Sakura was not not touching Kakashi during the genjutsu, he fell to the floor after the effects of the sharingan before he casted the genjutsu on sakura. Nobody was out of place where as naruto's was virtually alone.
Nowhere did he said that infinite tsukyomi is the same as the gedo mazou genjutsu :lol
"This" can imply as anything and there would be no need to revive the bijus if gedo mazou enhanced genjutsu is the same as Infinite tsukyomi.
Are you going to ignore that we saw Kakashi's hand right near her knee and that she had both hands on him right before being put in the illusion? From that first angle, we'd be able to see some part of Kakashi, but he isn't there.
Still changed the environment and dragged him into a genjutsu space.
You still haven't shown which part of the environment changed to support yourself. The illusion looks exactly the same as reality.
Nowhere did he said that infinite tsukyomi is the same as the gedo mazou genjutsu :lol
"This" can imply as anything and there would be no need to revive the bijus if gedo mazou enhanced genjutsu is the same as Infinite tsukyomi.
"This" refers to the current genjutsu specifically. How do you get "anything" out of that? The Tailed Beasts are needed in order to cast it upon the moon.
I'll assume your unwillingness to respond to my latest post, which contains manga facts that directly oppose your own view points, is a concession of defeat on your end.
Are you going to ignore that we saw Kakashi's hand right near her knee and that she had both hands on him right before being put in the illusion? From that first angle, we'd be able to see some part of Kakashi, but he isn't there.
Kakashi's hands are horizontal to Sakura's head. How can it be near her knees when he's leaning forward? She did not have both hand on him right before the illusion, otherwise she would not have collapsed on the floor from her knees. She would've fell on top of him if that were true.
You still haven't shown which part of the environment changed to support yourself. The illusion looks exactly the same as reality.
The surrounding crows, missing granny chiyo with sakura, and shurikens hurtling from the sky is signification of a different environment. Sasuke didn't create a snake clones flying towards sakura in his genjutsu, it was an exact image of him piercing Sakura. That's how it looked like.
"This" refers to the current genjutsu specifically. How do you get "anything" out of that? The Tailed Beasts are needed in order to cast it upon the moon.
The tailed beast are not needed to cast a little genjutsu that Madara casted on Obito. Infinte Tsukyomi is different in which the jyubi is required to reflect of the moon. You messed up when you labelled those two entirely separate genjutsus as the same.
I'll assume your unwillingness to respond to my latest post, which contains manga facts that directly oppose your own view points, is a concession of defeat on your end.
Just keep quite, you're dense for even thinking Yin release is susanoo. Yin release isn't even tangible and falls under the category of genjutsu. And just because the manga titles the power of darkness doesn't mean it correlates to Yin release which had no mention in your manga page. Because I should just go back to every single page of Part 1 gaara's fighting being called the power of darkness and label that one as yin release as well. I ignored it for a reason. General darkness is not Shadow style.
Kakashi's hands are horizontal to Sakura's head. How can it be near her knees when he's leaning forward? She did not have both hand on him right before the illusion, otherwise she would not have collapsed on the floor from her knees. She would've fell on top of him if that were true.
In both of these images, them being directly before being put under genjutsu, Sakura had her hands on Kakashi.
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Kakashi is so close that it'd be impossible for him to not be in the shot in reality. Even the background in the illusion is partially gone for emphasis.
The surrounding crows, missing granny chiyo with sakura, and shurikens hurtling from the sky is signification of a different environment. Sasuke didn't create a snake clones flying towards sakura in his genjutsu, it was an exact image of him piercing Sakura. That's how it looked like.
Your reason for explaining why Sasuke did not drag her into a "dream world" is because the environment (location) is the same. The same goes for Itachi's. You have zero evidence for there being another Sasuke. Your only point is that Sasuke did not move in reality but did in the illusion, but Itachi did the same. You're the only person who has interpreted the manga in this way.
The tailed beast are not needed to cast a little genjutsu that Madara casted on Obito. Infinte Tsukyomi is different in which the jyubi is required to reflect of the moon. You messed up when you labelled those two entirely separate genjutsus as the same.
Just keep quite, you're dense for even thinking Yin release is susanoo. Yin release isn't even tangible and falls under the category of genjutsu. And just because the manga titles the power of darkness doesn't mean it correlates to Yin release which had no mention in your manga page. Because I should just go back to every single page of Part 1 gaara's fighting being called the power of darkness and label that one as yin release as well. I ignored it for a reason. General darkness is not Shadow style.
I literally just showed you the manga proof, you moron.
Yin Release isn't tangible? Is that why the entire category is creating lifeless form? The Bijuu's bodies were created with Yin release. Read the ****ing manga.
Besides, any intelligent member would have realized I wasn't quoting Karin, but Cee, who directly says "His chakras are the same as when he used that Genjutsu."
