Hebi Sasuke vs Kimmimaro

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Genjutsu can be broken through interruption of an external chakra. The curse mark counts as an external source of chakra due to it not being of the same genetic makeup as its host. Genjutsu affects the user's active chakra wavelengths, not the inactive.

lol by that logic SM users are immune to genjutsu but kabuto canonically tried to evade ocular genjutsu

 

[DrProof]

lol by that logic SM users are immune to genjutsu but kabuto canonically tried to evade ocular genjutsu

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You're comparing Izanami, a genjutsu that focuses on its opponents five senses, to basic sharingan genjutsu. If basic 3T genjutsu was used on Kabuto, it wouldn't have worked, due to his snake-like feature; The brille.

On that note, this method is similar to how Itachi, and Sasuke freed themselves from Tayuya's sound genjutsu - By casting genjutsu on themselves to counteract the previously used illusionary technique. By casting genjutsu on each other, they manipulated each other's chakra wavelengths ei; External chakra -- Breaking the genjutsu.

Jiraiya explained it here:

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"If you use more power, to disrupt your chakra flow. You cancel the Genjutsu." As well, as the bottom portion.

 

[NarutoX28]

Contradictory fam. The point of a Hebi Sasuke going into close proximity (when I say close range, I mean literally hand to hand range), is to use Chidori Spear. At that range it is nearly impossible to dodge, Kimimaro is indeed speedy, and has quite the finesse to dodge it from mid range, and close range (if not in CQC). It'd be something like this:

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Kimimaro's Bones = Gaara's Sand Sphere's spikes.

Sasuke would merely need to dodge Kimimaro for couple of seconds, before being overwhelmed similar to how he performed vs Killer B, then use Chidori Spear to end it.

The only issue is that the technique has never been executed in the way you're implying. He uses Chidori Eisou to strike opponent from a range, he doesn't use it while in the midst of CQC. That's seems rather detrimental when he has to position himself properly and also spend some time molding chakra for the jutsu in order to use it. If anything, Sasuke would opt for Chidori Nagashi as he did against Itachi.

Only issue I see with that argument is that Kimimaro's attacks are going to be much faster than Sasuke executing Chidori Eisou, so Kimimaro should be able to intercept Sasuke before he uses the technique.

 

[DrProof]

The only issue is that the technique has never been executed in the way you're implying. He uses Chidori Eisou to strike opponent from a range, he doesn't use it while in the midst of CQC. That's seems rather detrimental when he has to position himself properly and also spend some time molding chakra for the jutsu in order to use it. If anything, Sasuke would opt for Chidori Nagashi as he did against Itachi.

Only issue I see with that argument is that Kimimaro's attacks are going to be much faster than Sasuke executing Chidori Eisou, so Kimimaro should be able to intercept Sasuke before he uses the technique.

Of course he has. VS Madara, Sasuke used the very same jutsu to bisect him.

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That cancels out your inability to use Chidori Spear in CQC accusation. Also, he doesn't spend any amount of time performing the technique as seen VS Deidara. In an instant he shaped, and manipulated the technique.

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Also, I disagree on the part of Kimimaro being faster than Sasuke. Sasuke is much faster than Kimimaro, and like I said previously, Kimimaro's only way of countering Sasuke's speed is through his KKG manipulation externally. Even then, I admitted that Sasuke still would take the W, because of Chidori Spear.

Kimimaro, or his attacks being faster than Hebi Sasuke is fallacy, and can't be backed up, by literally anything we've seen sadly. Kimimaro gets manhandled, all thanks to that one technique. Sad, but true.

 

[Booker]

Kimmimaro isn't taking a single victory out of 10 against Sasuke.

He gets curbstomped.

 

[DrProof]

Kimmimaro isn't taking a single victory out of 10 against Sasuke.

He gets curbstomped.

At least he murks Pt.1 Kakashi. :bdpf:

 

[Booker]

At least he murks Pt.1 Kakashi. :bdpf:

Shhhhhh.

