[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?

[Punk Hazard]

One of the resigned and didn't leave on good terms. And although he came back, this time around he was not offered the place freely like before but begged the job, and was forced to drop presumptuous airs.

I suppose Robin is no longer the archaeologist as well, since Luffy didn't reconfirm that when she left and rejoined? You know this argument is as weak as East Blue, stop it.

 

[Avani]

I suppose Robin is no longer the archaeologist as well, since Luffy didn't reconfirm that when she left and rejoined? You know this argument is as weak as East Blue, stop it.

In case of Robin and Nami, Luffy never let them go on his part and unlike Usopp they didn't challenge him for his position. He let go of Usopp after showing him who was the captain and with a parting gift.

 

[Punk Hazard]

In case of Luffy and Nami, Luffy never let them go on his part and unlike Usopp they didn't challenge him for his position. He let go of Usopp and with a parting gift.

Just realized that you didn't even understand the point of my argument. Even if that moment is retracted by Usopp leaving, the point is is that he got further than Zoro ever did. He's not there now, maybe, but at least he got there.

 

[Avani]

Just realized that you didn't even understand the point of my argument. Even if that moment is retracted by Usopp leaving, the point is is that he got further than Zoro ever did. He's not there now, maybe, but at least he got there.

Then you are arguing something that's irrelevant to the thread topic. As far as I 'm concerned I am eliminating whom you proposed as a candidate for the V/C position of Thousand Sunny and current crew, from the race.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Then you are arguing something that's irrelevant to the thread topic. As far as I 'm concerned I am eliminating whom you proposed as a candidate for the V/C position of Thousand Sunny and current crew, from the race.

Don't care in the slightest about the bolded.

Not at all. That was a response to people who have been arguing that Zoro has always been the second in command.

 

[LitzSabr]

38 pages and counting...and the only thing alive in OP section now.
Somebody pls lock this.

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[Avani]

Don't care in the slightest about the bolded.

Not at all. That was a response to people who have been arguing that Zoro has always been the second in command.

Practically yes Zoro has always been the second in command. Usopp didn't ask to be second in command-- he demanded captaincy itself,- repeatedly , over and over he was eyeing that position and looking forward to pushing Luffy down- and then he declared if Luffy screws up he will take over and Luffy says fine. Luffy didn't screw up- Usopp did and here we are.

He wanted to be Hector Barbosa to Luffy the Jack sparrow. He ended up being captain of a sinking ship.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Practically yes Zoro has always been the second in command. Usopp didn't ask to be second in command-- he demanded captaincy itself-repeatedly and then he declared if Luffy screws up he will take over and Luffy says fine. Luffy didn't screw up- Usopp did and here we are.

He actually asked Luffy. He said "I'll take over if you can't, okay?" and Luffy said "Sure."

Practically? What has Zoro done aside from the Usopp situation that asserts him as having been the second in command the entire time? Show me panels of him making crucial decisions for the entire crew for every arc prior to the timeskip?

 

[Avani]

He actually asked Luffy. He said "I'll take over if you can't, okay?" and Luffy said "Sure."

He took over and it sank. Great Usopp get to be a captain who didn't have enough pride to sink with it.

A good first mate is the guy who would save his captain and not let him sink with it when it goes down. Not the one who is waiting for the captain himself to sink to take over.

Practically? What has Zoro done aside from the Usopp situation that asserts him as having been the second in command the entire time?

Zoro doesn't have to do anything. He does it by his sheer persona. :scorps:

Show me panels of him making crucial decisions for the entire crew for every arc prior to the timeskip?

Oh please. I am not going to put that much work in for free.

 

[LitzSabr]

Nothing against usopp bu the guy just isn't first mate material.

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And we all know how shameful his thought process was right before he rejoined the crew in W7. That people believe/want to have from the firstmate of straw hats.

Although of course I disagree but arguing for sanji against zoro would make more sense.

 

[Hexuze]

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This. I'm surprised Caliburn didn't write a 40 page essay here but yes lock this thread.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Oh please. I am not going to put that much work in for free.

I'll save the trouble and tell you that there are none then. Zoro at the very best always gives a suggestion just like every other god damn strawhat.

Also persona alone doesn't make one a VC, that's like saying namis is a captain because of her dominate "persona"

 

[A v i]

This isn't the same. She's giving Luffy options. She's telling him scenarios and asking him to be reasonable. Zoro was attempting to be forceful and to remove the choice from Luffy altogether.

Didn't you say telling is the same thing as commanding? :yeah: It's the same shit with different wording with the only difference being that Zoro made his point explicit and bluntly obvious which is to be expected considering his personality. Nami actually tried way more than Zoro.

 

[Avani]

I'll save the trouble and tell you that there are none then. Zoro at the very best always gives a suggestion just like every other god damn strawhat.

Also persona alone doesn't make one a VC, that's like saying namis is a captain because of her dominate "persona"

That's your opinion and I don't share that view. I don't even think that he has to make some crucial decision in every arc to convince you guys. What will Luffy do?

