[VS] Deidara vs. Kakuzu

[TRE MERCER]

Its a good thing he has Domu to tank any and all of Deidara's evasive C1's if not also his C2

To bad Domu would be completely useless against c4. Also He doesn't have to just attack Kakuzu he can blow his mask to pieces as well taking out Kakuzu's versatility and long range.

90% of Deidaras bombs are shit tier to Kakuzu. They don't even get past domu, he walks past them.

Raiton to diffuse bombs and even c4 = check
Range to deal with aerial combat = check
Defense to tank all other bombs = check
Atsugai to clear all land mines and miniature bombs = check

Kakuzu extends his arms grabs Deidara and chokeslams him to the ground GG.

Why do you think he'll just attack Kakuzu? He can easily just attack the mask themselves. He wouldn't even be able to see c4 to diffuse them in the first place. Deidara drops the village buster and end or him or he could use the bomb clone feint.

 

[Zexion~]

To bad Domu would be completely useless against c4. Also He doesn't have to just attack Kakuzu he can blow his mask to pieces as well taking out Kakuzu's versatility and long range.

Why do you think he'll just attack Kakuzu? He can easily just attack the mask themselves. He wouldn't even be able to see c4 to diffuse them in the first place. Deidara drops the village buster and end or him or he could use the bomb clone feint.

No, Fuuton blows every bomb away and its the most mobile mask so it can come to the aid of any other one out there, although Kakuzu can simply keep them inside of him until the time is ready.

C4 isn't going inside of Kakuzu and it clearly needs to enter the organism for it to do damage as the tree's it should have been touching externally were fine. If Kakuzu realizes what the jutsu is he simply fuutons it away, Kakuzu hard counters just about everything Deidara has stop the argument.

 

[ToshiZO]

To bad Domu would be completely useless against c4. Also He doesn't have to just attack Kakuzu he can blow his mask to pieces as well taking out Kakuzu's versatility and long range.

Why do you think he'll just attack Kakuzu? He can easily just attack the mask themselves. He wouldn't even be able to see c4 to diffuse them in the first place. Deidara drops the village buster and end or him or he could use the bomb clone feint.

Lmfao C4 that big ass thing? Kakuzu doesn't even have to know anything, he throws random attacks at it, hits it with gian and its finished.

Deidara can't do shit. Kakuzu and his masks literally gangbang Deidara, he can't even run away that's the funny part. Kakuzu and his masks have range for days.

 

[TRE MERCER]

No, Fuuton blows every bomb away and its the most mobile mask so it can come to the aid of any other one out there, although Kakuzu can simply keep them inside of him until the time is ready.

C4 isn't going inside of Kakuzu and it clearly needs to enter the organism for it to do damage as the tree's it should have been touching externally were fine. If Kakuzu realizes what the jutsu is he simply fuutons it away, Kakuzu hard counters just about everything Deidara has stop the argument.

Kakuzu keeping the mask inside his body is the worst thing he can do. Since it would get rid of his numbers. What stops Deidara from sending out his strange bird speedsters[

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](Thats what there called on the wiki) from attacking his mask? while c4 is being prepped? and used. If all that fails Deidara simply sends a clone on a suicide mission to get in close range with Kakuzu while c3 is still in it's small form[

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] Once in range Deidara activates both the clone and the c3 which is village level to completely blow away Kakuzu and all his hearts.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lmfao C4 that big ass thing? Kakuzu doesn't even have to know anything, he throws random attacks at it, hits it with gian and its finished.

Deidara can't do shit. Kakuzu and his masks literally gangbang Deidara, he can't even run away that's the funny part. Kakuzu and his masks have range for days.

Same thing i said to Zexion Deidara will send his bird in to attack the mask from ever stopping c4 to begin with. Kakuzu mask gangbang Deidara? Stop Kakashi managed to dodge his wind mask point blank range while in med air. Deidara toys with them and their long range. Kakuzu mask are the one's that get gangbanged by multiple bombs for each other them and he still lacks a counter for a surprise c3.

 

[ToshiZO]

Same thing i said to Zexion Deidara will send his bird in to attack the mask from ever stopping c4 to begin with. Kakuzu mask gangbang Deidara? Stop Kakashi managed to dodge his wind mask point blank range while in med air. Deidara toys with them and their long range. Kakuzu mask are the one's that get gangbanged by multiple bombs for each other them and he still lacks a counter for a surprise c3.