 

[Unorthodox]

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You're comparing Izanami, a genjutsu that focuses on its opponents five senses, to basic sharingan genjutsu. If basic 3T genjutsu was used on Kabuto, it wouldn't have worked, due to his snake-like feature; The brille.

On that note, this method is similar to how Itachi, and Sasuke freed themselves from Tayuya's sound genjutsu - By casting genjutsu on themselves to counteract the previously used illusionary technique. By casting genjutsu on each other, they manipulated each other's chakra wavelengths ei; External chakra -- Breaking the genjutsu.

Jiraiya explained it here:

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"If you use more power, to disrupt your chakra flow. You cancel the Genjutsu." As well, as the bottom portion.

no dumbass Kabuto went out of his way to avoid basic genjutsu he didnt even know about izanami how does kimmi knows he is in a genjutsu?

Sasuke rapes low diff.

 

[DrProof]

no dumbass Kabuto went out of his way to avoid basic genjutsu he didnt even know about izanami how does kimmi knows he is in a genjutsu?

Sasuke rapes low diff.

Are you stupid nigga? You better foh with that bullshit. You over here crying in the mf group chat like a bitch, knowing nobody gives two shits about you. The whole damn group is a big joke, making fun of your retarded ass, yet your retarded ass stays in the group, knowing your the biggest joke on the base, after Madara Rules.

Don't ever come for me like that again little nig. Know your place bruh.

On to your stupid ass response though. I never said Kabuto knew about Izanami get some reading comprehension dumb mf. I said Izanami uses the five sense, not just eye sight. If Izanami used just eye sight, Kabuto wouldn't have been caught. Also, no Kabuto didn't go out of his way to avoid visual Genjutsu, like I told Scott, it's thanks to a body feature snakes possess called a brille that allows them to put up a second eyelid:

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Now hold this L you ***** nig.

How does anyone know they are in a Genjutsu? The basic 3T Genjutsu has only been shown to put up scenarios of obvious fallacy, especially in Sasuke's case:

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Bee instantly recognized it was Genjutsu. Kimimaro would too.

 

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You're comparing Izanami, a genjutsu that focuses on its opponents five senses, to basic sharingan genjutsu. If basic 3T genjutsu was used on Kabuto, it wouldn't have worked, due to his snake-like feature; The brille.

was talking about that Kabuto went out of his way to avoid basic genjutsu [

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On that note, this method is similar to how Itachi, and Sasuke freed themselves from Tayuya's sound genjutsu - By casting genjutsu on themselves to counteract the previously used illusionary technique. By casting genjutsu on each other, they manipulated each other's chakra wavelengths ei; External chakra -- Breaking the genjutsu.

Jiraiya explained it here:

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"If you use more power, to disrupt your chakra flow. You cancel the Genjutsu." As well, as the bottom portion.

Sasuke already used sharingan to calm down a berserking juugo

and Sage tranformation didn't help Juugo anyway against genjutsu [

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[neosmith500]

Sasuke wins this mid diff. A Base Lee fresh from surgery was fast in the eyes of Kimimaro meanwhile Hebi Sasuke is tiers faster in Running/Movement speed since Lee>Kimimaro in that area and Sasuke is also tiers faster in combat speed and easily more reflexive compared to SRA Lee , he can also open the Initial Gate so considering that Surgery Lee's speed was impressive to CM1 Kimimaro , it would be interesting to see wat he thinks of Hebi Sause.

This isn't even taking Sasuke's shunshin into account or even the factor of consideration regarding the boost in Physical stats VOTE Sasuke gained after the CM2 activation Ritual on top of all the other physical enhancement drugs he took simultanously while training under Orochimaru on top of his mastery over partial transformation its not even funny to consider how far Sasuke blows Kimimaro outa the water here..:dunno:

-On a real note its also impossible to Gauge how powerful a healthy Kimimaro would be , but considering all the feats he pulled were done with a basically dead body with one foot in the grave since he only accomplished all that due to power of "Will" , along with the numerous subtle hints kishi left that placed a Healthy Kimi on Early P2 Sasuke's level i'd say it would be a interesting fight which i cant call considering the Kimi we saw in P1 was basically someone who was weighed down by his own dying body which would hinder his physical stats to a enormously inferior level that cant even be compared to Lee wearing leg weights to nerf speed seeing that it was ntn but will that made Kimi stand up and move similar to Lee in this scenario. so a Healthy Kimi would be a literal monster and would be Tier upon tiers superior to the one we saw in P1.

