[Discussion] Why Do People Keep Claiming Shanks Can Take Out Akainu?

[Punk Hazard]

Teach didn't say that. He said it's not time yet, why do you make up stuff point blank I'm really thinking you just like to troll at this point lol.

And why is not time? He said explicitly he's not ready for "something like [Akainu]," which means he's not strong enough to face Akainu yet. If Teach saying "it's not the right time" means it's just bad timing but he's strong enough for Shanks, then turns around and says he's too weak for Akainu, then that's just even better hype for Akainu.

Teach said it's not time because he isn't strong enough.

 

[arv993]

And why is not time? He said explicitly he's not ready for "something like [Akainu]," which means he's not strong enough to face Akainu yet. If Teach saying "it's not the right time" means it's just bad timing but he's strong enough for Shanks, then turns around and says he's too weak for Akainu, then that's just even better hype for Akainu.

Teach said it's not time because he isn't strong enough.

It's not the time can mean a lot of things, it means not to expend wasteful energy in a pointless struggle which can hurt u even if u win.

Why would he fight shanks when there's marines around after he got his objective. Why would he fight akainu when he can gain nothing, his introduction speech was about waiting for the right moment etc. he is cunning not stupid as he is sometimes portrayed.

The right time is like the time he attacked the revolutionaries he got the jump and had the clear advantage.

Is akainu<<<<<<<< old sick wb because he wanted to use squardo, no he wanted every advantage he can get. Even tho that made akainu look a bit bad. Stop spinning ur point and admit your lapses in judgment or that ur a troll.

And what makes the hype even less effective is because BB had his crew, iits not a winnable scenario for akainu.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's not the time can mean a lot of things, it means not to expend wasteful energy in a pointless struggle which can hurt u even if u win.

Why would he fight shanks when there's marines around after he got his objective.

This just makes Akainu's hype look even better. Teach didn't fight Shanks because he didn't have to, but the manga clearly shows him saying he's weaker than Akainu and he was running away in terror.

Why would he fight akainu when he can gain nothing

He needed ship....that's why he was doing the trade in the first place so he DID have something to gain from defeating Akainu.

his introduction speech was about waiting for the right moment etc. he is cunning not stupid as he is sometimes portrayed.

Except his words about not wanting to fight Akainu had nothing to do with it being the wrong moment, he said he wasn't capable of fighting someone like Akainu yet. Yet, he was perfectly fine fighting Garp and Sengoku AFTER he accomplished his objective on Marineford, which throws your "He won't fight if he has nothing to gain" shit out the window AND establishes even better hype for Akainu.

Is akainu<<<<<<<< old sick wb because he wanted to use squardo, no he wanted every advantage he can get. Even tho that made akainu look a bit bad. Stop spinning ur point and admit your lapses in judgment or that ur a troll.

"He wanted to use Squard."

It wasn't Akainu's plan, it was Sengoku's. SENGOKU wanted to have Squard stab Whitebeard and Sengoku had Akainu do the deceiving.

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Don't talk about what you know nothing about.

And what makes the hype even less effective is because BB had his crew, iits not a winnable scenario for akainu.

This makes the hype MORE effective. Teach had his whole crew with him and was STILL scared of Akainu and ran away because he was too weak.

 

[arv993]

This just makes Akainu's hype look even better. Teach didn't fight Shanks because he didn't have to, but the manga clearly shows him saying he's weaker than Akainu and he was running away in terror.


He needed ship....that's why he was doing the trade in the first place so he DID have something to gain from defeating Akainu.


Except his words about not wanting to fight Akainu had nothing to do with it being the wrong moment, he said he wasn't capable of fighting someone like Akainu yet. Yet, he was perfectly fine fighting Garp and Sengoku AFTER he accomplished his objective on Marineford, which throws your "He won't fight if he has nothing to gain" shit out the window AND establishes even better hype for Akainu.




"He wanted to use Squard."

It wasn't Akainu's plan, it was Sengoku's. SENGOKU wanted to have Squard stab Whitebeard and Sengoku had Akainu do the deceiving.

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Don't talk about what you know nothing about.



This makes the hype MORE effective. Teach had his whole crew with him and was STILL scared of Akainu and ran away because he was too weak.

A ship is worth getting into a fight with an admiral?? lol dude the reach is unbelievable not even kaido is likely to do something like that, ppl dont fight admirals for no reason.

