Aspulls/Bullsh*t on the War saga

[Guntah]

1-Madara didn't know at all that black zetsu would stab him since madara supposedly created BZ himself

He's still a physical god in every aspect and a surprise attack from a character who's greatest power is a dying Obito took him down. That is bullsh*t.

2-Naruto and Sasuke weren't alone naruto used konoha 11's help to break Juubito's sword , it was like 13 people against a sword

No, the Konoha 11 broke through the shield, Naruto and Sasuke went through the sword alone...god knows how though.

3-Sakura said she has been storing chakra since 3 years , where's the asspull in that?

Let me think...it was never mentioned, though there is no in-world reason to hide it, its completed precisely when Sakura is about to fight for the first time in 400 chapters all for convenience's sake, it comes absolutely the f*ck out of nowhere....what else?

4-Nagato was immobile by then , thats why Itachi could pierce him

Shinra Tensei, much? Immobile or not, he could still use it.

5-It wasn't even limbo , its a different Rinnegan jutsu that freezes a person , Sasuke couldn't do anything

Your own assumption since it was never mentioned as such and never clarified what that was, thus a major asspull. If it was a different technique, it was never used again. Nor was it mentioned. It spells asspull.

 

[123fire]

He's still a physical god in every aspect and a surprise attack from a character who's greatest power is a dying Obito took him down. That is bullsh*t.

Nope NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY CAN PREDICT SUCH ATTACKS , To Madara black zetsu was an ally.

No, the Konoha 11 broke through the shield, Naruto and Sasuke went through the sword alone...god knows how though.

Naruto has Bijuu Sage mode and Sasuke has EMS , naruto and sasuke aren't weak . Breaking it isn't a big deal

Let me think...it was never mentioned, though there is no in-world reason to hide it, its completed precisely when Sakura is about to fight for the first time in 400 chapters all for convenience's sake, it comes absolutely the f*ck out of nowhere....what else?

Even though it was never mentioned its still not an asspull and makes sense , Sakura IS TSUNADE'S DISIPLE AFTERALL

Shinra Tensei, much? Immobile or not, he could still use it.

No Nagato didn't see the attack coming how could he use shinra tensei? There was smoke all around and Kabuto doesn't know how to use Nagato properly

Your own assumption since it was never mentioned as such and never clarified what that was, thus a major asspull. If it was a different technique, it was never used again. Nor was it mentioned. It spells asspull.

Not me nor you can know what happened here but Madara has so many jutsus they don't have to be explained

 

[Guntah]

Nope NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY CAN PREDICT SUCH ATTACKS , To Madara black zetsu was an ally.

It doesn't matter. Madara was stabbed and bissected. He even had half of his body blown off. Only to easily heal. This however, an unexplained attack from a complete fodder to Madara's standards, took him down with no further explanation.

Naruto has Bijuu Sage mode and Sasuke has EMS , naruto and sasuke aren't weak . Breaking it isn't a big deal

Neither of them are. But Obito is the Juubi's Jinchuuriki. A physical god for all intents and purposes wielding a blade befitting of such title, broken by two Shinobi far weaker than himself with no proper explanation

Even though it was never mentioned its still not an asspull and makes sense , Sakura IS TSUNADE'S DISIPLE AFTERALL

So we're supposed to believe that up to that point she had all along been storing chakra in her forehead and enver once mentioned to anyone? Amd that she completed the seal, just in time for the war's final battle? I can understand suspension of disbelief, but that is just too much asspull.

No Nagato didn't see the attack coming how could he use shinra tensei? There was smoke all around and Kabuto doesn't know how to use Nagato properly

Its the same thing that happened against the incoming Rasenshuriken, and he

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. Then there's the argument of whether Kabuto is taking control of their bodies or if he's ordering them around...which I really don't want to get into with another person.

Not me nor you can know what happened here but Madara has so many jutsus they don't have to be explained

Give me another jutsu of Madara's with enough power to easily subdue a high kage level character that wasn't at all explained.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Sakura's power up was the greatest ass pull but it stil couldn't make her useful.

 

[Retsu]

Izanami was the biggest ass pull in the entire manga

 

[123fire]

It doesn't matter. Madara was stabbed and bissected. He even had half of his body blown off. Only to easily heal. This however, an unexplained attack from a complete fodder to Madara's standards, took him down with no further explanation.

Fam Madara didn't expect Black Zetsu to stab him , lets say my mother is behind me and i trust her alot , but suddenly she stabs me from the back , WHAT COULD I DO KNOWING MOM IS THE ONLY ONE BEHIND , HOW COULD I POSSIBLY DODGE NOT SEEING THE ATTACK COMING .

Neither of them are. But Obito is the Juubi's Jinchuuriki. A physical god for all intents and purposes wielding a blade befitting of such title, broken by two Shinobi far weaker than himself with no proper explanation

Like i said Naruto and Sasuke are really powerful , i know juubito too but its not impossible for naruto and sasuke to break through his sword . Kurama fused susano is a powerful combination .

So we're supposed to believe that up to that point she had all along been storing chakra in her forehead and enver once mentioned to anyone? Amd that she completed the seal, just in time for the war's final battle? I can understand suspension of disbelief, but that is just too much asspull.

Yeah so? Its called plot , not everything should be forshadowed

Its the same thing that happened against the incoming Rasenshuriken, and he

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. Then there's the argument of whether Kabuto is taking control of their bodies or if he's ordering them around...which I really don't want to get into with another person.

