[Question] Calling DC experts...

[YellowFang]

Greetings...

I have some queries regarding some DC characters,

1-
Kryptonite and Red sun radiations:
There are many explanation about K-nite and what I got from it is... That the radiation poisons his stored solar energy, hence the pain and weakened powers and eventually it becomes fatal.

So, what happens when the K-nite is removed, how does that poison go away? And how does Red sun radiation effect Superman? Same as K-nite or just stripped of his powers?

2-
Superman is super-intelligent, it's true despite common belief. And on few occasions I've seen him doing some incredible intelligence feats.

So, can Superman prepare for different situations like how Batman does... if he feels like it?

3-
Batman knows almost all existing Martial Arts on Earth. So does some other characters.

So, how good is Batman? He just knows them or is a master in each? (I believe a master in one art can defeat someone who knows many but isn't really that good in any...)
How many can defeat Batman in just Hand-to-Hand, be they practice few arts or all like Batman...?


I'll +rep the satisfying posts.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

1: Kryptonite (At least the green stuff) just kills him and makes him unable to use his powers. A red sun doesn't give him powers, but has no actual negative effects.

2: Probably, but his best strategy is "Be superman at the enemy until he has won". plus, he doesn't have as many gadgets.

3: Master of everything. Theres a reason his name is often prefaced by "The Goddamn"

 

[patrickscott]

1. The only reason Krptonite weakens him is that it reminds him of his home planet, it's simply a mental block. Red sun just doesn't give him any energy, meaning if he wants to replenish he needs to find a blue sun.

2. Yes in fact that is precisely what Superman One million is, he went away for a period of time and learned every form of combat that exists even mental taijutsu.

3. Batman has mastered every form of Martial Arts, the only people seen to have bested him in hand to hand combat was Ras al ghul, later on after he completely perfected his form. No one has been able to beat him hand to hand since.

 

[YellowFang]

1: Kryptonite (At least the green stuff) just kills him and makes him unable to use his powers. A red sun doesn't give him powers, but has no actual negative effects.

2: Probably, but his best strategy is "Be superman at the enemy until he has won". plus, he doesn't have as many gadgets.

3: Master of everything. Theres a reason his name is often prefaced by "The Goddamn"

Umm

1- But it killed him almost never, and my question was... Going by the theory that it poisons him, how does that poison go away??
And still there are tools equipped with red sun radiations, when there's no negative effect??

2- Understandable and gadgets aren't really a mandatory part in developing a strategy, or are they??

3- I see, so you say he's the best martial artist on earth??

1. The only reason Krptonite weakens him is that it reminds him of his home planet, it's simply a mental block. Red sun just doesn't give him any energy, meaning if he wants to replenish he needs to find a blue sun.

2. Yes in fact that is precisely what Superman One million is, he went away for a period of time and learned every form of combat that exists even mental taijutsu.

3. Batman has mastered every form of Martial Arts, the only people seen to have bested him in hand to hand combat was Ras al ghul, later on after he completely perfected his form. No one has been able to beat him hand to hand since.

1- That definitely isn't the reason LOL

2- I see...

3- So, Ra's beat him before Batman perfected his arts or after? And only Ra's once was the top martial artist?

 

[Commander Axe]

1. When Kryptonite is removed, it goes away simply like how one would remove an infected area. One area is the mass sum of the krytonite, which spreads throughout, removing the source, removes the rest.
The radiation from a red sun can fuel a kryptonians body til death but the yellow radiation already stored in his body has to be purged in order for the red radiation to be absorbed, this radiation depletes his powers. So basically the red radiation gradually takes away his power in order to restore him to his "base" form, it is drastically different from Krytopnite, and it is also why Superman was still able to defeat Captain Atom despite the latter manipulating red energy, it simply wasn't enough to completely weaken Supes(or least he wasn't fast enough in doing so)

2.Hmmm, well it generally depends on who's writing him. He usually has what's called "plot induced stupidity" , however theoretically since he can out think a supercomputer and read an entire book in microseconds, then yes he should be intelligent and has done intelligent things like creating a shrink-ray, creating Superman robots to help tend the fortress, build the entire fortress of solitude alone, however due to his overpowered nature, his full mental capacity hasn't really been shown. Although as far as prep goes, he doesn't have much over Batman feat-wise.

