Isn't Naruto's power technically his own?

[The Necromancer]

That's good and all but you are only showing one side chess game, while naruto has a little fox whispering strategies to him the opponent(Sasuke in this case) has a pair of eyes that show possible outcomes and movements, not to mention that it wouldnt be a match if a certain character gave him a new pair of eyes to use.

Comparing a pair of eyes that don't give him any new abilities and don't gain him any boons other than eyesight to an infinite chakra monster with thousands of years of experience, near perfect regeneration, the greatest footspeed boons, and an entire consciousness?

Sounds like a typical Naruto fan. "Sasuke got a handgun so it's equal to Naruto's ICBM."

 

[Michael]

Then you agree that Naruto skillfully uses the handicaps he was given to become powerful?

Because that's the truth.

Never denied it. However you faps bash Naruto as if he's alone in this scenario, sasuke's also in the same boat. Atleast us Naruto fans accept his power, that is afterall who ashura was. Unfortunately sasuke is nothing like indra except emotional, itachi would make a far better indra incarnate.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

1. Thats RSM Naruto, RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke are perfect examples of having borrowed power
2. KCM Naruto is different, he took Kurama's chakra and made it his own to utilize
3. Before you or anyone else argues, BM I can agree to an extent he's borrowing power. But BSM was different because he took BM and combined it with HIS Sage Mode

Dude I'm not even on the sasuke side of things here but he was only able to use his sage mode while in bsm because he finally befriended kurama and what not and kurama let him

 

[90sKids98]

It's not saying he is weak. It's just saying he could not do that particular thing without this chakra entity to aid him. Kurama isn't naturally a part of him or something that can be developed it was put inside him.

His achievements are his own but the really strong ones are result of having kurama or having met the sage. And I don't see why people care that that is the case. It is what it is.

People care because theres always that one person who says its borrowed so it makes him weak then compare him to Sasuke of all people. Then they deny the fact that Sasuke's powers are "borrowed," when we all know without the curse mark and Itachi's eyes Sasuke would have never beaten the opponents he faced.

Dude I'm not even on the sasuke side of things here but he was only able to use his sage mode while in bsm because kurama finally let him

True, but the only reason I see it as Naruto's power is because he's the one fusing his sage mode into Kurama's chakra to enhance his abilities. Other than that yeah to be able to use BM he needed Kurama's cooperation

 

[The Necromancer]

Never denied it. However you faps bash Naruto as if he's alone in this scenario, sasuke's also in the same boat. Atleast us Naruto fans accept his power, that is afterall who ashura was. Unfortunately sasuke is nothing like indra except emotional, itachi would make a far better indra incarnate.

Today I Learned that Michael knows Naruto's power is reliant on his Kyuubi crutches.

Good to know.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

People care because theres always that one person who says its borrowed so it makes him weak then compare him to Sasuke of all people. Then they deny the fact that Sasuke's powers are "borrowed," when we all know without the curse mark and Itachi's eyes Sasuke would have never beaten the opponents he faced.

Not everyone thinks it makes him weak, being able to get people to trust you(especially bijuu) and want to help you with their power is a feat in itself and one of the things that makes naruto as a character strong, at least imo

 

[Michael]

Comparing a pair of eyes that don't give him any new abilities and don't gain him any boons other than eyesight to an infinite chakra monster with thousands of years of experience, near perfect regeneration, the greatest footspeed boons, and an entire consciousness?

Sounds like a typical Naruto fan. "Sasuke got a handgun so it's equal to Naruto's ICBM."

Wether it's in the form of a bijuu or dojutsu, chakra is chakra. With that said Naruto uses Kurama's chakra just how sasuke uses Itachi's, too bad you can't see it for what it is.

#DealWithIt

 

[DIzmiz01]

Naruto: The furthest he can go without Kyuubi is Sage Mode and it probably would have been extremely lethal considering he could fuse with he toads if kurama wasn't there, Also Kishimoto could have just made up another way for him to have a chakra avatar who cares.
-Naruto not using KCM or anything past that would still make it to the 4th shinobi war

Sasuke: The furthest he goes is MS without borrows power and the EMS draining his chakra doesn't make it his own power it's still an implant from his brother and a has allowing him to spam jutsu without losing his sight. Plus without curse mark he dies to deidara....
-Without Itach's eyes or help to acquire the MS which would have only happens from him killing itchy and learning the truth would have been blind, so naruto had kurama while sasuke had Itachi who gifted him power by purposely letting him kill him and acquire the MS.

Conclusion: Naruto in sage mode is more powerful then Sasuke without a MS so therefore without itachi helping sasuke and kurama helping naruto, naruto still wins no bias.

