[VS] Zorro vs Law

[Dannie]

I never said anything around Zoro being Doflamingo level. I only answered to your question about how to fight Law if you can't escape his room by giving the example of someone who defeated him while inside his room to counter your arguments by proving it's possible. Now if Zoro is up to the task or not is up to debate

Unless you have Haki superior to Law's, or better speed, you're not beating Law inside his room lol.

Doflamingo clearly had both and was above Law in those two fields, so him beating Law in his room is not surprising.

 

[A v i]

Not doing something is not an indicator of being unable to do it. Kizaru didn't shoot Luffy in the face when he was on the scaffold with Ace's key. Does that mean he can't shoot Luffy in the face? Rob Lucci didn't Shigan Chibi-Luffy in the throat with his claws. Does that mean Lucci couldn't do that?

Plot demands Luffy to survive. What demands Smoker's jitte to be kept in his hands? Smoker's Jitte is, quite literally, a worst possible weapon to be hit with for any devils fruit user who may engage him in a fight. It's just tactical to separate it from him to decrease the risk, more so when you're equipped with the means to do it quite easily, and even more so when the person we're talking about is someone who mainly fights using tactics. It's not like, teleporting it means Smoker can never get his hands on it or anything, Oda had it destroyed in the same arc.

Nope.

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Zoro jumps out of the hole and lands on his knee, letting out a deep breath after one attack. That's not performing, that's being spanked.

You usually land on knees after a jump. Being knees after a jump is normal. It was the same with the breath, you couldn't breath normally under that much pressure, so once again not the same as what you're making it out to be.

 

[Bogard]

Unless you have Haki superior to Law's, or better speed, you're not beating Law inside his room lol.

Doflamingo clearly had both and was above Law in those two fields, so him beating Law in his room is not surprising.

Exactly. Hence why i said in my first post that:

Could go either way giving the slight edge to Zoro. Law could win if his room can bypass Zoro's haki, but with the portrayal Zoro received with his armament i'd wager it's strong enough to block the ope ope abilities and other than that, i think Zoro would fare better in all out fight because Law's main advantage in this battle would be his environmental control and mobility, but Zoro already faced an opponent having the entire earth to control and didn't receive a single scrath.

With his mountain ranges, Law's tact abilities would be useless. Law could teleport, but to tag an opponent he needs the reaction and attacking speed, areas where Zoro is just as good as him if not better(especially in attacking speed). So with Zoro beating him in range, and having advantage in close combat due to being the superior swordsman(he could overpower an admiral's attack), he'd win more times than not in my opinion. Though it'd be close because one mistake and he could be killed by gamma knife

Assuming Zoro can block Law's slashes(bold), i see him as the superior fighter for the reasons i mentioned

 

[chopstickchakra]

There's no proof that Smoker's Haki can withstand Law's powers.

For one, Doflamingo said ONLY the Amputation ability of the Ope Ope no Mi can be negated by Haki There has been no wording to indicate that the rest of his powers, such as the personality swapping, Shambles, and Mes are also subject to this weakness.

Secondly, if we DO apply the ability for Haki to negate Law's cutting ability to every single one of his abilities under the Ope Ope no Mi, how did Mes and the Personality Operation both work on Smoker under your premise that his Haki can negate Law's powers?

And Counter Shock. And Takt, how does Zoro combat being levitated? Also people seem to forget or ignore Law was able to make a Room the bigger than a mountain. That's a wide area for Zoro to have to cover without falling victim to Law's other attacks.

 

[chopstickchakra]

@Bold That's because Doflamingo is a formidable opponent with insane Haki and was able to fight both Law and Luffy at the same time. Are you implying that Zoro can do the same just because Doflamingo showed that he can? Cut the ABC shit logic. It clearly isn't working here, and since you clearly aren't discussing about Zoro escaping from Law's room, it should be pretty clear that he can't as you also don't have any solid speed feats from Zoro displaying that he can.


But I don't know why I'm trying to argue this with you since you have been known to get a little "excited" at anything relating to Zoro.

ABC logic's starting to run rampant.

 

[ToshiZO]

Law mid diff. Don't see this fight going past that, if it goes to extreme diff or something it goes to Zoro.

Superior Haki doesn't mean anything to Law. As long as it's within his range he's good. Btw Law's haki was never shown to be weaker but stronger than Doflamingo's actually.

 

[A v i]

And Counter Shock. And Takt, how does Zoro combat being levitated? Also people seem to forget or ignore Law was able to make a Room the bigger than a mountain. That's a wide area for Zoro to have to cover without falling victim to Law's other attacks.

Zoro has 1080 canon, ISDS, SS and all. Now, they're all going to land on Law because Zoro has them. Yeah, that was impressive and all but how long can Law sustain a room of mountain range and still fight at his best?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Law mid diff. Don't see this fight going past that, if it goes to extreme diff or something it goes to Zoro.

