EMS Sasuke vs war arc MS Kakashi

[BLAZE]

And this guy is turning this section into half assed GDS horsecrap :lol

Without Susanoo it can go eitherway

 

[ComplexCity]

Lol



Explain.

Rather not getting too circular


Kakashi having killing intent is irrelevant now? :lol

Again, putting words in my mouth the point was irrelevant. He had killing intent before Sasuke didn't repent from taking on Sakura's determination to kill Sasuke

But the Manga showed that he doesn't. :lol So lets cut the crap already.

Manga also showed Danzo didn't defeat Sasuke next thing you know since the manga didn't show that means Danzo is incapable of defeating an exhausted Sasuke because... manga

-You say that Kakashi has the capability to defeat Sasuke.
-Yet the Manga has literally shown us that he couldn't

The same way Danzo didn't defeat Sasuke or the same way Kimimaro not defeating Gaara

Just like the Madaratards who say "Madara has the capability to beat Hashirama", despite the Manga already giving us the answer, that Hashirama would put Madara on his neck if they were to fight again. You sound dumb saying "I'm not debating the events that happened in the Manga" when the events that happened in the Manga are fact. Point blank period. Basically you are ignoring the Manga in favor of what you want to believe. :lol

Are you retarded I just said that I'm not arguing the events that happened in the manga. I'm arguing from a VS perspective. Your example doesn't make a lick of sense seeing as those two groups had monumental factors between them.


Lmfao and now you prove my point, that you are doing nothing but making shitty ass excuses because you aren't satisfied with what happened in fucking canon.


Making excuses? I've already accepted what happened in the canon. Don't know what you're going on about.


-Danzo chose not to use KA because he wanted to save it for Obito. That's why he lost. That is a case with a reason why Danzo held back power. There is no such thing here beside your petty attempt to rewrite canon and say that Kakashi could've won if he wanted to without any logical and stated reason from the Manga.

Just as Kakashi didn't choose to snipe Sasuke as he could have done so after taking Sakura's intent to kill Sasuke. You're contradicting yourself yet again. You're saying Kakashi took on the intent to kill at a certain after stating Kakashi already took on Sakura's intent to kill. This is no different from me saying Danzo lost in the canon to Sasuke because he was incapable of defeating him when the manga canon showed us that Sasuke defeating him. This is no different from saying Gaara can beat Kimimaro despite the manga showing and hinting that it was possible because the manga showed us Kimi losing to Gaara


-Gamabunta doesn't obey Naruto. Gamabunta wasn't going to help him fight Shukaku at first yet you think he'd obey Naruto if Naruto called him to fight a 12 yr. old kid? Lol. Another instance where there is a logical reason Naruto didn't do what you think he could've done to won.

The f**k do you keep repeating this for? I know what would happen based on manga events so stop repeating this.

-Kakashi had no reason to hold back his power against Sasuke, and guess what the result of that fight was? Oh wait, he couldn't win while Sasuke powered up to V4 and was about to murk him before he went blind.


Bold is something we're always going to be at odds with

And yet, he didn't have Susanno any more, why? Because he went blind. I guess by your logic since Sakura interfered Kakashi didn't have the ability to defeat Sasuke in that time either


FOH with this bullshit.

There is no bullshit again you're contradicting yourself yet again and twisting my words.

 

[KidGamer65]

Manga also showed Danzo didn't defeat Sasuke next thing you know since the manga didn't show that means Danzo is incapable of defeating an exhausted Sasuke because... manga

Nope. Manga gave a reason why Danzo didn't defeat Sasuke w/ KA. Manga didn't give a reason why Kakashi failed to defeat Sasuke at the bridge. Lmfao. Nice try though sonny boy.

The same way Danzo didn't defeat Sasuke or the same way Kimimaro not defeating Gaara

Once again, Manga gave a reason why Kimimaro didn't defeat Gaara, because he died before he could. Is this really the best that puny ass brain of yours can come up with?

Are you retarded I just said that I'm not arguing the events that happened in the manga. I'm arguing from a VS perspective. Your example doesn't make a lick of sense seeing as those two groups had monumental factors between them.

