Hebi Sasuke vs Kimmimaro

[Icelerate]

Dr.Proof, this is the same logic Tsunade fans use to prove Tsunade can easily break sharingan genjutsu, even Tsukiyomi.

 

[DrProof]

He pulled his hood down in the beginning to prevent Genjutsu. If simply taking in external chakra broke Genjutsu then Kabuto wouldn't need to worry about that because he constantly takes in external energy that mixes with his chakra. And I really don't care if you are arguing them separately. They are practically the same exact thing so why in the hell would I argue them separately? :lol As if bringing this up changes anything in the first place.

The user uses their own chakra to disrupt the flow of the afflicted's chakra to break Genjutsu. Genjutsu disrupts chakra flow. Stated and shown Taking in chakra doesn't disrupt chakra flow. 1000% baseless. Someone being able to disrupt chakra flow w/ their own chakra doesn't mean that every single time chakra enters someone's body that their chakra flow is being disrupted. An example. How in the world does Preta Path disrupt chakra flow (by your logic it does) when users of Preta Path can still use jutsu while absorbing chakra? :lol This argument of yours is a leap in logic.

Chakra being used to disrupt the flow=/=Every single of instance of chakra entering someone's body disrupting their flow.

Holy shit man. If Jiraiya said it here:

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Then it's correct. Kimimaro is able to break Sharingan Genjutsu due to Orochimaru's chakra being inserted as an external source. That's EXACTLY what Jiraiya states here. It is exactly what Sasuke, and Itachi did, and it is exactly what Kimimaro can, and will do if caught in a genjutsu. I literally do not understand why you're opposed to this, when it literally says the shit right there bruh.

Literally all you have to do is read.

Let me bold it for you: "IF YOU USE MORE POWER TO DISRUPT THE CHAKRA FLOW THE GENJUTSU WILL BE CANCELED." This is also what Sasuke did to overpower a weaknened Tsukuyomi -- Sasuke with the addition of Orochimaru's CM chakra broke free of Itachi's Tsukuyomi, this followed not only Itachi's stipulations to break the technique, but as well Jiraiya's.

I deadass do not understand why you, or any one else is deny this simple fact. Do I really have to link every single scan, blatantly showing Genjutsu being canceled by Jiraiya's statement? Sheesh.

Dr.Proof, this is the same logic Tsunade fans use to prove Tsunade can easily break sharingan genjutsu, even Tsukiyomi.

Are you serious right now? Lmaooo. No it's not what the hell? Tsunade has no external chakra sources that differentiate from her own, that can overpower Genjutsu. But wait, even then the Kai Release that was used during the Chunin Exams stopped the Genjutsu (not even going to get into this). Obviously she can't break out of Tsukuyomi.

 

[DrProof]

Further more, what I don't understand, that you guys denying that CM chakra can't break Genjutsu is the fact that the second portion of Genjutsu countering is this: "Then someone must be placing their own chakra into your body."

CM is Orochimaru's chakra, mixed in with natural energy, those alone meet the second stipulation to break Genjutsu. How can you even deny this shit? It's literally right in front of your face. Smh. How does CM not break Kimimaro out of Genjutsu when he meets both stipulations the first, and the second method to break basic Genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi.

It doesn't make sense to deny this, when it's right there in your face. Waiting on the bandwagon though.

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The cursed seal isn't part of the hosts original/base chakra reserves, having to manually activate it -- Meaning it's an external source -- Meaning outside force -- Meaning follows Jiraiya's stipulations to break Genjutsu -- Meaning CM chakra can break Genjutsu -- Meaning Kimimaro can break Genjutsu.

Smh. Simple af.

 

[NarutoX28]

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Literally, the Chidori sword, and the Chidori spear are the same things. The Chidori sword he used vs Madara was Chidori Spear, but maintain at a short range. Chidori spear has been shown to have cutting prowess, as seen when he cut the Ichibi's tentacle into two with it.

I have no idea, why you're arguing against the fact that they are the same technique lol. Sasuke is able to manipulate the range of Chidori Spear into short, and mid range. Short being used as a sword, while mid being used as a spear, it's simple.

I gave you a comparable scenario where the application of the technique greatly affected its speed.

For example, Juubito using the Gudoudama as a blade was much faster and more efficient than Juubito using the Gudoudama as a spear. This is why you cannot compare the two when Kishimoto already established them as entirely different attack methods that produced different results. Simply using Chidori Eisou as a blade isn't comparable to simply using it as a spear at close-range and the Databook even established that the technique is adapted for mid-range combat, not CQC. Could it be used in hand-to-hand combat? Sure, but is it going to be effective in hand-to-hand combat? No it's not.

Onto the speed of the technique, it literally does not matter seeing as Sasuke can use either version to beat Kimimaro here. You're over estimating Kimimaro, as only top tier speedsters would be capable of dodging a Chidori Spear @ point blank range. Kimimaro would not be able to do such, like I said before if you have some scans I've not seen of Kimimaro's speed feats (I've literally seen them all so..), then by all means link them so I may be convinced that he would be capable of dodging Sasuke's attack without prior knowledge, and in CQC range.

