[VS] Jiraiya with 3 men team Vs Pain(rematch)

[Haizaki]

This is beyond terrible. Also, It's crazy how you choose what you want to address.

Burden of proof doesn't work like that, buddy. I don't have to prove Kakashi can't do that because it's non-existent. That's like me saying to the opposing party they should prove ghosts don't exist, when ghost's existence is non-existence. The one who invents that claim (you) must justify it to be existent, which you haven't done so. The burden of proof is absolutely on you. Your whole reason Kakashi can do that is because he has the Sharingan and is stated it could control boss summons, due to the said Doujutsu, but that is a fallacy. You haven't establish what Kakashi's Genjutsu skills are, and your comeback will be him countering a basic Sharingan: Genjutsu from Obito, which doesn't justify your argumentation because of the skill requirement to control boss summons, which Kakashi, by feats, doesn't have. If you want to give Kakashi fanfic feats, you can do that in the fanfic section, but not a matchup where individuals discuss facts.

Read the damn scan of what Obito said and address this. 4th post or so you've ignored it

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, Tell me why Kakashi CANNOT. Once again, address this:

You're going to have to prove to me that Boss Summons are on such a level that Kakashi won't be able to put them in a Genjutsu when Kishi in the DB refers to the ability to control Manda as a "glimpse to the real Tailed beasts control". That's how you want to do it, then fine. Base Kakashi has the same Genjutsu skill as Sasuke in the DB3. Both have a 4 which is just one away from a 5. DB scores don't take into account the Sharingan and Sasuke with his 3T could control Manda let alone Kakashi with his MS

Only someone silly would deny feats and say "Obito wasn't going all out with his Genjutsu against Kakashi'' when both were fighting on an even level with Obito trying to kill him numerous times. Oh and explain to me why summons are on the level as tailed beasts since you keep making silly claims and demanding explanations for nothing.

Buddy, everybody knows that Genjutsu is a Genjutsu because of its name. Even an 8 year old knows. What you can't drill onto your head is the power and skill of Genjutsu behind every Genjutsu. According to your dumb logic, Sharingan: Genjutsu is just as powerful as Tsukuomi because they're Genjutsu. The last time I'm gonna say this: Genjutsu varies in power and skill. The Genjutsu toads used is light years more powerful than a Sharingan: Genjutsu used by the likes of Kakashi (fanfic in that), which dismantled Nagato's control over Pain, then a fodder Genjutsu by Kakashi will not suffice. Not like Kakashi can do Genjutsu on the level of an Uchiha to begin with. If you're not going to comprehend this, then I can't save you beyond this.

This is where I know you can't read to save your life. I thought I explained this thing properly. Jesus.

One Genjutsu being stronger than another is irrelevant here. Pain's summons have zero feats against Genjutsu. Even if you want to argue for the featless Paths against Genjutsu, the summons are a different case. Not to mention, the main point here is the fact that Genjutsu works on Pain...Not how powerful the Genjutsu is, the fact that it WORKS. I can agree the Paths can break out which I never even stated in the first place but summons breaking out is a harder process as shown in the Manga.

Ninjutsu doesn't work on Preta, it's completely useless. Regardless of how powerful the Ninjutsu is, it is useless because it doesn't work. Your argument from the beginning was going into the fact that Genjutsu doesn't work or Visual Genjutsu doesn't work. However I've proved your wrong so now you're resorting to strength when you have no feats of them being able to counter the Genjutsu. Danzo got caught in Sasuke's Genjutsu and then broke it. It was after he broke it he compared the effect to Itachi's. There's no such thing as how powerful when it comes to the initialization of the Genjutsu, the power is varied by the effect while you're caught. Even Itachi a powerful Genjutsu user got caught in Kurenai's Genjutsu but he could counter the effect once he got trapped. Your point here is they got caught because of how powerful the Genjutsu was but this is false. They got caught in the first place but power comes into play when they can't break it. B got caught and Hachibi broke him out after. Now it's no argument that they'll get caught but what you don't have is feats of them being able to counter. The summons. They have zero feats especially when theirs is the hardest to break out of. The Paths as well..the fact that you're trying to argue for the summons is a big joke. Kakashi could match an Uchiha skilled in Genjutsu but yet he's not on that level. Please. Get. Out. Of. Here. Sasuke could control Manda which Kishi referred to as a "glimpse" of tailed beast control. With a basic 3T despite him and Kakashi having the same Genjutsu score in Base level that doesn't take into account the sharingan. Kakashi has the MS, matched Obito in a Genjutsu and Obito stated with their eye techniques which Kakashi has, they could control tailed beasts let alone ordinary summons. You know what? This argument right here is plain silly because you have no point.