In both of these images, them being directly before being put under genjutsu, Sakura had her hands on Kakashi.
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Kakashi is so close that it'd be impossible for him to not be in the shot in reality. Even the background in the illusion is partially gone for emphasis.
She did not have both of her hands on Kakashi. She literally turned her body away from Kakashi to talk to Sasuke.
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Reason being why kakashi was not close to be shot with a genjutsu. And last time I checked, the only genjutsu that can physically move your body in the real world is KA. So how is Sasuke moving Sakura to be away from Kakashi on both her knees?
She's not holding kakashi in a genjutsu, she wouldn't even be able to make eye contact if that were true.
Your just feeding ideas from off panel sketches, it doesn't work that way.
Your reason for explaining why Sasuke did not drag her into a "dream world" is because the environment (location) is the same. The same goes for Itachi's. You have zero evidence for there being another Sasuke. Your only point is that Sasuke did not move in reality but did in the illusion, but Itachi did the same. You're the only person who has interpreted the manga in this way.
It's not only the fact that he sent a genjutsu image to impale Sakura, it's also the fact that Sasuke wasn't flying in the air in the shape of clones, summoning crows to surround the place, and forcing half of Naruto's face being curse seal sasuke in this dreamscape. So you arguing that Itachi did the same thing is just riveting to me right now.
Unlike you, I pay attention to the details.
I literally just showed you the manga proof, you moron.
Yin Release isn't tangible? Is that why the entire category is creating lifeless form? The Bijuu's bodies were created with Yin release. Read the ****ing manga.
Besides, any intelligent member would have realized I wasn't quoting Karin, but Cee, who directly says "His chakras are the same as when he used that Genjutsu."
She did not have both of her hands on Kakashi. She literally turned her body away from Kakashi to talk to Sasuke.
Reason being why kakashi was not close to be shot with a genjutsu. And last time I checked, the only genjutsu that can physically move your body in the real world is KA. So how is Sasuke moving Sakura to be away from Kakashi on both her knees?
She's not holding kakashi in a genjutsu, she wouldn't even be able to make eye contact if that were true.
Your just feeding ideas from off panel sketches, it doesn't work that way.
Her hands are still on Kakashi. Her right arm is blocked by her left, as shown by the page prior. I never suggested Sasuke moved Kakashi. Kakashi simply wasn't in the illusion casted on Sakura. You don't have to move your entire body to make eye contact.
It's not only the fact that he sent a genjutsu image to impale Sakura, it's also the fact that Sasuke wasn't flying in the air in the shape of clones, summoning crows to surround the place, and forcing half of Naruto's face being curse seal sasuke in this dreamscape. So you arguing that Itachi did the same thing is just riveting to me right now.
Unlike you, I pay attention to the details.
You assume far too much. Just because Itachi did more in his genjutsu does not mean they are not of the same property. If Itachi hadn't of done all of that, you would not be able to tell the "difference" you speak of between Itachi's and Sasuke's technique. The environment would be the same and everything would look normal. It is not mandatory that anything change during a genjutsu. You have provided no evidence of there being a second Sasuke still or that what we saw was reality.
It's not the same, otherwise what's the point of the biju.
Her hands are still on Kakashi. Her right arm is blocked by her left, as shown by the page prior. I never suggested Sasuke moved Kakashi. Kakashi simply wasn't in the illusion casted on Sakura. You don't have to move your entire body to make eye contact.
You assume far too much. Just because Itachi did more in his genjutsu does not mean they are not of the same property. If Itachi hadn't of done all of that, you would not be able to tell the "difference" you speak of between Itachi's and Sasuke's technique. The environment would be the same and everything would look normal. It is not mandatory that anything change during a genjutsu. You have provided no evidence of there being a second Sasuke still or that what we saw was reality.
It exactly means that there's a difference. The genjutsu Sasuke sent to Sakura was a mirage of him just like how the 2nd mizukage used shadow style of a mirage of himself.
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What itachi did is different, he changed everything and his genjutsu also affected the shape of the victim himself which is something Sakura cannot do. It is obviously different, why are you arguing this still?
How do you expect Madara to gain a RinneSharingan in order to reflect the technique on the entire world?
I mistook that for her bandages, but her left hand is still on Kakashi, even after the genjutsu. He can't just be off-panel when they're that close. You also haven't explained why they are shaded differently in the illusion and why the background is partially gone.
It exactly means that there's a difference. The genjutsu Sasuke sent to Sakura was a mirage of him just like how the 2nd mizukage used shadow style of a mirage of himself.
What itachi did is different, he changed everything and his genjutsu also affected the shape of the victim himself which is something Sakura cannot do. It is obviously different, why are you arguing this still?
What if Itachi did not change anything in his genjutsu and just moved in it? Would you be able to tell the difference? No. Just like here. You have no evidence that there is a second Sasuke; you're just claiming it. The Mizukage's mirages can't even interact or cast genjutsu on people, so that comparison doesn't make sense.
