So were you implying it or not? Wouldn't surprise me if you were.
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I should start believing Raikiri can truly cut through anything since an offical source said it.
Bro, Madara isn't beating Rinnegan Sasuke unless he is a Juubi Jin
As Holy Madara, Naruto and Momoshiki are weaker. As this version, Shin is considerably weaker. Madara got his second eye because he'd be better with it, neither parties even using their full power at the point to determine whether he was in true danger. Their Susano'o should be equal though. Nothing suggests otherwise.
Smh Momoshiki fused physical feats shits on any incarnation of Madara. Sasuke was stupidly weakened in his shin fight the fact you brough it up is silly af. JJ SM 1 rinnegan Madara ran because he knew he was no match. Feats puts Sasuke way above That Madara same with portrayal. just stop with the bs
Smh Momoshiki fused physical feats shits on any incarnation of Madara. Sasuke was stupidly weakened in his shin fight the fact you brough it up is silly af. JJ SM 1 rinnegan Madara ran because he knew he was no match. Feats puts Sasuke way above That Madara same with portrayal. just stop with the bs
Madara never fought depending on taijutsu like Momoshiki did in the beginning, so obviously he going to be portrayed better, especially as a movie. He could only keep up with one at a time and Madara has an actual Sage Mode unlike him while also having the same eyes. The only thing about Sasuke that was weak was his ocular powers, and that isn't going to slow him down in the slightest. Madara couldn't have known he'd get beat, he simply said he had to take them seriously, note that I said them and bringing this topic up has really nothing to do with this thread since he was fighting both.
So you do actually believe it? (it=edo Madara>Rinnegan Sasuke)
Sasuke was slicing up meteors that dwarf the mountains, Edo/EMS Madara were cutting up. INB4 calculations that directly ignore panel of rocks/mountains comparison and vote2 clashes that don't take away the main feat.
Sasuke sliced up, impaled, and struck Madara who was in a form of heightened speed. INB4 Shin example.
Feats clearly favor Teen Rinnegan Sasuke in the manga is superior to Madara. There is no way Edo Madara or any form of Madara that's not a Juubi Jin is beating him. .
Madara never fought depending on taijutsu like Momoshiki did in the beginning, so obviously he going to be portrayed better, especially as a movie. He could only keep up with one at a time and Madara has an actual Sage Mode unlike him while also having the same eyes. The only thing about Sasuke that was weak was his ocular powers, and that isn't going to slow him down in the slightest. Madara couldn't have known he'd get beat, he simply said he had to take them seriously, note that I said them and bringing this topic up has really nothing to do with this thread since he was fighting both.
Madara could not fight with taijutsu hence why he used limbo's a diversion and we've seen Naruto clones had no problem tangling with Madara's limbo alone and Momoshiki fought a much superior Naruto and Sasuke so regarless of what your talking about Momoshiki feats puts him way above Madara. No Sasuke said his entire chakra network was was low because of his dimensional travels. Madara knew he was beat and it does not change the fact that Madara at top speed with a head start got blitz so your points are not points at all.
Sasuke susanoo feats stomps all over Madara's period he gets owned.
Madara could not fight with taijutsu hence why he used limbo's a diversion and we've seen Naruto clones had no problem tangling with Madara's limbo alone and Momoshiki fought a much superior Naruto and Sasuke so regarless of what your talking about Momoshiki feats puts him way above Madara. No Sasuke said his entire chakra network was was low because of his dimensional travels. Madara knew he was beat and it does not change the fact that Madara at top speed with a head start got blitz so your points are not points at all.
No, it's actually the opposite. His Limbo fighting on par with Naruto's clones means that he had taijutsu at least equivalent to them. There's also the fact that Naruto had once failed to react to Limbo at all while staring right at it. I doubt Naruto and Sasuke were inferior by much if at all, especially since Naruto wasn't using his full Six Paths Sage Mode. Momoshiki was shown only able to handle one at a time though, so it's not as impressive as you speak. Sasuke's chakra being low does not effect his speed either however, and it really only had an effect on his ocular prowess, so that's irrelevant. Saying Madara was blitzed when he thought a full sentence while looking at Sasuke is funny though. You'll also notice that people who get blitzed usually have a "!" notification, while Madara was seemingly laughing and knew he was coming.
Sasuke susanoo feats stomps all over Madara's period he gets owned.
So you do actually believe it? (it=edo Madara>Rinnegan Sasuke)
Sasuke was slicing up meteors that dwarf the mountains, Edo/EMS Madara were cutting up. INB4 calculations that directly ignore panel of rocks/mountains comparison and vote2 clashes that don't take away the main feat.
And this is why people that advocate for Sasuke on this forum can't be taken seriously. :|
VOTE 2 clashes show the level of power of Sasuke's slashes. The level of power that he showed there is the same exact power that he sliced the meteors with. He isn't using 2 different levels of power in both instances.