If you read this and you don't understand, then you 100% have a problem or you're just a funny type of debater.

First, your link doesn't work. Second, your refute is Argumentum ad populum which isn't a refute anyway. Nothing is disproved. Unless there is actually an official counter-argument that refuted the proposed translation, which is held official, then Rinnegan is immune to Ocular Genjutsu.

I told you to remove the stars and put narutoforums. If not then include www. before the narutoforums and .com after the narutoforums. Replace the stars with that and you'll see people confirming what I'm saying.

Dude. I would definitely not waste my time here. This is beyond useless. As long as I know it was shown to be fake and the user was exposed, I don't need to waste my time with this nonsense. Have things to do.

I don't care if you think Sasuke's Rinnegan design must have been the reason. It's a Rinnegan by name as stated in the manga and databook, therefore, an official statement. Nothing refutes official statement directed by the author. Any Rinnegan, whether Hagoromo's, Sasuke's or Momoshiki's is resistant to IT and by default resistant to a weak Sharingan: Genjutsu cast by Kakashi, whose best feat was knocking Anbu off-guard.

This is it..I love when you pick what you want to address and the Author never ever said that. So I'll do you a favor:

Now to actually address this point, Sasuke's Rinnegan wasn't what resisted IT but the Susano'o created from his eyes blocked it

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. Zetsu only questioned if his Rinnegan was able to repel it after also questioning if his Susano'o was blocking the light

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. He says here "WE" can't go out as long as it shines

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and in that same scan, Zetsu confirms he wasn't letting the light through. You have no point.

Your terms are false. It's not ''they'', it's ''he'' (Nagato) who sees and hears through the corpses. I don't have to reply to the rest of your wall of text, when all of it is contradicted by official information.

Dude you have no point. I've definitely countered your Genjutsu point. I've also sshown summons can also be countered by Jman's summons. Bye.

 

[Zexion~]

Kakashi not putting the summons under genjutsu during the Pain arc is questionable, and if he does it takes his focus off Kamui quite a bit. No one can counter CT or CST if Pain actually makes it a notion to halt said attempted counters.

 

[Edogawa]

Kakashi not putting the summons under genjutsu during the Pain arc is questionable, and if he does it takes his focus off Kamui quite a bit. No one can counter CT or CST if Pain actually makes it a notion to halt said attempted counters.

Haizaki is implying Kakashi could one-shot Pain himself with Sharingan: Genjutsu.

This is beyond terrible. Also, It's crazy how you choose what you want to address.

I don't have to address to everything in your post. You can write a 10,000 word essay, but if it doesn't answer the question, then it's invalid. If there are things I have not addressed, then they are invalid or addressed points. I don't have to constantly repeat myself.

Read the damn scan of what Obito said and address this. 4th post or so you've ignored it

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, Tell me why Kakashi CANNOT. Once again, address this:

Because Kakashi doesn't have the skills to put boss summons under Genjutsu, and that is added they are remotely controlled by Nagato. This answer makes every wall of text you wrote/write invalid.

Only someone silly would deny feats and say "Obito wasn't going all out with his Genjutsu against Kakashi'' when both were fighting on an even level with Obito trying to kill him numerous times. Oh and explain to me why summons are on the level as tailed beasts since you keep making silly claims and demanding explanations for nothing.

