Kisame vs Minato
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Jugram Haschwalth
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The battle will come down to an outlasting match in which Kisame wins. Swimming in different direction won't help when they'll get water sharks all over their bodies. All Kisame has to do is follow the Minato and ignore the frogs. Minato can't swing in two different places at once.
There has to be a chakra link since it let's Minato teleport to things it's in contact with. There would be no purpose in Minato saying he can teleport things his chakra is directly connected to but ill drop the argument if you can prove that it doesn't require a chakra link to ftg seal. No that's not like saying he'd be able to absorb Bee seal off him. Since what im implying is he'll absorb the chakra out of the seal which would mean Minato can teleport to the seal. Absorbing bee seal would have to be actually absorbing the seal as a whole which he can't. It's not like even if i was wrong it would change the dynamic of this battle.
1- That was a 30% Kisame clone if it were the real Kisame it would be a different outcome.
2- We can't even see how close Kisame blade was in the first place
3- Gai leg was shown in movement in his panel so that is irrelevant.
Not a good idea but ok.
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The seal's only purpose is to mark a location that he can warp to, but Minato's ability to warp himself along with other objects requires physical contact or establishing a chakra connection between him and another individual, not that there's a chakra connection between his seal and that said individual. Deductive reasoning would dictate that if Minato acts as a medium for physical contact, the same would apply in regards to establishing a chakra connection for Hiraishin.
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This makes since i said ill drop the the argument if someone could successfully convince me that there was no chakra link. This still doesn't make sense,since Minato stated he needs a chakra link which implies that ftg is the chakra link he needs.
Even if Kisame couldn't absorb the chakra out of the ftg seal that still doesn't give him the victory here.
You haven't thoroughly explained why Minato was referring to the Hiraishin sealing pattern while I inferred that Minato acted as the medium for that chakra connection considering he acts as a medium for physical interactions as well. Unless you're suggesting that Minato referred to the individual having to make physical contact with his FTG seal, I'd drop this point honestly.
And no, Kisame's practically dead. When Minato has the mental acuity to react to his opponents and strike them within their blind-spot when they're most defenseless, there's absolutely no reason how Kisame can even protect himself. Obito possessed the most superb defensive ability within the manga yet Minato's speed and analytical ability enabled him to tag Obito despite having that aforementioned ability. Kisame gets slaughtered like a pig in a slaughterhouse once he's tagged.
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Jugram Haschwalth
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Ill agree the chakra inside the ftg can't be absorbed only because it's really not the deciding factor in this battle.
No he's not when Minato still can't harm him regardless if he caught with and ftg or not. All his attacks are absorbed or tanked.
I'm under the impression that Kisame won't go into CQC against someone known for their speed, Kisame isn't a very speedy fellow and he knows it. Water matters as he can simply fall through it should Minato try and tag him. I suppose I'll just counter the water dome arguments for now.
-Bunta how the hell are they taking out 1000 sharks when they won't be all together like they were on land? Bunta can only hit so many while others massacre him from the back, same with other summons with no jutsu feats. Combine that with the fact that Kisame and his Kisamehada clones are there to absorb chakra AND GSB is there as well and its gg summons.
lol @ Fukasaka's tongue taking out all of the summons, again you are clearly thinking that they will be summoned in waves like they were on the surface of the water when there was no medium present
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don't see why he cant summon them as he did here and choose where they spawn (didn't spawn exactly where he placed his hand obviously hence the chakra "strings") not to mention mixing shark bombs in blows the flimsy tongue in half, just because its sharp doesn't mean its durable. It never touches him when he's fused :lol if anything he grabs it and drains his chakra seeing as he's reacted to things better than the tongue who's only feat is catching a giant summon. Yes I'm serious about the clones that don't have limited range safe to say he was 10 meters away here
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that combined with it not saying anything in the databook
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is enough proof they don't have range. Don't see why Kisamehada clones don't retain the properties of absorbing chakra either as they have fused into one being now that can be cloned, honestly the clones could simply form a water prison around the saeled kunai themselves thus negating FTG V2 entirely, doubt kunai even exit the dome seeing how hard it is to throw things underwater, even if he does exit it what then? Kisame can easily form another one.Did I even mention GSB? Shits on every summon, basically the water dome filled with sharks, bombs and Kisame himself along with clones will keep Minato occupied the entire time, if WD gets up he loses...period.
Edit- The fact that you only used the tongue from the elder summons means you know they aren't ass relevant as you previously thought when you think about it :lol other summons are honestly better off here.
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Hachibi cut his tentacle off with a chop. Knocking Raikage down means cutting through Samehada? Stop your getting extremely desperate now.
In your opening post you failed to mention how Kisame is taken down all you did was explain how Minato would escape.
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Being known for your speed doesn't automatically mean that you are a beast in close combat. Kisame fought B and realized how fast and proficient he was in close combat yet continued to take him on until he was unable to absorb V2. So why with limited intel on Minato, would Kisame choose to deflect all Kunai and simply fight from afar when he can't even do that outside of water dome?