BUT Kurama is inside naruto he can't leave without killing him probably and sasuke did have itach's help and Obito's and Oro's and Taka's aka Kurin to heal him overtime he almost dies which = Kurama and they both got Hagoromo's help so they're even everyone stop being Bi**hes
they both got help and without the help they both would've died

 

[Beatrix]

Naruto got a flawed Chakra Mode by forcibly taking Kurama's chakra - they had to team up to get the full effect, no?

Personally, I'd have liked Kishimoto to apply the 'genius of hard work' theme to Naruto in the development of his using it - instead we get a few failed attempts; almost kills Jiraiya, looses control fighting Orochimaru, looses control against Deidara, almost looses it completely against Pein if not for Minato...

I'd have liked it if he had achieved more, off his own back without Minato, Kushina, Killer B and Kurama himself to hold his hand through it and just hand the power over out of necessity.

 

[The Necromancer]

Wether it's in the form of a bijuu or dojutsu, chakra is chakra. With that said Naruto uses Kurama's chakra just how sasuke uses Itachi's, too bad you can't see it for what it is.

#DealWithIt

Proving me more and more right with every post today.

Sounds like a typical Naruto fan. "Sasuke got a handgun so it's equal to Naruto's ICBM."

 

[Michael]

Proving me more and more right with every post today.

Without sasuke's handicap he'd be blind fodder. Atleast Naruto without Kurama would have sage mode and a proper childhood which make him a far more capable shinobi from a younger age.

 

[Michael]

Naruto: The furthest he can go without Kyuubi is Sage Mode and it probably would have been extremely lethal considering he could fuse with he toads if kurama wasn't there, Also Kishimoto could have just made up another way for him to have a chakra avatar who cares.
-Naruto not using KCM or anything past that would still make it to the 4th shinobi war

Sasuke: The furthest he goes is MS without borrows power and the EMS draining his chakra doesn't make it his own power it's still an implant from his brother and a has allowing him to spam jutsu without losing his sight. Plus without curse mark he dies to deidara....
-Without Itach's eyes or help to acquire the MS which would have only happens from him killing itchy and learning the truth would have been blind, so naruto had kurama while sasuke had Itachi who gifted him power by purposely letting him kill him and acquire the MS.

Conclusion: Naruto in sage mode is more powerful then Sasuke without a MS so therefore without itachi helping sasuke and kurama helping naruto, naruto still wins no bias.

BUT Kurama is inside naruto he can't leave without killing him probably and sasuke did have itach's help and Obito's and Oro's and Taka's aka Kurin to heal him overtime he almost dies which = Kurama and they both got Hagoromo's help so they're even everyone stop being Bi**hes
they both got help and without the help they both would've died

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[The Necromancer]

Without sasuke's handicap he'd be blind fodder. Atleast Naruto without Kurama would have sage mode and a proper childhood which make him a far more capable shinobi from a younger age.

Oh boo hoo. It's over. You've already admitted multiple times to agreeing with my philosophy.

 

[Sir Blades]

Comparing a pair of eyes that don't give him any new abilities and don't gain him any boons other than eyesight to an infinite chakra monster with thousands of years of experience, near perfect regeneration, the greatest footspeed boons, and an entire consciousness?

Sounds like a typical Naruto fan. "Sasuke got a handgun so it's equal to Naruto's ICBM."

Necro before you start slinging mud let me tell you i'm a fan of neither, ANYONE can tell you that. Now lets get back to the issue at hand.

Ive got a better analogy for you, are you familiar with american football? Yes, then basically naruto is the quarterback, kurama is the coach, the quarterback has an earpiece with plays given to him by the coach. The coach can call time-outs, he can suggest and give calls all he wants but its the quarterbacks skill and natural talent that can pull through that play. Kurama's power is an earned power and not a "borrowed" for it is un-replenishable until after it has been used.
Sasuke is the other quarterback with steroids and a new set of eyes that can see plays and movements sans the coach.
Both skills are equal and comparable but its simply a different way of coming down to the same conclusion. You can't try to nitpick and read between the lines based on biased pretenses.
Ive got another analogy for you, kurama is basically a trust fund given to a child that he has to grow on his own while sasuke and his pair of eyes are an inheritance that he has to prevent from diminishing.
Both are wealths but a different means in wealth.

 

[Dannie]

From a Shounen standpoint, yes, it is his power, and that is what Kishi has been trying to prove this entire time, and since Naruto's theme is cooperation, and the fact that Naruto was burdened to live his entire life as Kurama's Jinchuriki, it would only make sense that one day he learned to control Kurama's power and use it as his own.

If you want to be technical, then no. It's not his power. Kurama is a huge source of energy that supplies Naruto with endless chakra, and the moment he learned BM was the moment if became about Kurama. Without Kurama, Naruto cannot use Bijuu mode, Naruto cannot use Kurama avatar, Naruto cannot use anything pertaining to Kurama.