Now you're contradicting yourself. You said this:

''One Genjutsu being stronger than another is irrelevant here.'' - Haizaki

If Genjutsu's strength is irrelevant in comparison to another one, then there is no sense of Obito using his full-powered Genjutsu against Kakashi, because, according to you, no Genjutsu vary in strength. Try to be consistent with your argument, Haizaki. It's disgusting how someone is dishonest when it fits them.

I told you to remove the stars and put narutoforums. If not then include www. before the narutoforums and .com after the narutoforums. Replace the stars with that and you'll see people confirming what I'm saying.

I did that and its DNS address can't be found. By the way, if your argument on this that two members disputed each other and you believed whatever side, then that ain't gonna cut it out, I'ma afraid. Rinnegan's immunity to Visual Genjutsu is still official, whether you can swallow it or not.

Now to actually address this point, Sasuke's Rinnegan wasn't what resisted IT but the Susano'o created from his eyes blocked it

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. Zetsu only questioned if his Rinnegan was able to repel it after also questioning if his Susano'o was blocking the light

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. He says here "WE" can't go out as long as it shines

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and in that same scan, Zetsu confirms he wasn't letting the light through. You have no point.

Genius,

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. There is no differentiation between Sasuke's Rinnegan and standard Rinnegan, and both are considered same officially. Your fanfic theories hold no place. Rinnegan is resistant to the strongest Genjutsu and by default resistant to a fodder Genjutsu cast by Kakashi.

 

[Zexion~]

Haizaki is implying Kakashi could one-shot Pain himself with Sharingan: Genjutsu.

What am I saying, Rinnegan>Sharingan I highly doubt he can even put the summons under genjutsu hence why Itachi didn't even try despite having unlimited stamina, and the fact that Obito as well had to convince Nagato to join himself instead of placing him under genjutsu like Yagura.

 

[Edogawa]

What am I saying, Rinnegan>Sharingan I highly doubt he can even put the summons under genjutsu hence why Itachi didn't even try despite having unlimited stamina, and the fact that Obito as well had to convince Nagato to join himself instead of placing him under genjutsu like Yagura.

Exactly. That guy is pulling fanfic speculations out of nowhere and all of it is invalidated in the manga and databook.

 

[Haizaki]

Haizaki is implying Kakashi could one-shot Pain himself with Sharingan: Genjutsu.

I stated the summons and you went ahead to state the Rinnegan prevents Genjutsu which was something I went ahead to disprove. You on the other hand are trying to argue that Summons are the same as Pain in regards to the Genjutsu countering despite we seeing multiple times in the Manga that it took more to break summonings out of a Genjutsu.

Even the people I'm not debating against are reading better than you are. Pathetic.

I don't have to address to everything in your post. You can write a 10,000 word essay, but if it doesn't answer the question, then it's invalid. If there are things I have not addressed, then they are invalid or addressed points. I don't have to constantly repeat myself.

Uhmm I'm dropping reasonable points which you're ignoring in the process. This shows the type of debater you are. I'll take in that you're conceding to those point because you have no answers to them.

Because Kakashi doesn't have the skills to put boss summons under Genjutsu, and that is added they are remotely controlled by Nagato. This answer makes every wall of text you wrote/write invalid.

OH MY GOSH.

Are we serious right now? This is your reply? To this scan

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blatantly stating his eye techniques grant him the ability? This is your dumb reply? Address this and tell me why the scan exempts Kakashi despite him having the eye. You sound dumb to me.

Once again, I'm going to ask you to address this which you have refused to address for the how manieth time. Madera Rules type of debating:

You're going to have to prove to me that Boss Summons are on such a level that Kakashi won't be able to put them in a Genjutsu when Kishi in the DB refers to the ability to control Manda as a "glimpse to the real Tailed beasts control". That's how you want to do it, then fine. Base Kakashi has the same Genjutsu skill as Sasuke in the DB3. Both have a 4 which is just one away from a 5. DB scores don't take into account the Sharingan and Sasuke with his 3T could control Manda let alone Kakashi with his MS

Now you're contradicting yourself. You said this:

''One Genjutsu being stronger than another is irrelevant here.'' - Haizaki

If Genjutsu's strength is irrelevant in comparison to another one, then there is no sense of Obito using his full-powered Genjutsu against Kakashi, because, according to you, no Genjutsu vary in strength. Try to be consistent with your argument, Haizaki. It's disgusting how someone is dishonest when it fits them.

