DMS Kakashi & BM Minato vs Madara & Hashirama

[Lord Tywin]

Based off absolutely nothing like saying since Sasuke got the rikudou chakra him taking the bijuu chakra would not amp his susanoo but it did in canon so your wrong af this salty ass logic. 1 chakra being stronger does not mean a lesser chakra would fail to amp someone unless you can probide proof? Only how your logic would work as if the amper was trying to user their own chakra on them-selfs and this is not the case.

Naruto got chakra from the bijuus, yet he still wasn't enhanced by them. This is before he got rikudo's chakra.

Yes it it Hashirama arms we're vaporized in the vote explosion by standard tbbs and it's not like the attack of multiple bijuu damas was combined they we're all seperate meaning by they're lonely they could damage SS Arms a flash Bijuu dama of this size

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warped right next to ss would cause damage and this can be done easily by Minato with Kakashi's iso susanoo over his chakra arms

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just warp it right near them and it will already come out in it's explosive form so they is not a chance of them throwing it back.

I knew you had skull fracture but damn. Full Kurama's flass tb>>>>half kurama, both in size and quantity. You dumb af for saying minato can make flash bd the size of that. Not that it matters even if he could because he still can't get rid of SS.

He's Bijuu damas are inferior and not with the strategy i employed or simple flying around nuking them as well.

Your strategy is trash

Sasuke casted amaterasu through susanoo it has the same mechanics of kamui just you need eye sight in focus which Kakashi clearly gets here.

Id like to see Sasuke using Amaterasu while in Ps. Don't mention rinnegan Sasuke, he's tiers above Kakashi

He needed them because they we're coming right at him and he wanted to warp them away he never gets in Hashirama's range and if he do he goes untangible then gets his distance or Minato warps them back with ftg pick your poison. Kamui shurikens are not even needed here Kakashi shockwaves > Madara's so your point is not a point at all a clone could bull kamui right through Madara susanoo diamond the slash him apart with Kamui raikiri. Kakashi does solo this.

So are SS hands. Both techniques teleport objects to kamui dimension :lol at Kakashi's sword swipes being >Madara's. I'd like to see feats instead of unsupported bullshit
Kakashi solos in Fanficland

 

[Unorthodox]

Naruto got chakra from the bijuus, yet he still wasn't enhanced by them. This is before he got rikudo's chakra.

Because Naruto did not know how to use they're chakra you see once he got his buff he could use they're power with no problem and the case is different that's internal chakra boost no an external one like what a cloak would do for Kakashi and what the bijuu chakra did to Sasuke's susanoo so your post still falls flat you did not debunk a single thing i said.

I knew you had skull fracture but damn. Full Kurama's flass tb>>>>half kurama, both in size and quantity. You dumb af for saying minato can make flash bd the size of that. Not that it matters even if he could because he still can't get rid of SS.

Jin Kurama => Full Kurama in power output Bijuu's with jins are nothing impressive safe for Kurama and it's showing only proves it can output more Damas then the latter. Kurama is Kurama why can't Minato's Kurama use a Flash bijuu dama of that level? Full Kurama FBD being stronger is irrelevant and baseless considering Minato would not be striking Kurama head up to began with when My strategy shows he can use FBD right in between the latter. No one said one will get rid of SS but multiple will so my point still remains.

Id like to see Sasuke using Amaterasu while in Ps. Don't mention rinnegan Sasuke, he's tiers above Kakashi

You know you have a losing argument when you resort to shit like this. I like to see SS throw back a Flash BD i Like to see Full Kurama under Genjutsu use Flash Bijuu dama. See how ridiculous that sounds if Sasuke could use it in a lower form a susanoo using a higher form is no problem safe for chakra which is not an issue here so my point remains. Sasuke did this in his MS form

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Him doing it in any other form only makes it easier and DMS Kakashi is tiers above that version of Sasuke and is Not tiers below Rinnegan Sasuke just a tier so sorry to burst your bubble dumbass. Kakashi gets his cloak and proceeds to spamm Juubi sized Kamui's which destroys the duo negative difficulty.

