The sharingan does not the same as anyother genjutsu. Their are different types of genjutsu that work different functions. For one you should know this.
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sharingan genjutsu are able to decieve the perception of time, environment, and even space depending on the level of the caster. For other non-ocular genjutsus, they are incapable of dragging you to that space or even using non tools to place in a limited genjutsu can that only preform what they are capable of in the real world to a certain extent.
As for Susanoo, it is not Yin release you're not even making any sense with this theory. Because unlike the image sasuke that he used to stab sakura, susanoo is a tangible structure of chakra that has little or nothing to do with mental energy. Susanoo is physical and it is chakra of the individual, it was never even stated in the manga databook to be a yin release technique.
Susano'o is Yin Release. Manga fact. The rest is nonsense or irrelevant. Genjutsu does not create anything but a fake impression within the mind. By that logic, dropping Acid is also Yin release.
To be fair the manga scan shows him in a different light then his actual body..
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It looks like a image of him an not his actual body. But at the same time it is a genjutsu so it could've been an there are different ways of casting it.. With his Rinne his genjutsu lvl is far superior to that of his sharingan..
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His color has more of the black shading in it then the assumed after image.. So it's possible that he did some kind projection of himself to cast his genjutsu.. It was only between him an the pink haired girl.. Naruto an Kakashi didn't seem to see his projection cause the pink haired girl was the one lookin into his eyes..
Imma be as realistic as i can here an say that it probably was a projection of him to the pink haired girl an no1 else could see what he did but they just know it was genjutsu..
This is why i kinda hate these still pics because it difficult to tell what he did exactly!
What you see is the real Sasuke standing one place and the illusion Sasuke lunging (shuushin) towards sakura to stab her. That's what the lines are for, high speed movement.
I don't know what thus kaguya naruto thing you're talking about here.
You're saying Sasuke projected some sort of clone that can put you in genjutsu when it touches you? That's beyond the story's logic.
Sasuke's clone that stabbed Sakura is the illusion. illusionary attacks do not deliver physical damage, it's all physiological trauma.
The genjutsu Sasuke casted was in a form of himself. That's it. He didn't bring her into a genjutsu space to cast that genjutsu.
He did not what? His genjutsu was the most superior we've seen besides Infinite Tsukuyomi, regardless of the fact he used the Demonic Statue. It surpasses what Sasuke could do with his eyes alone and Madara still could not make his illusions reality.
That's the genjutsu of gedo mazou that's behind all of it. the refection just came from the eyes.
Giving Madara all the credit for that genjutsu he used on obito is like giving credit to madara in casting Infinite tsukyomi and not the God tree/jyubi itself.
And itachi's Tsukuyomi is more superior than that little thing he did.
That's the problem with your idea. There's literally zero evidence to support Sakura seeing it in the reality. Just because the scenery is the same (like Itachi has done), does not mean it is real.
Itachi's never done created an image of himself in the real world, it was always in a genjutsu space.
Look at this space here, it's a crow world completely out of touch of the real world..
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Even when fighting Sasuke you see the change here too.
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In Madara's own words, he is able to drag others into his own world. Madara was using a limited Infinite Tsukuyomi as he stated he would cast the same technique on the moon in order to bring others into it. Him explaining that he could create anything, no matter how defined, is a testament to the Demonic Statue's power and that is beyond regular genjutsu. It's completely doubtful that he'd be unable to slow time as well.
What madara used was a knock off of a knock off.
His eyes have to be fixated on you to drag you into a space where he can create anything and anyone. Just like Itachi's Tsukuyomi except that itachi's change the perception of time where as madara being able to do that with gedo mazou is an assumption. In the end of the day he still needed help from a summoning and you pass that off being better than the likes of other genjutsu users that don't have a sharingan? Look at the mizukage claim summoing and the gedo mazou summoning and tell me you don't see the similarities in terms of genjutsu usage.
Susano'o is Yin Release. Manga fact. The rest is nonsense or irrelevant. Genjutsu does not create anything but a fake impression within the mind. By that logic, dropping Acid is also Yin release.
Susanoo is not Yin release, this is just utter stupidity and rubbish assumptions.
There is no manga fact and Kakashi now harnessing the power of darkness which you seem to believe is Yin release is just retarded.
Everything else I posted is factual and underlined in red straight form the text. If you have a problem with dealing with facts, then just get out of here with your fan fiction theory.
That's just to signify that he was moving very fast.
The genjutsu was intended to be an image of sasuke moving at super speeds to impale Sakura. That's it. No spiritual/ghostly/energy based/spectral Sasuke, just Sasuke. Normal Sasuke.
That's just to signify that he was moving very fast.
The genjutsu was intended to be an image of sasuke moving at super speeds to impale Sakura. That's it. No spiritual/ghostly/energy based/spectral Sasuke, just Sasuke. Normal Sasuke.
That's wzup! It just really hard to tell.. at least for me because of the way the image is... I gotta admit though it would've been kool if he actually projected himself in that manner to cast his genjutsu...
To be fair the manga scan shows him in a different light then his actual body..
