Databook 4 Biggest Error

[shelke]

Through logical power scaling, we can determine many things even if character's don't have the feats to suggest it and everything points towards Sasuke being capable of replicating Madara's feats. This is why P1 Hiruzen's flames are much stronger than P1 Sasuke's despite encompassing a smaller scale because of logical power scaling and the fact that character's are capable of compressing the flames depending on how they manipulate their chakra.

The are?

Did your account get hacked? Never seen you so aggressive, haha.

 

[The Messiah]

All of you saying Sasuke is stronger are trying to compare rinnegan Sasuke to pre jj Madara or just trying to compare each of their rinnegans which isn't fair since Sasuke got his directly from the sage.

If we compare strictly ems Madara and ems Sasuke then Madara is stronger and don't bring up adult ems Sasuke because we won't see adult Sasuke strictly with ems. Knowing how kishi works adult ems Sasuke would at least be equal though.

 

[NarutoX28]

The are?

Did your account get hacked? Never seen you so aggressive, haha.

Yes, they are because his ninjutsu as a whole was considered to be worthy of the Kage name.

And yeah, I'm usually not that aggressive, but the guy's being ignorant and chooses to ignore my argument as a whole.

 

[shelke]

Yes, they are because his ninjutsu as a whole was considered to be worthy of the Kage name.

And yeah, I'm usually not that aggressive, but the guy's being ignorant and chooses to ignore my argument as a whole.

I misread it as P 2. Nevermind.

Well, the databook covers everything. If someone ignores it then there is no point in arguing.

 

[NarutoX28]

I misread it as P 2. Nevermind.

Well, the databook covers everything. If someone ignores it then there is no point in arguing.

Agreed. The guy's simply being butt-hurt. You presented that whilst using the same jutsu, Sasuke's was flat out superior considering Tsunade's whacked Madara's away, but he chooses to ignore it completely.

 

[Guntah]

I thought it was confirmed that madara was the strongest indra transmigrant

If you count JJ Madara in, he is by quite a margin.

 

[shelke]

Agreed. The guy's simply being butt-hurt. You presented that whilst using the same jutsu, Sasuke's was flat out superior considering Tsunade's whacked Madara's away, but he chooses to ignore it completely.

I have no idea why his compressed Katon is so inferior, though. Itachi, as a 30 % clone with the Jutsu and strength locked at 30% as well, tore up the ground like no body's business. This guy's Dragon one got swatted away. It was so small too and accomplished nothing ...

Do Sasuke and Itachi more potent chakra?

 

[NarutoX28]

I have no idea why his compressed Katon is so inferior, though. Itachi, as a 30 % clone with the Jutsu and strength locked at 30% as well, tore up the ground like no body's business. This guy's Dragon one got swatted away.

Makes no sense, but it is what it is. Likely just shit chakra control.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

None of his uncompressed Katons have ever torn up the ground and the last one couldn't even get through the gaps in the trees:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

So, he isn't doing it when he hasn't shown it.

When has Sasuke made a crator in the ground with katon? A katon fireball jutsu performed with some level of seriousness will do some damage to the ground but will not tear it up. And the original argument was about the hideout wall, which Madara's gouka mekkyaku is capable of destroying. You have no way of discerning whether said jutsu was compressed or not. As for the last one you underestimate the size of deep forest emergence. The katon jutsu was intended to bake anything towards the top and because it was extremely wide-ranged it never had a chance of destroying a large portion of a mokuton based forest or going gaps towards the bottom.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

​

 

[shelke]

Makes no sense, but it is what it is. Likely just shit chakra control.

Can't be. I mean, yeah, Sasuke's is unmatched in the whole manga (sage's level and all), but Susanoo is nothing but Chakra control and stabilization. PS is complete susanoo only with the chakra stabilized.

I guess Itachi's CC is better than his as well. Otherwise, it makes no sense for his compressed version to be so laughably inferior.

 

[NarutoX28]

Can't be. I mean, yeah, Sasuke's is unmatched in the whole manga (sage's level and all), but Susanoo is nothing but Chakra control and stabilization. PS is complete susanoo only with the chakra stabilized.

I guess Itachi's CC is better than his as well. Otherwise, it makes no sense for his compressed version to be so laughably inferior.

It doesn't make sense, but people excel in different aspects of chakra control.

 

[Booker]

I bet it's referring to natural Uchiha ability, up to EMS.

