Kaguya/Hagoromo/Ashura/Indra arc ISN'T FILLER

[Umari Senju]

So Hagoromo being born with white Byakugan-looking eyes, even though he was supposedly born with Rinnegan in manga, is canon?

Hagoromo having Sharingan is canon?

Hagoromo using Chidori, a jutsu invented by Kakashi loong after Hagoromo died, is canon?

Hagoromo one-shotting Hamura with Chidori is canon?

Hagoromo having Perfect Susano'o is canon?

Hagoromo creating the Tailed Beasts immediately after becoming the Juubi Jinchuriki, even though multiple times in the manga it is stated he created the Tailed Beasts before his death, is canon?

Indra using Chidori is canon?

Indra having Sasuke's Mangekyo pattern, even though he has his own canon pattern, is canon?

Indra having Sasuke's Susano'o is canon?

Ashura having Rasengan, a jutsu invented by Minato loong after Ashura died, is canon?

Ashura having Wood Style is canon?

Ashura never showing his chakra avatar, which was shown in the manga, is canon?



Filler arc is filler.

This list is epic XD

There you have it. :sdo:

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[Umari Senju]

oooo that's true, still- it's a different form of Kurama and certainly isn't a standard cloak or tailed beast form, whatever it was, was brought out by Kabuto's Hydra Kyuubi Clone experimentation and the Ama no Hoko.

It IS a minor inconsistency that he doesn't recognise it later when he take's Kurama's chakra and unlocks it but i'm not expecting it to give this a shoutout or fit into exact considering the time of Chikara within Shippuden is vague already.

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Regardless, small details like that shouldn't make an entire, enjoyable arc redundant. What matters is that people find entertainment value in it, not that it slots into some historian-style strict timeline like in real life

That's not the point of 123's threads though. He is trying to make anything filler canon. As in we need to take everything that happens in a filler arc (inconstant or no) as canon material.

It's fine if you like a filler arc. (Mine is Shadow of the ANBU) it was based off of an event that took place in canon material but was never really thoroughly explained. Isn't that what a filler should do?

There were no incinsistancies in it and it fits into the canon material just fine....but that doesn't make Shadow of the ANBU canon.

 

[Mari Makinami]

kek 123filler at it again :lol

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

That's not the point of 123's threads though. He is trying to make anything filler canon. As in we need to take everything that happens in a filler arc (inconstant or no) as canon material.

It's fine if you like a filler arc. (Mine is Shadow of the ANBU) it was based off of an event that took place in canon material but was never really thoroughly explained. Isn't that what a filler should do?

There were no incinsistancies in it and it fits into the canon material just fine....but that doesn't make Shadow of the ANBU canon.

I think NB fan culture of completely nullifying and making all slightly non-canon strictly devoid of relevance, development or even enjoyment is just as strange as 123filler's threads. It's rare and you don't find it anywhere else other than deep anime fandoms honestly.

The forum's idea and importance of the word 'canon' is completely author-centric. It acts as if the manga was made by just one man and is a sacred religious text, when Kishimoto has always had editors making HUGE changes and additions, fan reception, insane copying & inspiration from other influences, has incorporated filler characters into his world & now the man has literally handed over the reins to other creators and they're still all denied.

Sure, in the strictest sense of the word ANBU & Chikara aren't written solely by Kishimoto...but that doesn't mean a whole bunch when you think about it.

 

[123fire]

Ashura's avatar was different from what was shown in the manga
isn't that enough evidence ?

What avatar he didn't use any avatar

And Indra's eyes were different too.

OT: 123fire, answer my question. Are Itachi and Shisui's PS canon? I asked you this in a previous thread of yours too and I didnt get an answer.

Yes they're not even though Kishi ONLY DREW THEM , there's a difference between drawing designs and helping with the script

indra/ashura arc is filler af, indra has sasuke's ms, can use chidori/shadow clone and ashura use rasengan etc

What about it? I don't see where this is a contradiction , Minato created rasengan? Well yeah that's what HE thought he wasn't born in Ashura's appear to know

So Hagoromo being born with white Byakugan-looking eyes, even though he was supposedly born with Rinnegan in manga, is canon?