So in ur head akainu>> BB's crew your posts are troll worthy.

are u so one dimensional that u believe ppl never act differently lol he was testing out his new toy and had his crew there and the odds got worse as shanks came into play, he cant fight marines and shanks crew. its simple logic. u just leave out the part where there are multiple top tiers(garp and sengoku and later maybe kizaru) against him when shanks was there with his crew.

that discredits the hype, we know for a fact that BB likes to run and generally only does so with something to gain and key word generally and on top of it he had backup. akainu isnt winning that fight buddy hell even kaido isnt

akainu played the most crucial part which is the deception which means he signed on to the plan. Wb even says "akainu said that to u" along those lines akainu and sengoku wanted every little cheapshot to Wb as possible cuz even when he is old and ill he is that strong. dont look even more ignorant dude your statement is like saying going to a police officer and saying " hey i wasnt the mastermind i just merely killed the guy I didnt want to do it". and akainu isnt some punk who is "bittched" around he wanted to go through with it, he kills marines for his justice hes not one to get manipulated or go through with something without him disagreeing with it. But ur arguments are stupidly hilarious so pls do entertain the folks at NB.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Akainu isn't beating any Male emperor Oda made that obvious i say any male emperor because Big mom is obviously weak.

 

[Punk Hazard]

A ship is worth getting into a fight with an admiral?? lol dude the reach is unbelievable not even kaido is likely to do something like that, ppl dont fight admirals for no reason.

Yes. Because all Teach had was a raft that ended up getting wrecked. He desperately needed a ship to accommodate his crew so they could get into the New World without dying.

So in ur head akainu>> BB's crew your posts are troll worthy.

And why not? Teach's crew wasn't anything remarkable then. Teach said Burgess wasn't strong enough to fight Ace, the guy Akainu easily overpowered and killed with one blow. The only people who were COULD be notable were the Impel Down escapees, and nothing indicated they were as strong as Akainu or even remotely close to his level.

It's not impossible for one person to be stronger than an entire crew, especially when that person is an Admiral. We saw Kizaru beat up a group of Supernova captains by himself. It took the entire Strawhat group to fight Oars and a Pacifista. The concept has appeared in the manga before, so it's fully within the realm of possibility for Akainu to be stronger than Teach's crew. The fact that Teach was SCARED shows that it's more than just unfortunate timing.

are u so one dimensional that u believe ppl never act differently lol he was testing out his new toy and had his crew there and the odds got worse as shanks came into play, he cant fight marines and shanks crew. its simple logic. u just leave out the part where there are multiple top tiers(garp and sengoku and later maybe kizaru) against him when shanks was there with his crew

Except that the Marines would also be fighting Shanks, not just fighting Blackbeard. If "testing a new toy" is important enough to Blackbeard that he'll fight the Shichibukai, three Admirals who are still prime for battle, thousands of Marines, Garp, Sengoku, and the rest of the Whitebeard pirates, then why would he not face off against one Admiral for a ship that he desperately needs?

that discredits the hype, we know for a fact that BB likes to run and generally only does so with something to gain and key word generally and on top of it he had backup. akainu isnt winning that fight buddy hell even kaido isnt

Except Teach was scared and said he was running because he was too weak.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Except Teach was scared and said he was running because he was too weak.

BB wasn't an Emperor then. He obviously got much more confidence in his ability considering he attacked the revo army base.

 

[Anduril]

This is a joke. There should be no doubt shanks would have destroyed Akainu, if he was not such a led back character.
You know that moment when shanks protected coby from akainu? he would have sliced akainu's hand apart if he hadn't used the blunt side of his blade to block it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

This is a joke. There should be no doubt shanks would have destroyed Akainu, if he was not such a led back character.
You know that moment when shanks protected coby from akainu? he would have sliced akainu's hand apart if he hadn't used the blunt side of his blade to block it.

By this logic, the Yeti Cool Brothers>Zoro because they could have killed him when they snuck attack him rather than used something that knocked him out.

 

[Luther]

The amount of bias and cult like following of shanks in this forum is shocking.

 

[HashiraMadara]

And why is not time? He said explicitly he's not ready for "something like [Akainu]," which means he's not strong enough to face Akainu yet. If Teach saying "it's not the right time" means it's just bad timing but he's strong enough for Shanks, then turns around and says he's too weak for Akainu, then that's just even better hype for Akainu.

Teach said it's not time because he isn't strong enough.

Doffy gave 0 f*cks to a rouge Aokiji who is ~ Akainu, meanwhile that Doffy was terrified of Kaido who is ~ Shanks.... <== This is more than enough hype...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doffy gave 0 f*cks to a rouge Aokiji who is ~ Akainu, meanwhile that Doffy was terrified of Kaido who is ~ Shanks.... <== This is more than enough hype...

1. Doflamingo has never been shown to be terrified of Kaido.

2. Kaido is the world's strongest creature, placing him above everyone. Even if Doflamingo was scared of Kaido, that doesn't mean anything for Shanks because Shanks isn't as strong as Kaido.