3.Well he hasn't mastered EVERY martial art, but he has mastered 127 styles. Now the people who can match Batman in hand to hand or even defeat him are these few: Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain, Nightwing, Deathstroke, and Bronze tiger

Edit: About number 3, i could be mistaken, he could know every Martial arts, however know 127 different styles of each one. I'm still not sure cause the official quote varies a lot from "knows every martial art" to "127 styles"

 

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[patrickscott]

Umm

1- But it killed him almost never, and my question was... Going by the theory that it poisons him, how does that poison go away??
And still there are tools equipped with red sun radiations, when there's no negative effect??

2- Understandable and gadgets aren't really a mandatory part in developing a strategy, or are they??

3- I see, so you say he's the best martial artist on earth??



1- That definitely isn't the reason LOL

2- I see...

3- So, Ra's beat him before Batman perfected his arts or after? And only Ra's once was the top martial artist?

It really is the reason as stupid as it sounds. The only reason he gets beaten by it is because he never learned to let go of his love for his original home planet, but on his journey he learned to control it and superman one million has no weakness besides magic. Ras has lived though so many centuries and that's the only reason he beat batman because of experience. When he challenged batman the second time he lost because batman trained for a year in below freezing weather doing nothing but lifting and combat exercises with woods and trapped league of shadow members. I believe it was in the universe where his son got old and killed him.

 

[Kai NB]

Greetings...

I have some queries regarding some DC characters,

1-
Kryptonite and Red sun radiations:
There are many explanation about K-nite and what I got from it is... That the radiation poisons his stored solar energy, hence the pain and weakened powers and eventually it becomes fatal.

So, what happens when the K-nite is removed, how does that poison go away? And how does Red sun radiation effect Superman? Same as K-nite or just stripped of his powers?

2-
Superman is super-intelligent, it's true despite common belief. And on few occasions I've seen him doing some incredible intelligence feats.

So, can Superman prepare for different situations like how Batman does... if he feels like it?

3-
Batman knows almost all existing Martial Arts on Earth. So does some other characters.

So, how good is Batman? He just knows them or is a master in each? (I believe a master in one art can defeat someone who knows many but isn't really that good in any...)
How many can defeat Batman in just Hand-to-Hand, be they practice few arts or all like Batman...?


I'll +rep the satisfying posts.

1) Kryptonite is actually radioactive remains of the Kryptonian planet Krypton. When in proximity to Kryptonite, the radiation in a sense "overpowers" the radiation that he's absorbing from solar energy, stopping him from using his powers and weakening him like regular radiation would kill a human. However, when the Kryptonite radiation is removed from his presence, his innate solar energy absorption kicks back in and his body begins to heal from the yellow solar energy, removing the damage from the radiation. There have actually been several cases where Superman is stricken with Kryptonite poisoning after the Kryptonite was already removed from his presence, and he needed to be overcharged with solar energy to be healed.

Red Sun Solar Energy can be viewed as "empty carbs" for Superman. As Kryptonians are natural solar batteries, they absorb solar energy constantly, and Red Solar energy simply grants them enough energy to survive like a regular human. Yellow Solar energy and Blue Solar Energy "overcharges" a Kryptonian, granting them their extraordinary powers. When placed in Red Solar Radiated environment, Superman can only metabolize enough solar energy to make him as strong as a human.

Depending on the continuity, Red Solar Radiation takes away his power right away, or he is able to use the stored yellow solar energy he has until it is depleted.


2) Well, he does have a genius level intellect, as well as an eidetic memory, but just because he has those doesn't mean he necessarily knows how to use it to the fullest. There's also the fact that he can simply overpower most situations to not need to bother prepping. He does obviously plan ahead in certain situations, but more often than not, he chooses not to.


3) He has "mastered" all of the arts. Only a handful of people have actually been "claimed" to defeat him in martial arts. In one interesting crossover between DC and Marvel, Batman and Captain America were facing each other and after a few initial strikes, Batman claimed that "it's possible that [Captain America] could defeat [him] in a hand-to-hand fight". However, the fight never continued from that point on, so there was no actual decisive answer. Batman does also claim that there simply are much better martial artists out there, but there aren't many times when he actually fights them without the use of gadgets, so it's very hard to say.

