Sasuke demonstrated the best way....

[shelke]

He didn't stab Chidori in her chest

Implication is Chidori. But, yes, you are correct. He should be able to stab his hand through her regardless after gaining Sage's Chakra.

 

[WalksInShadows]

no such thing happened in the manga, so you got all gassed up over an anime screw up XD

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

no such thing happened in the manga, so you got all gassed up over an anime screw up XD

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It did :|

 

[Holy God]

I mean that still doesn't change the fact of what he did. Whether he was purple in the anime or actual Sasuke colors in the manga doesn't change the point of this thread at all. I used the anime image because the color looked better.

Yes it does. You're simply assuming Sasuke created another version of himself when in fact from Sakura's point of view it most likely was the original Sasuke that stabbed her.

 

[Amazeballs]

The anime didn't even illustrate this scene correctly. It should have been an actual depiction of him stabbing Sakura, showing her viewpoint of the genjutsu which should look realistic.

Yeah, the anime insulted viewers' intelligence and assumed that we'd be too confused if they didn't clearly show an illusion of Sasuke stab Sakura. The scene completely lost its impact.

The episode overall was very well done, though.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

That was a basic genjutsu to make Sakura think she was stabbed. The anime just f*cked it.

Dafuq are you on about?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes it does. You're simply assuming Sasuke created another version of himself when in fact from Sakura's point of view it most likely was the original Sasuke that stabbed her.

Sasuke did create an image of himself stabbing Sakura, what are you talking about?

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The anime just tried to make the whole thing dramatic by making it purple. The point is that Sasuke created an image of himself stabbing Sakura. What the hell does anime color have to do with this thread anyway?

That was a basic genjutsu to make Sakura think she was stabbed. The anime just f*cked it.

Dafuq are you on about?

1. It's not a basic genjutsu, no ocular genjutsu is basic really.
2. Did you even bother to read the thread or did you just bandwagon comments that missed the point of this thread entirely? I can change the post to the manga page instead and it wouldn't make a difference.

 

[WalksInShadows]

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It did :|

try again kid. Sakura fainted from looking into Sasuke's eye, which proved it was nothing more than a basic Sharingan genjutsu he put on her.

 

[lndra]

Manga > anime

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

try again kid. Sakura fainted from looking into Sasuke's eye, which proved it was nothing more than a basic Sharingan genjutsu he put on her.

Read again kid.

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Sasuke created this from his eyes.

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Actually read the post instead of admiring the pretty picture.

Manga > anime

You too.

 

[Holy God]

Sasuke did create an image of himself stabbing Sakura, what are you talking about?

The anime just tried to make the whole thing dramatic by making it purple. The point is that Sasuke created an image of himself stabbing Sakura. What the hell does anime color have to do with this thread anyway?

I never said he didn't cast a visual technique on Sakura. I've actually said the opposite. You're saying he created a separate version of himself though, implying there were two of him in the genjutsu. If you're just trying to say he created a separate version of reality for Sakura, then every Sharingan user can do that and Sasuke is not special in that regard.

Either way, both points of your thread are invalid: insulting Madara and implying Sasuke could bring his imagination to life. For the first, Madara was able to use a limited Infinite Tsukuyomi as an old man, allowing him to bring multiple people into the same illusion and craft anything he wanted, which is a better feat. Regarding the second, even Madara who had both powers could not bring his illusions to life. Even Hagoromo could only shape form into another (chakra to sentient). It's not that easy or simple.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Read again kid.

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Sasuke created this from his eyes.

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Actually read the post instead of admiring the pretty picture.

You too.

you are literally impossible to reason with:

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Absolutely 0 mention of some never-before-seen ocular genjutsu, and Sakura's response to what Sasuke did screams basic Sharingan genjutsu because she looked him in the eye when he turned around to look at her.

 

[The Necromancer]

Read again kid.

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Sasuke created this from his eyes.

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Actually read the post instead of admiring the pretty picture.

You too.

That's how every genjutsu works, dude.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I never said he didn't cast a visual technique on Sakura. I've actually said the opposite. You're saying he created a separate version of himself though, implying there were two of him in the genjutsu. If you're just trying to say he created a separate version of reality for Sakura, then every Sharingan user can do that and Sasuke is not special in that regard.

