DMS Kakashi & BM Minato vs Madara & Hashirama

[TRE MERCER]

But you don't. That scan doesn't even show anything that'd let you compare the two let alone say they are equal in size.

All he said is that he'll make the Juubi vanish. Why warp the tails with the body when he can just warp the body itself? Especially since the body is in clear eye's view while the tails aren't.

Juubi is actually bigger than SS especially if you include tails. He said he'll make the juubi vanish the Juubi tails are apart of the Juubi so to say he was only targeting the body is completely baseless.

Hashirama and his Buddha gets snipped. Kamui shurikens and ftg barrier stops Madara's assault. SS is never going to land a hit when Minato can teleport them well out of it's range. Once Hashirama is sniped Madara gets baby shaked.

 

[TRE MERCER]

We can also see how small single shrunken compared to the arm wrest .single shrunken is nearly as big as PS's head .

Yea i know.

 

[KidGamer65]

Juubi is actually bigger than SS especially if you include tails. He said he'll make the juubi vanish the Juubi tails are apart of the Juubi so to say he was only targeting the body is completely baseless.

Hashirama and his Buddha gets snipped. Kamui shurikens and ftg barrier stops Madara's assault. SS is never going to land a hit when Minato can teleport them well out of it's range. Once Hashirama is sniped Madara gets baby shaked.

-The tails aren't clearly visible when looking at the Juubi from the front. The main body is. He only needs to warp the main body to make it vanish.

-Hashirama isn't getting sniped, ever. If he tries it Madara and Hashirama finish him off. Not sure where Minato is going to teleport them to when Hashirama's range extends across multiple Mountains in terms of width. :lol Same goes for S/T Barrier and Bijuu Dama. Unless Minato places a Kunai during the battle that's not a viable counter. He can't place one during the battle as the duo won't let him and Kakashi can't save him from both of them.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Kakashi had only Yin KC when he was going to warp the Jiubi .Naruto gave the same cloak to thousands of shinobi ,which shows how tiny this cloak compared to half Kuarma chakra .I highly doubt that the chakra that Obito stole from Jin Madara isnt bigger than KC .not to mention obito's original huge reserves .whatever ,there is no doubt that DMS kakashi with Minato's kuarma chakra supply would warp Buddha .

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That's because that was a lot of chakra he was granted. He only got a tiny fraction of Madara's Rikudo chakra. The power is better obviously but there's no evidence that the amount is superior to what Naruto gave him with the dual Yin-Yang Kurama cloak. Not to mention he needs to build up chakra to warp something that large anyway as the Manga has shown.

A Lot of chakra? Dont oversell it. First off kakashi never got dual yin yang. Second off was a V1 cloak evenly split between several thousand shinobi. Whereas the chakra he got from obito was great enough to give him Perfect susanno. And seeing as how minato can do the same thing naruto did kurama chakra gets stacked on the rikudo.

SS>Juubi's body (What was going to be warped)=PS in size.

Proof, just curious

Yeah, if it hits anyway. But it won't so this point doesn't hold. And now that I look at that scan again it's not even PS sized. It's the size of the arms of Kaguya's rabbit monster, and the hands are larger than arms, and the hands aren't even half as large as Kakashi's Susanoo.

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They are actually nowhere near that size just by comparing them to Naruto's clones.

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And Sakura's body.

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the warpzone extends past the arms, and based off how small they got when they made contact with said arms(despite still warping the arm. It's more logical to say its ps sized.According to you its no bigger than Ps head which is illogical given the fact that they start off that big to begin with.

How is Madara being removed by Kamui when Hashirama can sense the build up and is fast enough to block Kakashi's Line of Sight?

what intel does hashirama have on Kakashi's kamui?he's never seen it in action so how would he know to block los? and ems mads never met obito soo.

Not sure how Minato is going to sneak 4 Shuriken past Chojo Kebutsu and Bladed Bijuu Dama when he'd have to sneak a Kunai past said assault in order to warp the shuriken past that. And there's definitely no way a Kunai is going to get past SS and PS Kurama's attacks and then hit Hashirama and/or Madara directly.

he snuck a kunai directly in front of Rikudo madara, who only reacted to the sand wall. im sure he can weave 1 past the bladed Bijudama then do the same thing he did to kurama/juubi bijudama. delaying the release of the kamui shuriken, if done correctly the amount of shuriken can be stacked.