Fuck you and your VS. perspective. Lmfao. That's not how it works. When a VS thread is made of a fight that happened in the Manga, you refer to the fucking Manga. End. Of. Story. Kishimoto's say on how a fight goes down is more important than some crybaby fan who won't accept what was drawn.

And no, this is literally no different, hence you not giving an explanation for why it's different. You think Kakashi could've won had he done something different. Madaratards think that Madara would've won had he done something different. People who aren't fanboys/morons/illiterates agree with what the author showed us.

Making excuses? I've already accepted what happened in the canon. Don't know what you're going on about.

-Says he's not making excuses.
-Says he's accepted what happened in canon.

Is trying to tell me that Kakashi can defeat MS Sasuke despite what happened in canon. :lol Ok bro. Keep on making them excuses.

Just as Kakashi didn't choose to snipe Sasuke as he could have done so after taking Sakura's intent to kill Sasuke. You're contradicting yourself yet again. You're saying Kakashi took on the intent to kill at a certain after stating Kakashi already took on Sakura's intent to kill. This is no different from me saying Danzo lost in the canon to Sasuke because he was incapable of defeating him when the manga canon showed us that Sasuke defeating him. This is no different from saying Gaara can't beat Kimimaro despite the manga showing and hinting that it was possible because the manga showed us Kimi losing to Gaara

Bold is an excuse, one that has been addressed. What happened is what happened. Kakashi lost because Kakashi wasn't strong enough. You are going to have just deal with it.

-The bold is not only false but it doesn't make sense, yet you are the one crying about me twisting your words. Lmao. Kakashi always had the intent to kill. That's what I said. He had the intent to kill Sasuke the moment he showed up. That's what I said. Jesus ****ing christ. Try learning how to follow an argument. Kakashi had the intent to kill from the moment the fight started so tell me more about your foolish excuses are valid. Not sure where you are getting all this "took on the intent to kill after a certain point" BS from but it's definitely not my posts. Try reading. He had the intent to kill when he fought Sasuke, and at the very least he had the intent to defeat him yet he failed to do so. Quit making excuses. You look pathetic.

The f**k do you keep repeating this for? I know what would happen based on manga events so stop repeating this.

When you stop making idiotic excuses like "blah blah blah, Kakashi coulda done this or this or this". I don't give a damn. I only care about what happened in the Manga and Kishimoto showed us what happens if Kakashi fights MS Sasuke. It doesn't end well for Kakashi. You keep on crying about "what if" "what if" when "what if" is irrelevant when the fight already happened.

Bold is something we're always going to be at odds with

Concession accepted. Don't reply to me if you are going to argue only to not concede simply because you don't want to, because there's literally no other reason for you to hold onto the argument that Kakashi held back as the Manga has given you no other reason.

And yet, he didn't have Susanno any more, why? Because he went blind. I guess by your logic since Sakura interfered Kakashi didn't have the ability to defeat Sasuke in that time either

Lmao not only do you not make a shred of sense (as usual), what you are saying here is irrelevant to the point. If Sasuke hadn't gone blind there, Kakashi would've lost. Fact. Meaning Kakashi cannot defeat MS Sasuke. How hard is that to understand? Shouldn't and wouldn't be hard if you'd just pull your head out of your ass.

Again, FOH with the bullshit. I'm not with it.

 

[ComplexCity]

snip.

I'm done don't feel like going through this anymore. Are you srsly saying though that my points lead to the conclusion that I feel MS Kakashi can beat an MS Sasuke? Please show me where the f**k I said that asshat

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm done don't feel like going through this anymore. Are you srsly saying though that my points lead to the conclusion that I feel MS Kakashi can beat an MS Sasuke? Please show me where the f**k I said that asshat

Kakashi could have sniped Sasuke whilst he was preparing the arrows

In response to me saying that Sasuke can beat Kakashi as the Manga showed:

Comon dude. He had Kamui at his disposal, we aren't going to argue that a near blind Sasuke = MS Kakashi now are we?