So are SS hands. Both techniques teleport objects to kamui dimension

This post is useless considering this does not counter my argument in any shape or form you argued for him needed Kamui shuriken on Her cat hands i replied with him getting out of range so this post is dumb af.

lol at Kakashi's sword swipes being >Madara's. I'd like to see feats instead of unsupported bullshit

Lol at yourself a V3 susanoo went from v3 susanoo level to BSM Kurama level with a Kurama cloak which is not even close to the power of Hagoromo's chakra you give a v4 susanoo that Hagoromo buff it turns to a much more powerful PS then any normal ems user can muster up them-selfs unless Madara chakra is stronger than Kakashi's plus Hagoromo's which its not thus giving Kakashi the superior Susanoo. Feats are not needed when Logic trumps your stupid thoughts.

Kakashi solos in Fanficland

Shut your dumbass up.

 

[Edogawa]

The only winnable scenario is 3, because with the Rinnegan's access to gravity, Kamui becomes useless as powerful gravity affects space-time in case of ST and Kamui. Any Kamui wrap would be futile. If Madara is inflicted with wound by any chance, he just heals with Naraka Path. Overall, Rinnegan is superior to Mangekyou so Madara is the victor. I'm not including Hashirama and Minato, because of how useless they are, with Hashirama being the bigger one, in this matchup.

Kakashi solos scenario 1 and 2. It's nice to have a huge fire-power, but it's pointless when you can't hit an intangible opponent. All Kakashi has to do is teleport close to Hashirama and Madara, then follows it up with Kamui-Raikiri - something the all-powerful Kaguya couldn't do anything to. Hashirama might even survive because of his regenerative prowess, but he's slaughtered to pieces leaving him immobolized, which counts as victory.

Although there are certain fallacies, which need to be addressed as I am participating in this thread.

1. Shinsuusenju is bigger than PS. You can analyze this

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which shows how Jubi is relative to PS and SM Mokujin in size, and how SM Mokujin is proportional to Shinsuusenju in this

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. The library janitor called KidGamer65 is, for once in his pathetic life, correct.

2. Biju Mode Minato > Kurama whether it's 50% or 100%. Both Kurama at percentage stage are equal in size, as the author drew how 100% Kurama is proportional to the rest of Biju and Gamabunta in size, so any panel drawn out of consistency is irrelevant. Minato is able to mold his own teleportation power with Kurama, allowing him to teleport his TBB to any desired location, something Kurama can't do even if tamed by Madara.

 

[Unorthodox]

The library janitor called KidGamer65 is, for once in his pathetic life, correct.

Lol..........

 

[Edogawa]

Lol at yourself a V3 susanoo went from v3 susanoo level to BSM Kurama level with a Kurama cloak which is not even close to the power of Hagoromo's chakra you give a v4 susanoo that Hagoromo buff it turns to a much more powerful PS then any normal ems user can muster up them-selfs unless Madara chakra is stronger than Kakashi's plus Hagoromo's which its not thus giving Kakashi the superior Susanoo. Feats are not needed when Logic trumps your stupid thoughts.

While I agree with your conclusion, this part itself has fallacy. The fraction of Chakra Kakashi got from Hagoromo's had quantitative properties, which enabled him to manifest PS; how do you know that fraction had qualitative over Madara's own Chakra? In other words, is there a proof that the small Rikudou's Chakra Kakashi got is stronger than Madara's Chakra?

 

[Unorthodox]

While I agree with your conclusion, this part itself has fallacy. The fraction of Chakra Kakashi got from Hagoromo's had quantitative properties, which enabled him to manifest PS; how do you know that fraction had qualitative over Madara's own Chakra? In other words, is there a proof that the small Rikudou's Chakra Kakashi got is stronger than Madara's Chakra?

Well because that chakra he got was enough for him to use Perfect susanoo even though he only had MS which should tell you that the chakra he got was much more powerful than Madara's own chakra.

 

[Edogawa]

Lol..........

I do remember he told me that his job in the library is cleaning dirt. You can ask him.

 

[Edogawa]

Well because that chakra he got was enough for him to use Perfect susanoo even though he only had MS which should tell you that the chakra he got was much more powerful than Madara's own chakra.

