Sasuke's Chakra Control is something else ... Part I.

[adeshina365]

It's important to note that the quantity of chakra that Sakura has had to control is a drop in the bucket in comparison to what Sasuke and other top 10 characters control. As the quantity of chakra increases, more and more control is required to effectively utilize it.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

How is it the two sides of the same coin? The chakra in this case is completely transformed into Raiton. Those were physical objects (chakra flesh in the case of Kurama and Chakra given a physical shape of an avatar in case of BM avatar), this one isn't. If it was the same feat, then why did Kurama claim that it wasn't? I mean, come the heck on, you are blatantly denying a statement from Kurama, when it wore PS as a garb twice. When it didn't state that it was the same thing, then why are you suggesting it? It's an argument with no basis in the manga as Kurama itself doesn't state so.

The argument starts from "since there is no Mezo," which means PS is being turned into one. ISO PS isn't a Mezo. I am scratching my head as to how these two even correlate.



It's kinda silly, because Sage's CT is the only one without a core like Sasuke's. And you are suggesting that it has nothing to do with skill, when Kurama stated that it does? All right.

Already explained it above, as PS has never housed (without merging) any raw chakra. Nor has it ever acted as a Mezo, which is what the mangaka wanted to portray that it isn't an ordinary feat.

It is the reverse of COAT, which is why it is a one of a kind feat.



Dude, you have some serious issues with your eyes. Serious ones.

And this has nothing to do with the thread I made. Furthermore, Sasuke didn't have Rinnegan at all then. And Kagutsuchi is an Ocular ability where Sasuke applies advanced "Shape Manipulation (that has nothing to do with auto-eye-modes)" to Amaterasu cast from the left eye and controlled with the right eye. We have known this since Chee's explanation. Even then, Tobirama (the smartest man in the manga) who studied countless Sharingans outright states in the Viz scan I posted that he had never seen anyone control it that perfectly. Chee also called him a "rare genius" on his control alone. Whoops, another slip, I see.

Bottom-line, Kagutsuchi has nothing to do with controlling Raiton with the eye. Care to point it out where Sharingan, magically, allows for the chakra control of any Ninjutsu bar the one used by the eye? Even then, as the mangaka states, it's entirely dependent upon the skill of the user? No one has over-rated Sauske. You are over-rating Naruto, as every single scan you have posted to sling dirt at Sasuke and exalt Naruto is misinterpreted, out of context or has nothing to do with the discussion. Naruto's CC isn't at Sasuke's level. It's canon manga logic, and no amount of fanboyish flip-flopping changes that.

As for understaing all chakra, then you just hacked your own foot off, along with you flimsy argument. As not only do you accept that he has no innate skill in CC (as the automatic mode aids him in that constantly), but him still asking and getting kneaded Bijuu chakra and not doing much by himself even after amassing CC experience of clones with that "universal grasp of things" mode on, makes Naruto's skill so medicore that I am inclined to laugh at this whole thing. If that isn't talentless, then I don't know what is.

Which makes sasuke a talentless loser

 

[shelke]

It's important to note that the quantity of chakra that Sakura has had to control is a drop in the bucket in comparison to what Sasuke and other top 10 characters control. As the quantity of chakra increases, more and more control is required to effectively utilize it.

True. But, I would say that Sakura's control is better than Naruto's as she controls it by focusing it on a single point on her forehead. Sasuke does it with a infinitely colossal volume as he prepared Chidori and arrow. Can't really say much for Naruto with the chakra kneaded for him and all that.

 

[AndreJNZ]

Sasuke grew into that chakra control...

Then he got the Rinnegan. It's a ****ing cheat all on it's own.

 

[shelke]

Sasuke grew into that chakra control...

Then he got the Rinnegan. It's a ****ing cheat all on it's own.

Nah, breh.

 

[adeshina365]

Where are people getting this silly idea that the Rinnegan provides additional chakra control? There is nothing in the manga to support this.

Also as a side note, I think that Sasuke's chidori is something which really needs to be revisited. I've been re-reading some of the manga and I continue to be impressed by this jutsu.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Which makes sasuke a talentless loser

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[shelke]

Where are people getting this silly idea that the Rinnegan provides additional chakra control? There is nothing in the manga to support this.

Also as a side note, I think that Sasuke's chidori is something which really needs to be revisited. I've been re-reading some of the manga and I continue to be impressed by this jutsu.

Tales of their hindquarters, where else?

Sasuke is also capable of lowering and increasing the Jutsus potency by focusing it on fewer fingers along with advanced Shape Manipulation via Chidori Spear. Something even 4th Raikage cannot do!

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^ All are Viz scans, by the way.

 

[adeshina365]

Tales of their hindquarters, where else?