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It looks like a image of him an not his actual body. But at the same time it is a genjutsu so it could've been an there are different ways of casting it.. With his Rinne his genjutsu lvl is far superior to that of his sharingan.
He needed kamui dimension to use it where as Sasuke did it in the real world without changing the perception of the environment like itachi, tobi, obito, kakashi and madara.
He needed kamui dimension to use it where as Sasuke did it in the real world without changing the perception of the environment like itachi, tobi, obito, kakashi and madara.
so basically, you're saying Sasuke used a visible apparition to hypnotize Sakura and it wasn't relevant enough for anybody to mention anything about it
What you see is the real Sasuke standing one place and the illusion Sasuke lunging (shuushin) towards sakura to stab her. That's what the lines are for, high speed movement.
I don't know what thus kaguya naruto thing you're talking about here.
Sasuke's clone that stabbed Sakura is the illusion. illusionary attacks do not deliver physical damage, it's all physiological trauma.
The genjutsu Sasuke casted was in a form of himself. That's it. He didn't bring her into a genjutsu space to cast that genjutsu.
Itachi's never done created an image of himself in the real world, it was always in a genjutsu space.
Look at this space here, it's a crow world completely out of touch of the real world..
Even when fighting Sasuke you see the change here too.
Go re-read chapter 258-259. Itachi puts Naruto in a genjutsu where the scenery is still the same. Sasuke did the same thing by showing himself stabbing Sakura without actually moving. He isn't projecting another version of himself. He is showing an illusion.
That's the genjutsu of gedo mazou that's behind all of it. the refection just came from the eyes.
Giving Madara all the credit for that genjutsu he used on obito is like giving credit to madara in casting Infinite tsukyomi and not the God tree/jyubi itself.
And itachi's Tsukuyomi is more superior than that little thing he did.
So you're saying Itachi's Tsukuyomi is superior to Infinite Tsukuyomi? That's laughable at best. I never gave the all the credit to Madara. I'm simply saying he showcased a feat better than Sasuke's.
Limited Tsukuymi is this
What madara used was a knock off of a knock off.
His eyes have to be fixated on you to drag you into a space where he can create anything and anyone. Just like Itachi's Tsukuyomi except that itachi's change the perception of time where as madara being able to do that with gedo mazou is an assumption. In the end of the day he still needed help from a summoning and you pass that off being better than the likes of other genjutsu users that don't have a sharingan? Look at the mizukage claim summoing and the gedo mazou summoning and tell me you don't see the similarities in terms of genjutsu usage.
Limited Tsukuyomi is from a movie I'm quite sure. I don't remember seeing that in the actual manga. I'm talking about the Infinite Tsukuyomi Madara used directly from the Demonic Statue, which is the same as the original except in it's range and perhaps influence. If it was so ordinary Madara wouldn't have exclaimed how it was possible to create an entire world, no matter how detailed. He's also able to drag multiple people into it. Demonic Illusion: Steaming Multistoried Building, the Giant Clam's technique, is completely different than the Sharingan in function.
Indeed but any1 outside of the genjutsu wouldn't see it anyways like normal genjutsu when it's cast... The connection was between the pink haired girl an Sasuke, outside of that,, no1 would see it anyways right!?
An on top of it... There is no physical damage done to her chest so it could've went either way that's being claimed by the base here..
His physical hand protruding in her body would've left some kind of a hole or somethin but it's not there.. Shit's hard to tell..
Go re-read chapter 258-259. Itachi puts Naruto in a genjutsu where the scenery is still the same. Sasuke did the same thing by showing himself stabbing Sakura without actually moving. He isn't projecting another version of himself. He is showing an illusion.
it's pretty much why Naruto knew what Sasuke did to Sakura after she fainted, because Itachi did the same exact thing to him.
And iirc, Obito and Kakashi used that trick against each other in their Kamui dimension fight.
Indeed but any1 outside of the genjutsu wouldn't see it anyways like normal genjutsu when it's cast... The connection was between the pink haired girl an Sasuke, outside of that,, no1 would see it anyways right!?
An on top of it... There is no physical damage done to her chest so it could've went either way that's being claimed by the base here..
His physical hand protruding in her body would've left some kind of a hole or somethin but it's not there.. Shit's hard to tell..
it's not really true that it could've went either way though. Itachi, Obito, and Kakashi all performed the same trick on somebody long before Sasuke ever got his Rinnegan.
it's pretty much why Naruto knew what Sasuke did to Sakura after she fainted, because Itachi did the same exact thing to him.
And iirc, Obito and Kakashi used that trick against each other in their Kamui dimension fight.it's not really true that it could've went either way though. Itachi, Obito, and Kakashi all performed the same trick on somebody long before Sasuke ever got his Rinnegan.
Then were is the physical damage to her chest if it is indeed the real Sasuke.. Puting your hand in some1 will leave a hole,, but theses no hole... See what i mean!? If he physicaly fisted her then there would be a hole... It's almost like an astro projection an not his physical body..
After he did it he's standing about twenty or so feet away from her while his image is still casting genjutsu... It's really difficult for me when it comes to this...