The moment Kakuzu was attacking simultaneously with his masks Kakashi got bodied. Kakuzu not only has range with his masks that can hover and glide, but he himself has extended range with his threads. Deidara gets overwhelmed.

Kakuzu has so many options here that it's not even fair. He can keep a couple of his masks with him and a couple of them outside, win win situation for him. Kakashi himself noted how fast Kakuzu was after he got caught by him.

Those little birds? One blast of atsugai and those birds are going back where they came from.

Deidara gets attacked with large scale jutsu from all angles, and he gets bodied by the threads. Kakuzu removes the stitches on Deidara's arm GG.

 

[Zexion~]

Kakuzu keeping the mask inside his body is the worst thing he can do. Since it would get rid of his numbers. What stops Deidara from sending out his strange bird speedsters[

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](Thats what there called on the wiki) from attacking his mask? while c4 is being prepped? and used. If all that fails Deidara simply sends a clone on a suicide mission to get in close range with Kakuzu while c3 is still in it's small form[

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] Once in range Deidara activates both the clone and the c3 which is village level to completely blow away Kakuzu and all his hearts.

Everything you said is a terrible argument so I'll just counter C3 with one word....

Domu, something that didn't put A DENT in Gaara's sand can be tanked by Kakuzu. I believe Deidara went for quantity over quality with his C3 chakra :lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

The moment Kakuzu was attacking simultaneously with his masks Kakashi got bodied. Kakuzu not only has range with his masks that can hover and glide, but he himself has extended range with his threads. Deidara gets overwhelmed.

Except Kakashi can't fly while shooting projectile attacks. No they cannot even glide all they can do is jump except the wind one and if they decide to jump then it's game over and there left in the air with no possible way to defend themselves from multiple bombs coming their way.

Kakuzu has so many options here that it's not even fair. He can keep a couple of his masks with him and a couple of them outside, win win situation for him. Kakashi himself noted how fast Kakuzu was after he got caught by him.
Those little birds? One blast of atsugai and those birds are go back where they came from.

The mask that are away from Kakuzu gets raped. Kakuzu himself can stay near multiple mask but it won't due him any good once Deidara uses surprise c3 that completely obliterates him and all his mask. Kakashi in cannon dodged atsugai while he was in med air getting attacked by Hidan[

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] that gets effortlessly dodged and once dodge the birds blow up in that mask face destroying it with utter ease.

Deidara gets attacked with large scale jutsu from all angles, and he gets bodied by the threads. Kakuzu removes the stitches on Deidara's arm GG.

Not sure how you think Deidara will have a hard time fighting Kakuzu and dodging his techs when he fought Jin Gaara in the desert and only got hit one time.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Everything you said is a terrible argument so I'll just counter C3 with one word....

Domu, something that didn't put A DENT in Gaara's sand can be tanked by Kakuzu. I believe Deidara went for quantity over quality with his C3 chakra :lol

L0l so wait Domu tanks something that can bust a village? L0l something that can't put a dent on Gaara's sand? That sand was over the entire village[

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] it's quite clear that your grasping now if you believe Domu can tank c3 but hey if you say so.

Domu wouldn't even hold up against a Rasenshuriken but it can holdup against c3 LMAOOOOO. Your realize all that sand that Gaara put up would be easily able to tank a CHO FRS and all it took was a premature FRS to wreck Kakuzu.

 

[ToshiZO]

Except Kakashi can't fly while shooting projectile attacks. No they cannot even glide all they can do is jump except the wind one and if they decide to jump then it's game over and there left in the air with no possible way to defend themselves from multiple bombs coming their way.

Even worse for Deidara, since he's not used to pressure of this level once he is in the air. Sasuke managed to reach Deidara with a simple chidori spear and glide, Kakuzu has his threads, and his masks that he can use to propel himself, nothing is stopping him from bringing Deidara back down.

And what do you mean in the air unable to defend themselves lmfao? Those masks have a quick release, all they do is open their mouth and the attack is unleashed, why is getting stuck in mid air a problem for them? Deidara's bombs get blown away.

The mask that are away from Kakuzu gets raped. Kakuzu himself can stay near multiple mask but it won't due him any good once Deidara uses surprise c3 that completely obliterates him and all his mask. Kakashi in cannon dodged atsugai while he was in med air getting attacked by Hidan[

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] that gets effortlessly dodged and once dodge the birds blow up in that mask face destroying it with utter ease.

Deidara will be too busy getting overwhelmed to worry about individual masks, like I said Kakuzu doesn't even have to have them all out. And the masks are pretty fast by themselves.