In which he did. What Sakura saw was a Sasuke and then an illusionary Sasuke stab her in the chest in both the manga and the anime. Which I told Necromancer that nobody has ever replicated that feat before.
That is what I've benn actually saying this whole entire time, but you were too focused on the lucid picture instead.

Either way, both points of your thread are invalid: insulting Madara and implying Sasuke could bring his imagination to life. For the first, Madara was able to use a limited Infinite Tsukuyomi as an old man, allowing him to bring multiple people into the same illusion and craft anything he wanted, which is a better feat. Regarding the second, even Madara who had both powers could not bring his illusions to life. Even Hagoromo could only shape form into another (chakra to sentient). It's not that easy or simple.

1. Sasuke did create an image of himself to life, that's an indisputable fact right there.
2. Madara used Gedo Mazou to create a space of himself in this illusionary world which Itachi does with Tsukuyomi and Tobi easily done himself.
3. The very basis of six path yin release is to create an image of whatever object with your ocular ability already. For Hagormoo he implemented the very jyubi to further enhance the creation of all nine limitless chakra beast. Because by itself without the jyubi he cannot mold new life with just his chakra only.
What Sasuke did is part of it. He created another image of himself lunging towards sakura impaling her in the chest.

That's how every genjutsu works, dude.

How so? Other genjutsu use a real life medium such as mist, cherry blossoms, etc. to cast their genjutsu. Which I told you are hiden genjutsus. For the sharingan they can reflect an image (genjutsu) of whatever they think of towards the opponent with no life physical properties, summonings, tools, and hand signs to cast this jutsu.

I'm saying that what Sasuke did is the best example of it.

 

[Holy God]

In which he did. What Sakura saw was a Sasuke and then an illusionary Sasuke stab her in the chest in both the manga and the anime. Which I told Necromancer that nobody has ever replicated that feat before.
That is what I've benn actually saying this whole entire time, but you were too focused on the lucid picture instead.

I know what you've been saying the whole time as you just agreed with in this post. Unless you can show an image of there being two Sasuke, I, like everyone else, will continue to believe that Sasuke created an illusion in which he ran towards and stabbed Sakura.

1. Sasuke did create an image of himself to life, that's an indisputable fact right there.

No he didn't, or else Sakura would have been physically damaged.

2. Madara used Gedo Mazou to create a space of himself in this illusionary world which Itachi does with Tsukuyomi and Tobi easily done himself.

Madara's technique was the strongest excluding Infinite Tskuyomi. He could drag multiple opponents in the same technique and change everything he wanted.

3. The very basis of six path yin release is to create an image of whatever object with your ocular ability already. For Hagormoo he implemented the very jyubi to further enhance the creation of all nine limitless chakra beast. Because by itself without the jyubi he cannot mold new life with just his chakra only.
What Sasuke did is part of it. He created another image of himself lunging towards sakura impaling her in the chest.

Sasuke indeed did half of the process like every Uchiha can, but it's not impressive. Hagoromo's "Creation of All Things" had to still use something else in order to change it. He never created something from nothing.

 

[~Ethereal~]

The anime made him look like a glow in the dark toy. ¬_______¬

 

[The Necromancer]

How so? Other genjutsu use a real life medium such as mist, cherry blossoms, etc. to cast their genjutsu. Which I told you are hiden genjutsus. For the sharingan they can reflect an image (genjutsu) of whatever they think of towards the opponent with no life physical properties, summonings, tools, and hand signs to cast this jutsu.

I'm saying that what Sasuke did is the best example of it.

99% of the genjutsu in the manga work in exactly the same way, because 99% of the genjutsu in the manga are sharingan genjutsu.

The others use a "medium" as the form of getting within the 5 senses. The sharingan needs to be seen to work, and Kurenai's flower petals or whatever else need to be seen just the same.

Susano'o is the prime example of Yin release creating a lifeless shell, not this.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I know what you've been saying the whole time as you just agreed with in this post. Unless you can show an image of there being two Sasuke, I, like everyone else, will continue to believe that Sasuke created an illusion in which he ran towards and stabbed Sakura.

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No he didn't, or else Sakura would have been physically damaged.