Don't fucking backtrack pal.

 

[ComplexCity]

In response to me saying that Sasuke can beat Kakashi as the Manga showed:



Don't fucking backtrack pal.

Yet you ignored my previous post, which was in the response to the OP

Is Sasuke not getting Kamui sniped?

This it would be a matter of who could get their dojutsu's off first seeing as how Kakashi knows about the arrows

Like I said prior, was never arguing against the manga. This was a VS thread yet you're telling me not to use VS logic. What a d**khead. I never stated that a fully healed Sasuke would lose to MS Kakashi when Sasuke has Sussano my logic was coming from a VS perspective

 

[KidGamer65]

Yet you ignored my previous post



Like I said prior, was never arguing against the manga. This was a VS thread yet you're telling me not to you VS logic. What a d**khead

I've already addressed your idiotic logic far too many times tonight. Don't fucking quote me again. :lol

 

[LoZelda101]

Nope. Manga gave a reason why Danzo didn't defeat Sasuke w/ KA. Manga didn't give a reason why Kakashi failed to defeat Sasuke at the bridge. Lmfao. Nice try though sonny boy.



Once again, Manga gave a reason why Kimimaro didn't defeat Gaara, because he died before he could. Is this really the best that puny ass brain of yours can come up with?



Fuck you and your VS. perspective. Lmfao. That's not how it works. When a VS thread is made of a fight that happened in the Manga, you refer to the fucking Manga. End. Of. Story. Kishimoto's say on how a fight goes down is more important than some crybaby fan who won't accept what was drawn.

And no, this is literally no different, hence you not giving an explanation for why it's different. You think Kakashi could've won had he done something different. Madaratards think that Madara would've won had he done something different. People who aren't fanboys/morons/illiterates agree with what the author showed us.



-Says he's not making excuses.
-Says he's accepted what happened in canon.

Is trying to tell me that Kakashi can defeat MS Sasuke despite what happened in canon. :lol Ok bro. Keep on making them excuses.



Bold is an excuse, one that has been addressed. What happened is what happened. Kakashi lost because Kakashi wasn't strong enough. You are going to have just deal with it.

-The bold is not only false but it doesn't make sense, yet you are the one crying about me twisting your words. Lmao. Kakashi always had the intent to kill. That's what I said. He had the intent to kill Sasuke the moment he showed up. That's what I said. Jesus ****ing christ. Try learning how to follow an argument. Kakashi had the intent to kill from the moment the fight started so tell me more about your foolish excuses are valid. Not sure where you are getting all this "took on the intent to kill after a certain point" BS from but it's definitely not my posts. Try reading. He had the intent to kill when he fought Sasuke, and at the very least he had the intent to defeat him yet he failed to do so. Quit making excuses. You look pathetic.



When you stop making idiotic excuses like "blah blah blah, Kakashi coulda done this or this or this". I don't give a damn. I only care about what happened in the Manga and Kishimoto showed us what happens if Kakashi fights MS Sasuke. It doesn't end well for Kakashi. You keep on crying about "what if" "what if" when "what if" is irrelevant when the fight already happened.



Concession accepted. Don't reply to me if you are going to argue only to not concede simply because you don't want to, because there's literally no other reason for you to hold onto the argument that Kakashi held back as the Manga has given you no other reason.



Lmao not only do you not make a shred of sense (as usual), what you are saying here is irrelevant to the point. If Sasuke hadn't gone blind there, Kakashi would've lost. Fact. Meaning Kakashi cannot defeat MS Sasuke. How hard is that to understand? Shouldn't and wouldn't be hard if you'd just pull your head out of your ass.

Again, FOH with the bullshit. I'm not with it.

@bolds. interesting, does this apply to restrictions and character quotes? example

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(sorry it's alot lol) but would these quotes and/or circumstances apply to your bold statements? I'm having confusions because kishi every fcuking time always having some excuse for so and so or he'll have them say something to impress the other despite the circumstances clearly showing something else. in a VS argument, you say refer to the manga if it happened. but what about naruto vs sasuke? the bijuus are not there.