I'm not contradicting myself. You're either failing to read or you're just not reading properly, you're the one trying your hardest to say Obito wasn't going all out against Kakashi and that clearly has nothing to do with this. What a disgrace. The point that triggered this reply never contradicts what I said. It doesn't even refer to this particular point. Why would you disgrace yourself like this? If you decided to read, then maybe you won't have this issue but of course you're not that intelligent.

Listen you need to read this and you need to sit down and understand the process properly. Genjutsu varies in strength but the strength is only seen while in the Genjutsu, the strength isn't determined by it's ability to catch you in it, Not from what we know in the Manga:

Ninjutsu doesn't work on Preta, it's completely useless. Regardless of how powerful the Ninjutsu is, it is useless because it doesn't work. Your argument from the beginning was going into the fact that Genjutsu doesn't work or Visual Genjutsu doesn't work. However I've proved you wrong so now you're resorting to strength when you have no feats of them being able to counter the Genjutsu. Danzo got caught in Sasuke's Genjutsu and then broke it. It was after he broke it he compared the effect to Itachi's. There's no such thing as how powerful when it comes to the initialization of the Genjutsu, the power is varied by the effect while you're caught. Even Itachi a powerful Genjutsu user got caught in Kurenai's Genjutsu but he could counter the effect once he got trapped. Your point here is they got caught because of how powerful the Genjutsu was but this is false. They got caught in the first place but power comes into play when they can't break it. B got caught and Hachibi broke him out after. Now it's no argument that they'll get caught but what you don't have is feats of them being able to counter. The summons. They have zero feats especially when theirs is the hardest to break out of. The Paths as well..the fact that you're trying to argue for the summons is a big joke. Kakashi could match an Uchiha skilled in Genjutsu but yet he's not on that level. Please. Get. Out. Of. Here. Sasuke could control Manda which Kishi referred to as a "glimpse" of tailed beast control. With a basic 3T despite him and Kakashi having the same Genjutsu score in Base level that doesn't take into account the sharingan. Kakashi has the MS, matched Obito in a Genjutsu and Obito stated with their eye techniques which Kakashi has, they could control tailed beasts let alone ordinary summons. You know what? This argument right here is plain silly because you have no point.

Now if you still fail to understand the difference between the start and the effect while in it, then you're just and ignorant individual which isn't surprising. I'm going to tell you this, Itachi could be caught in Kurenai's Genjutsu which wasn't a problem for him to break out or counter. The main point is the fact that he was caught. Does that make it on a different level? Hell no because the effect did nothing but he was caught. Matter of fact, he broke the actual effect but he was still put in it from the start. Danzo too was caught and when he encountered the effect, the could he compare it to Itachi's Jutsu Genjutsu's strength comes in to play with the effects. Not when he was hit at the start. I have explained this is many times but you're not intelligent to understand. Damn.

I did that and its DNS address can't be found. By the way, if your argument on this that two members disputed each other and you believed whatever side, then that ain't gonna cut it out, I'ma afraid. Rinnegan's immunity to Visual Genjutsu is still official, whether you can swallow it or not.

Lmao MadaraRules style of debating. You know what, I want to see the source, I want to know the translator and I want to know what qualified him well enough to translate that scan. I would love to speak to him in person and I want to see the site or wherever you got it from. If you're failing to she this thing is vividly clear but then want to argue that it's a real translation despite it being fake them no problem.

Genius,

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. There is no differentiation between Sasuke's Rinnegan and standard Rinnegan, and both are considered same officially. Your fanfic theories hold no place. Rinnegan is resistant to the strongest Genjutsu and by default resistant to a fodder Genjutsu cast by Kakashi.