Not sure how you think Deidara will have a hard time fighting Kakuzu and dodging his techs when he fought Jin Gaara in the desert and only got hit one time.

Because Kakuzu walks through 90% of deidara's arsenal, has the range necessary to bring him down, has raiton to diffuse his bombs, and has blasts that disperse all his sneaky little bombs, point to me where Gaara had all that?

 

[KidGamer65]

L0l so wait Domu tanks something that can bust a village? L0l something that can't put a dent on Gaara's sand? That sand was over the entire village[

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] it's quite clear that your grasping now if you believe Domu can tank c3 but hey if you say so.

Domu wouldn't even hold up against a Rasenshuriken but it can holdup against c3 LMAOOOOO. Your realize all that sand that Gaara put up would be easily able to tank a CHO FRS and all it took was a premature FRS to wreck Kakuzu.

Lmao let's slow down there buddy. No version of Gaara has defensive capabilities on par w/ V3 Susanoo let alone defensive capabilities that let him tank Chou FRS.

But I do agree that Domu most likely isn't tanking C3, because while Gaara's sand is nothing to Susanoo, Domu is nothing to Gaara's Sand by feats.

 

[KidGamer65]

As for this match up, Deidara wins.

-C3 one shots if it gets off.
-Kakuzu nor his masks can dodge C2 as it pressured Sasuke, so until he realizes that Raiton will counter them any masks that he happens to release get blown to shit, or he himself takes damage from C2, but I don't think it'll be anything serious.
-C4 kills him if he doesn't realize the end. People say Kakuzu not needing to breathe is a counter, but him not needing to breathe doesn't change the fact that he does, so it'll slip through his mouth or nose and end him from the inside out.

Sasuke only found out because Raiton is a staple in his moveset and the fact he has multiple ways to use it makes it more likely for him to figure out that Raiton defuses Deidara's bombs. Kakuzu has no such luxury. Even if he did, C3 would still kill him as it can just be detonated before Kakuzu's Raiton hits it.

 

[Zexion~]

L0l so wait Domu tanks something that can bust a village? L0l something that can't put a dent on Gaara's sand? That sand was over the entire village[

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] it's quite clear that your grasping now if you believe Domu can tank c3 but hey if you say so.

Domu wouldn't even hold up against a Rasenshuriken but it can holdup against c3 LMAOOOOO. Your realize all that sand that Gaara put up would be easily able to tank a CHO FRS and all it took was a premature FRS to wreck Kakuzu.

Your point is moot as domu wasn't being used when he was hit with the FRS.

Lmao let's slow down there buddy. No version of Gaara has defensive capabilities on par w/ V3 Susanoo let alone defensive capabilities that let him tank Chou FRS.

But I do agree that Domu most likely isn't tanking C3, because while Gaara's sand is nothing to Susanoo, Domu is nothing to Gaara's Sand by feats.

That is because it has no feats as Kishi knew he had to counter it quickly, going by the databook and simply taking into account the properties of the jutsu, I simply don't see how an explosion is doing anything to a justu that basically hardens your body to near carbon like features. It may have been three years prior but Gaara's sand was getting pierced by Kimi's bones, the fact that WEAKER desert sand (weaker as in it wasn't his gourd sand, nor his "strongest shield" ) was completely fine after tanking a blast gives me reason that Kakuzu comes out un-scathed.

-The flames from the explosion aren't doing shit that is easily understood

-As I've stated a few times the force from the explosion didn't even waver Gaara's control over such a massive amount of sand nor did it penetrate through it at all, at most he gets thrown backwards and tanks the damage that causes.

As for this match up, Deidara wins.

-C3 one shots if it gets off.

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-Kakuzu nor his masks can dodge C2 as it pressured Sasuke, so until he realizes that Raiton will counter them any masks that he happens to release get blown to shit, or he himself takes damage from C2, but I don't think it'll be anything serious.

So you're saying Domu can't tank something that only took off Sasuke's wing? Come on now man you yourself used to state it was around V1 Susano'o level in durability.

-C4 kills him if he doesn't realize the end. People say Kakuzu not needing to breathe is a counter, but him not needing to breathe doesn't change the fact that he does, so it'll slip through his mouth or nose and end him from the inside out.

Without lungs breathing air would do what exactly? Lungs sort out the toxic chemicals from the air, breathing without them would only grant a risk that those same toxic chemicals could reach the bloodstream I don't see why Kakuzu still needs to breath.