Superior Haki doesn't mean anything to Law. As long as it's within his range he's good. Btw Law's haki was never shown to be weaker but stronger than Doflamingo's actually.

I think we're gonna see a trend where people with Haoshoku will favor it over Busoshoku, so it kinda make sense that Law's Buso was better than Doffy's and Luffy's.

 

[A v i]

Superior Haki doesn't mean anything to Law.

That's wrong. Strong haki should certainly be able to block his attacks, at least, when used in the form of offense. Law's low end moves"multi building level" were being blocked by Smoker quite comfortably and casually. Vergo's haki was simply not strong enough.

Btw Law's haki was never shown to be weaker but stronger than Doflamingo's actually.

Where? I hope you won't be posting the scan of him blocking Doflamingo's strings.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Lmao at light speed reaction zoro, don't sink that far plz

 

[A v i]

Lmao at light speed reaction zoro, don't sink that far plz

Although, it was a hyperbole, the attack was hyped to be extremely fast by one of the fastest characters in the series. And Zoro dodged it quite comfortably. That was way above anything Luffy or Sanji avoided before TS.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Where? I hope you won't be posting the scan of him blocking Doflamingo's strings.

Luffy commented that his Haki being cut was due to it not being strong enough to withstand sharp attacks. Law's Haki withstood Doflamingo's sharp attacks. Meanwhile, Doflamingo's hand got cut on Law's sword, and Luffy's was still susceptible to sharp attacks.

The scan proves it, whether or not you want to see it.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Zoro has 1080 canon, ISDS, SS and all. Now, they're all going to land on Law because Zoro has them. Yeah, that was impressive and all but how long can Law sustain a room of mountain range and still fight at his best?

We don't know how long he could go at that scale and any guess is speculation. I don't understand your first response though, are you saying Zoro combats Takt by using 1080 cannon and that's a guaranteed hit? That's how it sounded. There's no guarantee he'd hit Law while suspended if that is what you were implying.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Although, it was a hyperbole, the attack was hyped to be extremely fast by one of the fastest characters in the series. And Zoro dodged it quite comfortably. That was way above anything Luffy or Sanji avoided before TS.

Extremely fast=/= lightspeed. And it wasn't even comfortable, it did hit a bit of his head.


Overall pacifistas lasers seemed just as fast, even though it wasn't given a misleading description as the air paw.

 

[Love Cook]

Law's powers work on both Seastone and water, so the Jitte being tipped with Seastone is meaningless.

In the scan you posted yourself Luffy asks how Law changed the seastone locks, Law explains he had to changed them beforehand. Why would he need to do that if he can work his powers on seastone ?

And the water that was under Smoker's battleship was translated as a river. So it's not sea water.

[video=youtube;RcjU7ITBKxY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcjU7ITBKxY[/video] @1:36

The tip became meaningful again.

 

[Punk Hazard]

In the scan you posted yourself Luffy asks how Law changed the seastone locks, Law explains he had to changed them beforehand. Why would he need to do that if he can work his powers on seastone ?

Law says, and I quote, "mine were plain old chains." The others' chains were still Seastone, his was the only one he had made the swap with. Don't you think Luffy would have been able to tell the chains on his body were ordinary chains, and not Seastone, given that touching Seastone produces a VASTLY different sensation than touching steel for DF users?

Secondly, Law made the G-5 Battleship float with his DF. It was stated that all Marine Battleships have Seastone lining the bottoms so they can pass through the oceans without being attacked by Sea Kings.

And the water that was under Smoker's battleship was translated as a river. So it's not sea water.

[video=youtube;RcjU7ITBKxY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcjU7ITBKxY[/video] @1:36

The tip became meaningful again.

Oda has stated that water period will affect DF users, not just seawater. So freshwater, seawater, and the White Sea in Skypeia all stop DF users from using their powers. Seastone was stated to work through radiating the same energy as the sea, and is the sea in solid form.

Now, given that all water works just as the sea does, and Seastone is the sea in solid form...well, I'm sure you can do the math.

 

[A v i]

Luffy commented that his Haki being cut was due to it not being strong enough to withstand sharp attacks. Law's Haki withstood Doflamingo's sharp attacks. Meanwhile, Doflamingo's hand got cut on Law's sword, and Luffy's was still susceptible to sharp attacks.

The scan proves it, whether or not you want to see it.

Luffy said 'My haki is weak against "this" kind of attacks' while referring to a bite. It was a sharp attack but not a slashing type like the one Doflamingo used. But I can see where you're getting at. Nonetheless, the attack Luffy failed to block and the one which Law blocked don't work the same way. A more powerful version of the attack used on Law when imbued with haki barely made Luffy bleed.{

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} Not to mention, the very same attack which Doflamingo used on Law had done barely any damage to an unprotected Luffy or even Sanji for that matter. {

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} So wasn't all that impressive here.