And no, it doesn't auto counter bladed BD. At best he'd take 4-6 of them with him.

their thrown in close proximity of each other. its taking all.

Keeps out of range of SS? If he does that then Madara would hit him with Bijuu Dama. Not to mention he can't do anything to SS from mid air. Kamui Shuriken used offensively are easily blocked with any projectile from the duo, and his offense on it's own isn't taking down SS, PS and Kurama.

bijudama isn't hitting flying PS and if need be minato changes the trajectory with his own bd or a clone with kakashi puts up the st barrier.

A swing of Madara's blade and the battlefield is razed. If Minato's clone runs away to try and set up Kunai multiple Mountain Ranges away then it'd be obliterated in a heart beat. The bold is a pointless thing to do because Minato will have no opportunity to set kunai that far away when no one on this team can reliably block all of Madara and Hashirama's attacks in a manner that'd protect the clone from any type of damage, especially since it has to break away from Kakashi and Minato in order to set Kunai.

alright then instead of using kunai he sets it to the land itself(which is more reliable anyways) , So unless the seal itself is destroyed specifically (which neither madara or hashirama can target since they don't carry chakra) the seals the clone sets up stays. A blind swing isn't hitting a target smaller than the palm of one's hand. Especially when said target is mountain ranges away. Given how fast minato can move, they can't stop the setup. Destroyed land or not.

Read everything I typed there again and then you'll realize why this sentence is irrelevant to what was being stated. That is specifically for after PS and Kurama Avatar have been taken otu.

ahh.kk wont happen but whatevs

Not really. Hashirama can block any and all Kamui attempts from Kakashi. Not like it matters, because if PS and Kurama Avatar have been neutralized then these two don't stand a chance in hell of defeating Hashirama regardless of Madara being there or not.

again its manga intel, and LOL at bold

 

[TRE MERCER]

-The tails aren't clearly visible when looking at the Juubi from the front. The main body is. He only needs to warp the main body to make it vanish.

Once again this is all completely useless since this is what you believe Manga stated Kakashi was going to warp Juubi. Juubi tails are apart of it's body therefor they are included. Unless you can provide a scan of Kakashi saying he was going to warp the Juubi without it's tails then you have a point until then you don't have a point.

-Hashirama isn't getting sniped, ever. If he tries it Madara and Hashirama finish him off. Not sure where Minato is going to teleport them to when Hashirama's range extends across multiple Mountains in terms of width. :lol Same goes for S/T Barrier and Bijuu Dama. Unless Minato places a Kunai during the battle that's not a viable counter. He can't place one during the battle as the duo won't let him and Kakashi can't save him from both of them.

SS is getting sniped if Hashirama is on top of SS then he goes with it. Madara can't do a think at all. Bladed bijuudama meet Kamui shurikens. Kakashi simply warps him and Minato at a good distance once the fight start Minato KM spreads his kunai[

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] He also sends clones to run and spread them out as well. Once Minato goes BM he gives Kakashi a cloak which makes his PS super sized. Then they begin to do the fusion. Once Fused Hashirama nor Madara can touch them due to Minato using ftg to get them out of any sticky situation. Kakashi already warped Hachibi without any build up time[

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]. Minato's BM Kurama avatar is just the same size as Naruto's which is equal to Hachibi in size[

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]. He could cannonly teleport their fusion in addition to Minato teleporting them out of the way via ftg. That makes 2 means of Teleportation Hashirama nor Madara has a chance at stopping them. Once Kamui build up time is ready he snipes Madara or Hashirama constructs. Which ever one is left is then raped by PS Kurama fuison.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Also we've seen Kurama cloak constantly making abilities bigger if Minato gives Kakashi a Kurama cloak his kamui shurikens aoe would be increase to levels even bigger than his own Susanoo.