Hagoromo having Sharingan is canon?

Hagoromo using Chidori, a jutsu invented by Kakashi loong after Hagoromo died, is canon?

Hagoromo one-shotting Hamura with Chidori is canon?

Hagoromo having Perfect Susano'o is canon?

Hagoromo creating the Tailed Beasts immediately after becoming the Juubi Jinchuriki, even though multiple times in the manga it is stated he created the Tailed Beasts before his death, is canon?

Indra using Chidori is canon?

Indra having Sasuke's Mangekyo pattern, even though he has his own canon pattern, is canon?

Indra having Sasuke's Susano'o is canon?

Ashura having Rasengan, a jutsu invented by Minato loong after Ashura died, is canon?

Ashura having Wood Style is canon?

Ashura never showing his chakra avatar, which was shown in the manga, is canon?



Filler arc is filler.

IT WAS NEVER SAID IN THE MANGA HAGOROMO WAS BORN WITH RENNIGAN BLACK ZETSU SAID TO OBITO THE ONLY ONE AWAKENING THE RINNEGAN ARE MADARA AND HAGROMO . AWAKENING

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-Yeah It's from sharingan to rinnegan manga facts go read chapter 560

-Lighning jutsus aren't invented by Kakshsi , Hagoromo didn't use chidori it's just a lightning jutsu there's no name to it , lol Kakashi created the lighning style that is what u mean ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-Again It's not chidori it's a lightning jutsu that looks like it Kakashi was the one who named it chidori later on he didn't create it

-Yeah it's canon what about it? He has Mangekyou Sharingan afterall

-No in the manga it is said that Hagoromo scattered them before his death not create them sigh are u that stupid?

-Like I said with Hagoromo...

-What canon patterns that spiral one? Please go now and show me a scan labeling that eye a Mangekyou I'm waiting

-Yeah it's canon go look at the manga scan with that same susano u dumbass

-Yeah now tell me how the fk can Minato know that rasengan existed before ? Did he exist in ashura's era to know about it , he thought he's the one who created it which means there's no contradiction here

-Yeah so even if he has wood style where's the contradiction? Like minato's explanation Hashirama couldn't know about who created wood style , he wasn't alive in ashura's era

-Hagoromo said Ashura and Indra fought multiple times it was just off-panel , now that's really dumb question to ask

#REKT

The solo was to stronk man.

I just REKED him go read^^^

/Thread

no he didn't prove anything he's just spitting nonsense I countered everything he said

 

[Rohan]

Filler War Three has officially begun. kun:

 

[Mohamed Nabil]

What avatar he didn't use any avatar

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[Zawerni]

IT WAS NEVER SAID IN THE MANGA HAGOROMO WAS BORN WITH RENNIGAN BLACK ZETSU SAID TO OBITO THE ONLY ONE AWAKENING THE RINNEGAN ARE MADARA AND HAGROMO . AWAKENING
-Yeah It's from sharingan to rinnegan manga facts go read chapter 560
-Lighning jutsus aren't invented by Kakshsi , Hagoromo didn't use chidori it's just a lightning jutsu there's no name to it , lol Kakashi created the lighning style that is what u mean ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
-Again It's not chidori it's a lightning jutsu that looks like it Kakashi was the one who named it chidori later on he didn't create it
-Yeah it's canon what about it? He has Mangekyou Sharingan afterall
-Yeah now tell me how the fk can Minato know that rasengan existed before ? Did he exist in ashura's era to know about it , he thought he's the one who created it which means there's no contradiction here
-Yeah so even if he has wood style where's the contradiction? Like minato's explanation Hashirama couldn't know about who created wood style , he wasn't alive in ashura's era
-Hagoromo said Ashura and Indra fought multiple times it was just off-panel , now that's really dumb question to ask
#REKT

It was said in the manga that Hagoromo's chakra awakens the Rinnegan. Hagoromo would obviously have Hagoromo's chakra from the moment he is born, obviously, since Hagoromo's chakra is Hagoromo's. It is his own chakra that gives Rinnegan.