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^^^Didn't Kimimaro fought 4th shinobi war as an Edo

 

[neosmith500]

^^^Didn't Kimimaro fought 4th shinobi war as an Edo

Yea he was teamed up with Chyo..

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you stupid nigga? You better foh with that bullshit. You over here crying in the mf group chat like a bitch, knowing nobody gives two shits about you. The whole damn group is a big joke, making fun of your retarded ass, yet your retarded ass stays in the group, knowing your the biggest joke on the base, after Madara Rules.

Don't ever come for me like that again little nig. Know your place bruh.

On to your stupid ass response though. I never said Kabuto knew about Izanami get some reading comprehension dumb mf. I said Izanami uses the five sense, not just eye sight. If Izanami used just eye sight, Kabuto wouldn't have been caught. Also, no Kabuto didn't go out of his way to avoid visual Genjutsu, like I told Scott, it's thanks to a body feature snakes possess called a brille that allows them to put up a second eyelid:

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Now hold this L you ***** nig.

How does anyone know they are in a Genjutsu? The basic 3T Genjutsu has only been shown to put up scenarios of obvious fallacy, especially in Sasuke's case:

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Bee instantly recognized it was Genjutsu. Kimimaro would too.

Lmao come on now.

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Manga made it pretty clear that Kabuto didn't want to get hit by Genjutsu. So Curse Mark and Senjutsu gathering being able to break Genjutsu makes zero sense. Then we have the fact that Genjutsu is broken by disrupting the chakra. Taking in more chakra isn't the same as having your chakra disrupted. So no, Curse Mark does not, will not and can not counter Genjutus.

 

[DrProof]

Lmao come on now.

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Manga made it pretty clear that Kabuto didn't want to get hit by Genjutsu. So Curse Mark and Senjutsu gathering being able to break Genjutsu makes zero sense. Then we have the fact that Genjutsu is broken by disrupting the chakra. Taking in more chakra isn't the same as having your chakra disrupted. So no, Curse Mark does not, will not and can not counter Genjutus.

KG, but after do you not see the brille, and his previous statement after he unhooded. Bruh after the brille went up when he entered DSM he didn't have to worry about Genjutsu, he even implied such. I have no idea what y'all are talking about in regards to this, and SM/CM breaking Genjutsu. Literally, these are not TWO topics I'm arguing as ONE. I'm arguing them both separates. I have no idea where any of you even got the assumption I was arguing them both as conjoint topics. tf.

Lol actually it is what? Chakra disruption is caused by an external force of chakra manipulating the victim of genjutsu's original chakra. Literally, that's what happened in Itachi + Sasuke vs Kabuto. And that's even what Jiraiya explained. I deadass, have no idea how you're deny this KG. At all.

CM is Orochimaru's chakra. Once CM is activated, it's basically replicating how Sasuke, and Itachi freed themselves from Tayuya's Sound Genjutsu, by interrupting each other's chakra with, an invasion of their own. Smh.

 

[DrProof]

was talking about that Kabuto went out of his way to avoid basic genjutsu [

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Sasuke already used sharingan to calm down a berserking juugo

and Sage tranformation didn't help Juugo anyway against genjutsu [

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Due to what I stated previously. "Genjutsu only affects active chakra wavelengths." If Jugo's sage transformation was already in play, and then Sasuke used his Genjutsu then he'd have no foreign external chakra to free him from the technique.

Also, I wasn't implying natural energy disrupts Genjutsu man, when I was talking about Kabuto, I was strictly referring to them brille. In that it would allow him to become immune to basic visual genjutsu is all. Nothing more.