Sasuke only found out because Raiton is a staple in his moveset and the fact he has multiple ways to use it makes it more likely for him to figure out that Raiton defuses Deidara's bombs. Kakuzu has no such luxury. Even if he did, C3 would still kill him as it can just be detonated before Kakuzu's Raiton hits it.

Kinda sidetracking this so I can't get scans however both use the same hand-sign for their earth style ninjutsu, it doesn't take Sharingan to realize its an earth style ninjutsu not to mention Kakuzu's extensive knowledge on the villages and what have you.

If you're using C3 as a staple argument Deidara has a higher chance however you really think he could detonate it before Gian strikes when he failed to detonate anything that was countered by Sasuke's chidori variants?

Not to mention further away means less damage to Kakuzu per how explosions behave.

 

[ToshiZO]

GSB has zero feats, yet is wanked like no tomorrow, and is used as a deciding factor of 90% of battles revolving around Kisame. Picking and choosing what works and what doesn't lmao.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Even worse for Deidara, since he's not used to pressure of this level once he is in the air. Sasuke managed to reach Deidara with a simple chidori spear and glide, Kakuzu has his threads, and his masks that he can use to propel himself, nothing is stopping him from bringing Deidara back down.

And what do you mean in the air unable to defend themselves lmfao? Those masks have a quick release, all they do is open their mouth and the attack is unleashed, why is getting stuck in mid air a problem for them? Deidara's bombs get blown away.

Sasuke only reached Deidara because he was on that Dragon which has 0 mobility[

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]Deidara had to be atleast 1 thousand feet in the air here. Kakuzu propelling himself would result in lack of mobility in the air which would make him and even easier target. He's never going to be able to catch Deidara while he's that high in the air plus his evasive feats that dodge Gaara's sand which is fast enough to counter a bloodlusted Ei. If they jump into the air multiple bombs can attack them from the front and back or at there legs. We've already seen how easily the birds managed to get around Gaara's sand attacks and attack him[

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Deidara will be too busy getting overwhelmed to worry about individual masks, like I said Kakuzu doesn't even have to have them all out. And the masks are pretty fast by themselves.

Because Kakuzu walks through 90% of deidara's arsenal, has the range necessary to bring him down, has raiton to diffuse his bombs, and has blasts that disperse all his sneaky little bombs, point to me where Gaara had all that?

Deidara is never getting overwhelmed here. The mask aren't fast enough Kakashi manage to dodge the fuuton mask and make it in-front of the raition mask streams on foot. Deidara flying speed>Kakashi foot speed. All Deidara need to do is make a doton clone put it on a bird while holding the small c3. Once the clone gets in range within Kakuzu Deidara activate c3 to blow him to dust.

 

[ToshiZO]

Even worse for Deidara, since he's not used to pressure of this level once he is in the air. Sasuke managed to reach Deidara with a simple chidori spear and glide, Kakuzu has his threads, and his masks that he can use to propel himself, nothing is stopping him from bringing Deidara back down.

Sasuke only reached Deidara because he was on that Dragon which has 0 mobility[

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]Deidara had to be atleast 1 thousand feet in the air here. Kakuzu propelling himself would result in lack of mobility in the air which would make him and even easier target. He's never going to be able to catch Deidara while he's that high in the air plus his evasive feats that dodge Gaara's sand which is fast enough to counter a bloodlusted Ei. If they jump into the air multiple bombs can attack them from the front and back or at there legs. We've already seen how easily the birds managed to get around Gaara's sand attacks and attack him[

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Deidara is never getting overwhelmed here. The mask aren't fast enough Kakashi manage to dodge the fuuton mask and make it in-front of the raition mask streams on foot. Deidara flying speed>Kakashi foot speed. All Deidara need to do is make a doton clone put it on a bird while holding the small c3. Once the clone gets in range within Kakuzu Deidara activate c3 to blow him to dust.

How many times does it have to be said, gaara's sand arms are not the same thing as the wide scale jutsu his masks produce?

He doesn't differentiate between what he attacks in his vicinity, if those little birds approach they get blasted back. Gaara was doing precision sand attacks, trying to catch the birds, completely different method.

 

[KidGamer65]

Your point is moot as domu wasn't being used when he was hit with the FRS.



