[VS] Zorro vs Law
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There's no proof that Smoker's Haki can withstand Law's powers.
For one, Doflamingo said ONLY the Amputation ability of the Ope Ope no Mi can be negated by Haki There has been no wording to indicate that the rest of his powers, such as the personality swapping, Shambles, and Mes are also subject to this weakness.
Secondly, if we DO apply the ability for Haki to negate Law's cutting ability to every single one of his abilities under the Ope Ope no Mi, how did Mes and the Personality Operation both work on Smoker under your premise that his Haki can negate Law's powers?
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personaility swapping is part of the amputation ability. MES is a variation of the amputation ability while using his hands as a cutting knife. I don't know about shambles, but it's all part of the ope ope ability, so not sure why only one area of his ability is suceptible to haki and not the rest. Besides i said that even if it worked, both Zoro and the sword will be teleported due to him becoming one with the sword while hardening it with his hands. They won't be seperated. So either shambles won't teleport them due to haki or if it did, Zoro will come along
Because Smoker didn't see the attack and as a result the body part cut by Law was unprotected and after that, Smoker was unconscious to do anything
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Why are people acting like Zoro is a speed demon when he was too slow for both Pica and Carrot?
Besides i said that even if it worked, both Zoro and the sword will be teleported due to him becoming one with the sword while hardening it with his hands. They won't be seperated. So either shambles won't teleport them due to haki or if it did, Zoro will come along
This isn't proof.
Not it's not lmfao. Amputation are the long-range slashes. Switching personalities has nothing to do with that ability
Feasible.
Only mentioned the severing powers.
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Besides i said that even if it worked, both Zoro and the sword will be teleported due to him becoming one with the sword while hardening it with his hands. They won't be seperated. So either shambles won't teleport them due to haki or if it did, Zoro will come along
But Smoker was in the middle of battle. If his Haki was active, which it would be as he was striking Law at the time, the attack would have failed under this premise. And it's not like he needs to have Koka active, as in the panel you provided, there's no Koka, yet you claim there his Haki negated Law's attack.
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He's been a speed-type forever man. Remember when he outmaneuvered Carrot and stopped Pica's movement through stone through sheer speed?
The real question is why are people acting like he isn't when he always has been?
- Could keep up and move at Luffy level speed in Whiskey Peak
- Could keep up with the yakusa mountain wind in enies lobby
- Could dodge Kuma's pad cannons(hyped to be "lightspeed") and keep up with him(even Luffy and Sanji got blitzed by him)
- Could cut a pacifista as fast if not faster than Sanji
- Could cut monster hyouzou's swords to pieces before he could even react
- Was mentioned to be faster than a shark fishman(faster than regular fishmen) underwater when someone like Sanji was "only" mentioned to be just as fast as a fishman underwater
- Could react and counter-attack an admiral while under heavy gravity. Also faced that admiral once again another time coming out unscathed
- Could dodge all Pica's attacks while not even paying attention to him(he had time to chat with Robin, Barto and Rebecca while jumping at a kilometer distance to dodge Pica's town level sharp attacks and ignore him)
Zoro never lacked speed against Pica. What he lacked was mobility to get to him(mobility =/= speed), but he was outclassing him in close quarter. One outlier instance where he underestimated the opponent(Carrot) is not changing that. Otherwise, we should take the instance base hyouzou could block and injure gear2 Luffy(same opponent Zoro blitzed when he was countless times stronger) or Monet intercepting his hawk gatling and capturing him, and so and so on
He blocked Law's cutting ability with his haki enhanced jutte(same thing Tashigi couldn't do with weak haki). How is that no proof?
He can't do that without ampuation. He needs to cut the heart-mind with amputation before switching
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I know. I'm just saying i don't know why haki will only work on a seperate part of a fruit ability. It's not like haki was created for Law's fruit. It's just a prerequisite to counter and fight against all devil fruit abilities. You think that Doflamingo was saying that Vergo could counter his amputation while forgetting the personabiltiy swap in an instance like that where he was full confident Vergo would burry him?
Yes the haki was on the jutte, but he didn't see Law due to the boulder, hence he didn't perceive when Law pierced through him and attacked his unprotected heart, it's what i'm saying. It was negating Law's ability though as mentioned above
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Oh yeah, let's not forget that Vergo's Haki was better than Smoker's, but Law cut through Vergo's. Smoker's Haki was definitely NOT good enough to neutralize Law's powers.
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Pica's attacks were never slated to be fast. In fact, given their size, they were painfully slow, so dodging them isn't a feat. Keeping up with Whiskey Peak Luffy? Because he was a speedster then? And Zoro spent most of the fight against Kaku blocking Kaku's attacks, not to mention that Kaku's nickname came from his amazing jumping ability, not because he was The Flash.
Who said Law was using his cutting ability at that moment? Also, how can Law cut through Vergo's Haki, and then have his ability neutralized by Smoker's weaker Haki?
He switched Tashigi and Smoker in Caesar's cage without cutting out their mind. He also switched the Strawhats in this manner.