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[TRE MERCER]

This is a stomp forget what everybody is saying. Kimi would see Sasuke like a blur that if he could see him at all. Kimi speed is cannonly on par with Rock lee who said Chunnin exam Sasuke was just as fast as him. And no Rock lee couldn't have gotten any faster since he had his injury. Kimi bones gets cut right off with Chidori spear or the blade covered in ration.

 

[NarutoX28]

Of course he has. VS Madara, Sasuke used the very same jutsu to bisect him.

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That cancels out your inability to use Chidori Spear in CQC accusation. Also, he doesn't spend any amount of time performing the technique as seen VS Deidara. In an instant he shaped, and manipulated the technique.

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Those aren't comparable scenarios at all. Sasuke shaped it into a blade to use it as Kenjutsu. It's not similar to applying shape manipulation and extending it as if it were a spear. The former incorporates a user's physical attributes such as strike speed while the other one is completely dependent on the lightning's speed which isn't emphasized to be that fast (as opposed to Chidori Senbon which isn't enough to blitz ninja to begin with). If anything, it's similar to Juubito's Gudoudama where the Gudoudama's extension speed is much slower than Juubito simply using it as a blade. They're incomparable and Chidori Eisou is generally used in mid-range because it's simply more efficient. It's not built for hand-to-hand combat, hence why Sasuke has never utilized it at such a range in the first place.

Also, I disagree on the part of Kimimaro being faster than Sasuke. Sasuke is much faster than Kimimaro, and like I said previously, Kimimaro's only way of countering Sasuke's speed is through his KKG manipulation externally. Even then, I admitted that Sasuke still would take the W, because of Chidori Spear.

Kimimaro, or his attacks being faster than Hebi Sasuke is fallacy, and can't be backed up, by literally anything we've seen sadly. Kimimaro gets manhandled, all thanks to that one technique. Sad, but true.

I stated that he'd be capable of intercepting Sasuke before he used it because even you displayed that there was some increment of time when Sasuke discharged lightning. Either way, it creates an opening that Kimimaro takes advantage of since he's preoccupied with using Chidori Eisou as opposed to reacting to Kimimaro's techniques.

I wouldn't even doubt that Kimimaro's attacks are faster than Hebi Sasuke's anyways because he's displayed the ability to perform attacks in rapid-succession as he did against Drunken Lee.

 

[DrProof]

Those aren't comparable scenarios at all. Sasuke shaped it into a blade to use it as Kenjutsu. It's not similar to applying shape manipulation and extending it as if it were a spear. The former incorporates a user's physical attributes such as strike speed while the other one is completely dependent on the lightning's speed which isn't emphasized to be that fast (as opposed to Chidori Senbon which isn't enough to blitz ninja to begin with). If anything, it's similar to Juubito's Gudoudama where the Gudoudama's extension speed is much slower than Juubito simply using it as a blade. They're incomparable and Chidori Eisou is generally used in mid-range because it's simply more efficient. It's not built for hand-to-hand combat, hence why Sasuke has never utilized it at such a range in the first place.



I stated that he'd be capable of intercepting Sasuke before he used it because even you displayed that there was some increment of time when Sasuke discharged lightning. Either way, it creates an opening that Kimimaro takes advantage of since he's preoccupied with using Chidori Eisou as opposed to reacting to Kimimaro's techniques.

I wouldn't even doubt that Kimimaro's attacks are faster than Hebi Sasuke's anyways because he's displayed the ability to perform attacks in rapid-succession as he did against Drunken Lee.

Those aren't comparable scenarios at all. Sasuke shaped it into a blade to use it as Kenjutsu. It's not similar to applying shape manipulation and extending it as if it were a spear.

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Literally, the Chidori sword, and the Chidori spear are the same things. The Chidori sword he used vs Madara was Chidori Spear, but maintain at a short range. Chidori spear has been shown to have cutting prowess, as seen when he cut the Ichibi's tentacle into two with it.