Lmao @ the bold. If Minato is ever going to tag him it's via Hiraishin V2, and there is no evading that regardless of what method you provide as long as said method relies on Kisame's reaction.
@bold: Lmao this nonsense argument. Regardless of being merged with Samehada, they are clones w/ 10% of Kisame's chakra. Water clones at that. A single hit destroys them.
That's exactly how the technique works as shown in the Manga. Using 5 Feeding Sharks as an example proves absolutely nothing here. 5 fingers to form 5 sharks. Not 5 fingers to form 1000 sharks. :lol If he wants to summon 1000 sharks he's going to have to form them like he did against Gai, and that's when Gamabunta and/or Fukasaku counter them.
And what shark bombs are you even talking about? There is no Suiton attack Kisame possesses outside of GSB that will survive being cut by Fukasaku's tongue nor does he have a Suiton that'd explode and blow it in half. If he fires a shark bullet Fukasaku saws right through it. Since when was durability even a factor here?
And you would think this would be much more useful than having them attack was a wave like he did against Gai considering Gai was standing on the surface of the water. Anyway, your argument is based on little.
Then this is a bad argument if you are serious. Yes, the clones can form a water prison and themselves if it weren't for the fact that they can't react to Minato's attack fast enough to do that. If any clone ever approaches a Kunai Minato warps and kills it in a heartbeat. Or he makes a clone and it kills them off. Whether or not they can absorb chakra doesn't matter because Minato isn't going to be using any chakra based attacks to attack Kisame or his clones here. A Kunai is more than enough.
And who said he'd be throwing Kunai outside of the dome? With intel he can set Kunai far away enough from the initial battlefield to make that an irrelevant point for you to bring up. And if he exits it and Kisame puts it down to try and form another one Minato repeats his strategy and simply warps out every single time so all Kisame is going to do is waste his chakra.
No, and you shouldn't have because S/T Barrier warps it away in a heart beat.
-Kisame has no technique that is similar enough to a bomb for you to call it a bomb. Only shark bullets that deal blunt force damage.
-1000 Sharks is countered. Kisame being able to form all 1000 like he did with the 5 feeding sharks even though it was shown he needs 1 finger for one shark when he wants to create them like that is fanfiction. They all form together and that's when they are attacked.
-If Kisame himself can't do a thing to Minato even with his water dome then we can forget about his 10% fodder clones being any major help here. Especially since they are still Water clones. Dispersed with a single Kunai strike and they aren't as fast or as strong as the original.
Either Minato escapes the Water Dome and kills Kisame or Minato paralyzes him with Frog Call and kills him inside the Water Dome. If he wants to keep on putting up his dome after Minato escapes it then he'll waste all his chakra and Minato will kill him off. Especially since he won't be able to reabsorb chakra from Minato to heal himself.
Minato wins. Period. I already know how this argument will end.
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So now we are arguing Kisame will straight up tank a Kunai to his jugular? You people should quit before this gets even more hilarious than it already is.
Lol @ Minato knowing when the clones approach the Kunai when Bee couldn't see anything in the dome itself
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Will counter the rest when I get back
Minato doesn't have intel btw.
**** it one more thing
-Hungry sharks creates currents that restrict movement
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Don't see why he couldn't recreate that on a higher scale here
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Both are extremely overrated, but Kisame wins high difficulty. Kunia/tag Are useless. Minato lacks the firepower to put Kisame down. Minato "SM" has no feats. Minato being able summon Ma and Pa is debatable.
Oh and I did explain how he'll escape right? That was the major threat. Tagging Kisame is the easiest thing via the use of clones and close contact with them. Ending him, would be the easiest thing too
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It's actually desperation suggesting that Kisame could tank a direct attack from Minato's physical strength. I'm not concerned about the Hachibi slicing off his own limbs when he's one of the strongest beings in the entire manga.
That's the simplistic explanation, but it's more rather that Minato's attack slammed the tentacle at high speeds which knocked Raikage off his feet as a result. I simply fail to see why Kisame withstands the attack when Kisame's explicitly shown to be susceptible to penetrative attacks.
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:lol @ making this post when Minato is a sensor.
And if this is Manga intel then this match ends less than 5 minutes after it begins. There is no scenario where Kisame with Manga intel gets to use Water Dome. Manga intel=No sufficient intel on Minato. No sufficient intel=Minato engages Kisame long before Water Dome becomes a thought=Minato kills him.
1000 feeding sharks would all form in the same general vicinity. Sure, after they are formed they can swim around and try to flank Gamabunta, but it's not like that matters since there are 3 toads and Minato has Ma and Pa.
And the restraining factor doesn't prevent Fukasaku, Shima, and Gamabunta from using Ninjutsu.
But again, with intel Minato teleports away. Without it this never happens as there's no conceivable way for Kisame to reach WD w/o intel on Hiraishin. Obito was Minato's student and still fell for Hiraishin V2, so I don't want to hear anything about Manga intel Kisame being aware enough of Minato's abilities to do what you are saying he'll do from the start.
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