[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?
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Being FIRST MATE doesnt automatically make you Vice Captain.
The StrawHats dont work like that. Their is no Vice Captain to give orders, its an open leadership crew with Luffy being the person with the final say since he is the actual CAPTAIN of the Sunny.
Luffy has given multiple strawhats leadership roles, when he was absent. Prime example is when the strawhats fought big moms ship and
Even take the crew who are heading to Wano. Luffy didnt give Zoro direct authority over the crew who went with them. They all have jobs that the must accomplish, no one person is fully in charge.
Strawhats have never had a second in command, power has always been given when needed.
The StrawHats dont work like that. Their is no Vice Captain to give orders, its an open leadership crew with Luffy being the person with the final say since he is the actual CAPTAIN of the Sunny.
Luffy has given multiple strawhats leadership roles, when he was absent. Prime example is when the strawhats fought big moms ship and
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.Even take the crew who are heading to Wano. Luffy didnt give Zoro direct authority over the crew who went with them. They all have jobs that the must accomplish, no one person is fully in charge.
Strawhats have never had a second in command, power has always been given when needed.
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Lmao people still trying to force the opinion of zoro being a VC bruh :lol.
Kiemon confirmed the vice captain of the strawhats tbh :lol
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Kiemon confirmed the vice captain of the strawhats tbh :lol
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If you think I don't know Zoro is considered a swordman in OP then WTF but you can be both swordman and a first mate XD other than him being a swordman he is nothing on the ship which makes zero sencs when everyone else has something on it so it's natural to think what's Zoro's position in SH's without having an official confirmation...you can do 1+1 we've showed you the panels...but this got pathetic second after you went on with "more popular" argument
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There you go missing the point again.
Luffy is a martial artist, and he's labeled the captain.
Sanji is a martial artist, and he's labeled the cook.
Robin is an assassin, and she's labeled the archaeologist.
Chopper is a...thing, and he's labeled the doctor.
Franky is an Optimus Prime, and he's labeled the shipwright.
Brook is a swordsman, and he's labeled the musician.
Nami is a weapons specialist, and she's labeled the navigator.
Usopp is a sniper, and he's labeled, well, a sniper.
Zoro on the other hand, is a swordsman, and he's labeled simply as "fighter." If Zoro's role is to be the vice captain or first mate, then it wouldn't say "fighter," it'd say "vice captain/first mate." Zoro's role begins and ends simply as "fighter," which isn't even a role and something they scraped up because they had to call him something.
Zoro is described as the "fighter" of the group because the vice-captain title isn't official or at least not yet
His role in the crew is still in development. It went from the "if something goes against my goal i'd kill you" to the "i have to protect or support my captain and my crew" kind of behaviour to the point the world as a large is starting to acknowledge him as such. So he is getting there, but it's not yet official
His role in the crew is still in development. It went from the "if something goes against my goal i'd kill you" to the "i have to protect or support my captain and my crew" kind of behaviour to the point the world as a large is starting to acknowledge him as such. So he is getting there, but it's not yet official
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No that picture shows Zoro to represent the SHs, Law to represent the Heart Pirates, and Kin'emon to represent the samurai. He is the leader of the group since he is the one from Wano, and he isn't even a SH so your argument is flawed.
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20 years of manga, and Oda chooses to tease that Zoro might the vice-captain instead of just writing it in one of the 81 text boxes that describe the roles of the crew at the start of every volume. I mean, that makes sense right? Instead of just writing "First Mate" or "Vice-Captain," he writes "fighter," something that applies to each and every single Strawhat. LOL, sure. Till then, Zoro can keep on living in this imaginary role of "unofficial vice-captain" that carries no meaning.
@Bold: HUH-HEY, I see my boy Franky is also well on his way to being the vice captain. While Zoro threatened to kill Luffy, Franky actually attempted to kill Luffy, and now he's willing to die for the man. Looks like Franky is ahead of good ol' Zolo to being the vice-captain by this logic.
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During majority of those 20years, Zoro was in the "if something goes against my goal, i'd kill you" kind of behaviour, so he was only loyal to the crew as long as it was marching towards his own goal. Impossible for such a man to have a vice-captain badge. It's after thriller bark that his development changed into the "i have to protect my captain and my crew". It was one of the purpose of him taking Luffy's pain there, taking the captain's burden and protect the crew on his behalf and it's only from there on out that Oda started giving hints about him being the vice-captain. Not my fault if you're incapable to interprete manga portrayal
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Which is why in the volume that starts the Dressrosa Arc, Zoro is still labeled the "fighter," long after he establishes all this shit that makes him the first mate, right?