I have no idea, why you're arguing against the fact that they are the same technique lol. Sasuke is able to manipulate the range of Chidori Spear into short, and mid range. Short being used as a sword, while mid being used as a spear, it's simple.

Onto the speed of the technique, it literally does not matter seeing as Sasuke can use either version to beat Kimimaro here. You're over estimating Kimimaro, as only top tier speedsters would be capable of dodging a Chidori Spear @ point blank range. Kimimaro would not be able to do such, like I said before if you have some scans I've not seen of Kimimaro's speed feats (I've literally seen them all so..), then by all means link them so I may be convinced that he would be capable of dodging Sasuke's attack without prior knowledge, and in CQC range.

It's impossible.

Think about it.

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Sasuke, and Kimimaro clash. Sasuke being in CQC, quickly emits Chidori Spear as he did vs Deidara. Kimimaro is fatally wounded with either a swift slice, or from penetration to his heart.

Penetration to the heart, isn't even needed, just a simple hit is end game due to Sasuke's ability to perform this with Chidori Spear:

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Lol obviously it was used in a Genjutsu, but Sasuke can undoubtedly do this. Kishimoto wouldn't have shown us this, if it weren't a possible capability.

I stated that he'd be capable of intercepting Sasuke before he used it because even you displayed that there was some increment of time when Sasuke discharged lightning. Either way, it creates an opening that Kimimaro takes advantage of since he's preoccupied with using Chidori Eisou as opposed to reacting to Kimimaro's techniques.

I wouldn't even doubt that Kimimaro's attacks are faster than Hebi Sasuke's anyways because he's displayed the ability to perform attacks in rapid-succession as he did against Drunken Lee.

Where did I show Sasuke's Chidori manipulation having lag time? I showed it being conjured instantly, no opening is created literally lol, you've deadass overestimating Kimimaro. I gave Kimi his props, because I know what dude is capable of, but claiming that his attacks are faster than Sasukes', or that he'd be able to intercept Sasuke's initial assault, I strongly disagree.

Also, Drunken Lee wasn't impressive. Using him as a feat for Kimimaro's attack speed is fruitless.

 

[KidGamer65]

KG, but after do you not see the brille, and his previous statement after he unhooded. Bruh after the brille went up when he entered DSM he didn't have to worry about Genjutsu, he even implied such. I have no idea what y'all are talking about in regards to this, and SM/CM breaking Genjutsu. Literally, these are not TWO topics I'm arguing as ONE. I'm arguing them both separates. I have no idea where any of you even got the assumption I was arguing them both as conjoint topics. tf.

Lol actually it is what? Chakra disruption is caused by an external force of chakra manipulating the victim of genjutsu's original chakra. Literally, that's what happened in Itachi + Sasuke vs Kabuto. And that's even what Jiraiya explained. I deadass, have no idea how you're deny this KG. At all.

CM is Orochimaru's chakra. Once CM is activated, it's basically replicating how Sasuke, and Itachi freed themselves from Tayuya's Sound Genjutsu, by interrupting each other's chakra with, an invasion of their own. Smh.

He pulled his hood down in the beginning to prevent Genjutsu. If simply taking in external chakra broke Genjutsu then Kabuto wouldn't need to worry about that because he constantly takes in external energy that mixes with his chakra. And I really don't care if you are arguing them separately. They are practically the same exact thing so why in the hell would I argue them separately? :lol As if bringing this up changes anything in the first place.

The user uses their own chakra to disrupt the flow of the afflicted's chakra to break Genjutsu. Genjutsu disrupts chakra flow. Stated and shown Taking in chakra doesn't disrupt chakra flow. 1000% baseless. Someone being able to disrupt chakra flow w/ their own chakra doesn't mean that every single time chakra enters someone's body that their chakra flow is being disrupted. An example. How in the world does Preta Path disrupt chakra flow (by your logic it does) when users of Preta Path can still use jutsu while absorbing chakra? :lol This argument of yours is a leap in logic.

Chakra being used to disrupt the flow=/=Every single of instance of chakra entering someone's body disrupting their flow.