DMS Kakashi & BM Minato vs Madara & Hashirama

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Manga Edo Minato and DMS Kakashi. Kakashi can merge avatars with Minato Ala Naruto/Sasuke. Madara and Hashirama are both VOTE and both Madara and Minato have full and half Kurama respectively

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S1: Manga DMS Kakashi without a time limit

S2: Kakashi can have his PS Kamui Raikiri from storm 4 (functions the way his normal one does but PS scale here)

S3: Madara is DRSM and still has Full Kurama
 

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Minato and Kakashi can win. I'd have to look at this later tho.
 

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Minato and Kakashi can win. I'd have to look at this later tho.

Yea I wanna see what people think. I was thinking about how strong Kakashi's PS would actually be. Realistically with the small amount of Rikudo Chakra he has and the fact he wouldn't even be able to use PS without said chakra makes me think it isn't really all that strong
 

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Kakashi can solo in scnario 1 & 2.if it was just PS vs ISO Susano and Buddha then kakashi loses but it isnt .Madara's iso susano along with kuarma's head get ripped apart by kamui snipe .Hashirama cant touch kakashi.kakashi with intangibility and kamui raikeri manhandles Hashirama and his clones in CQC .
Not sure about scnario 3 though .
 
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DMS Kakashi and BSM Minato is the nasties combo out their.

They stomp all scenes.
 

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Minato and kakashi spank in the first 2. Not so sure about the third one.
 

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S1: Manga DMS Kakashi without a time limit

SS is too large for Kakashi to warp with Kamui, and his line of sight can simply be blocked by any form of Mokuton as long as it's large enough. In a full on battle between Kakashi and Minato's PS Kurama and Madara's PS Kurama and SS the latter duo would obviously win. Kamui Shuriken can be intercepted by any projectile, and he can't throw enough of them to counter Madara's BD Barrage or Hashirama's chojo, and S/T Barrier can't counter the latter, and would only work for the former if they let Minato set Kunai, but considering they both have battlefield wide attacks that Minato can't block w/ the barrier that won't ever happen.

In terms of non avatar combat Hashirama and Madara rape. Flower Tree world hard counters Kamui's ghost mode. The pollen won't cause Kakashi to phase, so he'll have to make himself phase to evade it, and that only lasts for 5 minutes. Minato lacks the firepower to do anything without his Avatar either, and the range is too vast for him to escape without being put to sleep. Attacking Madara and Hashirama directly wouldn't help either, because Madara still has regular Susanoo and Hashirama can just avoid them by merging with his forest.


S2: Kakashi can have his PS Kamui Raikiri from storm 4 (functions the way his normal one does but PS scale here)

If PS becomes intangible like his body does when you say it functions the way his normal one does. If it does then Kakashi would solo shit stomp these two. Otherwise they still lose.


S3: Madara is DRSM and still has Full Kurama

If the founders win the first 2, then they'd definitely win this. Especially since Madara's Limbo and Mokuton hard counters Kamui offensively and defensively.
 
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Ahahaha Kakashi solos Madara, Hashirama and Minato like flies here. There's such a massive gap lol.
 

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Team wins.

EDIT: Lmao. I mean Team 1 wins.
 

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SS is too large for Kakashi to warp with Kamui,.
no its not. Kakashi with measly v1 biju cloak was gonna warp the juubi. rikudo chakra puts ss well within his warping abilities. .
and his line of sight can simply be blocked by any form of Mokuton as long as it's large enough..
unless its bigger than juubi? nah bruh besides 1 shuriken can warp somthing the size of Perfect susanno. .
In a full on battle between Kakashi and Minato's PS Kurama and Madara's PS Kurama and SS the latter duo would obviously win.
thats a waste of chakra taking it on directly. Instead madara can simply be removed from the equation via standard long range kamui, or minato uses Ftg to sneak the kamui shuriken past their assault if need be.
Kamui Shuriken can be intercepted by any projectile.
which opens a wormhole that sucks in anything within the its perimeter(size of a ps) which would auto counter bladed tbb.
and he can't throw enough of them to counter Madara's BD Barrage.
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or Hashirama's chojo, and S/T Barrier can't counter the latter, and would only work for the former if they let Minato set Kunai, but considering they both have battlefield wide attacks that Minato can't block w/ the barrier that won't ever happen..
hashirama's fists get the same treatment anything within the vicinity is getting pulled in, and given that its a ranged attack and kakashi outsped kaguya's chakra arm (rsm naruto called it fast which is saying something) kakashi keeps out of range while pelting any arms that get past with either direct kamui or kamui shuriken. a kcm clone can set kunai, anytime it reaches troble it can teleport to kakashi or minato and start over, assuming that all the kunai get destroyed somehow.