Unlike Hashirama and Madara Minato and Kakashi can complement each other to well while Hashirama and Madara are just nothing but power houses.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi had only Yin KC when he was going to warp the Jiubi .Naruto gave the same cloak to thousands of shinobi ,which shows how tiny this cloak compared to half Kuarma chakra .I highly doubt that the chakra that Obito stole from Jin Madara isnt bigger than KC .not to mention obito's original huge reserves .whatever ,there is no doubt that DMS kakashi with Minato's kuarma chakra supply would warp Buddha .

Oh yeah, you're right. Not like it matters though because the Juubi's main body is the same size as PS which is not the size of SS's main body.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Oh yeah, you're right. Not like it matters though because the Juubi's main body is the same size as PS which is not the size of SS's main body.

Why is PS smaller than Buddha's main body !?

DMS Kakashi with kuarma chakra supply can warp larger objects than what 1 MS Kakashi with cloak can ,it would be much larger depending on how much chakra Minato can share with Kakashi .

 

[TRE MERCER]

Why is PS smaller than Buddha's main body !?

DMS Kakashi with kuarma chakra supply can warp larger objects than what 1 MS Kakashi with cloak can ,it would be much larger depending on how much chakra Minato can share with Kakashi .

He's in denial Kamui plus ftg team work beats Hashirama and Madara sheer raw power.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'll address all 3 of you tomorrow.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I'll address all 3 of you tomorrow.

We'll be waiting.

 

[TheSages456]

Team 1 gets destroyed in all scenarios. The combo can't even match Shinsuusenju's energy output or circumvent it's firepower.

Kakashi has only shown the ability to produce 4 Kamui shurikens at once and 50% Kurama has only shown the ability to use 5 Bijudama simultaneously. Super Bijudama gets tanked by the statue with ease, though Minato probably wouldn't ever get the chance to charge one anyway.

4 Kamui shurikens only warp 4 of it's hands and Minato's Bijudama are finger flicked away. They can't stop Chojo Kebetsu, let alone if Madara gave support on top of that.

As far as hitting Kakashi and maybe Minato after their avatars are annihilated with ease, the Flower world puts them to sleep.

 

[TRE MERCER]

No one respond to the guy above he's going to spam the thread with wank.

 

[ARGUS]

Yeah, the founders win S1, mid diff

-- Kakashis PS and BM avatar can't match the output of PS+Full Kyuubi+SS. The best they can do to halt their attacks would be to send 4 kamui shuriken which won't accomplish anything since the rest of 996 arms would still land and obliterate their constructs, on top of the 12 PS-TBB. Minato would straight up die from this whilst Kakashi survives only thanks to intangibility

-- kamui warp gets blocked by mokuton, and then FTW is formed which bypasses his kamui limit and puts him to sleep. Without PS Kakashi can't even get rid of it

Minato and Kakashi would win fanfic S2.

S3: Lol
DRSM Madara would destroy Minato, and would mid diff Kakashi at best,
Add the firepower of Hashirama and it's a stomp

 

[Unorthodox]

PS is the same size as Juubi? How lol wtf.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Yeah, the founders win S1, mid diff

-- Kakashis PS and BM avatar can't match the output of PS+Full Kyuubi+SS. The best they can do to halt their attacks would be to send 4 kamui shuriken which won't accomplish anything since the rest of 996 arms would still land and obliterate their constructs, on top of the 12 PS-TBB. Minato would straight up die from this whilst Kakashi survives only thanks to intangibility

They don't need to when they have Kamui which ignores durability,strength and size. Kamui shurikens are Susanoo weapons which means a Susanoo can constantly produce them. Why would he throw the shurikens at SS? When he can snipe the entire SS. SS is never landing a hit when the fusion can be warped via kamui or teleported via ftg evade any and all of there offense. Kakashi and Minato would stay together the entire time there would be no point to go at them alone. Once they do fuison any window of hope for Hashirama and Madara is shut.

-- kamui warp gets blocked by mokuton, and then FTW is formed which bypasses his kamui limit and puts him to sleep. Without PS Kakashi can't even get rid of it

Minato and Kakashi would win fanfic S2.