 

[BlacLord™]

1. When Kryptonite is removed, it goes away simply like how one would remove an infected area. One area is the mass sum of the krytonite, which spreads throughout, removing the source, removes the rest.
The radiation from a red sun can fuel a kryptonians body til death but the yellow radiation already stored in his body has to be purged in order for the red radiation to be absorbed, this radiation depletes his powers. So basically the red radiation gradually takes away his power in order to restore him to his "base" form, it is drastically different from Krytopnite, and it is also why Superman was still able to defeat Captain Atom despite the latter manipulating red energy, it simply wasn't enough to completely weaken Supes(or least he wasn't fast enough in doing so)

2.Hmmm, well it generally depends on who's writing him. He usually has what's called "plot induced stupidity" , however theoretically since he can out think a supercomputer and read an entire book in microseconds, then yes he should be intelligent and has done intelligent things like creating a shrink-ray, creating Superman robots to help tend the fortress, build the entire fortress of solitude alone, however due to his overpowered nature, his full mental capacity hasn't really been shown. Although as far as prep goes, he doesn't have much over Batman feat-wise.

3.Well he hasn't mastered EVERY martial art, but he has mastered 127 styles. Now the people who can match Batman in hand to hand or even defeat him are these few: Lady Shiva, Cassandra Chain, Nightwing, Deathstroke, and Bronze tiger

Edit: About number 3, i could be mistaken, he could know every Martial arts, however know 127 different styles of each one. I'm still not sure cause the official quote varies a lot from "knows every martial art" to "127 styles"

This guy's got covered it.

OT: Just like to add that Kryptonians are a few tiers above humans overall in intellect... and Batman is a human, albeit at the very peak. Using DC's old intellect scaling, he would be between 6-7th level... your average Kryp. is 8th level.

 

[YellowFang]

1. When Kryptonite is removed, it goes away simply like how one would remove an infected area. One area is the mass sum of the krytonite, which spreads throughout, removing the source, removes the rest.
The radiation from a red sun can fuel a kryptonians body til death but the yellow radiation already stored in his body has to be purged in order for the red radiation to be absorbed, this radiation depletes his powers. So basically the red radiation gradually takes away his power in order to restore him to his "base" form, it is drastically different from Krytopnite, and it is also why Superman was still able to defeat Captain Atom despite the latter manipulating red energy, it simply wasn't enough to completely weaken Supes(or least he wasn't fast enough in doing so)

2.Hmmm, well it generally depends on who's writing him...

3.Well he hasn't mastered EVERY martial art...

1- So the effect just neutralizes? No damage done? I mean, take scenario... He's downed in a battle at night, gets exposed to K-nite for quite some time, there's no sunlight obviously so... He becomes OK naturally or he has to absorb some sunlight to get better...?
So if he's fully charged with Solar energy, red radiations won't be doing any harm unless red radiations are interchanged with usual solar energy??

2- I know Batman takes prep to another level, but a little prep from Superman can totally change tides of his battles...

3- Never heard of some of them... Hehe
Who of those you mentioned knows all arts or mastered one to the perfection?

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

The Flash and BatMan > DC

That's all you need to know.

 

[YellowFang]

This guy's got covered it.

OT: Just like to add that Kryptonians are a few tiers above humans overall in intellect... and Batman is a human, albeit at the very peak. Using DC's old intellect scaling, he would be between 6-7th level... your average Kryp. is 8th level.

Can I get a source to verify it?

The Flash and BatMan > DC

2 Characters? I disagree completely :bdpf:

 

[00Rinne]

The kryptonite is a rock that was originally from his home planet, though not to the extent were it brought harm to the populace. The red sun is of their home planet an it's what kept them from being the beings they are with the yellow sun. (Sups & any krytonians are regular people on their home planet like batman is on earth)

If he is stab or poisoned with kryptonite an is removed from him when he's under the yellow sun, the radiation of our sun with his biology would restore him like a anti-virus would from a snake bite to humans.
His intellect is shifty, I have nothin for you there..

& On Batman! Being a master in every technique in the martial arts world is far better than knowing all the tech's but not mastering them.. Theirs a counter for a counter for a counter in martial arts an we've seen dude handle up on enemies twice his size an three time the power...
Dude's indeed the best of the best even when he's surrounded by super powered comrades & enemies..

 

[Illuminater]

I'll answer just one cause I'm no expert.

2. Depends on who's drawing the comic. Sometimes spiderman can beat the hulk in a fight; sometimes he can't. Depends on who's writing.

 

[YellowFang]

I'll answer just one cause I'm no expert.

2. Depends on who's drawing the comic. Sometimes spiderman can beat the hulk in a fight; sometimes he can't. Depends on who's writing.