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The meteors being bigger than mountains is literally irrelevant since the size of the object being slashed at is irrelevant to how far the shockwave travels.
-A slash of Madara's Perfect Susano'o(anyone's Perfect Susano'o as a matter of fact) travels the distance of a mountain range.
-Madara's meteors are only the size of a mountain range.
Madara only cutting mountain sized objects is irrelevant.
Sasuke sliced up, impaled, and struck Madara who was in a form of heightened speed. INB4 Shin example.
Feats clearly favor Teen Rinnegan Sasuke in the manga is superior to Madara. There is no way Edo Madara or any form of Madara that's not a Juubi Jin is beating him. .
Your interpretation of these feats are wrong since they were already contradicted by an official source. Nothing Sasuke did was meant to be interpreted as him being above Madara.
Nothing wrong with bringing up Shin either since it blatantly shuts down all of this nonsense about Sasuke's speed being anything special.
Madara flew towards him and Sasuke switched at the last second, which made Madara impale himself. How does even begin to prove what you're implying? All it says is that Sasuke can react to a Ten Tails' jinchuriki, which basically every high tier shinobi can do.
Madara flew away from the battlefield and landed after taking Kakashi's eye. Sasuke then caught up and sliced him before he teleported away with Kamui. That has zero to do with Sasuke's speed vs Madara's.
Madara was already dodging Sasuke while blind. inb4 Rinnegan Sasuke is faster than Ems Sasuke :lol
Again, this doesn't even begin to prove what you're implying since not only did Madara turn around and look at Sasuke, Madara literally stated that he expected Sasuke to do what he did and the only version of Sasuke that he saw move was Ems Sasuke.
The databook states that Madara is the strongest Uchiha, so he wins regardless of any argument. He wins featwise due to having superior Rinnegan abilities to both Sasuke and especially Obito.
Manga and databook are written by the same person, so one can't have superiority over the other. They're both official.
OT: Databook portrays Madara as the strongest Uchiha. The databook made that portrayal which records up to the Kaguya Arc. Throw that aside, Madara still wins. Limbo one shots Obito and 5 Susanoo Limbo's with the real Madara gang-bang Sasuke.
Sasuke did NOT blitz 1 eyed juudara, madara did'nt care bout getting cut by sasuke, he blocked characters with faster shuunshin (rsm naruto's punch and when he used the goudodama rod to attack madara, and he was able to react to guy in a weaker form that shits on sasuke in footspeed).
@OP even if genjutsu is not restricted these are all uchiha's with rinnegan, it won't matter.
People really think sasuke is that far above DRSM madara?? Madara reacted to tobirama while juubito failed to react to tobirama's teleportation at first, what does that imply??? It means there's something called getting caught off guard, madara on guard should be able to react to sasuke (he figured out ameno range and how it's used) and sasuke is not that much faster in speed, cuz madara has SM chakra to further amp his rikudou chakra so he can keep up.
PS vs PS, madara has SM chakra to amp his already rikudou buffed PS, though sasuke has more rikudou chakra, but madara having ashuura's power he should be strong enough to face sasuke's PS, limbo would be a pain in the ass to deal with again, amaterasu is useless, so it's not as easy as y'all make it out to be
always the usual madara slurpers, not surprised and lol at DB being used as evidence smh. obito dies first since he the weakest then madara follows. sasuke is by far the strongest here. he wins with not much trouble
this. Can't believe the other guy is actually saying Edo Madara/non Jin Madara>Rinnegan Sasuke. SMH. Acting like non Jin Madara is as fast Sasuke when JJ Madara commented on and got suprisied by Sasuke's speed/Ameno. And acting like his PS is on Sasuke's level when Sasuke has cut something far thicker, larger and more durable than mountain tops (CT rocks are more durable than normal rocks as shown when KN6 bijuu dama did nothing to Nagato's forming CT). Then he says I'm in denial.
Yeah, you should go to Kishi and personally correct him since I'm sure that your stance on the matter is more valid than his. Claiming that Sasuke is stronger than Madara is ridiculous.
Acting like non Jin Madara is as fast Sasuke when JJ Madara commented on and got suprisied by Sasuke's speed/Ameno. And acting like his PS is on Sasuke's level when Sasuke has cut something far thicker, larger and more durable than mountain tops (CT rocks are more durable than normal rocks as shown when KN6 bijuu dama did nothing to Nagato's forming CT). Then he says I'm in denial.
All of this was debunked. Literally all of this. The bold are lies.
The 1st bold was already debunked and the 2nd one is ridiculous considering that there isn't such a thing as "CT rock". CT is as durable as the material that composes it. The explosion of that Bijudama blew up every part of CT that it touched.