For one, PS isn't achievable by EMS. For two, the Chakra Kakashi got didn't have qualitative properties, meaning it's most likely weaker than Madara's. Just because something has ''Rikudou'' doesn't make it superior to anything.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Just to let you know how trash of a poster you are. Maybe you should try typing with both your hands on the keyboard instead of one of them in your pants salivating and foaming at the mouth to a scan of Kakashi. :lol

Unless you want to be ****ed twice a day ,stop quoting me kid.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Because Naruto did not know how to use they're chakra you see once he got his buff he could use they're power with no problem and the case is different that's internal chakra boost no an external one like what a cloak would do for Kakashi and what the bijuu chakra did to Sasuke's susanoo so your post still falls flat you did not debunk a single thing i said.

Stop and think and for one second. Naruto is a genius in handling chakra during war arc. He received bijuus chakra, weaker than kyuubi's own, and his powers weren't amplified. Your reach is real. And no, the bijuus weren't internal. They gave their chakra when Naruto was in bodily confinement tact with them. They can't telepathically give out chakra:lol
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Jin Kurama => Full Kurama in power output Bijuu's with jins are nothing impressive safe for Kurama and it's showing only proves it can output more Damas then the latter. Kurama is Kurama why can't Minato's Kurama use a Flash bijuu dama of that level? Full Kurama FBD being stronger is irrelevant and baseless considering Minato would not be striking Kurama head up to began with when My strategy shows he can use FBD right in between the latter. No one said one will get rid of SS but multiple will so my point still remains.

Certainly not by feats. Full Kurama is equal to EMS Madara's PS, while half Kurama is equal to Teenage EMS Sasuke's PS. There is a huge gap. Unorthodox, full kurama is >>half kurama based on what manga showed. Minato took kurama's yin chakra, which did not regenerate in time. Manga is clear that there were two kurama's in war arc, both possessing half the amount of chakra that full kurama does. Bigger chakra=bigger bijuudamas=more number of bijuudamas. I'm interested in manga facts, not your speculations and unsupported bullshit
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You know you have a losing argument when you resort to shit like this. I like to see SS throw back a Flash BD i Like to see Full Kurama under Genjutsu use Flash Bijuu dama. See how ridiculous that sounds if Sasuke could use it in a lower form a susanoo using a higher form is no problem safe for chakra which is not an issue here so my point remains. Sasuke did this in his MS form

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Him doing it in any other form only makes it easier and DMS Kakashi is tiers above that version of Sasuke and is Not tiers below Rinnegan Sasuke just a tier so sorry to burst your bubble dumbass. Kakashi gets his cloak and proceeds to spamm Juubi sized Kamui's which destroys the duo negative difficulty.

Ok, Kakashi can use kamui while in Ps. His opposition counter it. Hashirama with SS easily counter them. Kakashi cant even hope to kanji with countless arms going to bust his susanno.

This post is useless considering this does not counter my argument in any shape or form you argued for him needed Kamui shuriken on Her cat hands i replied with him getting out of range so this post is dumb af.

If kakashi increase his range, the duo will move towards him. His shurikens are dodged or countered with greater ease from a longer range. Then he would have no way of using kamui snipe on them. Not with Hashirama Hiding inside SS, and Madara shooting BDs towards him.

Lol at yourself a V3 susanoo went from v3 susanoo level to BSM Kurama level with a Kurama cloak which is not even close to the power of Hagoromo's chakra you give a v4 susanoo that Hagoromo buff it turns to a much more powerful PS then any normal ems user can muster up them-selfs unless Madara chakra is stronger than Kakashi's plus Hagoromo's which its not thus giving Kakashi the superior Susanoo. Feats are not needed when Logic trumps your stupid thoughts.

Already proved your cloak argument equaling to trash. But you would be right if Kakashi before rikudo buff was on Madara's level, which he's not. Kakashi originally has far less chakra in amount, and a far less potency to his chakra, compared to EMS Madara. The portion of Rikudo's chakra is ridiculously tiny for it to make Kakashi>Madara. Once again, you have no manga panels and feats contributing to your trash argument.
take your 3rd L

 

[Unorthodox]

For one, PS isn't achievable by EMS.

Yes it is Only 2 people in history to have Ps happen to be the only ones who have EMS this is no coincidence.