Sage Mode, Rasengans, and Shadow Clones are all Naruto's power.

Pertaining to the Kyubi mode thing, yes, I think that belongs to Naruto as well because he is forcing Kurama to give him chakra and using it for himself without asking him, but without Kurama he would not be able to access even Kyubi mode, so it's a weird condition.

 

[Michael]

Oh boo hoo. It's over. You've already admitted multiple times to agreeing with my philosophy.

How can I agree with something I never denied? :sdo:

You really are delusional.

 

[The Necromancer]

Necro before you start slinging mud let me tell you i'm a fan of neither, ANYONE can tell you that. Now lets get back to the issue at hand.

Ive got a better analogy for you, are you familiar with american football? Yes, then basically naruto is the quarterback, kurama is the coach, the quarterback has an earpiece with plays given to him by the coach. The coach can call time-outs, he can suggest and give calls all he wants but its the quarterbacks skill and natural talent that can pull through that play. Kurama's power is an earned power and not a "borrowed" for it is un-replenishable until after it has been used.
Sasuke is the other quarterback with steroids and a new set of eyes that can see plays and movements sans the coach.
Both skills are equal and comparable but its simply a different way of coming down to the same conclusion. You can't try to nitpick and read between the lines based on biased pretenses.
Ive got another analogy for you, kurama is basically a trust fund given to a child that he has to grow on his own while sasuke and his pair of eyes are an inheritance that he has to prevent from diminishing.
Both are wealths but a different means in wealth.

You seriously want to say Sasuke has steroids, but Naruto just has a little info?

That's the dumbest analogy I've heard. Maybe if Naruto's team was given 20 more players who were all faster and who never got tired, then your analogy would be appropriate.

The Kyuubi gives Naruto a boost to everything he could ever need. Sasuke's handicap gives him back what he already lost, making him break even, then (possibly) gives him a single ability which costs more chakra.

Naruto has always gotten the better abilities more often, and has never lost one, meanwhile Sasuke has lost abilities, gotten useless abilities, and gotten abilities with drawbacks which almost negate the boons they give.

But this isn't about Sasuke, this is about Naruto. And seeing as how the biggest Naruto fanboy of them all has already acknowledged Naruto's insanely massive handicap as being one of the main factors of his success and skill cap, I would say we're done here.

From a Shounen standpoint, yes, it is his power, and that is what Kishi has been trying to prove this entire time, and since Naruto's theme is cooperation, and the fact that Naruto was burdened to live his entire life as Kurama's Jinchuriki, it would only make sense that one day he learned to control Kurama's power and use it as his own.

If you want to be technical, then no. It's not his power. Kurama is a huge source of energy that supplies Naruto with endless chakra, and the moment he learned BM was the moment if became about Kurama. Without Kurama, Naruto cannot use Bijuu mode, Naruto cannot use Kurama avatar, Naruto cannot use anything pertaining to Kurama.

Sage Mode, Rasengans, and Shadow Clones are all Naruto's power.

Pertaining to the Kyubi mode thing, yes, I think that belongs to Naruto as well because he is forcing Kurama to give him chakra and using it for himself without asking him, but without Kurama he would not be able to access even Kyubi mode, so it's a weird condition.

Exactly. It shouldn't take this many years to understand this.

 

[LoZelda101]

From a Shounen standpoint, yes, it is his power, and that is what Kishi has been trying to prove this entire time, and since Naruto's theme is cooperation, and the fact that Naruto was burdened to live his entire life as Kurama's Jinchuriki, it would only make sense that one day he learned to control Kurama's power and use it as his own.

If you want to be technical, then no. It's not his power. Kurama is a huge source of energy that supplies Naruto with endless chakra, and the moment he learned BM was the moment if became about Kurama. Without Kurama, Naruto cannot use Bijuu mode, Naruto cannot use Kurama avatar, Naruto cannot use anything pertaining to Kurama.

Sage Mode, Rasengans, and Shadow Clones are all Naruto's power.

Pertaining to the Kyubi mode thing, yes, I think that belongs to Naruto as well because he is forcing Kurama to give him chakra and using it for himself without asking him, but without Kurama he would not be able to access even Kyubi mode, so it's a weird condition.

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[Nick01]

Without sasuke's handicap he'd be blind fodder. Atleast Naruto without Kurama would have sage mode and a proper childhood which make him a far more capable shinobi from a younger age.

Exactly. Take away Kurama "The supposed handicap" and give Naruto back all the years he spent dealing/tolerating with Kurama. Also the years he spent training with Jiraiya to control that power. All those years could've been better spent to learning/creating new justus. Even unlocking his second affinity next to wind.

 

[JStar King]

Oh boo hoo. It's over. You've already admitted multiple times to agreeing with my philosophy.

Just ignore him. Naruto fans like him are hypocrites. His posts prove it.