Wait what? His Susano'o blocked the light but that doesn't mean if his eyes saw the light, it would automatically be immune to it, that's not an explanation for it. This is your argument for the Nagato's summons? Hilarious. Sasuke with his Rinnegan said "WE" can't go outside as long as it shines

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So unless you explain to me what that "WE" was for or how this point helps other like the summons(lol), to counter such, you have no point again.

 

[Zexion~]

Wait what? His Susano'o blocked the light but that doesn't mean if his eyes saw the light, it would automatically be immune to it, that's not an explanation for it. This is your argument for the Nagato's summons? Hilarious. Sasuke with his Rinnegan said "WE" can't go outside as long as it shines

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So unless you explain to me what that "WE" was for or how this point helps other like the summons(lol), to counter such, you have no point again.

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The fact that Rinnegan can dispell a genjutsu created by another Rinnegan means that it probably can dispel any genjutsu created by the WEAKER sharingan. You should stop arguing genjutsu and argue a different route as its still a debatable match here.

 

[Haizaki]

^^Shouldn't be responding to you but I'll just address this shaky point. You need to read. "A Genjutsu created by a Rinnegan can probably be canceled by another Rinnegan" That in no way translates into the counters you people are arguing here. Not to mention read,

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It required both Sasuke and Naruto to cancel it. Both the Rinnegan and the tailed beast chakra as stated in that scan because you people never read the scans anyways. Once again, no.

Next time read the entire debate before jumping in. I argued saying Jman counters summons and he felt he needed to drag on. Not that I need your clarifications anyways.

 

[Lawlermelon]

Tsunade loves Dan

Loved. Key word is loved. Jiraiya was her **** after him. She just wouldn't admit it ***** *****.

 

[Kakashistomps]

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The fact that Rinnegan can dispell a genjutsu created by another Rinnegan means that it probably can dispel any genjutsu created by the WEAKER sharingan. You should stop arguing genjutsu and argue a different route as its still a debatable match here.

Tell us ur opinion who wins?how they win?

 

[Zexion~]

^^Shouldn't be responding to you but I'll just address this shaky point. You need to read. "A Genjutsu created by a Rinnegan can probably be canceled by another Rinnegan" That in no way translates into the counters you people are arguing here. Not to mention read,

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It required both Sasuke and Naruto to cancel it. Both the Rinnegan and the tailed beast chakra as stated in that scan because you people never read the scans anyways. Once again, no.

Next time read the entire debate before jumping in. I argued saying Jman counters summons and he felt he needed to drag on. Not that I need your clarifications anyways.

Nah If I see trash points I will then correct said trash points, assumptions in the manga are still better than any half assed assumption you'll make and I'll always take Sasuke's opinion over yours :lol

That scan you showed me means nothing, except further cementing the fact that Rinnegan shits on genjutsu as said by the sage himself, why you're comparing IT with 3T genjutsu is beyond me lmaooo

Tell us ur opinion who wins?how they win?

Pain most likely, especially since this is only 5 gates guy :lol only problem is Jiraiya's toad seal as it counters CST, and CT is countered via Kamui. However Pain knows Jiraiya's jutsu and will take care of him first. I could be swayed other way though, especially since this is Pain not Nagato.

 

[Haizaki]

^^You're beyond a joke.

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It required BOTH the tailed beasts chakra from Naruto and Sasuke's Rinnegan as stated in that scan by Hagoromo himself. Nowhere was it stated that Sasuke alone with the Rinnegan can end it by himself especially when it was outright shown to us. Read the Manga before talking trash. Lmao quit quoting me. Oh and nobody is comparing here except you silly users trying to use a false IT counter as a reason to why all Genjutsu techniques are useless against Pain's summons despite the paths themselves showing vulnerability to one. I'm not explaining anything to anyone here again.

 

[Edogawa]

Uhmm I'm dropping reasonable points which you're ignoring in the process. This shows the type of debater you are. I'll take in that you're conceding to those point because you have no answers to them.

It's a an agree to disagree discussion, not a debate. Now if it was a debate, I would school you because I've participated debates in politics and businesses in university. Don't get ahead of yourself, and I didn't concede. :lol I have better things to do than continuing hilarious talk with you.