Sasuke is also capable of lowering and increasing the Jutsus potency by focusing it on fewer fingers along with advanced Shape Manipulation via Chidori Spear. Something even 4th Raikage cannot do!

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^ All are Viz scans, by the way.

This is really important, but often neglected. We still have Kakashi fanboys that believe that Raikiri is forever superior to Chidori...the reality is they are simply names. Sasuke has taken the jutsu to levels that Kakashi can't comprehend.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Where are people getting this silly idea that the Rinnegan provides additional chakra control? There is nothing in the manga to support this.

Also as a side note, I think that Sasuke's chidori is something which really needs to be revisited. I've been re-reading some of the manga and I continue to be impressed by this jutsu.

you won't believe the lengths people will go to downplay :lol. I've heard people say Sasuke copied Amaterasu & Chibaku Tensei instead of him awakening it in his own MS/Rinnegan

It can be the same on the other side too. I remember a thread that said Naruto lacks Uzumaki stamina.

 

[shelke]

This is really important, but often neglected. We still have Kakashi fanboys that believe that Raikiri is forever superior to Chidori...the reality is they are simply names. Sasuke has taken the jutsu to levels that Kakashi can't comprehend.

It isn't superior, as Sasuke is able to do what I mentioned and these:

- Chidori.
- Chidori Spear.
- Chidori Spear with a further shape manipulation in form of a star.
- Chidori Senbon.
- Chidori Nagashi in form of release in all directions.
- Chidori Nagashi in form of release in a single direction by making it run on the ground.
- Chidori Kusanagi.
- Chidori sword in hand, literally in form of a sword with which Sasuke cut Madara in half.
- Turning his body into a conductor to draw in raw lightning. It can be used with Chakra as well.

That is nine different uses. Kakashi, haha, can't be use fewer fingers to make it more potent. Has fewer uses and cannot use it without Sharingan like Sasuke properly.

Haha, Kakashi fanboys. He is only more skilled in Raiton in their fanfictions. Not in the manga.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

It isn't superior, as Sasuke is able to do what I mentioned and these:

- Chidori.
- Chidori Spear.
- Chidori Spear with a further shape manipulation in form of a star.
- Chidori Senbon.
- Chidori Nagashi in form of release in all directions.
- Chidori Nagashi in form of release in a single direction by making it run on the ground.
- Chidori Kusanagi.
- Chidori sword in hand, literally in form of a sword with which Sasuke cut Madara in half.
- Turning his body into a conductor to draw in raw lightning. It can be used with Chakra as well.

That is nine different uses. Kakashi, haha, can't be use fewer fingers to make it more potent. Has fewer uses and cannot use it without Sharingan like Sasuke properly.

Haha, Kakashi fanboys. He is only more skilled in Raiton in their fanfictions. Not in the manga.

I agree that Sasuke developed his chidori more. But doesn't Sasuke also get affected by the lack of sharingan. I remember Danzo dodging his chidori

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There's the time Sasuke's sharingan deactivated mid chidori strike which proabably played a role as to why Naruto could hit him in time.

 

[shelke]

I agree that Sasuke developed his chidori more. But doesn't Sasuke also get affected by the lack of sharingan. I remember Danzo dodging his chidori

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There's the time Sasuke's sharingan deactivated mid chidori strike which proabably played a role as to why Naruto could hit him in time.

He is exhausted and Danzo used Shisui's special ability.

 

[UnknownJin]

Tales of their hindquarters, where else?

Sasuke is also capable of lowering and increasing the Jutsus potency by focusing it on fewer fingers along with advanced Shape Manipulation via Chidori Spear. Something even 4th Raikage cannot do!

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^ All are Viz scans, by the way.

TELL THEM BROTHER HAHAHAHAH

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Which makes sasuke a talentless loser

If you think he is talentless than you have no eye for talent you loser.

 

[UnknownJin]

This is really important, but often neglected. We still have Kakashi fanboys that believe that Raikiri is forever superior to Chidori...the reality is they are simply names. Sasuke has taken the jutsu to levels that Kakashi can't comprehend.

It isn't superior, as Sasuke is able to do what I mentioned and these:

- Chidori.
- Chidori Spear.
- Chidori Spear with a further shape manipulation in form of a star.
- Chidori Senbon.
- Chidori Nagashi in form of release in all directions.
- Chidori Nagashi in form of release in a single direction by making it run on the ground.
- Chidori Kusanagi.
- Chidori sword in hand, literally in form of a sword with which Sasuke cut Madara in half.
- Turning his body into a conductor to draw in raw lightning. It can be used with Chakra as well.

That is nine different uses. Kakashi, haha, can't be use fewer fingers to make it more potent. Has fewer uses and cannot use it without Sharingan like Sasuke properly.

Haha, Kakashi fanboys. He is only more skilled in Raiton in their fanfictions. Not in the manga.

