[VS] Deidara vs. Kakuzu

[Zexion~]

Lmao. I shouldn't have to explain why that logic isn't sound. First of all, where did you get "hardens his body to carbon like features" from? Second of all, it doing that meaning that explosions don't work makes no sense because then I could use this to claim that no explosion would work on Domu even though we all know that there are plenty of explosions in this Manga that'd kill him with no resistance.

It was 3 yrs prior, that's exactly why it's an irrelevant feat to bring up unless you have something that specifically illustrates the gap between Gaara post time skip and pre time skip and why that gap isn't large enough to warrant your argument being false.

-Flames? Sure. Not like that matters.

-That's Gaara's Sand. Why are you giving Gaara's defensive feats to Kakuzu when there's literally nothing in this Manga equating the two? Nothing at all. :lol "Strongest shield"? That's one of the largest shields Gaara has ever used on panel. The only thing that'd change the defensive power of his sand is how much he gathers together.

So yeah. Zero reason to believe that Kakuzu takes C3 unscathed. Gaara's Sand tanking it with no damage is irrelevant because Kakuzu's Domu=/=Gaara's Sand.

Bold is completely false

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That is also proven wrong when Gaara stated his "strongest shield" was used against Kimi despite having a much more massive amount of sand present.

Yes explosions that use chakra much more potent than Deidara's C3 which again was completely stalemated by SOFT DESERT SAND. Again how exactly is the damage going to appear to affect Kakuzu? Databook does nothing but hype Domu's defensive capabilities.

It's name is diamond morph as well as it looking exactly like carbon fiber, its a strong enough defense despite it having no feats.

 

[KidGamer65]

That amount of sand easily tanks CHO FRS no question about it. Gaara's mom shield plus Oonoki tanked Madara Magatama's. Im prettu sure Madara Magatama's would easily effect his own Susanoo. Plus c3 is village busting level if it can be tanked then cho frs gets tanked plain and simple.

Madara's Magatama wouldn't do anything serious to his Susanoo if Itachi's Magatama are any indication of that. Gaara's Mom Shield couldn't block Magatama. They only softened them for Onoki's shield so that's not a feat that

And village busting? :lol People need to stop calling C3 village busting. C3 can only destroy a village in the sense of wiping out everything in the entire area, as in people and buildings and maybe cause a moderate sized crater. CST turned the entire Konoha into a deep ass crater. THAT is real village busting. FRS>>C3. Chou FRS rapes Gaara and his sand.

I'm not making any claims of Domu tanking C3.

Domu is Kakuzu's strongest defense btw. It doesn't have to be his strongest jutsu.

Yeah, but how is that relevant?

 

[TRE MERCER]

How many times does it have to be said, gaara's sand arms are not the same thing as the wide scale jutsu his masks produce?

He doesn't differentiate between what he attacks in his vicinity, if those little birds approach they get blasted back. Gaara was doing precision sand attacks, trying to catch the birds, completely different method.

Until you can provide better speed feats for his Fuuton projectile there dodged once again Kakashi while in med air dodge it birds who can actually produce real speed in air dodges with ease. what happens if they attack from the front back and side? You lost this debate now stop with the bs.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bold is completely false

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That is also proven wrong when Gaara stated his "strongest shield" was used against Kimi despite having a much more massive amount of sand present.

Yes explosions that use chakra much more potent than Deidara's C3 which again was completely stalemated by SOFT DESERT SAND. Again how exactly is the damage going to appear to affect Kakuzu? Databook does nothing but hype Domu's defensive capabilities.

It's name is diamond morph as well as it looking exactly like carbon fiber, its a strong enough defense despite it having no feats.

Which in the end doesn't matter. "SOFT DESERT SAND" is you trying to throw in irrelevant buzz words (SOFT) in an attempt to downplay Gaara's feat while trying to deflect from the fact that Domu doesn't have a feat in the Manga that lets it tank C3. Where are the feats that let Domu tank C3? Domu's defensive powers being hyped doesn't mean it's superior to Gaara's Sand, which is also hyped as a good defense regardless of the type of Sand he uses.