 

[Zexion~]

^^You're beyond a joke.

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It required BOTH the tailed beasts chakra from Naruto and Sasuke's Rinnegan as stated in that scan by Hagoromo himself. Nowhere was it stated that Sasuke alone with the Rinnegan can end it by himself especially when it was outright shown to us. Read the Manga before talking trash. Lmao quit quoting me. Oh and nobody is comparing here except you silly users trying to use a false IT counter as a reason to why all Genjutsu techniques are useless against Pain's summons despite the paths themselves showing vulnerability to one. I'm not explaining anything to anyone here again.

Bruh, THE RINNEGAN IS STILL NEEDED TO DISPEL THE GENJUTSU

Don't repeat trash and try to make it anything but trash :lol

-Sasuke stated Rinnegan can dispell Rinnegan genjutsu which is >>>> Sharingan Genjutsu
-IT (Strongest genjutsu if not technique in the manga) also required tailed beast chakra to remove but Hagaromo still stated that RINNEGAN IS A COMPONENT TO DISPEL IT

You're deadass ridiculous lmfaooo just have a debate with someone don't start talking shit because ya ass still salty with that preppy ass "no quoting" shit like ya better than me take your own advice and realize its a forum

 

[Haizaki]

It's a an agree to disagree discussion, not a debate. Now if it was a debate, I would school you because I've participated debates in politics and businesses in university. Don't get ahead of yourself, and I didn't concede. :lol I have better things to do than continuing hilarious talk with you.

LmFao you're joking. You didn't type this....This is none of my business. I know people who have participated in multiple debates but yet don't top our classes or don't even come close. I know people who have gone for debates and yet still lose to others. This has nothing to do when comparing one's actual intelligence level with another just because you participate in them. High school talk and I'm way past that level. I don't partake in debates because I do not need to, when you can write a research proposal that's Master's level and then be among the best in they year, maybe you can come and boast to me if I'll listen to this joke. Oh and this isn't business or politics. It's a Manga topic. Pathetic.

Listen, I don't care about this rubbish. I concede to anyone if I know they're right and I did some days ago in the Gaara thread. I don't have to clarify that I have done this or I can school them if I want to. You young kids need to learn some basic things.

Bruh, THE RINNEGAN IS STILL NEEDED TO DISPEL THE GENJUTSU

Don't repeat trash and try to make it anything but trash :lol

-Sasuke stated Rinnegan can dispell Rinnegan genjutsu which is >>>> Sharingan Genjutsu
-IT (Strongest genjutsu if not technique in the manga) also required tailed beast chakra to remove but Hagaromo still stated that RINNEGAN IS A COMPONENT TO DISPEL IT

You're deadass ridiculous lmfaooo just have a debate with someone don't start talking shit because ya ass still salty with that preppy ass "no quoting" shit like ya better than me take your own advice and realize its a forum

Lmao this dummy never ceases to amaze me. I keep saying that you're definitely top 5 when it comes to NB all time dullest kids.

- Sasuke said it "probably" can which was further corrected later on in the Manga by Hagoromo that stated it took the combination of both to tie the spell's roots in order to break it. Read.

- Tailed beast chakra was also a component so by your incredibly stupid logic, it automatically should break any other Genjutsu because the other component could do so, when we know Tailed beasts chakra doesn't automatically break other forms of Genjutsu. Now you have nothing suggesting so when it took both Sasuke and Naruto to completely break it which never ever suggests the Rinnegan by itself can break others. Not at least Nagato's summons. What's worse is Pain with the Rinnegan got trapped in Ma and Pa's Genjutsu let alone his summons

Now by your logic, because both are components, when they are made separate, they individually should be able to break any other Genjutsu because the combination of 2 can break the strongest Genjutsu even when they were just needed to tie the spell's roots and we fully know tailed beasts chakra doesn't help one break Genjutsu on its own. Jesus Christ what an incredibly dull child. I'm surely done with this kid.