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In terms of non avatar combat Hashirama and Madara rape. Flower Tree world hard counters Kamui's ghost mode.. The pollen won't cause Kakashi to phase, so he'll have to make himself phase to evade it, and that only lasts for 5 minutes. Minato lacks the firepower to do anything without his Avatar either, and the range is too vast for him to escape without being put to sleep.
come again? how is a ground based attack stopping an airborn kakashi? and 1 swing of his sword or minato's tails blows the pollen away anyways.

Attacking Madara and Hashirama directly wouldn't help either, because Madara still has regular Susanoo and Hashirama can just avoid them by merging with his forest.
madara is liable to get sniped ggnore then its 2v1
 

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SS is too large for Kakashi to warp with Kamui, and his line of sight can simply be blocked by any form of Mokuton as long as it's large enough. In a full on battle between Kakashi and Minato's PS Kurama and Madara's PS Kurama and SS the latter duo would obviously win. Kamui Shuriken can be intercepted by any projectile, and he can't throw enough of them to counter Madara's BD Barrage or Hashirama's chojo, and S/T Barrier can't counter the latter, and would only work for the former if they let Minato set Kunai, but considering they both have battlefield wide attacks that Minato can't block w/ the barrier that won't ever happen.
SS isn't to large to warp when Minato can give Kakashi a cloak and he can build up enough Chakra to warp the entire SS. Minato and Kakashi simply does the PS Kurama fusion this would allow Minato to move them out of the way of any attacks. PS bladed Bijuudama's gets counter extremely hard via Kamui shurikens then Kakashi spits them out his eye right back at Madara. Minato chakra hands can stretch extremely far in chakra mode. Plus he can get his clones to spread Kunai throughout the battlefield as well.

In terms of non avatar combat Hashirama and Madara rape. Flower Tree world hard counters Kamui's ghost mode. The pollen won't cause Kakashi to phase, so he'll have to make himself phase to evade it, and that only lasts for 5 minutes. Minato lacks the firepower to do anything without his Avatar either, and the range is too vast for him to escape without being put to sleep. Attacking Madara and Hashirama directly wouldn't help either, because Madara still has regular Susanoo and Hashirama can just avoid them by merging with his forest.
It's even more of a stomp since Kamui rakiri allows the user to be intangible so that means if he and Minato preform there ps kurama fuison both Kurama and PS would go intangible.


If the founders win the first 2, then they'd definitely win this. Especially since Madara's Limbo and Mokuton hard counters Kamui offensively and defensively.
Madara Limbo is completely useless once Kakashi has ps up.
 

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no its not. Kakashi with measly v1 biju cloak was gonna warp the juubi. rikudo chakra puts ss well within his warping abilities.

That's because that was a lot of chakra he was granted. He only got a tiny fraction of Madara's Rikudo chakra. The power is better obviously but there's no evidence that the amount is superior to what Naruto gave him with the dual Yin-Yang Kurama cloak. Not to mention he needs to build up chakra to warp something that large anyway as the Manga has shown.

.unless its bigger than juubi?

SS>Juubi's body (What was going to be warped)=PS in size.

nah bruh besides 1 shuriken can warp somthing the size of Perfect susanno.

Yeah, if it hits anyway. But it won't so this point doesn't hold. And now that I look at that scan again it's not even PS sized. It's the size of the arms of Kaguya's rabbit monster, and the hands are larger than arms, and the hands aren't even half as large as Kakashi's Susanoo.



They are actually nowhere near that size just by comparing them to Naruto's clones.


And Sakura's body.


thats a waste of chakra taking it on directly. Instead madara can simply be removed from the equation via standard long range kamui, or minato uses Ftg to sneak the kamui shuriken past their assault if need be.which opens a wormhole that sucks in anything within the its perimeter(size of a ps) which would auto counter bladed tbb.

How is Madara being removed by Kamui when Hashirama can sense the build up and is fast enough to block Kakashi's Line of Sight? Not sure how Minato is going to sneak 4 Shuriken past Chojo Kebutsu and Bladed Bijuu Dama when he'd have to sneak a Kunai past said assault in order to warp the shuriken past that. And there's definitely no way a Kunai is going to get past SS and PS Kurama's attacks and then hit Hashirama and/or Madara directly.

