'FILLER' & Death of the Author (Naruto)

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Its filler bruh. Sorry
To all those who have thought or posted something like this before, i'd recommend quickly looking into the 'Death of the Author' by literary theorist Roland Barthes. Weird to apply it to something like Naruto but the amount of people who try and censor and make the anime, novels and movies redundant is...staggering and counter-productive.​


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(a small gif of the legendary 'Madara Returns'- a 'non-canon' episode, technically.)

If you place biblical-like authorship and ownership of the series to Kishimoto...even though Masashi was never the lone creator, contributor or even writer then you limit the story for yourself. Kishimoto was aided by inspirations (HunterXHunter, DBZ) guided at every turn by editors and co-writers (one of which suggested SASUKE. Pretty integral part of the manga there)

and his reception (us) has influenced the manga and the anime onwards. We only get Itachi and Kakashi exposure for example because they are well-liked characters- therefore we, the audience actively change the story.

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People who disregard perfectly good new stories are dampening the series for themselves. Making perfectly good stories and arcs (some even better than canon arcs cough Shikamaru Hiden, cough Will of Fire, cough Chikara) irrelevant for no reason when all Naruto media is unanimous and there to entertain you. As long as the filler does not contradict existing information there is no reason other than elitism than to ruin the story for yourself by pretending it didn't happen.

Fictional universes don't work that way- we don't catalogue histories like we do in real life for pinpoint precision, we . Naruto's filler keeps the world intact and isn't even that bizarre compared to other series- it simply worldbuilds and gives us more stories. Are they badly placed and paced throughout the series? Yes. Does that make them irrelevant? No.


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(More important & iconic moments in the series which didn't and could never have happened....for some reason....because the internet told you so and you believed them.)

Every gif up there is from an episode that expands on the original story, fixes some of the manga's errors and blank spaces and entertains, sometimes moreso than 'canon arcs'. People who invalidate the majority of Naruto media are putting more thought into it than Kishimoto himself. Really all of you know that what we could use right now as fans is simply, more Naruto. So why do so many fans refuse it?
 
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Not everything in filler and movies is done to put out meaningless stories, kishi is involved in the making of it so of course some stuff is meant to broaden our understanding of naruto world. Tbh I believe most of the shippuden movies have greater ramifications to the story like revealing abilities that will prove to be canon later.
 

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Not everything in filler and movies is done to put out meaningless stories, kishi is involved in the making of it so of course some stuff is meant to broaden our understanding of naruto world. Tbh I believe most of the shippuden movies have greater ramifications to the story like revealing abilities that will prove to be canon later.

As well as giving additional and relevant character moments and development to our main characters. Shikamaru, Naruto and Kakashi come a LONG way in Will of Fire, it's right after Asuma's death and it actually plays on themes and relationships that have an impact on the main story.

Sakura and Naruto grow a lot in RtN.

Is there any reason at all why Konohamaru VS Temari shouldn't have happened? What manga ramifications does that have for the consistency or our enjoyment of the Ninja fictional world? It's...entertaining and an awesome battle.
 

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As well as giving additional and relevant character moments and development to our main characters. Shikamaru, Naruto and Kakashi come a LONG way in Will of Fire, it's right after Asuma's death and it actually plays on themes and relationships that have an impact on the main story.

Sakura and Naruto grow a lot in RtN.

Is there any reason at all why Konohamaru VS Temari shouldn't have happened? What manga ramifications does that have for the consistency or our enjoyment of the Ninja fictional world? It's...entertaining and an awesome battle.

When did konahamaru fight temari
 

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fillers just a term, the fact that anyone is even bothered or bugged by it is beyond me. while sometimes filler arcs are ok, a lot of times they're horrible and contradict things stated in the manga. Some people would rather go with the original work, It's not that big of a deal
 

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fillers just a term, the fact that anyone is even bothered or bugged by it is beyond me. while sometimes filler arcs are ok, a lot of times they're horrible and contradict things stated in the manga. Some people would rather go with the original work, It's not that big of a deal

I think the point the OP is trying to make is people say we should never take fillers seriously and everything that happens in them even when in the manga are false
 

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fillers just a term, the fact that anyone is even bothered or bugged by it is beyond me. while sometimes filler arcs are ok, a lot of times they're horrible and contradict things stated in the manga. Some people would rather go with the original work, It's not that big of a deal

It's a term and an attitude.

Call me a pretentious literary student but this is actually a whole debate that relates to all fiction and the way we disregard stories and overworship 'the author'. It's just a subject that's always really interested me.

I think the 'it contradicts the manga' argument is null also actually, especially when Kishimoto contradicts himself a LOT within his own chapters.
 