 

[Draegod]

They don't need to be. They weren't faster than Kamui before yet Sasuke still had Kakashi pinned.

Kakashi wasnt trying to snipe Sasuke. Fact!
Kakashi didnt know about Susanoo ever! Fact!
No susanoo can spamm the arrows back to back, Arrows are stright useless.
That isnt war arc Kakashi (who used Kamui 7+ times with no draw backs. Fact!


Even with susanoo, Kakshi rapes with full knowledge! He can Kamui himself, then kamui inside PS and instant Snipe! This isnt even up for debate especially when youre using a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy weaker Kakashi. lol

 

[Oblivionx]

Without susano kakashi slaughters him.. with it sasuke wins...

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Kakashi doesn't have the chakra to keep up in a prolonged battle even if he's able to counter EMS Sasuke's attacks at first.

 

[Edogawa]

Kakashi wins via Kamui. He can snipe almost instantly, able to wrap before Summoning Jutsu which is instant. Sasuke wouldn't see it coming. However, restricting that and Sasuke would win due to his superior Raiton variation, Choku Tomoe and Enton.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi wasnt trying to snipe Sasuke. Fact!
Kakashi didnt know about Susanoo ever! Fact!
No susanoo can spamm the arrows back to back, Arrows are stright useless.
That isnt war arc Kakashi (who used Kamui 7+ times with no draw backs. Fact!


Even with susanoo, Kakshi rapes with full knowledge! He can Kamui himself, then kamui inside PS and instant Snipe! This isnt even up for debate especially when youre using a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy weaker Kakashi. lol

-Kakashi said he was going to defeat Sasuke. Fact!
-Kakashi knowing about Susanoo is irrelevant. Kakashi saw V3 Susanoo, and then when Sasuke leveled up to Stage 4, he responded with "Bad News!". Doesn't sound like someone who could've taken out Sasuke at any moment. :lol
-Irrelevant again. He doesn't need to be able to spam the arrows when spamming isn't needed to force Kakashi to warp them with Kamui as shown in the Manga. Even if you wanted to try and argue this, Sasuke has Magatama that he can spam.
-That's also irrelevant. Him being able to use Kamui more times is a moot point to bring unless you are going to grace us with the statement that Kakashi is going to outlast EMS Sasuke. :lol

Lmao. Kakashi tries to Kamui himself, and then he gets killed by Amaterasu or killed by a Susanoo Arrow if he's close enough. Kamui's self warping isn't faster than either at close range, and not faster than Amaterasu at any range. Quit this nonsense about a way weaker Kakashi when the only major difference is that he can use Kamui more than once.

-Match starts.
-Amaterasu and Kamui are used.
-Kakashi dies.

-Match starts.
-Kakashi tries to warp into Susanoo like you claim he will.
-Amaterasu or Susanoo Arrow kill him.

 

[KidGamer65]

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(sorry it's alot lol) but would these quotes and/or circumstances apply to your bold statements? I'm having confusions because kishi every fcuking time always having some excuse for so and so or he'll have them say something to impress the other despite the circumstances clearly showing something else. in a VS argument, you say refer to the manga if it happened. but what about naruto vs sasuke? the bijuus are not there.

Yes, unless there's some kind of blatant evidence that what is being isn't the case. It's even more valid when it comes from the character in question here.

-So yes, Itachi would've destroyed Sasuke had he wanted to (we all know that) and that was told to us via Obito's statement.
-Hebi Sasuke can't beat full power Oro as per Sasuke's statement up there.
-Yes, Sasuke can't absorb and attack at the same time at VoTE 2
-Not sure what the point of the "I need the Bijus" scan is. Same with the Nagato scan.