And bold is irrelevant. If you want to claim that the composition of Domu (which is also an incorrect point) will nullify the explosion you better be ready to apply that to other explosions.


It's name is diamond morph. It's NAME. Kakuzu doesn't turn to diamond. He hardens his body via chakra. Pretty sure we've been over this multiple times. And no, it doesn't look exactly like carbon fiber. The only thing it shares is the brownish color. :lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

Madara's Magatama wouldn't do anything serious to his Susanoo if Itachi's Magatama are any indication of that. Gaara's Mom Shield couldn't block Magatama. They only softened them for Onoki's shield so that's not a feat that

And village busting? :lol People need to stop calling C3 village busting. C3 can only destroy a village in the sense of wiping out everything in the entire area, as in people and buildings and maybe cause a moderate sized crater. CST turned the entire Konoha into a deep ass crater. THAT is real village busting. FRS>>C3. Chou FRS rapes Gaara and his sand.

FRS beats c3? Stop FRS explosion alone is only about 16 or 20x the size of a human[

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] Why would Gaara even use that much sand to stop something on that calibur? LMAO your joking right? Also Deidara even said it himself that it would completely wipe out the entire city. Frs explosion are only big enough to whip out apartment complexes. Stop with the non-sense hype feats and everything suggest that C3>>>>>>>>>>>FRS.

 

[ToshiZO]

Even if Domu doesn't allow Kakuzu to get off without injuries, there is reason to believe he survives the attack.

Domu should severely pad him from C3.

Besides I don't see C3 even being the deciding factor here. Gian can diffuse it easily, not to mention Kakuzu can bring Deidara down before C3 even becomes relevant.

Yeah, but how is that relevant?

It's relevant in the same sense as having a strongest offensive jutsu. Defense and offense are two completely separate categories.

Until you can provide better speed feats for his Fuuton projectile there dodged once again Kakashi while in med air dodge it birds who can actually produce real speed in air dodges with ease. what happens if they attack from the front back and side? You lost this debate now stop with the bs.

Lmfao no counter?

 

[Zexion~]

Which in the end doesn't matter. "SOFT DESERT SAND" is you trying to throw in irrelevant buzz words (SOFT) in an attempt to downplay Gaara's feat while trying to deflect from the fact that Domu doesn't have a feat in the Manga that lets it tank C3. Where are the feats that let Domu tank C3? Domu's defensive powers being hyped doesn't mean it's superior to Gaara's Sand, which is also hyped as a good defense regardless of the type of Sand he uses.

How does it not matter? No buzz words, Gaara obtained the sand from the surrounding desert the instant before C3 exploded, meaning it kept its original properties of soft sand unless you're trying to say Gaara had enough time to input a massive amount of chakra in it to make it harder than his gourd sand as well?

One can actually make the inference that he didn't

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as everything up until that point had taken on his Jin like characteristics

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And bold is irrelevant. If you want to claim that the composition of Domu (which is also an incorrect point) will nullify the explosion you better be ready to apply that to other explosions.

Again no.....Just like Gaara's sand tanked this explosion yet wouldn't tank a lot of those explosions you speak of (Tbb being the main one in my mind)

It's name is diamond morph. It's NAME. Kakuzu doesn't turn to diamond. He hardens his body via chakra. Pretty sure we've been over this multiple times. And no, it doesn't look exactly like carbon fiber. The only thing it shares is the brownish color. :lol

Its black and most certainly looks nothing like the other earth armor techniques in the manga which were clearly earth, and looks exactly like other manga techniques that utilize carbon fiber (Greed.....) if you'd like to explain its composition in a way that contradicts its appearance and databook description I would honestly enjoy hearing it. Again if you think its not tanking at least C2 you're insane.

