A wise honest arab muslim man tells muslims the truth about themselves

[3rd Raikage]

These are the muslims we should empower and praise. Does anyone know that is this guy even alive anymore?

"It is the spirit of a herd that cannot free itself from the captivity of the prevailing culture".

"Over the centuries arabs believed - and continue to believe - that they have sufficient knowledge and wisdom and that they do not need to learn anything from others, because they appeared in a stage of history in order to conquer not to learn, in order to teach not to study. And this delusion has continued to this day"

"The truth is arabs have nothing to offer to others yet they persist on believing they're perfect and that others must learn from them"

This guy just summarised the reason why out of all ethnicities muslims aren't integrating into european countries.
I really like this guy and I think if most of the religious leaders and muslims in general would have his mindset we would have much less racism and problems with integration. No one could be a racist towards this guy!

Also another video from yet another awesome muslim thinkers:

"These fatwas have ripped our countries apart"
"How can only islamic nations find it difficult to understand it's heritage and religious texts"

Dashti also gives an example of a contradicting passages:

"Whoever kills a soul unless for another soul it is as if he had killed all of mankind..."
the verse immediately follows:
"...the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and his messenger they be killed or crucified or their hands and feed be cut on alternate sides"

He asserts that the problem is that Koran contains good and evil at the same time which is a problem.

He also says that the moderate scholars have something in common with ISIS: they share the fundamental and ideological means like implementation of sharia and the desire for an Islamic state.

He thinks muslims should separate religion from public life:

"Every person should be free to understand his religion as he sees fit and he be free to change his religion

What do the muslims of the base think about these videos? Why aren't we hearing of the likes of them more often?
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[BLAZE]

inb4 Wahhabi's kill him :lol

 

[Conspirator.]

inb4 Wahhabi's kill Hawker :lol

Agreed man. :bdpf:

OT: Yes, the first step to solving a problem is to acknowledge that it exists. Solutions to extremism in any ideology lie from within, not from without.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Agreed man. :bdpf:

.:lol

I remember watching the first one almost a year back. They all need to get their act together...

 

[BLAZE]

Agreed man. :bdpf:

This always happens in Arabia.
A guy talks about reform and wahhabi's hang him.If he is shia then its icing on cake
Terroorist Group like Isis rises based on ideolgy of these same wahhabi's then these people claims it has nothing to do with Islam and everything is west fault.

West: They just hanged a guy man whats the problem until they are pumping us with cheap oil :lol

There are problem in every religion and you need to address it not hang whoever says dude what you have been doing is wrong

Edit: OP is that clown Hawker isn't he

 

[Avani]

These Muslims would have more chances if the Western powers didn't empower the fundamentalists more... West likes to sell arms and radicals buy more.

 

[3rd Raikage]

These Muslims would have more chances if the Western powers didn't empower the fundamentalists more... West likes to sell arms and radicals buy more.

Which is also true. But we aren't just talking about Saudi-Arabia or Syria. Why aren't the likes of these reformists being heard in other muslim countries that the west don't have an agenda with such as Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Pakistan and Bangladesh for example. I would suppose there are other muslims like the ones in these videos in other countries as well.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Aww man, I was waiting for someone to flip the table

 

[Avani]

everything is west fault.

Not everything but sure as hell they used the situation for their personal benefit and in the process allied with radical warlords and made everything worse.

To think Wahabi's at one time were fighting British/Western powers and then both decided to join hands and share the goodies.

Which is also true. But we aren't just talking about Saudi-Arabia or Syria. Why aren't the likes of these reformists being heard in other muslim countries that the west don't have an agenda with such as Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Pakistan and Bangladesh for example. I would suppose there are other muslims like the ones in these videos in other countries as well.

West don't have an agenda in Pakistan/Bangladesh? lol It's never leaving the region called Pakistan alone- not that easily. Pick the map and study the geography. Why do you think it gave arms to War lords in Afghanistan? What did it achieve?

Do you think US helped in creation of Al Qaida as a charity?

 

[3rd Raikage]

Not everything but sure as hell they used the situation for their personal benefit and in the process allied with radical warlords and made everything worse.

To think Wahabi's at one time were fighting British/Western powers and then both decided to join hands and share the goodies.

West don't have an agenda in Pakistan/Bangladesh? lol It's never leaving the region called Pakistan alone. Pick the map and study the geography. Why do you think it gave arms to War lords in Afghanistan? What did it achieve?

Do you think US helped in creation of Al Qaida as a charity?

I would like to point out that United States =//= West. I'm not going to focus on the american agenda any more than that. I agree U.S has meddled in to the affairs of a few muslim countries too much, but that doesn't explain the question that this thread proposes: "why are there so few muslim reformist coming out in public in the muslim world". Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi-Arabia..these are just few countries out of many muslim majority countries. It's the same problem everywhere.

 

[Wabbit]

Most Muslims would love to see infidels die. People want their religion to dominate. Do you see Christians stopping their missionaries?

 

[BLAZE]

Not everything but sure as hell they used the situation for their personal benefit and in the process allied with radical warlords and made everything worse.

To think Wahabi's at one time were fighting British/Western powers and then both decided to join hands and share the goodies.

yeah i agree there

 

[Avani]

I would like to point out that United States =//= West. I'm not going to focus on the american agenda any more than that. I agree U.S has meddled in to the affairs of a few muslim countries too much, but that doesn't explain the question that this thread proposes: "why are there so few muslim reformist coming out in public in the muslim world". Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi-Arabia..these are just few countries out of many muslim majority countries. It's the same problem everywhere.

War zone. India had many Muslims reformists and moderates for a while. The problem I see here today is rising fundamentalism as a result of the tension spilling out from these war zones ...

The rise of Al Quaida in Afghanistan was not bad just for Afghanistan but for the whole region. We started to feel the heat of terrorism from outside in 80s and early 90s it became worse.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

It's believed that Muslims committed intellectual suicide in the 9th or 10th century.

 

[YowYan]

I've seen this video already quite a while back. It was broadcasted on an Egyptian news show, am I right?