You're seriously overestimating Chidori Eisou if you literally think it's effective in close-range even when the technique is adapted for mid-range combat. I'm not claiming that Kimimaro is a top-tier speedster, but expecting Hebi Sasuke to be capable of positioning himself and discharging lightning while Kimimaro sits there defenseless is a severe underestimation of Kimimaro's strength.

You're asking for speed feats for Kimimaro yet you cannot provide proper feats of Sasuke simply using Chidori Eisou as it were a spear in CQC.

It's impossible.

Think about it.

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Sasuke, and Kimimaro clash. Sasuke being in CQC, quickly emits Chidori Spear as he did vs Deidara. Kimimaro is fatally wounded with either a swift slice, or from penetration to his heart.

Penetration to the heart, isn't even needed, just a simple hit is end game due to Sasuke's ability to perform this with Chidori Spear:

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Lol obviously it was used in a Genjutsu, but Sasuke can undoubtedly do this. Kishimoto wouldn't have shown us this, if it weren't a possible capability.

Except he wasn't merely in CQC range.

Let me ask you this, do you think Chidori Senbon can blitz Speedsters and Taijutsu Masters such as Kimimaro?

Where did I show Sasuke's Chidori manipulation having lag time? I showed it being conjured instantly, no opening is created literally lol, you've deadass overestimating Kimimaro. I gave Kimi his props, because I know what dude is capable of, but claiming that his attacks are faster than Sasukes', or that he'd be able to intercept Sasuke's initial assault, I strongly disagree.

No you didn't. You displayed that Sasuke had to position his body, discharge lightning, and then use it as a forward attack. That all takes time. You don't suddenly do all that instantaneously in the midst of CQC, nor would it be effective if Sasuke's preoccupied with using Chidori Eisou to properly react to Kimimaro's attack. This is why I stated Kimimaro can intercept him because it's not as simple as throwing a punch and aside from that, what feats does Sasuke have that suggests that Kimimaro can't intercept him? Kimimaro has displayed rapid succession attacks in an instant in the midst of combat while Sasuke hasn't displayed such a thing at all. There's a reason why Kimimaro scores 3 Tiers above Sasuke in Taijutsu and it's because he's simply better at it than Sasuke is.

Also, Drunken Lee wasn't impressive. Using him as a feat for Kimimaro's attack speed is fruitless.

Drunken Lee was considered terrifying according to Gai's perspective. Gai wouldn't state this if Drunken Lee was simply a fodder ass compared to him. Regardless, that was merely an example of Kimimaro executing multiple attacks in rapid succession, something Sasuke doesn't have the ability to accomplish.

 

[Unorthodox]

Are you stupid nigga? You better foh with that bullshit. You over here crying in the mf group chat like a bitch, knowing nobody gives two shits about you. The whole damn group is a big joke, making fun of your retarded ass, yet your retarded ass stays in the group, knowing your the biggest joke on the base, after Madara Rules.
Don't ever come for me like that again little nig. Know your place bruh.

Smh you sound like my ***** lol, Joke group? No do you even know who formed it? shut yo dumbass up and no matter what it is it only proves my influence it have it people no one is making a proof group no one gives af bout you enough to even try to make you look silly dumbass in a group called My who My disciples sit cho azs down. "Don't ever come for me like that" LOOOOOL.

On to your stupid ass response though. I never said Kabuto knew about Izanami get some reading comprehension dumb mf. I said Izanami uses the five sense, not just eye sight. If Izanami used just eye sight, Kabuto wouldn't have been caught. Also, no Kabuto didn't go out of his way to avoid visual Genjutsu, like I told Scott, it's thanks to a body feature snakes possess called a brille that allows them to put up a second eyelid:

This post did not counter shit why did Kabuto use brille? to avoid genjutsu you bout dumb af if your little sm breaks genjutsu was sound logic why would he need the brille anyways? they wouldn't dumbass.

Now hold this L you ***** nig.

Shut you bum ass up.

How does anyone know they are in a Genjutsu? The basic 3T Genjutsu has only been shown to put up scenarios of obvious fallacy, especially in Sasuke's case:

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Bee instantly recognized it was Gejutsu. Kimimaro would too.

That's only when the opponent is trying to put you down Sasuke uses his Genjutsu to fool your senses

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however the real deidara was hidden in the bird just in case not to mention Deidara is seasoned for genjutsu unlike Kimmimaro, un trained Deidara against Genjutsu

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he did not even know when he was caught Kimmimaro is put in the same situation,

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Danzo was no different completely fooled and unaware he's in the genjutus.

Your killerbee scan is shitty considering an experienced duo like them still fell to the ground after getting hit with Genjutsu so Kimmi would to Allowing Sasuke to blitz his head off.