I'm not saying its exactly carbon btw, I simply stated it had the appearance of carbon, I am interested in hearing what you truly believe its composition to be.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Even if Domu doesn't allow Kakuzu to get off without injuries, there is reason to believe he survives the attack.

Domu should severely pad him from C3.

Besides I don't see C3 even being the deciding factor here. Gian can diffuse it easily, not to mention Kakuzu can bring Deidara down before C3 even becomes relevant.


It's relevant in the same sense as having a strongest offensive jutsu. Defense and offense are two completely separate categories.



Lmfao no counter?

I remember you saying this exactly not even 10mins ago.

I'm not making any claims of Domu tanking C3.

What changed in the last 10mins LMAO.

No counter i've already countered your argument with the Fuuton mask. Simple- Kakashi who was in med air dodged that Fuuton attack while being attacked by Hidan. Deidara birds in the air speed shits on Kakashi's therefore they dodge simple as that it's you that lacks a counter.

Village busting>Domu.

 

[KidGamer65]

FRS beats c3? Stop FRS explosion alone is only about 16 or 20x the size of a human[

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] Why would Gaara even use that much sand to stop something on that calibur? LMAO your joking right? Also Deidara even said it himself that it would completely wipe out the entire city. Frs explosion are only big enough to whip out apartment complexes. Stop with the non-sense hype feats and everything suggest that C3>>>>>>>>>>>FRS.

Lmao. Explosion size barely means a thing unless comparing jutsu of the same type. C2's explosion is larger than the FRS wind sphere yet Sasuke can tank C2 w/ his body in Curse Mark Level 2 while FRS would turn him to dust. Try again. Not to mention FRS's uncompressed explosion is half the size of the Chibaku Tensei crater. :lol :lol :lol So even if you talk size C3 loses.

And I just addressed what wiping out the entire village means. Repeating those words doesn't make your argument sound any more legit. :lol Chou FRS>>>FRS>>C3. FRS is closer to jutsu with far better feats than C3. Stop the wank.

 

[TRE MERCER]

People will go to extremely desperate tactis instead of just admitting defeat. Lmao...

 

[blazekev90]

Even if Domu doesn't allow Kakuzu to get off without injuries, there is reason to believe he survives the attack.

Domu should severely pad him from C3.

Besides I don't see C3 even being the deciding factor here. Gian can diffuse it easily, not to mention Kakuzu can bring Deidara down before C3 even becomes relevant.

there's no way in hell Kakuzu could bring Deidara down. Deidara has superior speed feats on foot, let along being airborne. Using mask as an attempt to distract Deidara would fail as well.

Kakuzu literally stands no chance.

 

[ToshiZO]

I remember you saying this exactly not even 10mins ago.

What changed in the last 10mins LMAO.

No counter i've already countered your argument with the Fuuton mask. Simple- Kakashi who was in med air dodged that Fuuton attack while being attacked by Hidan. Deidara birds in the air speed shits on Kakashi's therefore they dodge simple as that it's you that lacks a counter.

Village busting>Domu.

Tanking must really be used loosely these days.

Lmfao stop with the bird nonsense, the attacks are too widespread for the birds to do anything. They come in the vicinity they get blown away.

Are you telling me the birds blitz?

there's no way in hell Kakuzu could bring Deidara down. Deidara has superior speed feats on foot, let along being airborne. Using mask as an attempt to distract Deidara would fail as well.

Kakuzu literally stands no chance.

I'd like to see these speed feats on foot?

Sasuke managed to reach Deidara without half the range Kakuzu has. Stop.

People will go to extremely desperate tactis instead of just admitting defeat. Lmao...

You're acting like anything changed in your argument. You brought up c3 with your first post guy lmfao.

 

[Zexion~]

C3 also requires prep and most fights are not pre-destined.

