Databook 4 Biggest Error

[SasukeSixPack]

There is no error. The opinion of the author is official, while any fanboy disagreement should be ignored. The author portrayed Madara more powerful because of his hypothetical potential accessibility to an arsenal that Sasuke lacks. Every version of Madara correlated to Sasuke is stronger.

Sharingan Madara > Sharingan Sasuke.
EMS Madara > EMS Sasuke.
Rinnegan Madara > Rinnegan Sasuke.

You should personally consult the author and tell him you're butthurt that your favourite character gets child molested by the overwhelming powerful Uchiha Madara.

Stopped reading at the Bold. Get out with that nonsense and your butthurt Neg rep means nothing. Rin'negan Sasuke is superior to Rin'negan Madara, do you even read the Manga?? Madara can't beat a Rin'negan Sasuke without being Juubi's Jinchuriki this is based on so many thing

1. That statement obviously refers to Madara back when he was alive as the context of that entire first couple sentences is about Madara when he was the head of the Uchiha clan. So there is no discrepancy.

2. Even if it wasn't referring to that time JJ Madara w/ both eyes is stronger than any Sasuke shown during the Manga up to the Kaguya fight, and he's stronger than any Sasuke post Kaguya fight and post Manga. So the statement still isn't wrong.

Ok That makes Sense. Clarify one thing, Do you think Adult Sasuke could take on !RJJ Madara on his own or is he stronger and more on DRJJ Madara's level?

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok That makes Sense. Clarify one thing, Do you think Adult Sasuke could take on !RJJ Madara on his own or is he stronger and more on DRJJ Madara's level?

He can definitely take 1 eyed Madara on his own. I'd say he's on DR JJ Madara's tier if I were to make a list.

 

[Edogawa]

Stopped reading at the Bold. Get out with that nonsense and your butthurt Neg rep means nothing. Rin'negan Sasuke is superior to Rin'negan Madara, do you even read the Manga?? Madara can't beat a Rin'negan Sasuke without being Juubi's Jinchuriki this is based on so many thing

I'm not bothered whether you read or you stopped reading. Author says Madara is stronger than Sasuke and there is no refute to it. Contact the author and concern him with your anger issues.

Lol at KidGamer65. He plagiarised what Waltz said without crediting him. Talk about originality.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not bothered whether you read or you stopped reading. Author says Madara is stronger than Sasuke and there is no refute to it. Contact the author and concern him with your anger issues.

Lol at KidGamer65. He plagiarised what Waltz said without crediting him. Talk about originality.

What I typed is simply a conclusion anyone with half a brain would reach.

 

[Edogawa]

Lmao look at this disgusting little vermin. What I typed is simply a conclusion anyone with half a brain would reach.

But you wouldn't know that because you don't have a brain at all let alone half, at least not a properly functioning one. :lol

That conclusion was brought up by Waltz to begin with, so at least be honest with yourself and others where you got your answer from, and give credit to the person who brought up the point.

 

[KidGamer65]

That conclusion was brought up by Waltz to begin with, so at least be honest with yourself and others where you got your answer from, and give credit to the person who brought up the point.

:lol "Conclusion". It's something literally stated in black and white in the Databook entry. He reached that conclusion because that was what was stated.

Why don't you stop replying to me and go back to trying to explain how Nagato beats Hashirama? :lol

 

[Icelerate]

Makes no sense, but it is what it is. Likely just shit chakra control.

Are you honestly saying Madara has shit chakra control?

 

[NarutoX28]

Are you honestly saying Madara has shit chakra control?

I'm saying that could be one explanation for why Madara's compressed Katons are shitty because he doesn't excel in that area of chakra control. People need to understand that there are different aspects of chakra control and merely being elite in chakra control doesn't mean that you're elite in everything in regards to ninjutsu. For example, Tsunade has incredible chakra control, but she lacks the ability to counter Genjutsu effectively which is further supported by her inability to use Yin Release in the Databook.

But Ezaar already mentioned that Madara was incapable of using chakra properly while Edo Tensei was released which is why I conceded and it makes perfect sense because even I agree that Madara's compressed Katons should be far above Hebi Sasuke's.

 

[TheSages456]

Madara used a different jutsu than Sasuke. They have different names despite looking similar.

 

[Nobel]

, these sasuke faps must be put on leash .

 

[shelke]

Great point.

I'm fine with that, but what I'm not okay with is people disregarding Sasuke's capabilities just because he's never shown Large Scale Katon in the first place.

Highly doubt it, as after the initial disturbance, Itachi was able to cast a perfect Genjutsu on Sasuke to show him his memories without any difficulties:

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Madara also makes no comments that his chakra was disturbed, hence the Jutsu didn't have its usual strength. It's conjecture.

Yes.​

Show me this scan of Itachi tearing up the ground. This is probably a case of us having different understanding of tearing up the ground. For me it's making a crator, and anything less is just moderate damage achievable by anyone who can put some power and compression into his/her fireball.​

The image has already been posted. A crater is always a bowl-shaped cavity in the ground; the kind Naruto creates with FRS. I am not sure why you are even using this term.

Oh really? Then do explain why Sasuke's dragon jutsu was able to break through the hideout wall and Madara's was lol-diffed by Tsunade - despite looking almost exactly the same (having firm shape). Like I already said, you aren't able to discern whether a katon jutsu is compressed just by looking at its drawing. And I have already addressed why the fire stream wasn't able go through gaps deep in DFE in my previous post.

