@Bold: Kakashi countering a Sharingan: Genjutsu just means he's could counter it, and doesn't translate to any of your speculations that he could control boss summons.
The rest of your wall of text is irrelevant, when you think the Genjutsu Obito used on Kakashi is on the same level as Genjutsu to controlling Biju's. Basically, you're just pulling speculations out of nowhere and giving them to characters without still showing they're capable of it.
Then you need to prove that Kakashi could use a high-leve Genjutsu on boss summons.
If that's how you want to do it, then fine. You need to prove to me that Kakashi cannot put them in a Genjutsu when Obito clearly makes it clear that the eye techniques grant them the ability. If not, then don't respond. "Only our eye techniques"
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and you're going to have to prove to me that Boss Summons are on such a level that Kakashi won't be able to put them in a Genjutsu when Kishi in the DB refers to the ability to control them as a "glimpse to the real Tailed beasts control". That's how you want to do it, then fine. Base Kakashi has the same Genjutsu skill as Sasuke in the DB3. Both have a 4 which is just one away from a 5. DB scores don't take into account the Sharingan and Sasuke with his 3T could control Manda let alone Kakashi with his MS. You are the one that needs to disprove me here. Something you can't do except use these funny points.
None of what you said invalidates the databook foundation and support your claims. Firstly, as the scans say, Genjutsu works on a living creature; Pain is dead and the Genjutsu Jiraiya used (higher calibre than Ocular Genjutsu) dismantled Nagato's control over Pain. Secondly, as the scans say, breaking a Genjutsu requires one to knead his/her Chakra to break it and Nagato's Chakra signals transmitted to Pain summons would passively cancel any Genjutsu.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about and the mere fact you ignored or couldn't read and understand what I posted is just ridiculous to me and others reading this. The Gama Rinsho falls under the category of Genjutsu which works like every other Genjutsu but with a different function. Read. What is said here is very clear in the middle
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"attacks the brain through the sense of hearing" which is the same damn thing Jman is stating in regards to Genjutsu as a whole. Visual or whatever, Genjutsu is Genjutsu but with different effects, with different ways of initialization and with different purposes. Main point is Genjutsu could work on Pain regardless of what it was. It was shown to work on Pain and the fact that it could work first allowed it's effect to be carried out. If Genjutsu couldn't work, then regardless of it's effect/purpose, it won't work/show on Pain because Genjutsu itself would be ineffective Pain regardless of the powerful effect. The fact that it can work on Pain allowed its effect to be carried out. Lol at this funny attempt "stronger"..No one cares considering the reasoning you're using to back up your claim regarding Genjutsu being unable to work on the summons because they're remotely controlled even though they're controlled via the use of chakra which Genjutsu users use to control their opponents. Drop this bad argument.
The second point is the most reasonable thing you've said since I've argued here. Unfortunately, that most likely won't work considering the explosion from C0 couldn't break Manda out of the Genjutsu that was controlling him. Not to mention, the Paths weren't broken out of that Genjutsu despite the fact that the receivers constantly receive chakra. I have no reason to believe that would be the same here when it comes to Boss summons.
Also, Jman counters summons. I've said it before.
Nothing you said supports your premise. You just speculate Kakashi can do things he wasn't shown or implied he could do. For your premise to actually be correct, you need to establish the following:
1). The Genjutsu Obito used against Kakashi is comparable to the Genjutsu he used on Biju's.
2). You need to outline Kakashi's Genjutsu feats that those feats make it possible for him to control boss summons.
3). You need to contradict the foundation of Pain summons established in the databook.
As of now, you're just speculating and I have no reason to believe in any of it.
When one doesn't have an argument because most of his points have been countered with effective reasons, this is what they resort to. Speculating here and there despite what I'm saying being the right thing as it contributes.
LOL it doesn't work that way. You're going to have going to have to give me a good reason why he wasn't using his strongest Genjutsu when he wasn't there to waste time like he said despite numerous attempts to kill Kakashi and get his way in the war. This is getting beyond ridiculous.
You're going to have to point out where it was made specific to us that Boss Summons were any different. They weren't classified on the same level as tailed beasts. Never. You're also going to have to address Obito's statement about 'eye techniques"
And how do you know this? Where is your proof? Rinnegan could resist the strongest Genjutsu, so it can easily resist a much weaker Genjutsu cast by the likes of Kakashi, and a fanfic Genjuts in that.
Because it was counter on the Narutoforums when they initially released the DB about 2 years ago. The discussion thread has ridiculous amount of pages making it hard to find but you can even see 2 users here confirming that it was fake(Indra and Jef) *****************/threads/stop-with-the-all-rinnegans-immune-to-visual-genjutsu-nonsense.1056921/ (replace stars with narutoforums). If you're standing on this point then I know not to continue because I know for a fact that the dude was proved wrong which was known people.
Rinnegan could resist what Jutsu? If there's any (that is) argument for the Rinnegan being able to resist IT, it would be the fact that Sasuke's Rinnegan's ability is far different to the usual one and even contains 6 tomoes and can use MS techniques with his Rinnegan. None which has shown traits except Susano'o which Itachi could activate when his MS wasn't activated. Even Madara's Rinnegan clone resorts back to his EMS when he wants to cast a Genjutsu
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while Sasuke can use Sharingan granted techniques like Amaterasu with his Rinnegan. He can use Rinnegan Genjutsu. His Rinnegan is completely different.
Now to actually address this point, Sasuke's Rinnegan wasn't what resisted IT but the Susano'o created from his eyes blocked it
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. Zetsu only questioned if his Rinnegan was able to repel it after also questioning if his Susano'o was blocking the light
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. He says here "WE" can't go out as long as it shines
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and in that same scan, Zetsu confirms he wasn't letting the light through. You have no point.