Without C3 Kakuzu takes this match with medium difficulty

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lmao. Explosion size barely means a thing unless comparing jutsu of the same type. C2's explosion is larger than the FRS wind sphere yet Sasuke can tank C2 w/ his body in Curse Mark Level 2 while FRS would turn him to dust. Try again. Not to mention FRS's uncompressed explosion is half the size of the Chibaku Tensei crater. :lol :lol :lol So even if you talk size C3 loses.

Size means strength to a certain degree. Sasuke never got hit directly by c2 ever. He got caught in some of the explosion but it never hit his body on directly. Half the size of CT l00l yet we see the full FRS here[

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] that scan of ct is clearly frs being dragged around plus this scan is more relevant sense we can see the explosion and it's complete entirety.

And I just addressed what wiping out the entire village means. Repeating those words doesn't make your argument sound any more legit. :lol Chou FRS>>>FRS>>C3. FRS is closer to jutsu with far better feats than C3. Stop the wank.

Let me ask you as question do you really believe that if Naruto was where Deidara was and threw a FRS at the village Gaara would have wasted all his chakra blocking something that only going to take out a apartment or 2? No

Also do you really believe FRS would bypass this much sand[

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] that completely dwarfs the entire village below it.

 

[KidGamer65]

How does it not matter? No buzz words, Gaara obtained the sand from the surrounding desert the instant before C3 exploded, meaning it kept its original properties of soft sand unless you're trying to say Gaara had enough time to input a massive amount of chakra in it to make it harder than his gourd sand as well?

One can actually make the inference that he didn't

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as everything up until that point had taken on his Jin like characteristics

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What are you talking about? Yes, the sand in his gourd is stronger, but that doesn't mean that the sand is soft when he gathers it from the ground. Doesn't make any sense given the techniques it's stopped in the Manga. Gaara controls his Sand w/ chakra, meaning that there is chakra inside of it regardless. So no, it's not the same as sand lying on the ground.

Again no.....Just like Gaara's sand tanked this explosion yet wouldn't tank a lot of those explosions you speak of (Tbb being the main one in my mind)

But you are claiming that it's composition means it survives against this explosion. That's independent of strength. That's why mentioning composition makes no sense. And then there's the fact that it isn't actually any special composition.

Its black and most certainly looks nothing like the other earth armor techniques in the manga which were clearly earth, and looks exactly like other manga techniques that utilize carbon fiber (Greed.....) if you'd like to explain its composition in a way that contradicts its appearance and databook description I would honestly enjoy hearing it. Again if you think its not tanking at least C2 you're insane.

I'm not saying its exactly carbon btw, I simply stated it had the appearance of carbon, I am interested in hearing what you truly believe its composition to be.

He can take C2, C3 messes him up.

There is no special composition. His skin gets darker because he sends chakra throughout his body to harden it, that and it's a Doton. Domu is colored as brown in the anime, not black. And that's the only color source we have IIRC considering none of those Manga chapters were colored or have color pages/covers of Kakuzu using Domu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Size means strength to a certain degree. Sasuke never got hit directly by c2 ever. He got caught in some of the explosion but it never hit his body on directly. Half the size of CT l00l yet we see the full FRS here[

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] that scan of ct is clearly frs being dragged around plus this scan is more relevant sense we can see the explosion and it's complete entirety.


Let me ask you as question do you really believe that if Naruto was where Deidara was and threw a FRS at the village Gaara would have wasted all his chakra blocking something that only going to take out a apartment or 2? No

Also do you really believe FRS would bypass this much sand[

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] that completely dwarfs the entire village below it.

No, Sasuke took a direct hit when his wing got blown off. :lol Don't lie about the Manga now.

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Dragged around? What you are saying doesn't even make sense. FRS is shown flying through a bunch of rock, then you see a giant explosion. That is FRS's full sized explosion hence the lack of wind sphere. That is fact.

Whether Gaara would use as much sand as he did to block C3 is irrelevant for 2 reasons.

1. FRS doesn't normally have a large scale explosion, so he has no reason to muster up that much sand.
2. It'd still saw through his sand regardless. :lol Explosion size isn't strength. Terrible logic.

