[Discussion] How strong is magellan ?

[MasqueradeNX]

Magellan is a powerhouse and i think he would put up a fight with most if not all warlords and low admiral/yonko level.

 

[Love Cook]

Goes both ways bud. If Magellan was portrayed superior to Ivankov pre timeskip, nothing changes post timeskip unless Ivankov trained real hard. Moot points.

@Devia Puri
All Ivankov had to do was buy some time, and yet he couldn't even manage to buy more than a few minutes. Magellan made Ivankov his bitch

Omg man, can you just for once read and understand what I'm saying. Just coming in a thread and spouting your nonsense is not the best tactic to convince me of your argument.

I'll do it step by step, with numbers this time.

1) Ivankov, Jimbei, Croc, Luffy and many others are on the run for Magellan
2) Magellan has a tricky ability that prevents people from touching him
3) Because Rayleigh didn't give us the haki rundown yet, Oda restricted a lot of top tier fighters by not being able to use haki to full extent.
4) My question in this thread is, CoA will obviously enable to touch Magellan, but how does the haki affect the poison ? Will it guard you or will the poison hurt you
5) Obviously after timeskip people like Ivankov, Jimbei, Croc, Luffy and many others 'gained' haki (since the audience now knows what it is) Magellan will be at a huge disadvantage if they can just fight him without worrying about the poison.

That is similar to fighting croc with water and Enel with rubber.

And that is the power boost you're not reading into, so Ivankov and Jimbei didn't really need to train super hard, when Oda just pretty much gave them haki.

And there comes the parallel with the Vice-admirals, 6) before the timeskip they were superior with rokushiki, df abilities and basic forms of (unexplained) haki who were outclassing pretty much everyone except the top tier. After the timeskip Luffy and Law and others don't have to run from them anymore.

So what I'm saying is that Ivankov didn't necessarily needed to get stronger in order to beat Magellan (or Smoker) because his rank/position/strength devalued over time skip.

 

[ToshiZO]

Omg man, can you just for once read and understand what I'm saying. Just coming in a thread and spouting your nonsense is not the best tactic to convince me of your argument.

I'll do it step by step, with numbers this time.

1) Ivankov, Jimbei, Croc, Luffy and many others are on the run for Magellan
2) Magellan has a tricky ability that prevents people from touching him
3) Because Rayleigh didn't give us the haki rundown yet, Oda restricted a lot of top tier fighters by not being able to use haki to full extent.
4) My question in this thread is, CoA will obviously enable to touch Magellan, but how does the haki affect the poison ? Will it guard you or will the poison hurt you
5) Obviously after timeskip people like Ivankov, Jimbei, Croc, Luffy and many others 'gained' haki (since the audience now knows what it is) Magellan will be at a huge disadvantage if they can just fight him without worrying about the poison.

That is similar to fighting croc with water and Enel with rubber.

And that is the power boost you're not reading into, so Ivankov and Jimbei didn't really need to train super hard, when Oda just pretty much gave them haki.

And there comes the parallel with the Vice-admirals, 6) before the timeskip they were superior with rokushiki, df abilities and basic forms of (unexplained) haki who were outclassing pretty much everyone except the top tier. After the timeskip Luffy and Law and others don't have to run from them anymore.

So what I'm saying is that Ivankov didn't necessarily needed to get stronger in order to beat Magellan (or Smoker) because his rank/position/strength devalued over time skip.

None of this is relevant.

Its not that hard to understand, the reason Law and Luffy don't need to run from Vice Admirals anymore is because they are 10 times stronger than they were pre timeskip. Vice Admirals were 10 times stronger than Law and Luffy in the past. It's really that simple.

Ivankov and Jimbei did not go through the growth those 2 did, there is no reason for anything to change regarding how they were portrayed against Magellan.

If Ivankov was meant to be on Magellans level, he would be pre timeskip. Simple as that. The author Oda, made sure we knew there was a gap between Ivankov and Magellan, and unless Ivankov or Magellan changed drastically in power, that gap remains the same, the introduction of haki, awakening etc. changes nothing.

 

[Love Cook]

the introduction of haki, awakening etc. changes nothing.