 

[HashiraMadara]

1. Doflamingo has never been shown to be terrified of Kaido.

That seemed to have happened only in the anime, cause Mingo was grinning the Manga...
The point still stands

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2. Kaido is the world's strongest creature, placing him above everyone. Even if Doflamingo was scared of Kaido, that doesn't mean anything for Shanks because Shanks isn't as strong as Kaido.

Shanks intercepted him :sdo: , manga states he is not the negotiating type(Wano, Jack etc. ), whitebeard still was the WSM, Shanks gave 0 f*cks, went there and draw his sword first... clashed with him, came back alive to tell stories about it and WB listened to him and went there to stop Ace(but it was too late)

 

[arv993]

Yes. Because all Teach had was a raft that ended up getting wrecked. He desperately needed a ship to accommodate his crew so they could get into the New World without dying.


And why not? Teach's crew wasn't anything remarkable then. Teach said Burgess wasn't strong enough to fight Ace, the guy Akainu easily overpowered and killed with one blow. The only people who were COULD be notable were the Impel Down escapees, and nothing indicated they were as strong as Akainu or even remotely close to his level.

It's not impossible for one person to be stronger than an entire crew, especially when that person is an Admiral. We saw Kizaru beat up a group of Supernova captains by himself. It took the entire Strawhat group to fight Oars and a Pacifista. The concept has appeared in the manga before, so it's fully within the realm of possibility for Akainu to be stronger than Teach's crew. The fact that Teach was SCARED shows that it's more than just unfortunate timing.


Except that the Marines would also be fighting Shanks, not just fighting Blackbeard. If "testing a new toy" is important enough to Blackbeard that he'll fight the Shichibukai, three Admirals who are still prime for battle, thousands of Marines, Garp, Sengoku, and the rest of the Whitebeard pirates, then why would he not face off against one Admiral for a ship that he desperately needs?


Except Teach was scared and said he was running because he was too weak.

he can steal a million other ships and which he got anyway instead of fighting a crazy admiral which can lead to him being hurt or his crewmates facing a similar consequence. a ship is not anything compared to that stop exaggerating.

luffy facing oars etc or even supernovas are not good examples, shillew alone was better than luffy and his crewmates are considered the most dangerous criminals, add to the fact that BB had a DF that can negate akainu's, its a scenario in which akainu would most certainly lose unless he had backup which they can believe he had.

If u didnt notice akainu and other admirals were busy and he wasnt going to stick it out till all the marines came at him why would he take on so many top tiers and lose. also the dude had a screw loose when he gained GG he went on a frenzy and was even affecting the ground near him and his allies, characters can deviate from time to time, and the guy is growing up in strength and tactics etc like luffy or supernovas(except hes much stronger) so him not acting the same in every confrontation or situations is expected. Its not a difficult concept honestly.

Also he realized at MF that it takes time to master his new Df completely u seem to miss that key part . He never said he was too weak, his powers suggest anything but that, he at that point was pretty even with any admiral and with his crew can beat a single admiral, thats what discredits the hype.

akainu's hype in general is weak compared to yonkos etc, oda shoudve made him mid diff a battered old WB but he had extreme diff he even tried to get every advantage through squardo. and i guess ur not arguing the squardo thing cuz it does devalue akainu a bit doesnt it. oda never focused on the akainu nearly as much as hes doing with the yonkos especially kaido and shanks.

 

[Punk Hazard]

he can steal a million other ships and which he got anyway instead of fighting a crazy admiral which can lead to him being hurt or his crewmates facing a similar consequence. a ship is not anything compared to that stop exaggerating.

If he could steal a million other ships, then he wouldn't have bothered to try and make the deal in the first place.

luffy facing oars etc or even supernovas are not good examples, shillew alone was better than luffy and his crewmates are considered the most dangerous criminals,

That was to show the concept has happened in the manga...

add to the fact that BB had a DF that can negate akainu's, its a scenario in which akainu would most certainly lose unless he had backup which they can believe he had.

In order for Teach to do that, he'd have to pull Akainu close. When Teach tried that with Ace, he ended up getting two spears of fire in his chest. Replace that with Akainu exploding with magma everywhere, and Teach gets smothered and covered in magma as Akainu is pulled through the air.

If u didnt notice akainu and other admirals were busy and he wasnt going to stick it out till all the marines came at him why would he take on so many top tiers and lose. also the dude had a screw loose when he gained GG he went on a frenzy and was even affecting the ground near him and his allies, characters can deviate from time to time, and the guy is growing up in stregth and tactics etc like luffy or supernovas(except hes much stronger) so him not acting the same in every confrontation or situations is expected.

Talk about reaching. Convenient that Teach suddenly has multiple personality disorder to explain why he wants to fight people stronger than Akainu and then runs away in fear from Akainu.