And no, it doesn't auto counter bladed BD. At best he'd take 4-6 of them with him.



.hashirama's fists get the same treatment anything within the vicinity is getting pulled in, and given that its a ranged attack and kakashi outsped kaguya's chakra arm (rsm naruto called it fast which is saying something) kakashi keeps out of range while pelting any arms that get past with either direct kamui or kamui shuriken. a kcm clone can set kunai, anytime it reaches troble it can teleport to kakashi or minato and start over, assuming that all the kunai get destroyed somehow.

Keeps out of range of SS? If he does that then Madara would hit him with Bijuu Dama. Not to mention he can't do anything to SS from mid air. Kamui Shuriken used offensively are easily blocked with any projectile from the duo, and his offense on it's own isn't taking down SS, PS and Kurama.

A swing of Madara's blade and the battlefield is razed. If Minato's clone runs away to try and set up Kunai multiple Mountain Ranges away then it'd be obliterated in a heart beat. The bold is a pointless thing to do because Minato will have no opportunity to set kunai that far away when no one on this team can reliably block all of Madara and Hashirama's attacks in a manner that'd protect the clone from any type of damage, especially since it has to break away from Kakashi and Minato in order to set Kunai.


.come again? how is a ground based attack stopping an airborn kakashi? and 1 swing of his sword or minato's tails blows the pollen away anyways.

Read everything I typed there again and then you'll realize why this sentence is irrelevant to what was being stated. That is specifically for after PS and Kurama Avatar have been taken otu.

madara is liable to get sniped ggnore then its 2v1

Not really. Hashirama can block any and all Kamui attempts from Kakashi. Not like it matters, because if PS and Kurama Avatar have been neutralized then these two don't stand a chance in hell of defeating Hashirama regardless of Madara being there or not.

SS isn't to large to warp when Minato can give Kakashi a cloak and he can build up enough Chakra to warp the entire SS. Minato and Kakashi simply does the PS Kurama fusion this would allow Minato to move them out of the way of any attacks. PS bladed Bijuudama's gets counter extremely hard via Kamui shurikens then Kakashi spits them out his eye right back at Madara. Minato chakra hands can stretch extremely far in chakra mode. Plus he can get his clones to spread Kunai throughout the battlefield as well.

Kakashi had Yin-Yang Kurama's cloak when he was going to warp the Juubi. SS is larger than the Juubi by quite a good amount. Juubi's body is only as large as PS, and PS isn't as large as SS's main body let alone the entire structure.


It's even more of a stomp since Kamui rakiri allows the user to be intangible so that means if he and Minato preform there ps kurama fuison both Kurama and PS would go intangible.

Kamui raikiri isn't what lets the user become intangible. Kamui Raikiri is just a Raikiri where Kakashi slips through attacks using the right eye of Kamui and then warps the pierced part to the other dimension. The reason why it's called Kamui Raikiri is because it warps what is pierced. So unless OP permits it there's no way you can claim Kakashi can make PS and Kurama intangible without evidence.

Madara Limbo is completely useless once Kakashi has ps up.

But if PS is up Limbo isn't needed as SS+PS Kurama>Kakashi's PS and Minato's Kurama.
 
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Yet in this scan we see it's hands being the size as PS[ ]. Plus if you look at kamui shurikens there about the size of Kakashi ps hands but when they hit the rabbit arm there small af. Why do you keep saying he was going to warp the Juubi's body? He was going to warp the tails to which in fact climb well past the Juubi's head[ ]
 

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Yet in this scan we see it's hands being the size as PS[ ]. Plus if you look at kamui shurikens there about the size of Kakashi ps hands but when they hit the rabbit arm there small af. Why do you keep saying he was going to warp the Juubi's body? He was going to warp the tails to which in fact climb well past the Juubi's head[ ]

But you don't. That scan doesn't even show anything that'd let you compare the two let alone say they are equal in size.

All he said is that he'll make the Juubi vanish. Why warp the tails with the body when he can just warp the body itself? Especially since the body is in clear eye's view while the tails aren't.
 

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Yet in this scan we see it's hands being the size as PS[ ]. Plus if you look at kamui shurikens there about the size of Kakashi ps hands but when they hit the rabbit arm there small af. Why do you keep saying he was going to warp the Juubi's body? He was going to warp the tails to which in fact climb well past the Juubi's head[ ]

We can also see how small single shrunken compared to the arm wrest .single shrunken is nearly as big as PS's head .
 
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