According to this guy and everyone that agrees with him, the author's stance on the matter is completely irrelevant and Madara's Perfect Susano'o can only cut objects the size of mountains regardless of the shockwaves traveling across entire mountain ranges(therefore he wouldn't even be able to cut Pain's CT by this logic).
The size of the rocks are irrelevant as long as the shockwave has enough range to travel through it. Though this point was ignored as well, unsurprisingly. That seems to be the norm for the fanbases on this site.
I've never seen a group of people so dishonest in my time on this forum. It's almost as bad as trying to explain the theory of evolution to a bunch of hardcore Creationists.
The databook states that Madara is the strongest Uchiha, so he wins regardless of any argument. He wins featwise due to having superior Rinnegan abilities to both Sasuke and especially Obito.
No..the Databook stated that Madara was the strongest of the Uchiha clan and in context went on to say that he excelled sharingan wise until he became the head of the clan. Sasuke isn't subject to this statement because when Madara held the said title, Sasuke was non-existent at that time.
All these type of statements are subject to timelines. Even though i'm familiar with your flawed tunneled visioned pattern of argumentation which most likely says you will ignore the logic and reason behind what I am about to say: timelines are the ground rule when it comes to nominating the strongest member of any clan because I can assure you that before Madara came into existence, he was not the strongest of the Uchiha clan, just as he wasn't the strongest of the Uchiha clan when he was 2years of Age because at those times the apex of his own power had not yet bloom into fruition.
This is just denial.
The statement is made in the beginning on his entry, which blatantly shows Madara during his fight during the Gokage, far before it ever talks about him becoming a jinchuriki.
Which even though unrelated to your claim that Madara was stated to be the Strongest Uchiha in the Databook (it is your claim because the was not the exact statement) correlates to what you're trying to portray as during that moment Madara was facing the Hokage's, he was the strongest Uchiha.
And this is why people that advocate for Sasuke on this forum can't be taken seriously. :|
VOTE 2 clashes show the level of power of Sasuke's slashes. The level of power that he showed there is the same exact power that he sliced the meteors with. He isn't using 2 different levels of power in both instances.
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The meteors being bigger than mountains is literally irrelevant since the size of the object being slashed at is irrelevant to how far the shockwave travels.
-A slash of Madara's Perfect Susano'o(anyone's Perfect Susano'o as a matter of fact) travels the distance of a mountain range.
-Madara's meteors are only the size of a mountain range.
Madara only cutting mountain sized objects is irrelevant.
Which is simply assuming Madara's shockwaves travel an equal distance to Sasuke's. Assuming that the density of rock of Madara's CT-meteorites would not prohibit the Shockwaves from Madara's PS from going right through; and we know density matters because unlike the CT-meteorites, a mountain would never stay composed if hovered in the air for the simple fact that all the weight would be transferred to the portion of it closer to earth and it would break. Assuming that Madara's and Sasuke PS both produce an equal amount of force behind their most powerful sword swipes. Assuming that the power Sasuke received from Hagoromo could never have made his PS sword swipes stronger than Madara's.
Your interpretation of these feats are wrong since they were already contradicted by an official source. Nothing Sasuke did was meant to be interpreted as him being above Madara.
Nothing wrong with bringing up Shin either since it blatantly shuts down all of this nonsense about Sasuke's speed being anything special.
Madara flew towards him and Sasuke switched at the last second, which made Madara impale himself. How does even begin to prove what you're implying? All it says is that Sasuke can react to a Ten Tails' jinchuriki, which basically every high tier shinobi can do.
Madara flew away from the battlefield and landed after taking Kakashi's eye. Sasuke then caught up and sliced him before he teleported away with Kamui. That has zero to do with Sasuke's speed vs Madara's.
Madara was already dodging Sasuke while blind. inb4 Rinnegan Sasuke is faster than Ems Sasuke :lol
Again, this doesn't even begin to prove what you're implying since not only did Madara turn around and look at Sasuke, Madara literally stated that he expected Sasuke to do what he did and the only version of Sasuke that he saw move was Ems Sasuke.
Ok, I'll just read the "red" for now. Lets examine your logic. Since None of those feats were meant to be interpreted as Sasuke becoming stronger than any Pre-Jin Madara, the same said author making a statement in an official source, the manga, that Sasuke had the potential to surpass Madara directly before giving him a powerup which after which it was received, Madara himself as the Juubi's Jinchuriki and having absorbed the Shinju stated that he then possessed and equal power to that of Naruto and Sasuke and that they would see who is the strongest between the pair and himself.
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Would make absolutely no sense on his behalf right? If Madara was already stronger that R-Sasuke before becoming a Jin, then he would have crushed his level of power after becoming the Jinchuriki and crushed even that after absorbing the shinju, unless Naruto made up for the vast difference inbetween Madara's and Sasuke's power at that time which would be nothing more than a lie because Naruto and Sasuke were roughly equal in power.