No she wouldn't. Since when does mental energy directly give you physical damage? You need physical energy to deliver physical damage.

Madara's technique was the strongest excluding Infinite Tskuyomi. He could drag multiple opponents in the same technique and change everything he wanted.

He did not. And using gedo mazou as support is something anyone can easily do. Hook that thing to Shisui, Itachi, Tobi, and Sasuke and everyone dies.

Sasuke indeed did half of the process like every Uchiha can, but it's not impressive. Hagoromo's "Creation of All Things" had to still use something else in order to change it. He never created something from nothing.

Hagormoo's creations of all things of things had Yang release and jyubi chakra (senjutsu) as well to create 9 powerful biju where as Sasuke did not.
What makes Sasuke stand out from the rest of the Uchihas is that his illusion of Sasuke was seen by Sakura in the real world with real time.
Madara not only needed a supplementary to fuel his genjutsu capabilities to change the world that him and obito stood in.
Itachi himself, his tsukuyomi brings the individual away from the real world into his own world that creates a different time structure that madara was unable to do with Gedo genjutsu.
Obito and Tobi already warps you into another world where genjutsus become visible for you to see, he can't broadcast that into the real world like Sasuke did to Sakura.

99% of the genjutsu in the manga work in exactly the same way, because 99% of the genjutsu in the manga are sharingan genjutsu.

The others use a "medium" as the form of getting within the 5 senses. The sharingan needs to be seen to work, and Kurenai's flower petals or whatever else need to be seen just the same.

Susano'o is the prime example of Yin release creating a lifeless shell, not this.

The sharingan does not the same as anyother genjutsu. Their are different types of genjutsu that work different functions. For one you should know this.

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sharingan genjutsu are able to decieve the perception of time, environment, and even space depending on the level of the caster. For other non-ocular genjutsus, they are incapable of dragging you to that space or even using non tools to place in a limited genjutsu can that only preform what they are capable of in the real world to a certain extent.

As for Susanoo, it is not Yin release you're not even making any sense with this theory. Because unlike the image sasuke that he used to stab sakura, susanoo is a tangible structure of chakra that has little or nothing to do with mental energy. Susanoo is physical and it is chakra of the individual, it was never even stated in the manga databook to be a yin release technique.

The anime made him look like a glow in the dark toy. ¬_______¬

Do you prefer me to put the manga one then?

 

[Jiren]

I think it's out of pity. Anime had her block sticks instead of being saved by kakashit

I might be wrong but ibthink the manga version even had a little blood

 

[Holy God]

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All I see are movement lines which support my side. Do you think that just because we never saw Naruto jump at Kaguya that he teleported or something?

No she wouldn't. Since when does mental energy directly give you physical damage? You need physical energy to deliver physical damage.

You're saying Sasuke projected some sort of clone that can put you in genjutsu when it touches you? That's beyond the story's logic.

He did not. And using gedo mazou as support is something anyone can easily do. Hook that thing to Shisui, Itachi, Tobi, and Sasuke and everyone dies.

He did not what? His genjutsu was the most superior we've seen besides Infinite Tsukuyomi, regardless of the fact he used the Demonic Statue. It surpasses what Sasuke could do with his eyes alone and Madara still could not make his illusions reality.

What makes Sasuke stand out from the rest of the Uchihas is that his illusion of Sasuke was seen by Sakura in the real world with real time.

That's the problem with your idea. There's literally zero evidence to support Sakura seeing it in the reality. Just because the scenery is the same (like Itachi has done), does not mean it is real.

Madara not only needed a supplementary to fuel his genjutsu capabilities to change the world that him and obito stood in.
Itachi himself, his tsukuyomi brings the individual away from the real world into his own world that creates a different time structure that madara was unable to do with Gedo genjutsu.
Obito and Tobi already warps you into another world where genjutsus become visible for you to see, he can't broadcast that into the real world like Sasuke did to Sakura.

In Madara's own words, he is able to drag others into his own world. Madara was using a limited Infinite Tsukuyomi as he stated he would cast the same technique on the moon in order to bring others into it. Him explaining that he could create anything, no matter how defined, is a testament to the Demonic Statue's power and that is beyond regular genjutsu. It's completely doubtful that he'd be unable to slow time as well.