Cool tell that to Luffy next time he is fighting a logia user

You're such a turd Toshi, I don't know if it's all an act to be super edgy and want to constantly have a different opinion and piss against the wind.

But we can agree to disagree but you're still wrong. You can brush it off as irrelevant without stating a reason, that doesn't make it a good argument.

Let me ask you this then:

What would happen in the scenario 2:

scenario 1)

Luffy fights Magellan at Impel Down, he risks his health in order to land punches which eventually gets him nearly killed, In the rematch he uses candle wax as a shield in order to hit Magellan.

scenario 2) now lets reset the Impel Down arc, we have part 1 Luffy with Gear 2 and 3 and we give him CoA but his strength is still from pre skip.

How do you think the fight would go would Luffy have it easier against Magellan ?

If yes, Magellan's power devalued by the introduction of haki, without Luffy getting notably stronger, it's just the plot moving forward, and the top tiers all receiving the haki boost.

If no, you're lying to yourself.

 

[ToshiZO]

Didn't even read your post past tell that to Luffy.

Dawg......Luffy is 10 times stronger than he was pre timeskip. Rayleigh was introduced pre haki era too, did he look like an inferior to a Logia Admiral let alone just any other logia?

No because the author intended Rayleigh to be that strong, the era is irrelevant. Ivankov was not supposed to be on Magellan's level because he wasn't, it has nothing to do with era.

Miss me with your bs argument.

 

[Love Cook]

Didn't even read your post past tell that to Luffy.
.

If you don't read you should shut the **** up

the last two replies coming of you were:

1) That is all irrelevant, without explaination
2) I didn't read

You're out.

If you don't understand, or if you just don't have any good arguments just stay out of the discussion. You add nothing.

 

[ToshiZO]

You're mad annoying. Always turn such a simple point into some clusterfuck.

I made a mistake quoting you.

 

[Love Cook]

You're mad annoying. Always turn such a simple point into some clusterfuck.

I made a mistake quoting you.

You made the mistake having no argument and quoting me. But at least we can agree this time that it was your mistake.

 

[ToshiZO]

You're one of those guys that often write a lot but it's a whole lot of nothing. If someone were to skim by they might get the impression that you're actually saying something, but when you sit down and actually read the post, nothing is being said lmfao. It's filler talk.

Been doin it since 13 guaranteed, probably been doin it since 09, congrats haha.

 

[Love Cook]

You're one of those guys that often write a lot but it's a whole lot of nothing. If someone were to skim by they might get the impression that you're actually saying something, but when you sit down and actually read the post, nothing is being said lmfao. It's filler talk.

Been doin it since 13 guaranteed, probably been doin it since 09, congrats haha.

Writing a whole lot of nothing got me a masters degree in urban engineering, so it apparently has been working for me.

But as you can see in this thread, I've not written a whole lot of nothing. You just ignore the point completely, and this was the 4th time you did that.

So while I write a lot which sometimes can be brushed off as 'nothing' , you write nothing in the first place. Better start writing too.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Omg man, can you just for once read and understand what I'm saying. Just coming in a thread and spouting your nonsense is not the best tactic to convince me of your argument.

I'll do it step by step, with numbers this time.

1) Ivankov, Jimbei, Croc, Luffy and many others are on the run for Magellan
2) Magellan has a tricky ability that prevents people from touching him
3) Because Rayleigh didn't give us the haki rundown yet, Oda restricted a lot of top tier fighters by not being able to use haki to full extent.
4) My question in this thread is, CoA will obviously enable to touch Magellan, but how does the haki affect the poison ? Will it guard you or will the poison hurt you
5) Obviously after timeskip people like Ivankov, Jimbei, Croc, Luffy and many others 'gained' haki (since the audience now knows what it is) Magellan will be at a huge disadvantage if they can just fight him without worrying about the poison.
That is similar to fighting croc with water and Enel with rubber.

And that is the power boost you're not reading into, so Ivankov and Jimbei didn't really need to train super hard, when Oda just pretty much gave them haki.

And there comes the parallel with the Vice-admirals, 6) before the timeskip they were superior with rokushiki, df abilities and basic forms of (unexplained) haki who were outclassing pretty much everyone except the top tier. After the timeskip Luffy and Law and others don't have to run from them anymore.