(I could just say Kishi don't give a shit an leave it there though but even then that's not actual fact either)
Go re-read chapter 258-259. Itachi puts Naruto in a genjutsu where the scenery is still the same. Sasuke did the same thing by showing himself stabbing Sakura without actually moving. He isn't projecting another version of himself. He is showing an illusion.
It's not and it wasn't even a sharingan genjutsu and those were crow itachi's. Like actual shadow clone crows in the genjutsu. Itachi used that against Sasuke in their fight.
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So you're saying Itachi's Tsukuyomi is superior to Infinite Tsukuyomi? That's laughable at best. I never gave the all the credit to Madara. I'm simply saying he showcased a feat better than Sasuke's.
So you're saying that Madara's Gedo genjutsu is equivalent to Infinite Tsukyomi? Because that's the genjutsu I'm talking about.
Limited Tsukuyomi is from a movie I'm quite sure. I don't remember seeing that in the actual manga. I'm talking about the Infinite Tsukuyomi Madara used directly from the Demonic Statue, which is the same as the original except in it's range and perhaps influence. If it was so ordinary Madara wouldn't have exclaimed how it was possible to create an entire world, no matter how detailed. He's also able to drag multiple people into it. Demonic Illusion: Steaming Multistoried Building, the Giant Clam's technique, is completely different than the Sharingan in function.
I just posted manga page of it stating that it's limited tsukyomi it's even in the databook. Madara never called his gedo genjutsu limited tsukuyomi, it's just an unnmaed knock off. Regardless what of whatever you want to call it. Both users summon their creature to aid them in enhancing their genjutsu capabilities. This isn't a feat Madara can use on his own and neither did he say he can unlike Sasuke who kills it with his eyes
Then were is the physical damage to her chest if it is indeed the real Sasuke.. Puting your hand in some1 will leave a hole,, but theses no hole... See what i mean!? If he physicaly fisted her then there would be a hole... It's almost like an astro projection an not his physical body..
After he did it he's standing about twenty or so feet away from her while his image is still casting genjutsu... It's really difficult for me when it comes to this...
same exact thing happened when Itachi, Kakashi, and Obito used it. The point of that genjutsu was to use the illusion of extreme physical shock as a means to completely overwhelm the victim's senses. Anybody with enough exp with Sharingan genjutsu can pull that off.
It's not and it wasn't even a sharingan genjutsu and those were crow itachi's. Like actual shadow clone crows in the genjutsu. Itachi used that against Sasuke in their fight.
I don't think you read the chapters. The environment is exactly the same as before Naruto was put in the genjutsu. When it was over everyone was showed in similar spots to before it was casted.
So you're saying that Madara's Gedo genjutsu is equivalent to Infinite Tsukyomi? Because that's the genjutsu I'm talking about.
I just posted manga page of it stating that it's limited tsukyomi it's even in the databook. Madara never called his gedo genjutsu limited tsukuyomi, it's just an unnmaed knock off. Regardless what of whatever you want to call it. Both users summon their creature to aid them in enhancing their genjutsu capabilities. This isn't a feat Madara can use on his own and neither did he say he can unlike Sasuke who kills it with his eyes
What chapter is that from, because I only remember that from the movie? Either way, I never called Madara's technique Limited Tsukuyomi nor was I ever referencing Obito's technique. Once again, I never gave full credit to Madara. His feat however still outclasses Sasuke's.
I don't think you read the chapters. The environment is exactly the same as before Naruto was put in the genjutsu. When it was over everyone was showed in similar spots to before it was casted.
I read it. It was the exact replica of the place with itachi clones surround it with no chiyo, no sakura, no kakashi, and itachi floating in space talking to naruto. While in the real world, Chiyo and Sakura were right next to naruto the whole time.
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Itachi still changed the environment despite it looking vaguely similar.
What chapter is that from, because I only remember that from the movie? Either way, I never called Madara's technique Limited Tsukuyomi nor was I ever referencing Obito's technique. Once again, I never gave full credit to Madara. His feat however still outclasses Sasuke's.
I read it. It was the exact replica of the place with itachi clones surround it with no chiyo, no sakura, no kakashi, and itachi floating in space talking to naruto. While in the real world, Chiyo and Sakura were right next to naruto the whole time.
Itachi still changed the environment despite it looking vaguely similar.
Where is a single change in the environment? The only thing that is changed are the characters, just like how Kakashi and Sakura were touching but not in Sasuke's illusion. In Itachi's, he was in the air while in reality he was sparing with Kakashi. In Sasuke's, he was stabbing Sakura but actually standing. There's literally no difference.
Where is a single change in the environment? The only thing that is changed are the characters, just like how Kakashi and Sakura were touching but not in Sasuke's illusion. In Itachi's, he was in the air while in reality he was sparing with Kakashi. In Sasuke's, he was stabbing Sakura but actually standing. There's literally no difference.
Sakura was not not touching Kakashi during the genjutsu, he fell to the floor after the effects of the sharingan before he casted the genjutsu on sakura. Nobody was out of place where as naruto's was virtually alone.
Read how itachi's genjutsu works.
