Katsuyu

[InfiniteMugen]

Well then you don't have an argument against me. I am just arguing that katsuya can do combat. Which is what this thread is about. I proved that she can no matter how good she is at combat in the opinion of the base. But she can.

I am not address a user in particular. But Sakura has been shown to be able to do everything Tsunade can with katsuya so I don't think you have an arguement there either. The only thing I could say in your favor is that tsunade is more experienced in combat so she would be better fighting with katsuya because she has done it more. But on paper Sakura can do all the techniques we have seen tsunade do with katsuya.

I don't disagree on katsuyu one bit. But Sakura herself I personally don't think she has the mentality or the confidence on her own to "solo" anyone. You can have the greatest power in the world and all the abilities but if you crumble mentally before an opponent your f cked. Again this is just my personal opinion on the matter just from what I've seen in the manga, she has the power and the abilities I just don't think she could pull off anything special in a 1v1

 

[Joshutsu]

Great point...didn't recollect this at all. Katsuyu didn't lunge at him though.

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A scenario where Katsuyu is summoned, breaks up, surrounds an enemy and hurls acid isn't entirely plausible imo..However you have made me know Katsuyu can increase the difficulty level of a fight.

That might be my own interpretation error. The top left panel looks like she did but she simply leaned in towards him. My mistake, but she still closed in.

I think that is plausible depending on the scenario. But that is my own opinion and i have nothing else factual that i haven't shown to back it up. So I will leave you with your opinion on that case. Thank you for being reasonable as i did not think the debate would go this way at all.

 

[Joshutsu]

I don't disagree on katsuyu one bit. But Sakura herself I personally don't think she has the mentality or the confidence on her own to "solo" anyone. You can have the greatest power in the world and all the abilities but if you crumble mentally before an opponent your f cked. Again this is just my personal opinion on the matter just from what I've seen in the manga, she has the power and the abilities I just don't think she could pull off anything special in a 1v1

That's fine, i can't knock you for thinking that. It's just off topic. But it seems we are back on track now.

 

[Jinrou]

That might be my own interpretation error. The top left panel looks like she did but she simply leaned in towards him. My mistake, but she still closed in.

I think that is plausible depending on the scenario. But that is my own opinion and i have nothing else factual that i haven't shown to back it up. So I will leave you with your opinion on that case. Thank you for being reasonable as i did not think the debate would go this way at all.

What scenario do you have in mind?
- Why would the shinobi just watch himself get surrounded?

- What will Tsunade be doing?

The only scenario I see is if Tsunade tried to keep the opponent in place with CQC but she risks getting hit by the acid too and I doubt she'll survive that.

According to the Databook, the acid melts rocks. To get a clear picture of how corrosive it must be, lava in real life cannot melt rock but magma(lava that hasn't erupted) can. It's consistent with Kishi allowing Kakashi save Sakura in Kaguya's lava dimension.

If it does touch Tsunade, she'll be disintegrated which is quite different from the tearing apart she experienced with the speed of light travel.

 

[Joshutsu]

What scenario do you have in mind?
- Why would the shinobi just watch himself get surrounded?

- What will Tsunade be doing?

The only scenario I see is if Tsunade tried to keep the opponent in place with CQC but she risks getting hit by the acid too and I doubt she'll survive that.

According to the Databook, the acid melts rocks. To get a clear picture of how corrosive it must be, lava in real life cannot melt rock but magma(lava that hasn't erupted) can. It's consistent with Kishi allowing Kakashi save Sakura in Kaguya's lava dimension.

If it does touch Tsunade, she'll be disintegrated which is quite different from the tearing apart she experienced with the speed of light travel.

Well, my scenario was a forest or obstacle type terrain where katsuya can be spread out in trees and just around. Tsunade engaging in CQC of course them moving through the forest while mini katsuya are spraying acid at the target. That's my only mini katsuya formation.

I don't know how byakugo fares against acid damage. If Tsunade got any on her. But it doesn't matter, because this formation is fan made so i'd really like to not continue talking if we already came to a conslusion about the thread topic.