That is because it has no feats as Kishi knew he had to counter it quickly, going by the databook and simply taking into account the properties of the jutsu, I simply don't see how an explosion is doing anything to a justu that basically hardens your body to near carbon like features. It may have been three years prior but Gaara's sand was getting pierced by Kimi's bones, the fact that WEAKER desert sand (weaker as in it wasn't his gourd sand, nor his "strongest shield" ) was completely fine after tanking a blast gives me reason that Kakuzu comes out un-scathed.

-The flames from the explosion aren't doing shit that is easily understood

-As I've stated a few times the force from the explosion didn't even waver Gaara's control over such a massive amount of sand nor did it penetrate through it at all, at most he gets thrown backwards and tanks the damage that causes.

Lmao. I shouldn't have to explain why that logic isn't sound. First of all, where did you get "hardens his body to carbon like features" from? Second of all, it doing that meaning that explosions don't work makes no sense because then I could use this to claim that no explosion would work on Domu even though we all know that there are plenty of explosions in this Manga that'd kill him with no resistance.

It was 3 yrs prior, that's exactly why it's an irrelevant feat to bring up unless you have something that specifically illustrates the gap between Gaara post time skip and pre time skip and why that gap isn't large enough to warrant your argument being false.

-Flames? Sure. Not like that matters.

-That's Gaara's Sand. Why are you giving Gaara's defensive feats to Kakuzu when there's literally nothing in this Manga equating the two? Nothing at all. :lol "Strongest shield"? That's one of the largest shields Gaara has ever used on panel. The only thing that'd change the defensive power of his sand is how much he gathers together.

So yeah. Zero reason to believe that Kakuzu takes C3 unscathed. Gaara's Sand tanking it with no damage is irrelevant because Kakuzu's Domu=/=Gaara's Sand.

 

[KidGamer65]

GSB has zero feats, yet is wanked like no tomorrow, and is used as a deciding factor of 90% of battles revolving around Kisame. Picking and choosing what works and what doesn't lmao.

Lmao I think we've (at least I have) had enough of your bad logic for one week. GSB is Kisame's strongest jutsu. Kisame w/ Samehada can absorb almost all of Killer B's Bijuu chakra. Most of the matches Kisame is put against are matches against people who don't even have half of the chakra that Kisame stole from B w/ just Samehada yet alone his strongest jutsu.

Common sense. Try using it. Bringing up Kisame isn't going to change the fact that Domu's feats don't let you or anyone else make the kinds of claims being made here.

 

[ToshiZO]

Lmao I think we've (at least I have) had enough of your bad logic for one week. GSB is Kisame's strongest jutsu. Kisame w/ Samehada can absorb almost all of Killer B's Bijuu chakra. Most of the matches Kisame is put against are matches against people who don't even have half of the chakra that Kisame stole from B w/ just Samehada yet alone his strongest jutsu.

Common sense. Try using it. Bringing up Kisame isn't going to change the fact that Domu's feats don't let you or anyone else make the kinds of claims being made here.

I'm not making any claims of Domu tanking C3.

Domu is Kakuzu's strongest defense btw. It doesn't have to be his strongest jutsu.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lmao let's slow down there buddy. No version of Gaara has defensive capabilities on par w/ V3 Susanoo let alone defensive capabilities that let him tank Chou FRS.

But I do agree that Domu most likely isn't tanking C3, because while Gaara's sand is nothing to Susanoo, Domu is nothing to Gaara's Sand by feats.

That amount of sand easily tanks CHO FRS no question about it. Gaara's mom shield plus Oonoki tanked Madara Magatama's. Im prettu sure Madara Magatama's would easily effect his own Susanoo. Plus c3 is village busting level if it can be tanked then cho frs gets tanked plain and simple.

GSB has zero feats, yet is wanked like no tomorrow, and is used as a deciding factor of 90% of battles revolving around Kisame. Picking and choosing what works and what doesn't lmao.

What does this has to do with anything?

Your point is moot as domu wasn't being used when he was hit with the FRS.
-The flames from the explosion aren't doing shit that is easily understood
-As I've stated a few times the force from the explosion didn't even waver Gaara's control over such a massive amount of sand nor did it penetrate through it at all, at most he gets thrown backwards and tanks the damage that causes.

Domu would have been blown through and we both know it. Your probably one of the people that think FRS could blow away a v3 or v4 Susanoo yet your trying to put up an argument on how Domu could tank c3 in the slightest? smg stop. The sheer force and heat was tanked by the amount of overwhelming sand. Kakuzu body gets completely disfigured and completely obliterated. Village level explosion>Domu which by the way doesn't have one great defensive feat under it's belt it doesn't even have good hype under it's belt either.