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Give me another jutsu of Madara's with enough power to easily subdue a high kage level character that wasn't at all explained.

No comment too

 

[Guntah]

Fam Madara didn't expect Black Zetsu to stab him , lets say my mother is behind me and i trust her alot , but suddenly she stabs me from the back , WHAT COULD I DO KNOWING MOM IS THE ONLY ONE BEHIND , HOW COULD I POSSIBLY DODGE NOT SEEING THE ATTACK COMING .

Surprise or not, it doesn't matter. Explain me.

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Why did this work?

Like i said Naruto and Sasuke are really powerful , i know juubito too but its not impossible for naruto and sasuke to break through his sword . Kurama fused susano is a powerful combination .

They are powerful, yes, but the point is, it is by no stretch more powerful than the Juubi Jinchuuriki's power, yet they managed to break it. Easily. How?

Yeah so? Its called plot , not everything should be forshadowed.

If it comes absolutely out of nowhere with no mention of it beforehand, its badly explained and all you can say in its defence is that its plot?

 

[Wolves]

I am trying to argue that Kabuto is not taking control of the Edo Tensei's body per say, just ordering their every movement, since the former would require extensive knowledge of how to use each and every one of his Edo Tensei's jutsu...an argument that got sidetracked at some point, it seems.

Isn't that what control is....
Anyways the main point to be taken here are the decisions on what an edo does is dependent on what kabuto wishes them to do when they are completely under his control. So if they error it's pretty much his fault. Basically if Nagato was in control with intent to fight, the battle could have had a much different result

 

[Guntah]

Isn't that what control is....
Anyways the main point to be taken here are the decisions on what an edo does is dependent on what kabuto wishes them to do when they are completely under his control. So if they error it's pretty much his fault. Basically if Nagato was in control with intent to fight, the battle could have had a much different result

Well, the difference is in between taking control of the body and deciding what it does. Its the difference in betweenhim experiencing all they experience and them doing everything he tells them to do.

 

[Guntah]

Sakura's power up isn't an ass pull, a dog with a marble eye could've seen that.

How was Sakuras power a ass pull it was foreshadowed more than once, she had perfect chakra control since the begining , and on the Byakugou first appearance tsunade clearly said that she stored chakra in one spot for a few years , also like 20 chapter before that tsunade talked about how front line medics who also fight would have to possess this jutsu, then she said that katsuyus power is determined by the Byakugou in later chapter but it was implied during the pein arc. And Sakura was foreshadow to gain a slug summon like in the third chapter , so what was the asspull

Came out of nowhere, had virtually no purpose, little to no mention of that whole saving up chakra for three years beforehand thing for no actual in-world reason.....yeah.

 

[123fire]

Surprise or not, it doesn't matter. Explain me.

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Black Zetsu made Madara not move because he was Kaguya's will , Kaguya's chakra made Madara not move so he transforms to Kaguya

They are powerful, yes, but the point is, it is by no stretch more powerful than the Juubi Jinchuuriki's power, yet they managed to break it. Easily. How?



If it comes absolutely out of nowhere with no mention of it beforehand, its badly explained and all you can say in its defence is that its plot?

Im done here

 

[Guntah]

Black Zetsu made Madara not move because he was Kaguya's will , Kaguya's chakra made Madara not move so he transforms to Kaguya

Was there ever explicitly stated?

Im done here

...okay?

 

[FemmeFatale]

Came out of nowhere, had virtually no purpose, little to no mention of that whole saving up chakra for three years beforehand thing for no actual in-world reason.....yeah.

Sakura isn't one to brag about her Power, even when she finished storing the seal Shizune was the one who bragged about it, Also Sakura chakra control was already perfect , she didn't require a training montage , because she didn't train for it she just did it

 

[Dizzldot]

Sakura isn't one to brag about her Power, even when she finished storing the seal Shizune was the one who bragged about it, Also Sakura chakra control was already perfect , she didn't require a training montage , because she didn't train for it she just did it

Did you realize kishi forgot about her

 

[Wolves]

Well, the difference is in between taking control of the body and deciding what it does. Its the difference in betweenhim experiencing all they experience and them doing everything he tells them to do.

Both are control though ,"the power to influence or direct people's behavior or the course of events", as the person has no say in what they do. Its just a different method. By experience Kabuto can see what is happening to an edo without being present.
If you mean when they get hurt does he get hurt? No

 

[Guntah]

Sakura isn't one to brag about her Power, even when she finished storing the seal Shizune was the one who bragged about it, Also Sakura chakra control was already perfect , she didn't require a training montage , because she didn't train for it she just did it

This sounds like an excuse for a sudden powerup.

 

[Guntah]

Both are control though ,"the power to influence or direct people's behavior or the course of events", as the person has no say in what they do. Its just a different method. By experience Kabuto can see what is happening to an edo without being present.
If you mean when they get hurt does he get hurt? No

But which of them do you think this is? Direct control, with him taking control over Nagato's body or just having the ability to tell him what to do without him being able to fight back?

 

[Wolves]

But which of them do you think this is? Direct control, with him taking control over Nagato's body or just having the ability to tell him what to do without him being able to fight back?

Both.

 

[Guntah]

Both.

But how?

 

[Wolves]

But how?

The 2nd one is basically the first one
*Edit if you're talking about possession hes not doing that, he just has a kunai in their head.