S3: Lol
DRSM Madara would destroy Minato, and would mid diff Kakashi at best,
Add the firepower of Hashirama and it's a stomp

Kamui warp gets blocked by Mokuton? L00l unless Hashirama can use some Mokuton to completely cover up his entire Buddha put that argument to rest. If they decide to go with sniping Kurama Ps fuison Madara. Then they simply stomp SS with Bladed Bijuudama's. Flower tree world is useless since they can fly. A Bijuudama toward the ground or one PS shockwave completely erase the pollen world before it can even produce pollen.

They stomp Scene 2.

Scene 3. Limbo is laughed at by Kakashi and Minato fusion. They kill Madara with Shockwaves alone. Bladed Bijuudama's proceed to stomp SS.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

One thing to add KG that I was thinking of, Madara doesn't even have to armor PS onto Kurama. If he keeps them separate that's 3 diffrent structures attacking them from diffrent angles with attacks that level battlefields. It's also one more target

 

[TRE MERCER]

One thing to add KG that I was thinking of, Madara doesn't even have to armor PS onto Kurama. If he keeps them separate that's 3 diffrent structures attacking them from diffrent angles with attacks that level battlefields. It's also one more target

Keeping Kurama from Ps is a terrible idea since a KM clone would be able to release it from the genjutsu.

 

[ARGUS]

They don't need to when they have Kamui which ignores durability,strength and size.

If kamui itself fails offensively and defensively then they need to
Besides, kamui won't be protecting Minato either

Kamui shurikens are Susanoo weapons which means a Susanoo can constantly produce them.

This is fanfic. Kakashi has been shown to form only 4 at once
So we abide by the manga and say that's his limit. Otherwise I can say that Kyuubi can toss 100 TBBs because lol chakra weapons

Why would he throw the shurikens at SS? When he can snipe the entire SS.

L O L
Please get fanfic out of here, I don't have time for that

SS is never landing a hit when the fusion can be warped via kamui or teleported via ftg evade any and all of there offense.

Where are they teleporting to?
Just the width of SS spans multiple mountains and the hands dwarve mountains, and there are 1000 of them
So they get hit and wrecked

Kakashi and Minato would stay together the entire time there would be no point to go at them alone. Once they do fuison any window of hope for Hashirama and Madara is shut.

Pfft. Fusion won't do jack shit when it's just PS providing defense to minatos offense
Minatos offense is even lower than full kyuubis, let alone PS and SS on top of that

-- their fusion can't stop 12 PS-TBB from landing.
-- their fusion can't stop Chojo from landing
-- their fusion can't tank the onslaught of their attacks

Therefore their fusion gets wrecked

Kamui warp gets blocked by Mokuton? L00l unless Hashirama can use some Mokuton to completely cover up his entire Buddha put that argument to rest.

So Kakashi can warp an entire SS when there is zero implication of him being able to do so?
Yeah no. Hashiramas senses the buildup and either blocks his LOs with mokuton of sends a swarm of attacks with Chojo and pulverizes him. With the aid of Madara this is done with ease

If they decide to go with sniping Kurama Ps fuison Madara. Then they simply stomp SS with Bladed Bijuudama's.

Minato can only toss 5 at a time
Madaras 12 TBB would overpower that now add chojo and it wuld do it far worse

No stomping Is happening, Kakashi Isn't warping the entire iso Susnaoo without them doing anything and their fusion has zero chance in competing offensively and defensible Against their constructs

Flower tree world is useless since they can fly. A Bijuudama toward the ground or one PS shockwave completely erase the pollen world before it can even produce pollen.

It will clearly be used once their constructs are gone

They stomp Scene 2.

Scene 3. Limbo is laughed at by Kakashi and Minato fusion. They kill Madara with Shockwaves alone. Bladed Bijuudama's proceed to stomp SS.

Lol more like the other way around, limbo ***** slaps Kakashi and shuts his entire defense down:
They can't stomp SS. No chance, and add Madaras PS and they're defeated with ease

This is basically s1 but with a much stronger madara