For two, the Chakra Kakashi got didn't have qualitative properties, meaning it's most likely weaker than Madara's. Just because something has ''Rikudou'' doesn't make it superior to anything.

Wrong the chakra Kakashi got turned his v4 to a Perfect susanoo which means it puts it well above the chakra potency Sasuke received from both Kurama's who's chakra rivals Madara then add Kakashi only had MS and never even use Susanoo before this only further proves my point and the susanoo is not the only thing that proves my evidence Kakashi was fodder in that fight until he got the chakra even doing damage to her after her amp.

Stop and think and for one second. Naruto is a genius in handling chakra during war arc. He received bijuus chakra, weaker than kyuubi's own, and his powers weren't amplified. Your reach is real. And no, the bijuus weren't internal. They gave their chakra when Naruto was in bodily confinement tact with them. They can't telepathically give out chakra:lol
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SMH stop with the Bullshit. The bijuus entrusted Naruto with their souls

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and inner chakra to also add no where was it stated that they gave him chakra for power purposes vs keeping them-selfs alive within Naruto until their power was awaken by Hagoromo. Your logic is dumb as hell Rinnegan Sasuke who's tiers above Naruto's BM avatar gain a significant boost But Naruto gains nothing? can't take you serious with this nonsense nor have you debunked my other scans.

Certainly not by feats. Full Kurama is equal to EMS Madara's PS, while half Kurama is equal to Teenage EMS Sasuke's PS. There is a huge gap. Unorthodox,

Full Kurama is not equal to Madara's Perfect Susanoo so stop and BSM Kurama is much faster and smarter than Full Kurama so you really don't have a point yes its's equal to Sasuke's amped V3 in every area except Raw power output which really matters here so again you don't have a point. a hugh gap? bih shutup.

full kurama is >>half kurama based on what manga showed. Minato took kurama's yin chakra, which did not regenerate in time. Manga is clear that there were two kurama's in war arc, both possessing half the amount of chakra that full kurama does. Bigger chakra=bigger bijuudamas=more number of bijuudamas. I'm interested in manga facts, not your speculations and unsupported bullshit
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Irrelevant what has full Kurama shown to say it's bijuu damas > the latter? nothing BM Kurama has matched 5 other bijuu who completely charged their bijuu damas together with a flash Bijuu dama which was not charged all the way what says full Kurama can match that power? Nothing so Manga is not supporting nothing. Kurama being in half means nothing when Bijuu are not as strong as they are with when they have a jin so nah im dodging these Ls especially if your the one handed them out lol.

Ok, Kakashi can use kamui while in Ps. His opposition counter it. Hashirama with SS easily counter them. Kakashi cant even hope to kanji with countless arms going to bust his susanno.

Ok is right this should have never been up for debate either. Not when his Kamui warp holes are Juubi sized so it does not matter. Kakashi go intangible and walk right up to Hashirama and snipe his ass. the buddah hands means nothing.

If kakashi increase his range, the duo will move towards him. His shurikens are dodged or countered with greater ease from a longer range. Then he would have no way of using kamui snipe on them. Not with Hashirama Hiding inside SS, and Madara shooting BDs towards him.

Shinsuusenjutsu almost has no movement feats besides standing up it's not doing a damn thing he's not bothering with shurikens here once he gets his distance he bombards them with shockwaves and Minato's Bijuu dama's once he has enough chakra build up they go bye bye by the giant Kamui warps. Or he could send a clone with intangibility to warp Madara ass right up.

Already proved your cloak argument equaling to trash.

You did not prove shit get yo dumbass out of here.

But you would be right if Kakashi before rikudo buff was on Madara's level, which he's not. Kakashi originally has far less chakra in amount, and a far less potency to his chakra, compared to EMS Madara. The portion of Rikudo's chakra is ridiculously tiny for it to make Kakashi>Madara. Once again, you have no manga panels and feats contributing to your trash argument.
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Already explained this to Madara rules you even said it yourself Kurama = Madara's ps Sasuke got a full Kurama chakra cloak with an already existing v3 susanoo which in turn enhanced his Susanoo to a giant v3 Standing susanoo which was equal to BSM Kurama avatar and every area except Power output. Kakashi who had never use Susanoo and only had a MS level susanoo to began with went straight to perfect susanoo meaning the amp of chakra he got dwarfs the Kurama boost that was given to Sasuke. Not only was his Susanoo amped his speed and reaction was amp to rikudou level characters showing that he received enough to let you know his power and chakra potency dwarfs what Madara already has in his body.