 

[lndra]

Frogs >

 

[Joshutsu]

Frogs >

Yes, that's how the deadlock works lol

 

[lndra]

Yes, that's how the deadlock works lol

They are my favorite summonings animals. Some of these summonings lack personality xD

 

[Jokule67]

Well, my scenario was a forest or obstacle type terrain where katsuya can be spread out in trees and just around. Tsunade engaging in CQC of course them moving through the forest while mini katsuya are spraying acid at the target. That's my only mini katsuya formation.

I don't know how byakugo fares against acid damage. If Tsunade got any on her. But it doesn't matter, because this formation is fan made so i'd really like to not continue talking if we already came to a conslusion about the thread topic.

Everyone knows Katsuyu can fight. But thats not her main function. You just proved right creating a fighting sequence that Tsunade nor Sakura has ever come close to doing. Katsuyu is mainly for support, Tsunade herself does most of the fighting.

Katsuyu is for healing first and foremost. She was inly summoned once for comvat in the entire manga. She didnt even use her against Madara. Tsunade knows Katsuyus place

 

[Jokule67]

A summon belonging to a medical ninja may just be used mostly to better their medical capabilities. But I will not let you call katsuya a medical summon because Tsunade uses her as a medium for her medical ninjutsu at times.

Katsuya can do more than spit acid for her summoner as we have seen before.

-She can also spread herself out in smaller sizes and help her user scout and or identify an enemy because she has mental communication with Tsunade.

-She can defend her user because of her near indestructable body only proven by the manga to go down due to chakra absorption. Which later proved to not work when katsuya is in liquid form. We saw her defend ninja by engulfing them and taking pains ST in war arc.

That's enough to make her a combat animal.

How much utility does manda offer that we've seen in the manga other than racing around and trying to bite people? He has no special skills we've seen.

The frogs have access to various jutsu and weapons but other than that they don't do that much either.

I say the summons are pretty even with their offensive capabilities.

The only offensive Katsuyu has is acid. I'd say she has the most defense only because her role is to stay alive and heal people. She has basically no battle feats. She is simply not used for battle the way you make her out to be. Yes she has potential but her summoners dont use her for that, and the one time tsunade did, none of those potential fantasy "feats" were performed. She is rarely summoned at all if not to heal somebody.

It would be wicked for Katsuyu to display everything she logically should be able to. But her main function is to hust keep people alive.

 

[Joshutsu]

They are my favorite summonings animals. Some of these summonings lack personality xD

Lol katsuya is more of a pleasantly mannered summon. She doesn't really step out of that. I like the toads personalities and manda is just a jerk.

Everyone knows Katsuyu can fight. But thats not her main function. You just proved right creating a fighting sequence that Tsunade nor Sakura has ever come close to doing. Katsuyu is mainly for support, Tsunade herself does most of the fighting.

Katsuyu is for healing first and foremost. She was inly summoned once for comvat in the entire manga. She didnt even use her against Madara. Tsunade knows Katsuyus place

This is your opinion. Discontinued because you have no proof. When she was summoned for fighting she was needed for fighting. The other times we saw her she was needed for healing. Bye.

The only offensive Katsuyu has is acid. I'd say she has the most defense only because her role is to stay alive and heal people. She has basically no battle feats. She is simply not used for battle the way you make her out to be. Yes she has potential but her summoners dont use her for that, and the one time tsunade did, none of those potential fantasy "feats" were performed. She is rarely summoned at all if not to heal somebody.

It would be wicked for Katsuyu to display everything she logically should be able to. But her main function is to hust keep people alive.

The job of all summons is to keep their summoner alive Lol

Again, just your opinion. Katsuya is used by Tsunade as a medical medium. Tsunade and Sakura use their own abilities through katsuya, she is not a medical slug as far as we have been told and shown through feats and facts thus far. If she was used by a solely offensive person or in offensive situation as we saw in part 1 she would perform accordingly.