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I think the point the OP is trying to make is people say we should never take fillers seriously and everything that happens in them even when in the manga are false

Actually it's quite the opposite. I think the distinction between filler and 'canon' is fan-made and doesn't matter at all. They are all stories and none of those stories, even the manga were written by just Masashi Kishimoto.

[video=youtube;sGeodH15bCU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGeodH15bCU&ab_channel=KonohamaruThe8thHokage[/video]

also here's the full fight. Great animation and sick action- Konohamaru is feeling left out of the war preparations since he's too young and is trying to prove himself, so he challenges the first Jonin he sees.
 

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It's a term and an attitude.

Call me a pretentious literary student but this is actually a whole debate that relates to all fiction and the way we disregard stories and overworship 'the author'. It's just a subject that's always really interested me.

I think the 'it contradicts the manga' argument is null also actually, especially when Kishimoto contradicts himself a LOT within his own chapters.

That's fine, but why add more contradictions that just make things ridiculous sometimes? I'm not just talking about naruto either. Plus, if people want to have a serious debate about things that happened in the manga, it's easier to keep it within that if you know what's canon and what's not. Like I said, not a big deal
 

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That's fine, but why add more contradictions that just make things ridiculous sometimes? I'm not just talking about naruto either. Plus, if people want to have a serious debate about things that happened in the manga, it's easier to keep it within that if you know what's canon and what's not. Like I said, not a big deal

I think that's just strange fan culture though, that's only extremes where fans meticulously calculate the science of what happened in the original like NB fans do. NB is perhaps one of 2 places on the entire internet that fan culture gets that intense for Naruto. Regardless, this act of treating Naruto feats, abilities and lore as if it is set in stone actual history removes a lot of entertainment value from the series. If you have to straightup naively invalidate whole branches of Naruto media to know the world then I don't think it's worth it.

It wouldn't even matter, people can read stories how they like but clearly the internet's terms and the forum's attitude is what has taught people to ignore the anime, movies and novels entirely. In no other media than anime do you EVER get that, it's actually bizarre.
 

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Books>movies in canon.

Anything that came before> thing that came after.

You're wrong. Deal with it.

Stop being a relativist that thinks their could be two right answers.
 

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I think that's just strange fan culture though, that's only extremes where fans meticulously calculate the science of what happened in the original like NB fans do. NB is perhaps one of 2 places on the entire internet that fan culture gets that intense for Naruto. Regardless, this act of treating Naruto feats, abilities and lore as if it is set in stone actual history removes a lot of entertainment value from the series. If you have to straightup naively invalidate whole branches of Naruto media to know the world then I don't think it's worth it.

It wouldn't even matter, people can read stories how they like but clearly the internet's terms and the forum's attitude is what has taught people to ignore the anime, movies and novels entirely. In no other media than anime do you EVER get that, it's actually bizarre.

To be honest I've found bleach filler hating to be much worse. It's not like it's a bad word, and like you said, it mainly is for that group of people. I kinda get where your coming from with a writers perspective, but for the most part outside the jokes it's really a non negative descript word, filler doesn't always equate to bad just like canon doesn't always equate to good. Or at least that's how I view it
 
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Books>movies in canon.

Anything that came before> thing that came after.

You're wrong. Deal with it.

Stop being a relativist that thinks their could be two right answers.

You a lil salty ? Did he steal your lunch money or something.
 

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Its filler bruh. Sorry
^joke-you're right btw
 

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I agree and don't agree , some fillers are decent and some fillers are horrible and can't be taken seriously . It's 50 50
 

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I agree and don't agree , some fillers are decent and some fillers are horrible and can't be taken seriously . It's 50 50

Just because you like or dislike an episode's quality doesn't decide how valid it is. This is what NB doesn't really get.
 

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You a lil salty ? Did he steal your lunch money or something.

lol right? It's literally just a thread that doesn't insult or target anyone xD

Too busy roleplaying Sasuke online where he can be an anonymous edgelord instead of actually having to debate back or contribute to the discussion.

To be honest I've found bleach filler hating to be much worse. It's not like it's a bad word, and like you said, it mainly is for that group of people. I kinda get where your coming from with a writers perspective, but for the most part outside the jokes it's really a non negative descript word, filler doesn't always equate to bad just like canon doesn't always equate to good. Or at least that's how I view it

Agreed, filler if used as a describing term with no negative connotations is fine to use, i'm not saying everybody squint your eyes and ignore the bad pacing and atmosphere breaking that badly implemented filler episodes create- but a story really is just a story. Anime doesn't get to be different to the rest of fiction no matter how much we overanalyse it.
 
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which episode is the Kushina gif from? also cool thread i mostly agree

definitely been led to believe by nb and tumblr that filler should be trashed instantly, I did question it for a while
 
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