 

[Zexion~]

LmFao you're joking. You didn't type this....This is none of my business. I know people who have participated in multiple debates but yet don't top our classes or don't even come close. I know people who have gone for debates and yet still lose to others. This has nothing to do when comparing one's actual intelligence level with another just because you participate in them. High school talk and I'm way past that level. I don't partake in debates because I do not need to, when you can write a research proposal that's Master's level and then be among the best in they year, maybe you can come and boast to me if I'll listen to this joke. Oh and this isn't business or politics. It's a Manga topic. Pathetic.

Listen, I don't care about this rubbish. I concede to anyone if I know they're right and I did some days ago in the Gaara thread. I don't have to clarify that I have done this or I can school them if I want to. You young kids need to learn some basic things.



Lmao this dummy never ceases to amaze me. I keep saying that you're definitely top 5 when it comes to NB all time dullest kids.

- Sasuke said it "probably" can which was further corrected later on in the Manga by Hagoromo that stated it took the combination of both to tie the spell's roots in order to break it. Read.

- Tailed beast chakra was also a component so by your incredibly stupid logic, it automatically should break any other Genjutsu because the other component could do so, when we know Tailed beasts chakra doesn't automatically break other forms of Genjutsu. Now you have nothing suggesting so when it took both Sasuke and Naruto to completely break it which never ever suggests the Rinnegan by itself can break others. Not at least Nagato's summons.

Now by your logic, because both are components, when they are made separate, they individually should be able to break any other Genjutsu because the combination of 2 can break the strongest Genjutsu even when they were just needed to tie the spell's roots and we fully know tailed beasts chakra doesn't help one break Genjutsu on its own. What's worse is Pain with the Rinnegan got trapped in Ma and Pa's Genjutsu let alone his summons. Jesus Christ what an incredibly dull child. I'm surely done with this kid.

Don't compare audible genjutsu to visual :lol Nagato has Uchiha eyes which in-itself should end any of your genjutsu argument. But what you said still doesn't make sense

-Sasuke said it probably does and than Hagaromo stated that it in fact does, just because something else is also needed doesn't make Sasuke wrong

-If you think about it logically the tailed beast chakra probably simply amplified Sasuke's rinnegan to break the genjutsu, its not simply a coincidence that his rinnegan created Susano'o also resisted the genjutsu as was stated above

You literally aren't making arguments at this point, the only new thing you stated that wasn't OLD garbage was the sound genjutsu however its in a completely different category than 3T VISUAL genjutsu


Kinda funny how you're the one always criticizing others for taking this shit too seriously yet you're the one who responds wall after wall of nothing but uneeded insults because ya sensative ass can't handle a forum :lol you're literally the embodiment of everything that became wrong with the VS Section my man

 

[Haizaki]

Don't compare audible genjutsu to visual :lol Nagato has Uchiha eyes which in-itself should end any of your genjutsu argument. But what you said still doesn't make sense

-Sasuke said it probably does and than Hagaromo stated that it in fact does, just because something else is also needed doesn't make Sasuke wrong

-If you think about it logically the tailed beast chakra probably simply amplified Sasuke's rinnegan to break the genjutsu, its not simply a coincidence that his rinnegan created Susano'o also resisted the genjutsu as was stated above

You literally aren't making arguments at this point, the only new thing you stated that wasn't OLD garbage was the sound genjutsu however its in a completely different category than 3T VISUAL genjutsu


Kinda funny how you're the one always criticizing others for taking this shit too seriously yet you're the one who responds wall after wall of nothing but uneeded insults because ya sensative ass can't handle a forum :lol you're literally the embodiment of everything that became wrong with the VS Section my man

Not going to bother breaking Genjutsu down for this moron,. Already did in this thread which could not be addressed because I vivivdly addressed the nonsense "sound Genjutsu" and Visual point. Ask the others following the thread or you can read it yourself. Oh right, forgot you're illiterate. This post right here is full of ridiculous assumptions that's not backed up. "Maybe it was amplified" G.T.F.O.H and explain why this gives both an a reason individually. You can't because there's none. Susano'o blocked the light but Sasuke said "We" cannot go outside as long as the light shines. Sasuke made that statement of the Rinnegan "probably" being able to cancel when the light stopped shining. "Just because"? Not interested. "Maybe" Also not interested. These are assumptions not backed up. I can't accept this rubbish style of debating which you're fund of pulling.