So what I'm saying is that Ivankov didn't necessarily needed to get stronger in order to beat Magellan (or Smoker) because his rank/position/strength devalued over time skip.

It's easy to assume when you give your side the benefit of the doubt and not the opposition. Why do you think they'd get it and not Magellan too? Magellan just suffered a loss he would want/need to get stronger.

Also to point 4; It's only my guess but I think the haki will just decrease the effect of the poison not completely nullify it.

 

[MickNerks]

All Ivankov had to do was buy some time, and yet he couldn't even manage to buy more than a few minutes. Magellan made Ivankov his bitch

Megellan didnt make Ivankov his *****.. Considering Ivankov's is the ONLY person to take Megellan's poison head on and still get up afterwards as if nothing happen

The people Megellan bi***ed were:

Blackbeard Pirates
Luffy
Impel Down Prisoners


They all were left helpless after clashing with Megellan, but Ivankov shrugged it off.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Cool tell that to Luffy next time he is fighting a logia user

You're such a turd Toshi, I don't know if it's all an act to be super edgy and want to constantly have a different opinion and piss against the wind.

But we can agree to disagree but you're still wrong. You can brush it off as irrelevant without stating a reason, that doesn't make it a good argument.

Let me ask you this then:

What would happen in the scenario 2:

scenario 1)

Luffy fights Magellan at Impel Down, he risks his health in order to land punches which eventually gets him nearly killed, In the rematch he uses candle wax as a shield in order to hit Magellan.

scenario 2) now lets reset the Impel Down arc, we have part 1 Luffy with Gear 2 and 3 and we give him CoA but his strength is still from pre skip.

How do you think the fight would go would Luffy have it easier against Magellan ?

If yes, Magellan's power devalued by the introduction of haki, without Luffy getting notably stronger, it's just the plot moving forward, and the top tiers all receiving the haki boost.

If no, you're lying to yourself.

The problem is that Mellegan's logia is entirely different. You would be able to hit him like how Doffy hit smoker but IT IS STILL A POISON!!! So your haki would be irrelevant in some way...

 

[Love Cook]

It's easy to assume when you give your side the benefit of the doubt and not the opposition. Why do you think they'd get it and not Magellan too? Magellan just suffered a loss he would want/need to get stronger.

Also to point 4; It's only my guess but I think the haki will just decrease the effect of the poison not completely nullify it.

No I'm fine with Magellan having haki too since we're just handing it out. But he was not a close ranged guy to begin with. So Luffy vs Magellan without haki is highly in favor of Magellan but if you would add haki to the mix for both Luffy would gain the upperhand (assuming poison is blocked/slowed by haki).

The problem is that Mellegan's logia is entirely different. You would be able to hit him like how Doffy hit smoker but IT IS STILL A POISON!!! So your haki would be irrelevant in some way...

Well that was what I was asking from the beginning, how would the poison affect haki. Remember how Ceasars petrifying gas wasn't able to coat someone clad in haki, it would just break off without sticking to them. Maybe it works the same for poison, magma and ice.

 

[-Akuma-]

Poison isn't a logia....

 

[HashiraMadara]

No I'm fine with Magellan having haki too since we're just handing it out. But he was not a close ranged guy to begin with. So Luffy vs Magellan without haki is highly in favor of Magellan but if you would add haki to the mix for both Luffy would gain the upperhand (assuming poison is blocked/slowed by haki).




Well that was what I was asking from the beginning, how would the poison affect haki. Remember how Ceasars petrifying gas wasn't able to coat someone clad in haki, it would just break off without sticking to them. Maybe it works the same for poison, magma and ice.

Maybe you can do like Pica/Vergo. If it doesn't affect you like that then you would easily fodderise him. Like how the Blackbeard Pirates did... (we have no idea how they defeated him)

 

[Bogard]

Strong enough to mid diff Ivankov

 

[Wes Sine]

Quite but not enough to take down BB's crew!!

 

[MickNerks]

Based on some peoples logic, Magellan is Pirate King Level because he solo'd a yonko's entire crew with low difficulty

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Based on some peoples logic, Magellan is Pirate King Level because he solo'd a yonko's entire crew with low difficulty

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He didn't solo them low diff. BB nearly killed him before he left for what he came for.