Boy you ain't never giving no one Ls especially not me sit yo ass down.

 

[Raijingan]

I'm leaning towards that Kakashi solos, however not in S3 perhaps

 

[Lord Tywin]

SMH stop with the Bullshit. The bijuus entrusted Naruto with their souls

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and inner chakra to also add no where was it stated that they gave him chakra for power purposes vs keeping them-selfs alive within Naruto until their power was awaken by Hagoromo. Your logic is dumb as hell Rinnegan Sasuke who's tiers above Naruto's BM avatar gain a significant boost But Naruto gains nothing? can't take you serious with this nonsense nor have you debunked my other scans.

You can't be this dumb. RSM uses the same bijuu chakra that was given to Naruto. That chakra was for power purposes as rsm can use techniques special to each bijuu. Yet the same chakra didn't enhance Naruto before he got Rikudo's chakra. Facts. Rikudo's chakra>>>kyuubi's chakra in potency. Kyuubi's chakra isn't going to enhance kakashi when it is previously enhanced by rikudo's

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

You can't be this dumb. RSM uses the same bijuu chakra that was given to Naruto. That chakra was for power purposes as rsm can use techniques special to each bijuu. Yet the same chakra didn't enhance Naruto before he got Rikudo's chakra. Facts. Rikudo's chakra>>>kyuubi's chakra in potency. Kyuubi's chakra isn't going to enhance kakashi when it is previously enhanced by rikudo's

I agree with the majority of this. Except everything about the Bijuu chakra inside of Naruto argument. The chakra that the Bijuu gave Naruto were also boosted by the the Rikudo buff which is why Naruto was able to wield their jutsu better.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I agree with the majority of this. Except everything about the Bijuu chakra inside of Naruto argument. The chakra that the Bijuu gave Naruto were also boosted by the the Rikudo buff which is why Naruto was able to wield their jutsu better.

The whole point is that inferior chakra potency isn't going to enhance a person with superior chakra potency

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

The whole point is that inferior chakra potency isn't going to enhance a person with superior chakra potency

Yeah that makes sense. You wouldn't be able to boost a Rikudo char with a Kurama cloak i agree with that.

 

[Unorthodox]

You can't be this dumb. RSM uses the same bijuu chakra that was given to Naruto. That chakra was for power purposes as rsm can use techniques special to each bijuu. Yet the same chakra didn't enhance Naruto before he got Rikudo's chakra. Facts. Rikudo's chakra>>>kyuubi's chakra in potency. Kyuubi's chakra isn't going to enhance kakashi when it is previously enhanced by rikudo's

Tired of dealing with your dumbass. Naruto was just linked to the bijuu by them giving him chakra and they're soul or whatever it was never for amp purposes

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Kurama explains it well Juubi even feared Naruto for these reason Knowing he could seperate it. You claimed BM Naruto was a master at chakra control so why did he not use any of their techs? or even showed to be slightly superior than before? Because they did not amp him with their chakra but made in external link with him. I don't even began to see how you think this could make since when Sasuke's already rikudou buffed Susanoo gain another buff from these bijuu chakra while BM Kurama would not? Also the Bijuu combined Chakra > BM kurama by itself so your post fails again dumbass of week.

 

[Edogawa]

Yes it is Only 2 people in history to have Ps happen to be the only ones who have EMS this is no coincidence.

Kakashi and Indra achieving it without MS means EMS isn't necessary.

Wrong the chakra Kakashi got turned his v4 to a Perfect susanoo which means it puts it well above the chakra potency Sasuke received from both Kurama's who's chakra rivals Madara then add Kakashi only had MS and never even use Susanoo before this only further proves my point and the susanoo is not the only thing that proves my evidence Kakashi was fodder in that fight until he got the chakra even doing damage to her after her amp.