If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and swims like a duck, what is it?

Indra has his own Mangekyo Sharingan, yes. He doesn't have Sasuke's Mangekyo though. It would be like drawing Obito with Itachi's Mangekyo.

Manga facts state Minato invented the jutsu. Nothing in the canon manga questions this. If you think Minato didn't actually invent it, then that means Ashura, the son who had no talent whatsoever, managed to create his own jutsu by himself, which also contradicts the story. Pick whichever you want to believe, I suppose.

Manga facts also state Hashirama, Madara, Obito, and Kaguya being the only Wood Style users. Hashirama having the ability naturally, Madara and Obito having the ability from Hashirama's DNA, and Kaguya having the ability because all Kekkei Genkai originate from her.


I'll take Kishimoto's written manga facts over your filler and assumptions

These episodes are filler. Unless you can produce words from Kishimoto himself stating these episodes are canon. Asking him questions doesn't make them canon, since the questions asked are never mentioned. For all we know, they could have asked him questions like:

"What's Hagoromo's favorite vegetable"
"Is Ashura left handed or right handed"

:gn:

 

[123fire]

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Yeah so? It was off-panel in the anime , Hagoromo said they fought multiple times , the fight we saw wasn't the only one

 

[123fire]

It was said in the manga that Hagoromo's chakra awakens the Rinnegan. Hagoromo would obviously have Hagoromo's chakra from the moment he is born, obviously, since Hagoromo's chakra is Hagoromo's. It is his own chakra that gives Rinnegan.

If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and swims like a duck, what is it?

Indra has his own Mangekyo Sharingan, yes. He doesn't have Sasuke's Mangekyo though. It would be like drawing Obito with Itachi's Mangekyo.

Manga facts state Minato invented the jutsu. Nothing in the canon manga questions this. If you think Minato didn't actually invent it, then that means Ashura, the son who had no talent whatsoever, managed to create his own jutsu by himself, which also contradicts the story. Pick whichever you want to believe, I suppose.

Manga facts also state Hashirama, Madara, Obito, and Kaguya being the only Wood Style users. Hashirama having the ability naturally, Madara and Obito having the ability from Hashirama's DNA, and Kaguya having the ability because all Kekkei Genkai originate from her.


I'll take Kishimoto's written manga facts over your filler and assumptions

These episodes are filler. Unless you can produce words from Kishimoto himself stating these episodes are canon. Asking him questions doesn't make them canon, since the questions asked are never mentioned. For all we know, they could have asked him questions like:

"What's Hagoromo's favorite vegetable"
"Is Ashura left handed or right handed"

:gn:

That is how u countered me? WELL THIS MEANS I WON!!! I TOLD YOU THE ARC IS CANON AND DIDN'T CONTRADICT ANYTHING I JUST SOLOED YOU

 

[solo king]

This is so awesome Indra is my fav!

 

[Zawerni]

That is how u countered me? WELL THIS MEANS I WON!!! I TOLD YOU THE ARC IS CANON AND DIDN'T CONTRADICT ANYTHING I JUST SOLOED YOU

Call a doctor and have your brain checked as soon as possible.

 

[Styles]

Okay fillerfire how would black Zetsu know Hagoromo awakened Rinnegan when Hagoromo had it when he sealed Kaguya in six paths CT. And black Zetsu wasn't born yet until Kaguya was nearly sealed away.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

That's not the point of 123's threads though. He is trying to make anything filler canon. As in we need to take everything that happens in a filler arc (inconstant or no) as canon material.

It's fine if you like a filler arc. (Mine is Shadow of the ANBU) it was based off of an event that took place in canon material but was never really thoroughly explained. Isn't that what a filler should do?