Lmao Zexion. Sensitive? Forum caring? Says the guy in my VM'S and PM's every time. Says the dude who tried to tell FT about his own persona. Say the dude always monitoring conversations. Says the dude always trying to talk to me. Says the dude who's worried/talking about my relationship with KidGamer, FT, Draegod, Ice and God knows who else.. Not interested, I completely forgot about this irrelevant dude. Quit trying to speak/quote me which your dumb points.

 

[Zexion~]

Not going to bother breaking Genjutsu down for this moron,. Already did in this thread which could not be addressed because I vivivdly addressed the nonsense "sound Genjutsu" and Visual point. Ask the others following the thread or you can read it yourself. Oh right, forgot you're illiterate. This post right here is full of ridiculous assumptions that's not backed up. "Maybe it was amplified" G.T.F.O.H and explain why this gives both an a reason individually. You can't because there's none. Susano'o blocked the light but Sasuke said "We" cannot go outside as long as the light shines. Sasuke made that statement of the Rinnegan "probably" being able to cancel when the light stopped shining. "Just because"? Not interested. "Maybe" Also not interested. These are assumptions not backed up. I can't accept this rubbish style of debating which you're fund of pulling.

Lmao Zexion. Sensitive? Forum caring? Says the guy in my VM'S and PM's every time. Says the dude who tried to tell FT about his own persona. Say the dude always monitoring conversations. Says the dude always trying to talk to me. Says the dude who's worried/talking about my relationship with KidGamer, FT, Draegod, Ice and God knows who else.. Not interested, I completely forgot about this irrelevant dude. Quit trying to speak/quote me which your dumb points.

Lol yeah ya got me heated once but i'm not going to argue with you again, all I'm saying is that it gets old coming into a thread and seeing you absolutely shit on someone in a non normal debate way just because they disagree with you :lol and I'm sure alot of other people agree with this, insults to a point are fine (note KG, FT , Ice) but you just take this shit too seriously and too far lol


Also you can deny it all you want Rinnegan is > Sharingan , would you say 3T genjutsu works on the MS jesus christ why this point is taking you so long to comprehend is ridiculous nvm the entire IT thing.

 

[Edogawa]

I don't partake in debates because I do not need to, when you can write a research proposal that's Master's level and then be among the best in they year, maybe you can come and boast to me if I'll listen to this joke. Oh and this isn't business or politics. It's a Manga topic. Pathetic.

You pursue Masters? With that kind of intelligence and childish behaviour, you're clearly not studying Masters. You wouldn't even get accepted to university. You would only get accepted to a community college and for majors like arts. And the irony of this part:

''Listen, I don't care about this rubbish. I concede to anyone if I know they're right and I did some days ago in the Gaara thread. I don't have to clarify that I have done this or I can school them if I want to. You young kids need to learn some basic things.''

You were moaning with wall of text in a cartoon discussion and everybody can see your butthurt. You don't study Masters, and you behave like a kid; neither of these qualities constitute a Masters student, so don't lie to yourself.

 

[Zexion~]

You pursue Masters? With that kind of intelligence and childish behaviour, you're clearly not studying Masters. You wouldn't even get accepted to university. You would only get accepted to a community college and for majors like arts. And the irony of this part:

''Listen, I don't care about this rubbish. I concede to anyone if I know they're right and I did some days ago in the Gaara thread. I don't have to clarify that I have done this or I can school them if I want to. You young kids need to learn some basic things.''

You were moaning with wall of text in a cartoon discussion and everybody can see your butthurt. You don't study Masters, and you behave like a kid; neither of these qualities constitute a Masters student, so don't lie to yourself.

Lmaoooo oh man not his life's work bro don't do it.