 

[Draegod]

-Kakashi said he was going to defeat Sasuke. Fact!
-Kakashi knowing about Susanoo is irrelevant. Kakashi saw V3 Susanoo, and then when Sasuke leveled up to Stage 4, he responded with "Bad News!". Doesn't sound like someone who could've taken out Sasuke at any moment. :lol
-Irrelevant again. He doesn't need to be able to spam the arrows when spamming isn't needed to force Kakashi to warp them with Kamui as shown in the Manga. Even if you wanted to try and argue this, Sasuke has Magatama that he can spam.
-That's also irrelevant. Him being able to use Kamui more times is a moot point to bring unless you are going to grace us with the statement that Kakashi is going to outlast EMS Sasuke. :lol

Lmao. Kakashi tries to Kamui himself, and then he gets killed by Amaterasu or killed by a Susanoo Arrow if he's close enough. Kamui's self warping isn't faster than either at close range, and not faster than Amaterasu at any range. Quit this nonsense about a way weaker Kakashi when the only major difference is that he can use Kamui more than once.

-Match starts.
-Amaterasu and Kamui are used.
-Kakashi dies.

-Match starts.
-Kakashi tries to warp into Susanoo like you claim he will.
-Amaterasu or Susanoo Arrow kill him.

- Reread what I typed, 'He wasnt trying to snipe sasuke", Fact! DO not try to type stuff I never stated.
- It's irrelevant because you said so? lmmfao Ill just type Irrelevant to th erest of your post then.

Ama doesnt kill instantly nor fast Fact! Kamui does kill instantly. The two jutsu's does not compare. Kakshi can wark the flames away like cannon fact. after he is hit while sasuke dies from his head being gone. The uchiha fans are worse then ever thinking Ama is a Instant win when it hits. lol

You type if both Kamui and Ama is used Kakshi ends up dead and not sasuke (lmmfao this was rich as fuq!). Then you say he can use susanoo arrow inside his Susanoo now? Damn keep the fanfic coming! If you think that kakashi is even comparable to War arc kakshi when that kakshi died after using 2 kamuis in pain arc and a few jutsu's then this convo is done. lmmfao

War arc kakashi rapes MS sasuke only a retard would think otherwise. And beats EMS since Kamui is literally instant death, as opposed to ama (his fastest move) taking time to kill (fact, with zero deaths) and being removed via Cannon Kamui facts! Try ignoring the manga again would ya. lol

 

[KidGamer65]

- Reread what I typed, 'He wasnt trying to snipe sasuke", Fact! DO not try to type stuff I never stated.
- It's irrelevant because you said so? lmmfao Ill just type Irrelevant to th erest of your post then.

Ama doesnt kill instantly nor fast Fact! Kamui does kill instantly. The two jutsu's does not compare. Kakshi can wark the flames away like cannon fact. after he is hit while sasuke dies from his head being gone. The uchiha fans are worse then ever thinking Ama is a Instant win when it hits. lol

You type if both Kamui and Ama is used Kakshi ends up dead and not sasuke (lmmfao this was rich as fuq!). Then you say he can use susanoo arrow inside his Susanoo now? Damn keep the fanfic coming! If you think that kakashi is even comparable to War arc kakshi when that kakshi died after using 2 kamuis in pain arc and a few jutsu's then this convo is done. lmmfao

War arc kakashi rapes MS sasuke only a retard would think otherwise. And beats EMS since Kamui is literally instant death, as opposed to ama (his fastest move) taking time to kill (fact, with zero deaths) and being removed via Cannon Kamui facts! Try ignoring the manga again would ya. lol

Nope. It's irrelevant for the reasons stated.

-Then don't bother bringing that up, because if he was there to defeat Sasuke and he showed that he couldn't and showed that his Susanoo was bad news instead of him being confident he can take out, it means that "Kamui snipe GG" isn't a valid argument. Why would Kakashi be shook at the sight of v4 Susanoo if he could one shot it like you claim? Oh wait, just more of the nonsensical Kamui wank that used to be rampant on this forum. :lol

Amaterasu doesn't need to kill instantly nor did I say it kills instantly. Once Kakashi gets hit square in the face and the torso not only will his Kamui attempt be rendered null and void, but his vision will be blinded and his face will be burnt off. Or are you going to tell me that Kakashi uses magic to see through the flames, ignore the fact his face and torso is on fire and properly aim Kamui even though Obito got hit by the flames and screamed like a bitch and even staggered back a few feet? :lol Kakashi warping the flame away from his body is fanfiction. Obito can warp anything touching him or that he's touching to the other dimension. Kakashi can warp himself and things that he can see. He can't see the entirety of flame all over his body so he can't warp it away.