Its not a difficult concept honestly. He never said he was too weak, his powers suggest anything but that, he at that point was pretty even with any admiral and with his crew can beat a single admiral, thats what discredits the hype.

1. Teach said "I'm not ready for something like that" and ran away in FEAR. Why would he be SCARED of Akainu if he could defeat him? Why would he be FRIGHTFUL of Akainu if his crew could defeat him?

2. You have zero proof that Teach's crew had the strength to fight an Admiral. The second strongest member couldn't even beat Ace, and you think they'd be able to beat Akainu? **** outta here, kid.

akainu's hype in general is weak compared to yonkos etc, oda shoudve made him mid diff a battered old WB but he had extreme diff he even tried to get every advantage through squardo. and i guess ur not arguing the squardo thing cuz it does devalue akainu a bit doesnt it. he never focused on the guy solely nearly as much as hes doing with the yonkos especially kaido and shanks.

I didn't argue the Squard thing because you didn't say a single intelligent argument in that paragraph. SENGOKU decided to have Squard stab Whitebeard. AKAINU didn't care and attacked him straight up with ZERO tricks when it didn't work, making what you say about Akainu looking for every advantage a load of shit. What advantages did Akainu look for? What underhanded tactics did he use when he ran up on Akainu and directly confronted him by himself?

 

[arv993]

If he could steal a million other ships, then he wouldn't have bothered to try and make the deal in the first place.



That was to show the concept has happened in the manga...



In order for Teach to do that, he'd have to pull Akainu close. When Teach tried that with Ace, he ended up getting two spears of fire in his chest. Replace that with Akainu exploding with magma everywhere, and Teach gets smothered and covered in magma as Akainu is pulled through the air.



Talk about reaching. Convenient that Teach suddenly has multiple personality disorder to explain why he wants to fight people stronger than Akainu and then runs away in fear from Akainu.



1. Teach said "I'm not ready for something like that" and ran away in FEAR. Why would he be SCARED of Akainu if he could defeat him? Why would he be FRIGHTFUL of Akainu if his crew could defeat him?

2. You have zero proof that Teach's crew had the strength to fight an Admiral. The second strongest member couldn't even beat Ace, and you think they'd be able to beat Akainu? **** outta here, kid.


I didn't argue the Squard thing because you didn't say a single intelligent argument in that paragraph. SENGOKU decided to have Squard stab Whitebeard. AKAINU didn't care and attacked him straight up with ZERO tricks when it didn't work, making what you say about Akainu looking for every advantage a load of shit. What advantages did Akainu look for? What underhanded tactics did he use when he ran up on Akainu and directly confronted him by himself?

He wanted a warship not easy to get but still not worth fighting a navy admiral, if one or twoo crewmates died he loses a hell of a lot more than he gains. Do you really wanna stubborn about this, its common sense.

also the statement was I wasnt ready to take on these things yet, he also recently ran away from CP0 after taking on the revolutionaries and still being in good condition. The guy is tactical not a moron who fights for no reason.

the comparison is still bad tho since BB was tiers above luffy at that point. ofc it happened even now strawhats probably lose to yonko or an admiral.

so teach is a one dimensional character?, no he is cunning yet stupidly overconfident like against WB b4 he died. When he thinks he has no chance of losing he became reckless, is that called a personality disorder? no, its called hubris. I guess no character ever displayed that b4, see what i mean when you really think about it your position on this just seems ignorant but i did LOL at the personality disorder thing so thanks for that.

LOL the guy can negate akainu's abilities and has Wb's powers and he has some of the most fearsome criminals the govt did not want out. Burgess is not the second strongest where did you get that from, that was prior to acquiring multiple stronger allies. Oh someone seems mad his bad arguments are getting called out

So akainu being the main guy to deceive squardo means he didnt care about the plan, akainu was on board with it, him and sengoku wanted every advantage they can get. Why even stage that whole incident then.It did work they wanted to stab him and they did oda made Wb go down on a knee and sweat bullets with a pained look on his face. and the navy wanted every hit they can get.

 

[Wizard_Impressive]

How to spot someone who doesn't understand the world of One Piece and only pays attention to throwing fists.

okay b

 

[Punk Hazard]

okay b

If you paid attention to the world of One Piece, you'd understand why fighting Shanks wasn't an option at Marineford, win or lose.

 

[Wizard_Impressive]

If you paid attention to the world of One Piece, you'd understand why fighting Shanks wasn't an option at Marineford, win or lose.

i make 1 comment and suddenly i don't understand the world of one piece

 

[Punk Hazard]

i make 1 comment and suddenly i don't understand the world of one piece

Why did they choose to fight Shanks? I wonder what your answer is.