You're the one who asked why people think Zoro is that fast and i listed the feats, yet you only picked what you wanted while ignoring the rest. Funny when Zoro has yet to be blitzed since the entirety of the timeskip when even Luffy has been blitzed quite a few times already. Also, Kaku was mentioned to be "crazy fast" by Luffy the moment he saw him.
Because room was activated? Because he was about to cut Tashigi again if not Smoker blocking? Because the entire scene was resolving around Tashigi's haki not strong enough to block Law's slashes? Because it was resolving around only Smoker being the one capable of the feat? As for Vergo? Ask Oda. I'm not sure even himself understand Law's abilities. I can easily say that Smoker was holding back against Vergo as an excuse, or that the room power amplified due to the size. We'd never know the answer however
Mangascan or it didn't happen
How about you start reading arguments first instead of dancing around the points? No one is talking about Zoro escaping Law's room. You don't need to escape his room to defeat him. Doflamingo defeated him inside his room
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Lol @ zoro the speed guy all of a sudden.
Zoro becomes whatever he needs to be in every VS thread.
Haki specialist extraordinaire
Strongest green haired man alive
Fastest one eyed man with three swords
Flying slash master
And let's not forget my favorite, 'Zoro would just cut his limb off' Even though he never ever has done that before. But in every vs thread the enemy always loses limbs.
Oh as for the swapping weapons in Law's room. Smoker's Jutte is sea stone tipped. That is why law didn't swap them. He has no trouble taking items, he took all the den den mushi from G5 with the flick of his hand.
Law mid diff if Zoro can hold on to his sword, or else it is just the Vergo treatment.
Zoro becomes whatever he needs to be in every VS thread.
Haki specialist extraordinaire
Strongest green haired man alive
Fastest one eyed man with three swords
Flying slash master
And let's not forget my favorite, 'Zoro would just cut his limb off' Even though he never ever has done that before. But in every vs thread the enemy always loses limbs.
Oh as for the swapping weapons in Law's room. Smoker's Jutte is sea stone tipped. That is why law didn't swap them. He has no trouble taking items, he took all the den den mushi from G5 with the flick of his hand.
Law mid diff if Zoro can hold on to his sword, or else it is just the Vergo treatment.
@Bold That's because Doflamingo is a formidable opponent with insane Haki and was able to fight both Law and Luffy at the same time. Are you implying that Zoro can do the same just because Doflamingo showed that he can? Cut the ABC shit logic. It clearly isn't working here, and since you clearly aren't discussing about Zoro escaping from Law's room, it should be pretty clear that he can't as you also don't have any solid speed feats from Zoro displaying that he can.
But I don't know why I'm trying to argue this with you since you have been known to get a little "excited" at anything relating to Zoro.
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I picked the notable ones. The only actual good speed feats were fighting Kaku and Kuma's cannon. The rest are exaggerated.
Nothing suggests that Room being active will automatically cause all of Law's sword swings to create the Amputation effect. Law was also about to cut Tashigi with a regular slash, not a Room slash.
Cut the bullshit. The answer is because Smoker's Haki isn't enough to neutralize Law's cutting abilities.
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I never said anything around Zoro being Doflamingo level. I only answered to your question about how to fight Law if you can't escape his room by giving the example of someone who defeated him while inside his room to counter your arguments by proving it's possible. Now if Zoro is up to the task or not is up to debate
If i wasn't excited around these type of discussions, who'd i be excited in then? Discussing around Papaguy? Pointless remark
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Law's powers work on both Seastone and water, so the Jitte being tipped with Seastone is meaningless.
- Says Zoro is never portrayed to be a speedsters
- Mention the fact Zoro could cut a pacifista as fast if not faster than Sanji(appeared behind the Pacifista beforehand)
- Mention a scan where fishmen are shocked to see Zoro moving faster than a shark fishman underwater(when Sanji was only mentioned to be just as fast as a fishman)
- Says they were no notable feat
And that was without mentioning how fast he split the mountain golem dozens of time, moved around defeating Pica and coming back to the royal plateau when the upper side of the golem didn't move much in the meantime
Not my fault if you guys are unable to understand the difference between combat speed, reaction speed, attacking speed, movement speed and mobility. Zoro lacks in movement speed and mobility. He never lacked in combat, reaction and attacking speed
Tashigi was prepared to block the sword swing, implying she was protecting herself with haki. Law was obviously trying to amputate her further. It is even what he mentioned before getting blocked by Smoker. It can't be any more obvious than that, that what helped Smoker to block the slash was his haki and he did it multiple times during their fight
When the manga showed it was?
Hmm not sure with the mini off-panel thing. I'd have to reconsider this... But i doubt he could do that without amputation when the other times we've seen him use it on panel(Strawhats, Tashigi-Smoker), he needed to seperate the heart-mind thanks to amputation ability beforehand. Otherwise it'd just be another one of the multiple non-understandable capabilities of Law's devil fruit
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Law shits. Even if he doesn't want to take Zoro blades and they clash he already used the room to counter haki on Vergo's level so he simply just clash with Zoro and end it with this[
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