Not to mention, Luffy has fair share of feats blocking sharp attacks from causing damage.

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} You're completely ignoring the way these attacks work and how strong the said attacks are for the sake of making Law look better here. Doflamingo's hand was cut inside Law's room, that too because he was tightening his grip not because Law's superior haki or anything.

Extremely fast=/= lightspeed. And it wasn't even comfortable, it did hit a bit of his head.


Overall pacifistas lasers seemed just as fast, even though it wasn't given a misleading description as the air paw.

I didn't say it was light speed, But the fact that they were hyped to be very fast remains the same regardless of whether or not it was actually LS. Oda wouldn't bother hyping it to be fast if it's your usual mediocre attack, would he?

Btw, an extremely weakened Zoro dodged a laser from Kuma at point blank range.

There's no guarantee he'd hit Law while suspended if that is what you were implying.

This is exactly what I was trying to imply with the first sentence. You were simply listing Law's abilities as if they're guaranteed to work on Zoro or something(Everyone on Law's side is doing pretty much the same). So I did the exact opposite of what they're doing.

 

[Valhalla]

These arguments are so pointless that they are almost funny. Law vs Zoro would come down to whoever Oda wants to win plain and simple. Zoro is a very strong character that we haven't really seen go all out put in a corner full strength. But Law has a Hax devil fruit that is complex and hard to overcome especially if you don't have a devil fruit yourself. So it could either way hands down. So I call Tie as of now.

Also for the people who want to use the Doffy fight to discredit law I get it but come on. Law got the Vegeta treatment... anyone in that spot would. To make luffy greater you have to have someone of equal or close to strength get wrecked. So put Kid, Drake, Hawkins, and anyone else and they all get wrecked for the sake of Luffy and the Plot.

Mark my words.... Law will get a fight in Wano that will be epic.

 

[ToshiZO]

That's wrong. Strong haki should certainly be able to block his attacks, at least, when used in the form of offense. Law's low end moves"multi building level" were being blocked by Smoker quite comfortably and casually. Vergo's haki was simply not strong enough.

I hope you understand that Vergo's haki is > Smokers. And Smoker managed to block his attacks, so its a given Vergo could aswell.

If you're talking about simply blocking his regular swings with Haki? That much is a given, Smoker can do it, Doflamingo can do it, plenty of characters with haki can do that.

I'm talking about his high end moves, I have no reason to believe Law's haki was > Vergo, heck I'm not even sure Law used Haki on Vergo when he cut him in half.

Zoro's haki is not gonna protect him from a mountain level slash. Nor is it protecting him from being sliced in half on regular swings without a proper defense (for example if Law gets past Zoro's swords, Zoro is getting sliced, he's not gonna sit there and tank it).

Where? I hope you won't be posting the scan of him blocking Doflamingo's strings.

Doflamingo attacks Law with sharp attack without hardening = Hardened

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with no damage

Law attacks Doflamingo with sharp attack without hardening = Hardened

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just from grabbing his blade.

I can't remember in this manga there being such a clear cut comparison to be made in terms of haki, both defenders were attacked with non hardened attacks, both defenders used hardening to defend, and both faced a sharp object. If this doesn't convince people that Doflamingo's armament haki was at the least not stronger than Law's then I don't know what does.

 

[Love Cook]

Law says, and I quote, "mine were plain old chains." The others' chains were still Seastone, his was the only one he had made the swap with. Don't you think Luffy would have been able to tell the chains on his body were ordinary chains, and not Seastone, given that touching Seastone produces a VASTLY different sensation than touching steel for DF users?

Secondly, Law made the G-5 Battleship float with his DF. It was stated that all Marine Battleships have Seastone lining the bottoms so they can pass through the oceans without being attacked by Sea Kings.




Oda has stated that water period will affect DF users, not just seawater. So freshwater, seawater, and the White Sea in Skypeia all stop DF users from using their powers. Seastone was stated to work through radiating the same energy as the sea, and is the sea in solid form.

Now, given that all water works just as the sea does, and Seastone is the sea in solid form...well, I'm sure you can do the math.

Yea I get that Law's chains were normal, but those are the only ones he used his powers on, the sea stone ones he used his sword on. So that indicates he can't teleport seastone.

The warship has seastone lining but if that is attached to the wood and he lifts the wood the seastone will go along with it. But that is just lifting it up and not teleporting it away. Because in that case he needs to use his powers on the stone too.

As for the water, I know that hammers can't swim in any water that is deeper than knee deep, but I never heard that normal water also takes away DF abilities. That also doesn't really make much sense since Devil fruits are incarnations of the ocean devil. So I think there is a difference between salt and sweet water.