Instead of waiting for an opportunity where Luffy screws up so that he takes over, Zoro stood there and took all his pain. Luffy can count on him to back him up to best of his abilities. That's a level of selfless loyalty and caliber that I would expect from a first mate, if I were a captain so I find him a better candidate.

The guy who despite being too low in mental as well as physical strength keeps eying the Captain's position is not a guy who is going to be worth the seat as far as I'm concerned. He is just an annoyance and can be a threat at crucial time due to his self-centered nature and will let it blindside him.( as already demonstrated once) Not to mention he keeps getting cold feet and is tempted to run away if left to his own devices and no outside circumstances to egg him on.

If the writer is going for that angle then it's just another "staircase in thin air" scene I couldn't care less about. I am too old to care for antics of Usopp.

 

[loj]

So let me get that straight.Luffy didn't care about Zoro doing that in Zou but Riker does.

You are the only one who care and who is saying the most BS I've seen in my life...the fact that you believe that's disrespect doesn't mean it's disrespect officialy >_<

 

[Punk Hazard]

He took over and it sank. Great Usopp get to be a captain who didn't have enough pride to sink with it.

What the hell are you talking about? Usopp never took over the ship. The ship sank because of the damage it took over the entire voyage up to Water 7, where Luffy led it. By this BS logic, Luffy shouldn't be captain either since it was the voyage HE was leading that led to Merry sinking.

A good first mate is the guy who would save his captain and not let him sink with it when it goes down. Not the one who is waiting for the captain himself to sink to take over.

It's funny how you're chastising Usopp for "waiting for the captain to sink so he can take over" when he and Luffy first join up, but you conveniently forget that Zoro said he'd kill Luffy after he first joined up with Zoro.

If Usopp can't be first mate because of that, then Zoro can't be first mate because he threatened Luffy's life.

Zoro doesn't have to do anything. He does it by his sheer persona. :scorps:

So being an antisocial **** is the persona of a first mate?

Oh please. I am not going to put that much work in for free.

Because the shit doesn't exist.

Didn't you say telling is the same thing as commanding? :yeah:

No I did not.

It's the same shit with different wording with the only difference being that Zoro made his point explicit and bluntly obvious which is to be expected considering his personality. Nami actually tried way more than Zoro.

No it's not. Nami made statements, she told things to Luffy, but she never told him what to do. That's the difference. She told him what he CAN do, Zoro tried to tell him exactly one thing to do with no choice. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

So let me get that straight.Luffy didn't care about Zoro doing that in Zou but Riker does.

You are the only one who care and who is saying the most BS I've seen in my life...the fact that you believe that's disrespect doesn't mean it's disrespect officialy >_<

Step 1: Plant feet firmly on ground

Step 2: Make sure knees are properly bent so as to elevate without harm

Step 3: Extend knees upwards as you position yourself into an upright position. Keep back straight

Step 4: Celebrate that you are now officially off of my nuts

 

[loj]

What the hell are you talking about? Usopp never took over the ship. The ship sank because of the damage it took over the entire voyage up to Water 7, where Luffy led it. By this BS logic, Luffy shouldn't be captain either since it was the voyage HE was leading that led to Merry sinking.



It's funny how you're chastising Usopp for "waiting for the captain to sink so he can take over" when he and Luffy first join up, but you conveniently forget that Zoro said he'd kill Luffy after he first joined up with Zoro.

If Usopp can't be first mate because of that, then Zoro can't be first mate because he threatened Luffy's life.


So being an antisocial **** is the persona of a first mate?



Because the shit doesn't exist.

No I did not.


No it's not. Nami made statements, she told things to Luffy, but she never told him what to do. That's the difference. She told him what he CAN do, Zoro tried to tell him exactly one thing to do with no choice. It's not a hard concept to grasp.



Step 1: Plant feet firmly on ground

Step 2: Make sure knees are properly bent so as to elevate without harm

Step 3: Extend knees upwards as you position yourself into an upright position. Keep back straight

Step 4: Celebrate that you are now officially off of my nuts

So if I said you are a fuking feget does that mean you really are a fuking feget?

You are getting more and more pathetic,making drama over something which isn't even seen as something wrong LOL only 'cause you think so doesn't mean it's something bad...so pathetic.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So if I said you are a fuking feget does that mean you really are a fuking feget?

You are getting more and more pathetic,making drama over something which isn't even seen as something wrong LOL only 'cause you think so doesn't mean it's something bad...so pathetic.

I don't give half a shit what you have to say bruh

 

[loj]

I don't give half a shit what you have to say bruh

Yeah 'cause you can't counter it anyways...you are talking so much BS now,38 pages of your bullshit and not accepting the obvious...you are debating this just for the sake to not end up stupid,where you ended up stupid several times in this thread as of now...just stop this is getting pathetic...fuk me,making drama of something which isn't even considered drama in the first place...how pathetic can you still get? You are the only one who cares about that shit.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You are the only one who cares about that shit.

Then why do you keep coming back to the thread and why do you keep trying to start new conversations with me on every page?