-Kakashi didn't forecast V4.
-Madara's Chakra doesn't rival Kurama's.
-Kakashi didn't forecast Susanoo prior, because you need Double MS to achieve its full power.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Tired of dealing with your dumbass. Naruto was just linked to the bijuu by them giving him chakra and they're soul or whatever it was never for amp purposes

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Kurama explains it well Juubi even feared Naruto for these reason Knowing he could seperate it. You claimed BM Naruto was a master at chakra control so why did he not use any of their techs? or even showed to be slightly superior than before? Because they did not amp him with their chakra but made in external link with him. I don't even began to see how you think this could make since when Sasuke's already rikudou buffed Susanoo gain another buff from these bijuu chakra while BM Kurama would not? Also the Bijuu combined Chakra > BM kurama by itself so your post fails again dumbass of week.

Unorthodox stop being a clown. The chakra was given to Narutk, yet it didn't enhance him. It's as simple as it can get. Sasuke gathered more chakra from the bijuu that he possessed himself, hence being able to pull out techniques suck as Indra's arrow. By your retarded ass logic if BM Minato gives chakra to JJ Madara, Madara would become 3 times stronger. :lol next time you're arguing for something at least try to make sense. Smh

 

[Lord Tywin]

Full Kurama is not equal to Madara's Perfect Susanoo so stop and BSM Kurama is much faster and smarter than Full Kurama so you really don't have a point yes its's equal to Sasuke's amped V3 in every area except Raw power output which really matters here so again you don't have a point. a hugh gap? bih shutup.

Holy shit this is bad. Full Kurama's chakra>>>half kurama's chakra. Facts. His speed and intelligence doesn't matter agaisnt opponents of this caliber. Only thing matters is the damage he puts out and it's far more than half kurama has shown.
I find it funny when I said kurama's intelligence doesn't matter here, but it seems to be Unorthodox's life motto as well.

Irrelevant what has full Kurama shown to say it's bijuu damas > the latter? nothing BM Kurama has matched 5 other bijuu who completely charged their bijuu damas together with a flash Bijuu dama which was not charged all the way what says full Kurama can match that power? Nothing so Manga is not supporting nothing. Kurama being in half means nothing when Bijuu are not as strong as they are with when they have a jin so nah im dodging these Ls especially if your the one handed them out lol.

Both the size and numbers. Full Kurama showed he can make more number of bijuudamas in one go. Both versions of kurama have shown that they make same sized bd relative to their body size. Full kurama is bigger, and his bd is bigger. At this point in scared to catch the dyslexia

Ok is right this should have never been up for debate either. Not when his Kamui warp holes are Juubi sized so it does not matter. Kakashi go intangible and walk right up to Hashirama and snipe his ass. the buddah hands means nothing.

Kamui wasn't juubi sized. :lol Kakashi was going to snipe juubi's head not its entire body. Juubi's head is as big as Hachibi's body. Supported by the manga, not the book of strawmen.

Shinsuusenjutsu almost has no movement feats besides standing up it's not doing a damn thing he's not bothering with shurikens here once he gets his distance he bombards them with shockwaves and Minato's Bijuu dama's once he has enough chakra build up they go bye bye by the giant Kamui warps. Or he could send a clone with intangibility to warp Madara ass right up.

All of this has been addressed. Nothing but trash arguments honestly

you did not prove shit get your dumbass outta here

Irony is strong with this one

Already explained this to Madara rules you even said it yourself Kurama = Madara's ps Sasuke got a full Kurama chakra cloak with an already existing v3 susanoo which in turn enhanced his Susanoo to a giant v3 Standing susanoo which was equal to BSM Kurama avatar and every area except Power output. Kakashi who had never use Susanoo and only had a MS level susanoo to began with went straight to perfect susanoo meaning the amp of chakra he got dwarfs the Kurama boost that was given to Sasuke. Not only was his Susanoo amped his speed and reaction was amp to rikudou level characters showing that he received enough to let you know his power and chakra potency dwarfs what Madara already has in his body.

Boy you ain't never giving no one Ls especially not me sit yo ass down.

Honestly I don't even know why I even bothered to argue with you.
10/10 brev u to gud I concede