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It was much much smaller? Where have you addressed that it was unable to go through the gaps?

 

[Tantalus Thief]

This is the problem with most of the people on this site. People love to add their own spin to statements when it doesn't cater to their beliefs.

Madara is the strongest Uchiha according to the author.
It's weird how people actually believe that Sasuke would defeat Madara if the 2 were to actually fight in the manga.

Also, I'm not sure how you got the idea that Sasuke alone spurred Madara to get his other Rinnegan.

are you talking about JJ 2 eyed Madara and Rinnegan Sasuke right?

 

[TheSages456]

are you talking about JJ 2 eyed Madara and Rinnegan Sasuke right?

Why would the article be talking about Madara as a jinchuriki?

This is the page where the statement is made:

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While I'm back on the topic, the arguments that people are using about context holds no water.
That would be like saying that the sentence in the beginning of Naruto's entry here,

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… When Team 7 was formed, he swore a great dream to his comrades. Now, he was in the process of making it a reality. By training with Jiraiya and battling fiercely with “Akatsuki”, Naruto certainly achieved growth and maturity. In addition to primarily being full of expressive power and inventiveness, he also possessed the same “Senjutsu” as his master. Naruto even obtained the power (of being a)“Perfect Jinchuuriki”because of being linked to his Tailed-Beast.

determines the time period of the entire article, which would be the moment when Team 7 was formed, yet that doesn't hold true. The time period in the next sentence isn't even the same as the one in the previous and I'm sure that there are more examples like this in the databook.

This of course ignores the fact that the databook always uses past tense language to describe past events without fail, yet present tense language is blatantly used in the 2 sentences discussing Madara's strength.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

are you talking about JJ 2 eyed Madara and Rinnegan Sasuke right?

Its crazy ppl actually believe that Madara outside of being a jin is stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke. I dont even see where the proof from that comes from....even tho the DB says that feats say differently

 

[LoZelda101]

Yeah, in combat without using nearly their full power. And Madara still lost. Only reason Madara got to that stage anyway was because of Kurama's 12 BD destroying a large portion of SS's arms. Without that, Madara would've gotten pummeled from Choujo Kebutsu full assault. Guess that statement was taking into account Kurama as if it was part of Madara's own power.

EMS/Edo Madara can match up to SM Mokujin Hashirama, and that was shown in canon twice - once in VoTE, where they were stalemating until Hashirama brought out SS which was only countered and survived because of Kurama, the other time in the War Arc, where Hashirama fought and managed to immobilize full-powered Edo Madara via Mokuryuu/Myojinmon, therefore he won. Madara didn't have any answer to SS at VoTE without Kurama, then lost again without SS even being used, clearly indicating Madara is not equal to Hashirama's full power. Facts of the manga. I'm done here.

interesting. I wonder if underline would also apply to sasuke's 8.5 bijuus.

 

[NarutoX28]

interesting. I wonder if underline would also apply to sasuke's 8.5 bijuus.

I'd say no because Sasuke can't summon them manually like Madara could with Kurama.

 

[Mocoloco8]

The context of the entire entry was during the time when he and hashirama were alive.

Taking statements in the manga and databook at purely face value without including context will lead you to all kinds of crazy conclusions including Kakashi's raikiri being able to cut through literally anything, all jutsu being meaningless in front of chuunin neji and his hyuuga techniques, 50% rasenshuriken being able to take out anybody, amaterasu being unavoidable, etc.

Anyways, the manga clearly stated that

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(which includes Hashirama) when he attained his rikudou senin mode.
It also clearly stated that

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So even if feats that clearly put Sasuke above Madara are completely ignored, statements from the Manga which is the source material above the databooks which are mere supplementary put Sasuke above Madara as well as he is Naruto's equal.

 

[Waltz]

Why would the article be talking about Madara as a jinchuriki?

This is the page where the statement is made:

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While I'm back on the topic, the arguments that people are using about context holds no water.
That would be like saying that the sentence in the beginning of Naruto's entry here,

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… When Team 7 was formed, he swore a great dream to his comrades. Now, he was in the process of making it a reality. By training with Jiraiya and battling fiercely with “Akatsuki”, Naruto certainly achieved growth and maturity. In addition to primarily being full of expressive power and inventiveness, he also possessed the same “Senjutsu” as his master. Naruto even obtained the power (of being a)“Perfect Jinchuuriki”because of being linked to his Tailed-Beast.

determines the time period of the entire article, which would be the moment when Team 7 was formed, yet that doesn't hold true. The time period in the next sentence isn't even the same as the one in the previous and I'm sure that there are more examples like this in the databook.

This of course ignores the fact that the databook always uses past tense language to describe past events without fail, yet present tense language is blatantly used in the 2 sentences discussing Madara's strength.

However; nothing in that excerpt dictates Naruto achieved the said accomplishments when he swore a great dream to his comrades because the context for the trailing statements specifically sets that he was in the process of making that dream into a reality. We know the context is not when he swore a great dream to his comrades because the article specifically states that is what he did when Team 7 was formed.​

 

[LoZelda101]

I'd say no because Sasuke can't summon them manually like Madara could with Kurama.

that's true. would this still apply to naruto as well? particular before he befriended kurama.

 

[NarutoX28]

that's true. would this still apply to naruto as well? particular before he befriended kurama.

Of course. Why wouldn't it?