Not by the gedo mazou alone he's not. And that's what he used on Obito thus being different. Stop being stubborn you lost this already.
Madara already said the techniques are the same, you just keep denying it. The only thing you've done is questioned it because you don't understand why the Tailed Beasts are needed, which I've explained.
I mistook that for her bandages, but her left hand is still on Kakashi, even after the genjutsu. He can't just be off-panel when they're that close. You also haven't explained why they are shaded differently in the illusion and why the background is partially gone.
The background is still the same, the rocks and everything are exactly the same. Expecting Kishi to detail off the panel page to benefit your assumption isn't going to help you. And no, Sakura removed her left hand from kakashi before the genjutsu otherwise she would of fell right on top of kakashi. Just stop seriously, you already claimed that her right hand was hidden behind her right hand. You're getting desperate.
Her left hand too was away from Kakashi.
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What if Itachi did not change anything in his genjutsu and just moved in it? Would you be able to tell the difference? No. Just like here. You have no evidence that there is a second Sasuke; you're just claiming it. The Mizukage's mirages can't even interact or cast genjutsu on people, so that comparison doesn't make sense.
But he didn't, end of story. There's clearly a difference because neither did Sasuke or the Mizukage fly in the air as a bunch of crows. Itachi in the real world cannot do that.
And the 2nd mizukage's mirage is a genjutsu on the poeple, anyone in the claim's mist is in that genjutsu yet everything they fought in and attacked where in the real world.
Madara already said the techniques are the same, you just keep denying it. The only thing you've done is questioned it because you don't understand why the Tailed Beasts are needed, which I've explained.
The tailed beast is needed to revive the juubi and use the eyes of the juubi to reflect off the moon. Madara's spare eye being casted on single person is clearly not the same and you'r just a horrible troll that doesn't want to admit when he has lost here.
If you're gonna keep trolling then I'm closing this thread.
The background is still the same, the rocks and everything are exactly the same. Expecting Kishi to detail off the panel page to benefit your assumption isn't going to help you. And no, Sakura removed her left hand from kakashi before the genjutsu otherwise she would of fell right on top of kakashi. Just stop seriously, you already claimed that her right hand was hidden behind her right hand. You're getting desperate.
But he didn't, end of story. There's clearly a difference because neither did Sasuke or the Mizukage fly in the air as a bunch of crows. Itachi in the real world cannot do that.
And the 2nd mizukage's mirage is a genjutsu on the poeple, anyone in the claim's mist is in that genjutsu yet everything they fought in and attacked where in the real world.
The tailed beast is needed to revive the juubi and use the eyes of the juubi to reflect off the moon. Madara's spare eye being casted on single person is clearly not the same and you'r just a horrible troll that doesn't want to admit when he has lost here.
If you're gonna keep trolling then I'm closing this thread.
This will probably be my last reply. You obviously have no intention of changing despite being the only one to believe this idea.
The Mizukage's mirage cannot interact with people. Genjutsu allows you to control the brain of the other person, so it is a technique that casts an illusional image. Sasuke's phantom however punctured Sakura. It didn't puncture her in reality though, meaning the phantom is fake and Sakura is in an illusion. This second Sasuke can not of existed if it's shown actions never did. You continue once again to spout they are similar acts but then go on to provide absolutely zero evidence that Sasuke used a duplicate.
Just because Infinite Tsukuyomi is not casted on the same thing does not mean it isn't the same technique. Madara said it himself and anything else you have to say about it is mere insolence.
This will probably be my last reply. You obviously have no intention of changing despite being the only one to believe this idea.
The Mizukage's mirage cannot interact with people. Genjutsu allows you to control the brain of the other person, so it is a technique that casts an illusional image. Sasuke's phantom however punctured Sakura. It didn't puncture her in reality though, meaning the phantom is fake and Sakura is in an illusion. This second Sasuke can not of existed if it's shown actions never did. You continue once again to spout they are similar acts but then go on to provide absolutely zero evidence that Sasuke used a duplicate.
Just because Infinite Tsukuyomi is not casted on the same thing does not mean it isn't the same technique. Madara said it himself and anything else you have to say about it is mere insolence.
The 2nd mizukage's mirage is the genjutsu mist being emitted from the claim as he stated that he is a genjutsu user that it is shadow style aka yin release. Those people who were attacking this mizukage mirage were all affected by the genjutsu that is airborne. The fact that there is a genjutsu being sent towards its victims in the real world is already enough evidence and common sense to the average brain can see. As you see with Sasuke and the 2nd mizukage change nothing in the surrounding around them and their victims but only the placement of their phantom copies.
As for the genjutsu business you should be condemn for your bold arrogance for no dolt should ever say the genjutsu coming off gedo is the same from the God tree.
This end here, since you can't contain yourself from trolling.