I dont know.. i just heard / read somewhere that Raikiri is stronger then Chidori and it is. Manga fact / Rank

Also "Lighting Blade" against Zabuza was true RAIKIRI!

 

[Jokule67]

Doujutsu grants cc? must be the first time am hearing about it

are you even reading his post correctly? not once has he ever claimed sasuke used coat.

He did. He brought it up several times saying Sasuke used it in reverse and trying to say Kurama confirms.

 

[Warlocks]

Great thread, it's too bad Naruto fanboys are going to do their best to discredit it.

King of CC: Sasuke

Queen of CC: Sakura

Princess of CC: Sarada

in this 3 who has better CC

 

[Jokule67]

How is it the two sides of the same coin? The chakra in this case is completely transformed into Raiton. Those were physical objects (chakra flesh in the case of Kurama and Chakra given a physical shape of an avatar in case of BM avatar), this one isn't. If it was the same feat, then why did Kurama claim that it wasn't? I mean, come the heck on, you are blatantly denying a statement from Kurama, when it wore PS as a garb twice. When it didn't state that it was the same thing, then why are you suggesting it? It's an argument with no basis in the manga as Kurama itself doesn't state so.

The argument starts from "since there is no Mezo," which means PS is being turned into one. ISO PS isn't a Mezo. I am scratching my head as to how these two even correlate.



It's kinda silly, because Sage's CT is the only one without a core like Sasuke's. And you are suggesting that it has nothing to do with skill, when Kurama stated that it does? All right.

Already explained it above, as PS has never housed (without merging) any raw chakra. Nor has it ever acted as a Mezo, which is what the mangaka wanted to portray that it isn't an ordinary feat.

It is the reverse of COAT, which is why it is a one of a kind feat.



Dude, you have some serious issues with your eyes. Serious ones.

And this has nothing to do with the thread I made. Furthermore, Sasuke didn't have Rinnegan at all then. And Kagutsuchi is an Ocular ability where Sasuke applies advanced "Shape Manipulation (that has nothing to do with auto-eye-modes)" to Amaterasu cast from the left eye and controlled with the right eye. We have known this since Chee's explanation. Even then, Tobirama (the smartest man in the manga) who studied countless Sharingans outright states in the Viz scan I posted that he had never seen anyone control it that perfectly. Chee also called him a "rare genius" on his control alone. Whoops, another slip, I see.

Bottom-line, Kagutsuchi has nothing to do with controlling Raiton with the eye. Care to point it out where Sharingan, magically, allows for the chakra control of any Ninjutsu bar the one used by the eye? Even then, as the mangaka states, it's entirely dependent upon the skill of the user? No one has over-rated Sauske. You are over-rating Naruto, as every single scan you have posted to sling dirt at Sasuke and exalt Naruto is misinterpreted, out of context or has nothing to do with the discussion. Naruto's CC isn't at Sasuke's level. It's canon manga logic, and no amount of fanboyish flip-flopping changes that.

As for understaing all chakra, then you just hacked your own foot off, along with you flimsy argument. As not only do you accept that he has no innate skill in CC (as the automatic mode aids him in that constantly), but him still asking and getting kneaded Bijuu chakra and not doing much by himself even after amassing CC experience of thousands upon thousands of clones with that "universal grasp of things" mode on, makes Naruto's skill so medicore that I am inclined to laugh at this whole thing. If that isn't talentless, then I don't know what is.

With ir without the mode I dont care dude. I said iutsright that Naruto has great cc own his own and is enhanced by his modes. Same reason why Sasuke cant use his Rinnegan to its full potential without tge Sages Chakra nor would he have it.

Its you that is denying Sasukes Doujutsu helping him see ratios. Yes he shapes the Kagatsuchi but he also merged it with the same ratio with Rasenshuriken. HE is the one that did it, not Naruto whos RS was already made. And if it was both then kudos to both of their CC.

Also Sasuke didnt use a reverse COAT, never did. COAT uses Yin and Yang to create new life. Sage used it to create living beasts with chakra. Sasuke just used Rinnegan to merge their chakras in his Susanoo as a replacement for Gedo. Rinnegan gas the power to seal bijuu since its reveal.

And the fact that you call Naruto talentless just shows your fanboism for Sasuke. Especially when Naruto has been showing better CC then Sasuke for a while now. Not saying he IS better. Hes just shown better.

Consider this, if Sasuke didnt have Rinnegan/Sage Powerup you think he could handle all that chakra? You think Rinnegan didnt give him complete control over that chakra? I never said it magically makes him know everything. It just naturally becomes easier as his abilities are more powerful, especially his Rinnegan. Thats why he can use coreless CT. Part Skill/Part Talent(power up).

 

[Warlocks]

even db shows that was Yin Yang release and coat

naruto has YinYang release

but sb fap dont agree