It doesn't matter if acid is her only offense, you guys said she was not offensive in the beginning and i proved you wrong. The discussion ends there with me because that's all I came here to prove.

 

[lndra]

Lol katsuya is more of a pleasantly mannered summon. She doesn't really step out of that. I like the toads personalities and manda is just a jerk.



This is your opinion. Discontinued because you have no proof. When she was summoned for fighting she was needed for fighting. The other times we saw her she was needed for healing. Bye.



The job of all summons is to keep their summoner alive Lol

Again, just your opinion. Katsuya is used by Tsunade as a medical medium. Tsunade and Sakura use their own abilities through katsuya, she is not a medical slug as far as we have been told and shown through feats and facts thus far. If she was used by a solely offensive person or in offensive situation as we saw in part 1 she would perform accordingly.

It doesn't matter if acid is her only offense, you guys said she was not offensive in the beginning and i proved you wrong. The discussion ends there with me because that's all I came here to prove.

most of the snakes were big jerks, or they came out really servant like.

I'd take slugs over them anyday

 

[Joshutsu]

most of the snakes were big jerks, or they came out really servant like.

I'd take slugs over them anyday

Sasuke's snake was cool but yeah im about the slugs.

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^ Katsuya haters XD

 

[Jinrou]

Well, my scenario was a forest or obstacle type terrain where katsuya can be spread out in trees and just around. Tsunade engaging in CQC of course them moving through the forest while mini katsuya are spraying acid at the target. That's my only mini katsuya formation.

I don't know how byakugo fares against acid damage. If Tsunade got any on her. But it doesn't matter, because this formation is fan made so i'd really like to not continue talking if we already came to a conslusion about the thread topic.

@bold. That would mean Katsuyu will only be able to effect the difficulty level of a battle in a forest location as opposed to other battle summons that can effect the difficulty no matter the location.

@underlined. Why? It makes it seem like you're insecure or sth. But fair enough.

Everyone knows Katsuyu can fight. But thats not her main function. You just proved right creating a fighting sequence that Tsunade nor Sakura has ever come close to doing. Katsuyu is mainly for support, Tsunade herself does most of the fighting.

Katsuyu is for healing first and foremost. She was inly summoned once for comvat in the entire manga. She didnt even use her against Madara. Tsunade knows Katsuyus place

This makes sense. Katsuyu had a chance to use this splitting up acid feat in the pain arc..There were 4 Katsuyu's around iirc but Shizune still got killed without Katsuyu at least trying to do something.

@bold..I'm not really sure about that. it's more like she was summoned just to show Tsunade has a summon too..After-all, after rejoining itself, it kind of

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However, Joshutsu's scenario is definitely kind of right but based on the facts he brought, then logically Katsuyu would only be able to effect the difficulty level of a 1v1 fight in a forest location against a stationary fighter like say Shikamaru.

 

[Joshutsu]

@bold. That would mean Katsuyu will only be able to effect the difficulty level of a battle in a forest location as opposed to other battle summons that can effect the difficulty no matter the location.

@underlined. Why? It makes it seem like you're insecure or sth. But fair enough.




This makes sense. Katsuyu had a chance to use this splitting up acid feat in the pain arc..There were 4 Katsuyu's around iirc but Shizune still got killed without Katsuyu at least trying to do something.

Well that particular scenario is just one i made up for mini katsuya distributing themselves and where I think it would fit best. It doesn't make it exclusive to there.

It's also not a fact which is the only reason why I don't care to discuss it further here. Especially since the topic of the thread has already been resolved. It just is a waste of time to me to be talking about things that are from here opinionated.

Also don't say Katsuya can't affect a battle is locations most other summons can. She can just by her sheer size. I was just stating a purpose for some smaller ones. Also keep in mind even the smaller katsuya can be bigger than humans or about the size of a human still.

Anything else that is a threat on a battlefield where you have a main opponent can change the stakes ofo a battle. You have to be more vigilant no matter who you are.

 

[DIzmiz01]

Out of every summon, Kastsuya is the least "combat offense"effective