There were no incinsistancies in it and it fits into the canon material just fine....but that doesn't make Shadow of the ANBU canon.

THANK YOU!! Fitting into the story does not make it canon, not fitting into the story also doesn't make it any more non canon, it's filler because it wasn't in the original manga, and the original manga was already over to boot. That whole Indra Ashura arc was filler. I'd even give some leeway here if the manga was still running when it was made, as you never know when an author might add something in or a flashback or something, but it wasn't. The manga was over, therefore it's definitely filler

 

[Mori Jin]

What avatar he didn't use any avatar

Yes they're not even though Kishi ONLY DREW THEM , there's a difference between drawing designs and helping with the script

What about it? I don't see where this is a contradiction , Minato created rasengan? Well yeah that's what HE thought he wasn't born in Ashura's appear to know

IT WAS NEVER SAID IN THE MANGA HAGOROMO WAS BORN WITH RENNIGAN BLACK ZETSU SAID TO OBITO THE ONLY ONE AWAKENING THE RINNEGAN ARE MADARA AND HAGROMO . AWAKENING

Spoiler

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-Yeah It's from sharingan to rinnegan manga facts go read chapter 560

-Lighning jutsus aren't invented by Kakshsi , Hagoromo didn't use chidori it's just a lightning jutsu there's no name to it , lol Kakashi created the lighning style that is what u mean ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-Again It's not chidori it's a lightning jutsu that looks like it Kakashi was the one who named it chidori later on he didn't create it

-Yeah it's canon what about it? He has Mangekyou Sharingan afterall

-No in the manga it is said that Hagoromo scattered them before his death not create them sigh are u that stupid?

-Like I said with Hagoromo...

-What canon patterns that spiral one? Please go now and show me a scan labeling that eye a Mangekyou I'm waiting

-Yeah it's canon go look at the manga scan with that same susano u dumbass

-Yeah now tell me how the fk can Minato know that rasengan existed before ? Did he exist in ashura's era to know about it , he thought he's the one who created it which means there's no contradiction here

-Yeah so even if he has wood style where's the contradiction? Like minato's explanation Hashirama couldn't know about who created wood style , he wasn't alive in ashura's era

-Hagoromo said Ashura and Indra fought multiple times it was just off-panel , now that's really dumb question to ask

#REKT

I just REKED him go read^^^


no he didn't prove anything he's just spitting nonsense I countered everything he said

It's filler that's all there is to it. You can deny it all you like, it ain't going to be changing anything.

 

[21Cabbage]

Yes it is, foh with that filler wank

 

[BlacLord™]

No they're did not as I mentioned Kishi was involved= Canon

Asking questions doesn't make it canon.

If that were the case, I could ask him a few questions about Ebisu and then make an arc of mine where he becomes a Juubi Jin who destroys the world.

Because I asked him questions, it makes that canon, right?

 

[123fire]

Okay fillerfire how would black Zetsu know Hagoromo awakened Rinnegan when Hagoromo had it when he sealed Kaguya in six paths CT. And black Zetsu wasn't born yet until Kaguya was nearly sealed away.

That's a manga mistake ask kishi , sinc Erin the manga too Black zetsu knows everything about Kaguya oh wait BLACK ZETSU IS KAGUYA's WILL!!!!!! U moron!

 

[123fire]

Asking questions doesn't make it canon.

If that were the case, I could ask him a few questions about Ebisu and then make an arc of mine where he becomes a Juubi Jin who destroys the world.

Because I asked him questions, it makes that canon, right?

There's a BIG DIFFERENCE ...

 

[BlacLord™]

There's a BIG DIFFERENCE ...

Not really.

An outside source independent of the author and his publisher are making a story. SP make one about Indra and Asura, where they use jutsu that weren't invented till a thousand years later, and I make one about Ebisu becoming the strongest character on the planet that nobody can contend.

We both asked Kishi some questions, so they're both canon.