Because if that's the case, EMS Mads > EMS Sasuke. It's also a natural stopping point before we get into crazy sh*t like Rinnegan power ups, Senju DNA, Juubi Jins, etc etc.

 

[shelke]

When has Sasuke made a crator in the ground with katon? A katon fireball jutsu performed with some level of seriousness will do some damage to the ground but will not tear it up. And the original argument was about the hideout wall, which Madara's gouka mekkyaku is capable of destroying. You have no way of discerning whether said jutsu was compressed or not. As for the last one you underestimate the size of deep forest emergence. The katon jutsu was intended to bake anything towards the top and because it was extremely wide-ranged it never had a chance of destroying a large portion of a mokuton based forest or going gaps towards the bottom.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

​

So, he can match Itachi's Katon and overpower it too, break apart the hideout's wall, but can't tear up the ground, which was done by Itachi's Katon at 30 % of its strength? And what does "serious" usage mean? Is he nonserious in all of this?

Compressed fire jutsus show firm shapes. These do not. Again, it has nothing to do with the size but with the potency of the flames. Yet, his flames still failed to burrow through the gaps. But, he breaks walls?

It doesn't make sense, but people excel in different aspects of chakra control.

Well, since Sasuke and Itachi could make Susanoo just as easily, then I guess Madara doesn't excel in this department. Also, CC covers everything. The ninjas apptitude decides where they want to channel it.

 

[Exaar]

Agreed. The guy's simply being butt-hurt. You presented that whilst using the same jutsu, Sasuke's was flat out superior considering Tsunade's whacked Madara's away, but he chooses to ignore it completely.

To be fair, When he cast that jutsu against tsunade, Edo tensei was being released.

It caused madara's susanoo to dissipate

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Since if affected his susanoo like it did, i think it's safe to assume it affected all his chakra based abilities

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Can I see the scan where he created that crater?

Did I say Madara made a crator? IIRC neither have.​

 

[shelke]

Did I say Madara made a crator? IIRC neither have.​

I edited my post. Read it again.

 

[UnknownJin]

Your ignorance is amusing, but you're absolutely wrong. The flames are potent enough to do it on its own lonesome.

Your argument has already been addressed. Sasuke not having the feats to do it doesn't suggest he can't. Majority of his feats involves him compressing his Katon to the absolute limit to create more potent flames as a result. Why do you think Madara's and Obito's Juubi Sized Katon did nothing against the Shinobi Alliance? Because increasing the scale of the jutsu merely disperses the flames over a larger distance and makes them much weaker as a result. As I've stated before, Sasuke can accomplish Madara's feats through logical power scaling. All your argument is based on is the fact that Sasuke's feats don't stack up to Madara's due to his Katon encompassing a much smaller scale when that's not even a valid argument to begin with considering compression can compensate for a lack of scope of the technique.

Through logical power scaling, we can determine many things even if character's don't have the feats to suggest it and everything points towards Sasuke being capable of replicating Madara's feats. This is why P1 Hiruzen's flames are much stronger than P1 Sasuke's despite encompassing a smaller scale because of logical power scaling and the fact that character's are capable of compressing the flames depending on how they manipulate their chakra. This is common sense and I can't believe you're struggling to grasp such a basic concept.

You can cry all you want, but I'll accept this as a concession and move on.

YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?????? WTFFFF *****AA ITOLD YOU SHOW ME SAME SCALE OF KATON USED BY SASUKE
AS THIS .... HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAKE UP *****AA AHAHAHAHAHHAHA SRSLY GTFO.... ****ING TROLLER...

[video=youtube;FpXSmv_kn1o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpXSmv_kn1o[/video]

 

[Booker]

YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?????? WTFFFF *****AA ITOLD YOU SHOW ME SAME SCALE OF KATON USED BY SASUKE
AS THIS .... HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAKE UP *****AA AHAHAHAHAHHAHA SRSLY GTFO.... ****ING TROLLER...

[video=youtube;FpXSmv_kn1o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpXSmv_kn1o[/video]

Well said

 

[UnknownJin]

The top one is Katon goukakyuu no jutsu and the bottom one is katon gouka mekkyaku. They are not even the same tech. He was talking about the Dragon Katon attack. Look at my spoiler post again. I have covered it.

I was actually looking for that technique Madara vs Shinobi alliance but couldnt find it, but i will. If u can then post it - His dragon fire style was tearing up the ground the jutsu its self changed the area stop ****ing talking noob

 

[UnknownJin]

Well said

****t up...****t up shit...