That's an attack. Not a shield. If Gaara tried to block FRS with the sand shield he used to block C3 it gets destroyed let alone Chou FRS.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Tanking must really be used loosely these days.

Lmfao stop with the bird nonsense, the attacks are too widespread for the birds to do anything. They come in the vicinity they get blown away.

Are you telling me the birds blitz?



You're acting like anything changed in your argument. You brought up c3 with your first post guy lmfao.

It really doesn't matter how wide spread it is when Kakashi dodge it while he was literally 5feet away and airborn. While it's shooting at the bird from the front it gets hit in the back by another bird gg. What don't you get you honestly can't really be this retarded bro.

C3 also requires prep and most fights are not pre-destined.

Without C3 Kakuzu takes this match with medium difficulty

It requires prep time him and Gaara weren't fighting for no more than 10mins by the time he used it. Plus if it's time he needs then time is what he'll get since he was this high above the village[

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] once he gets that high while fighting Kakuzu his hopes of hitting him before c3 is ready are gone to absolute 0.

 

[blazekev90]

I'd like to see these speed feats on foot?

Sasuke managed to reach Deidara without half the range Kakuzu has. Stop.

Sasuke speed feats>>>>>Kakuzu speed feats. Deidara being able to react to that speaks volumes in itself.

Kakuzu best speed/blitz was against an overweight kid who was hitting on his pants. Otherwise, Kakuzu relied surprise attacks in every scene.

Armless Deidara displayed superior reflects/speed feats having evaded teamGai.

Now, you STOP.

 

[Zexion~]

What are you talking about? Yes, the sand in his gourd is stronger, but that doesn't mean that the sand is soft when he gathers it from the ground. Doesn't make any sense given the techniques it's stopped in the Manga. Gaara controls his Sand w/ chakra, meaning that there is chakra inside of it regardless. So no, it's not the same as sand lying on the ground.




But you are claiming that it's composition means it survives against this explosion. That's independent of strength. That's why mentioning composition makes no sense. And then there's the fact that it isn't actually any special composition.





He can take C2, C3 messes him up.

There is no special composition. His skin gets darker because he sends chakra throughout his body to harden it, that and it's a Doton. Domu is colored as brown in the anime, not black. And that's the only color source we have IIRC considering none of those Manga chapters were colored or have color pages/covers of Kakuzu using Domu.

I know for a god-damn fact that NB used to have a fully colored version of chapter 334 with domu in it :lol

But its most definitely black in the anime my man

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Anyways yeah it has chakra in it but not enough to make it incredibly durable, but I am supposed to be doing a lab-report so I'm done with C3 I'll argue other things later seeing as using C3 is prep.


@Mercer He showed in the manga he had it ready before the fight

 

[TRE MERCER]

No, Sasuke took a direct hit when his wing got blown off. :lol Don't lie about the Manga now.

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Dragged around? What you are saying doesn't even make sense. FRS is shown flying through a bunch of rock, then you see a giant explosion. That is FRS's full sized explosion hence the lack of wind sphere. That is fact.

Whether Gaara would use as much sand as he did to block C3 is irrelevant for 2 reasons.

1. FRS doesn't normally have a large scale explosion, so he has no reason to muster up that much sand.
2. It'd still saw through his sand regardless. :lol Explosion size isn't strength. Terrible logic.

That's an attack. Not a shield. If Gaara tried to block FRS with the sand shield he used to block C3 it gets destroyed let alone Chou FRS.

That is completely different. Your claim is that FRS>C3 which it doesn't. C3 explosion shits on FRS feats which doesn't even put it above a v4 Susanoo. c3>Kirin>FRS which destructive capabilities=v3 Susanoo.

Also implying that FRS is more powerful than a c3 is saying that Kirin is as well and your also saying that a v3 Susanoo would be able to tank c3 which is completely false.