u trying to blow him :lol

Edit: how is madara defeating susanoo here

 

[Warlocks]

MS>>>>>>>3T

 

[The Messiah]

godtachi still wins but the way you placed the bout Madara would have a better chance at winning.. I'd want to have it equal.. More power doesn't aways mean a win but it's a high possibility that they will with no restrictions. smell me?

I honestly think MS godtachi could take on MS Madara if they are under fair/square circumstances.. (godtachi not being sick)

But!! you could never put them on the same lvl in all the states that they go through because it's the way the powers scales are.. It's just too different from each other..

Godtachi is sick so no matter what forms we use the bouts won't be fair/square so we'd use what we know...

Fair/square bout with godtachi not sick then he takes this but it just won't be fair because he is made a sick character..

Sorry for the rant!! Just my opinion...

If he still wins what's unfair about it ?

 

[Oblivionx]

Lol @ madara blocking amaterasu with fan. Ay needed v2 to avoid it if i remember correctly. And even if madara somehow blocks it one time can't itachi just look at some part of his body fan isn't covering? Or what will happen the 2nd time when fan will be burnt. Just because itachi didn't one shot sasuke, people seem to forget the speed at which amaterasu spans at target and without some kind of danger sensing, 3T ninja are avoiding it now.

 

[Unorthodox]

Lol @ madara blocking amaterasu with fan. Ay needed v2 to avoid it

Because blocking is as hard a dodging tsk lol dumbass.

 

[Oblivionx]

Because blocking is as hard a dodging tsk lol dumbass.

so madara can dodge something that Ay needed v2 for? lol by this logic kakashi dodges amaterasu, minato dodges it on foot, bee dodges it and many more i can name. Do they all dodge it then? Where are madara's speed feats that allow him to dodge amaterasu? I'll wait.

 

[Unorthodox]

so madara can dodge something that Ay needed v2 for? lol by this logic kakashi dodges amaterasu, minato dodges it on foot, bee dodges it and many more i can name. Do they all dodge it then? Where are madara's speed feats that allow him to dodge amaterasu? I'll wait.

Never said Madara dodges i said blocks. And i never said Madara himself could block it my counter to amaterasu was he would absorb you dumb af right now

 

[Oblivionx]

Never said Madara dodges i said blocks. And i never said Madara himself could block it my counter to amaterasu was he would absorb you dumb af right now

3T madara absorbs amaterasu

 

[Unorthodox]

3T madara absorbs amaterasu

Blind Madara did.

 

[Oblivionx]

Blind Madara did.

Lol so you are using 3T madra who has unlocked MS and can use susano and rinnegan paths. Lol obviously that madara stomps itachi jus like itachi stomps this match up. And reread the op. He even quoted you on your 1st response telling you that this is simple 3T madara so no rinnegan perks or MS perks.

 

[Unorthodox]

Lol so you are using 3T madra who has unlocked MS and can use susano and rinnegan paths. Lol obviously that madara stomps itachi jus like itachi stomps this match up. And reread the op. He even quoted you on your 1st response telling you that this is simple 3T madara so no rinnegan perks or MS perks.

Except that was not the rinnegan Madara. However if its just standard 3 tomoe Madara amaterasu 1 shots.