I agree, I meant based on some facts we can derive a possibility.
For e.g.
In All-star Superman, Superman prepared himself for Solaris' attack. So, it's definite that he preps given the circumstances and obviously... Writers.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Greetings...

I have some queries regarding some DC characters,

1-
Kryptonite and Red sun radiations:
There are many explanation about K-nite and what I got from it is... That the radiation poisons his stored solar energy, hence the pain and weakened powers and eventually it becomes fatal.

So, what happens when the K-nite is removed, how does that poison go away? And how does Red sun radiation effect Superman? Same as K-nite or just stripped of his powers?

2-
Superman is super-intelligent, it's true despite common belief. And on few occasions I've seen him doing some incredible intelligence feats.

So, can Superman prepare for different situations like how Batman does... if he feels like it?

3-
Batman knows almost all existing Martial Arts on Earth. So does some other characters.

So, how good is Batman? He just knows them or is a master in each? (I believe a master in one art can defeat someone who knows many but isn't really that good in any...)
How many can defeat Batman in just Hand-to-Hand, be they practice few arts or all like Batman...?


I'll +rep the satisfying posts.

1. Kryptonite when in his blood releases a constant toxic effect to him but once it's removed the infection is gone with it and his healing can kick in and get rid of the traces. As for Red Sun it doesn't hurt him but it doesn't grant powers either. Krypton used to be in a Red Sun galaxy and they just lived their lives, it has no effect at all.

2. I honestly don't know. It'd depend on the author mostly. Superman may be smarter when focusing but I think Batman is better at planning and reacting still, but it's a toss up.

3. Batman's is your master's master, man. He's mastered over 127 arts.

 

[Chikombo]

1: Kryptonite (At least the green stuff) just kills him and makes him unable to use his powers. A red sun doesn't give him powers, but has no actual negative effects.

2: Probably, but his best strategy is "Be superman at the enemy until he has won". plus, he doesn't have as many gadgets.

3: Master of everything. Theres a reason his name is often prefaced by "The Goddamn"

Why do u dislike your own posts?

 

[Wolves]

1. When Kryptonite is removed, it goes away simply like how one would remove an infected area. One area is the mass sum of the krytonite, which spreads throughout, removing the source, removes the rest.
The radiation from a red sun can fuel a kryptonians body til death but the yellow radiation already stored in his body has to be purged in order for the red radiation to be absorbed, this radiation depletes his powers. So basically the red radiation gradually takes away his power in order to restore him to his "base" form, it is drastically different from Krytopnite, and it is also why Superman was still able to defeat Captain Atom despite the latter manipulating red energy, it simply wasn't enough to completely weaken Supes(or least he wasn't fast enough in doing so)

2.Hmmm, well it generally depends on who's writing him. He usually has what's called "plot induced stupidity" , however theoretically since he can out think a supercomputer and read an entire book in microseconds, then yes he should be intelligent and has done intelligent things like creating a shrink-ray, creating Superman robots to help tend the fortress, build the entire fortress of solitude alone, however due to his overpowered nature, his full mental capacity hasn't really been shown. Although as far as prep goes, he doesn't have much over Batman feat-wise.

3.Well he hasn't mastered EVERY martial art, but he has mastered 127 styles. Now the people who can match Batman in hand to hand or even defeat him are these few: Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain, Nightwing, Deathstroke, and Bronze tiger

Edit: About number 3, i could be mistaken, he could know every Martial arts, however know 127 different styles of each one. I'm still not sure cause the official quote varies a lot from "knows every martial art" to "127 styles"

@OT : This post is pretty much correct. The superman thing is basically a combo of plot induced stupidity and crippling morals. About number 3 batman has some pretty above human lifting and durability feats even tho he basically supposed to be peak human which gives him an edge.

I think Wildstorm Zealot is the only charcter who has mastered every martial art including alien ones

 

[BlacLord™]

Can I get a source to verify it?

I forgot to mention that it was once mentioned that Kal-El's intellect level raises to the 10th level whilst under the sun. Here is a reference to Kal's father, Jor-El:

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Here's a scan stating Supes being 8th level:

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The entire human race is clocked at 6th level, so Batman's human genes won't allow him to be much, if any more than that - hence the 7th level cap.

Other than that, all I can do is post a few feats to show his intellect:

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The medical book feat was accomplished in 5 minutes.