-Match starts.
-Amaterasu and Kamui are used.
-Kamui barrier spawns on Sasuke, Amaterasu spawns on Kakashi's face.
-Kamui warp is cancelled right then and there since Kakashi will be rolling on the floor in pain and w/ his vision blinded. Then he dies. Simple as that.

For the idiotic scenario you describe to happen, Kamui would have to spawn the warp barrier on Sasuke and warp his head faster than Amaterasu can spawn on Kakashi's body, but considering Amaterasu and Kamui's barrier would spawn just as fast as each other, Kamui doesn't complete it's warping before Kakashi's face turns to a pile of biological goop. Kamui is instant death when it hits you tool, doesn't make it instant.

Lmfao, who said he'd use Susanoo Arrow inside Susanoo? Read so you don't sound like an imbecile. I said if Kakashi tries to warp in Susanoo, he gets hit by Amaterasu or Susanoo Arrow mid warp. Retards these days. And when you can show me the difference between War Kakashi and That Kakashi that isn't more stamina and extra Raiton Jutsu you can cry about how War Kakashi is way stronger. Until then do us all a favor and shut the fuck up about things you can't support with evidence from the Manga.

YCanon showed that MS Kakashi can't beat MS Sasuke. Canon showed that V4 Susanoo is

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for Kakashi even w/ the wanked to high hell jutsu he possesses. EMS Sasuke kills him with ease. You haven't even countered shit tbh but considering how much of a shitty poster you are I can't really be surprised. FOH with the bullshit and don't quote me again unless you something intelligent to add to this discussion.

 

[LoZelda101]

Yes, unless there's some kind of blatant evidence that what is being isn't the case. It's even more valid when it comes from the character in question here.

-So yes, Itachi would've destroyed Sasuke had he wanted to (we all know that) and that was told to us via Obito's statement.
-Hebi Sasuke can't beat full power Oro as per Sasuke's statement up there.
-Yes, Sasuke can't absorb and attack at the same time at VoTE 2
-Not sure what the point of the "I need the Bijus" scan is. Same with the Nagato scan.

ok thanks. ignore the "i need bijuus" scans, the nagato one was about his leg mobility.

 

[Draegod]

Trash ass response

LMMFAO The same old KG running and changing his arguments like the retard he is. No wonder this site is shit, ppl like you still think their opinions matter.

You literally countered nothing with Zero evidence. Him saying "bad news" never ever means "I lost" or "I cannot beat sasuke". lmmfao he was literally about to snipe Obito but cant snipe sasuke? lmmfao you are as retarded as ever! Never mind the fact you think tht sasuke can beat War arc kakshi. XD

I have a life to get back to, keep on fighting the good fight kiddo. Maybe one day you'll make a name for yourself in the Naruto corp. of America!! This is clearly your life even when Naruto/site is dead. But its clear as day you have nothing better to do then talk naruto 24/7. I'll pray for you kiddo.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Kakashi wins .kamui has faster execution time than amatrasu with feats .

 

[EZQ]

Lol why are you trying to argue what the Manga has shown? That's something people love to do far too often. Argue against fact. Him being near blind is irrelevant as he can still access Susanoo, which is his full power. The Manga has shown that MS Kakashi couldn't kill MS Sasuke even w/ Kamui. You say "he wasn't trying to kill him", yet the Manga says he was and there is literally nothing in said Manga that'd allow you to argue that Kakashi lied when he said he was going to kill Sasuke with his own hands, so let's not. :lol

If we talk about completely out of character, then technically, if they both start in base, Sasuke has to activate susano and then shoot the arrow. The little difference from the bridge case was that Sasuke shooted the arrow and just then Kakashi had the iniciative to warp.

If the fight starts with Kakashi seeking a snipe, he might get it, if Sasuke doesn't already start in susano