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Taking Luffy's pain is meaningless because literally everyone on Thriller Bark volunteered to die for Luffy, even the people they met only that day.
If going from "I'll kill Luffy" to "I'll die for Luffy" is a sign of being the vice captain, then Franky is more the vice captain than Zoro because he actually tried to.
Are you reading me or are you just selecting parts and bullshitting posts? I said it's still in development. It's only recently that the world at a large even started to view him as such, let alone something official then
No it's not. It served its purpose that it was Zoro the one chosen to take it. What the others showed is loyality towards Luffy. Zoro's importance in that scene was different however in the fact that Zoro was actually developing himself as the vice-captain of the strawhats, from deciding to take care of the enemy in Luffy's behalf(Kuma), sacrificing himself for his captain and kicking another crewmates(Sanji) in order to take the burden of the whole crew in himself. So it was basically Zoro acting like the vice-captain of the strawhats and it's also why ever since then he takes the crew's structure more seriously from taking control of the Ryugu Palace in Luffy's behalf, scolding Luffy about now joking around and warning about the dangerosity of the new world, or the speech on Zou. Former Zoro was never thinking this way
Again talking nonsense why actually missing the point of a post. Not sure if i have enough energy to explain this shit
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How recently are we talking? Also, can you show me where the entire world is starting to consider Zoro the first mate?
Also, what the world thinks at large doesn't determine what Oda writes in those boxes. The world at large thinks Chopper is merely the pet of the crew. By your logic, Oda should be writing "pet" there. Nope, he wrote "Doctor," meaning regardless of if the world has caught up, if he wanted Zoro to be the first mate, that's what would be written there.
Untrue. Zoro has given "no-nonsense" talks since Robin was first integrating in the crew. Robin has also warned Luffy of the dangers of the New World, such as trying to make sure he knew what an alliance with Law would be like, giving him information on his father, and informing him of the status of the Yonko. Zoro's speech on Zou means nothing since Luffy ignored it completely and went after Sanji anyways. The Zoro knocking out Sanji thing for the well-being of the crew is also outclassed by Sanji kicking Luffy through a bookcase because he was letting his anger cloud his judgement as a captain.
Convenient how your logic is now nonsense when you swap out the names, even though it has the same level of truth to it.
Did you or did you not say that Zoro going from threatening to kill Luffy if he got in the way of the dream, to sacrificing his dream and his life is an indication of his growth as the vice-captain?
Did or did not Franky go through this exact same development, actually attempting to kill Luffy before being completely devoted to him?
It's your logic. Franky's name being in it isn't what makes it nonsense.
Man Riker has murdered you on ever single inner faction of this argument just give up he's rendered every part of your stance on this topic obliterated. You can't fight that logic gotta give credit where credit is do your absolutely right Riker
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Just look guys...Zoro is just popular that has nothing to do with fact that Luffy is always calling for Zoro but whatever Riker is always right.Find it funny how out of all people he is the only one against anything obvious xd How he still didn't realize out of so many panels is beyond me
That has honestly have to be the dumbest most fanboy thing I've heard in a while. For one zoro cannot beat luffy never gonna by saying zoro can take luffy out means zoro's power surpasses gear 4 luffy and that's pure garbage. Zoro is not the second strongest because him and sanji are equally powerful as the wings of the future pirate King. We've already seen that a vice captain doesn't mean the first to join in the case of sabo. Another instance could in fact be Marco the first division commander of the whitebeard pirates seeing as Marco is so young and whitebeard was so old I doubt Marco was the first to join whitebeard. Speculation yes but another thing that could back this up is that whitebeard knew shanks since he was a kid on Rodgers ship in yet when shanks and whitebeard met to have a meeting shanks looked whitebeard' screw saying your Marco aren't you as if they've never met and asking him to join his crew. Showing that while shanks was on Rodgers crew Marco wasn't on whitebeard a crew because those to crews clashed a multitude of times. This further proves the point that first to join isn't always second in command.
Only because your not a fan of the series but you added in things that don't make sense. It doesn't make to much sense to not have a great or even respectable insight on something and add in nonsense it helps nothing is all I'm saying.Im not a fan of the series, I dont even keep up on it like that, I just watch it whenever someone else is watching it.
therefore i cannot be a fanboy.
however, you seem to be very rustled.
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"Kiemon's team" what is there to argue? Kie'mon, a non-strawhat is the strawhats/Heart pirates leader. As far as I remmeber brownbeard is not a strawhat either, thus any incident of zoro being mentioned at the beginning while referring to the strawhats is by no means good evidence
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