Six Paths of Pain vs Prime Itachi

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I don't think you understand. uchiha clan are descendants of indra who was born with the sage's eyes. by default they have powerful chakra, which outclasses anyone who doesn't.

Yet nagato outclassed an uchiha who couldn't even handle a single rinnegan and outclassed 99.9% of any uchiha clan member when it comes to wielding Dojutsu
:lmao:

Same goes for kakashi


mangekyou uchiha potential = rinnegan by itself.
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Pain was fast enough to dodge Rasenshuriken, Amaterasu won't be a problem if he can see it coming Clones sent at Preta Path would be Ninjutsu, and Ninjutsu can be absorbed. Create a Preta Barrier as they attack and the clones are done. Itachi getting behind him is also nearly impossible if he has not only his six paths looking at him, but all the Animal Path summons looking out for him.

? flames should be faster, if not then the initial burst of the flames is but not the tracking. yes, depending on their distance preta or deva should be able to jump in front of them to cancel it. but that is no problem, itachi would just respond by summoning 2-3 clones, have them separate into further directions to force the paths to separate.

the real itachi will go susanoo to force the relevant pains (deva/preta) to focus on it as a distractions, they'll close in on itachi for petra to absorb susanoo, and while he is absorbing, itachi will jump out of susanoo to physically take him down no problem. as for the less important paths who are focusing on the other clones, itachi(s) gets in close range and dismantles them with amaterasu sweep, getting rid of them and it's paths animals.

once again, deva pain is on his own facing the real itachi who just got rid of preta path. pain will likely resort to ST to push them away which works and disperses the clones however the real itachi uses susanoo to keep him alive and from fatal injury. itachi summon 1 clone (SC or CC), the real itachi uses a giant fire ball release which shinra tensei countered, then pain uses his gravitational pull to grab the real itachi and stabs him in the heart. pain wins :lol oh wait... no, it disperse into crows/or explodes (depending on the clone he used) to feint pain, while the real itachi shuishin towards pain and dismantles it with susanoo karate chop :lmao:


@ are you sure pain is even a sensor? nagato has it but I thought only rinnegan was transferred.
@yes itachi has shown to separate himself from and still maintain susanoo
@ crow feint is still effective against sensors
@ amaterasu sweep like sasuke did against DSM kabuto's cave spikes.
@ worst case scenerio, itachi could just use his susanoo and it's sword to sweep the field.
@ yes, itachi has been shown to trick kurenai into believing he was the clone and vice versa.
 
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Yet nagato outclassed an uchiha who couldn't even handle a single rinnegan and outclassed 99.9% of any uchiha clan member when it comes to wielding Dojutsu
:lmao:

Same goes for kakashi



:lmao:

I don't know what you're laughing at tbh cause anyone who read the manga knows

1. obito only had 1 sharingan. (madara says 2 of the sames shows it's true potential)

2. claim obito was inferior yet his least offensive 1 sharingan eye was able to get this far in the series, nagato lost to SM naruto :lol

3. you keep claiming obito can't handle using rinnegan, but again. what does that prove? lol nothing?

4. I've already debunked your ridiculous dojutsu tier list claims so now you resort to going back to nagato's uzumaki genes. :lol

5. you laugh but PS, double kamui out classes him in every way.

6. you have super yang liking your post, that automatically makes me right LOL
 
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Itachi has a high chance to win, but I favor Pain. It all depends on knowledge and some other things tbh.

how does he win then? susanoo sweep? amat sweep? i'm sure it incorporates one of these since it's the most logical.
 

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? flames should be faster, if not then the initial burst of the flames is but not the tracking. yes, depending on their distance preta or deva should be able to jump in front of them to cancel it. but that is no problem, itachi would just respond by summoning 2-3 clones, have them seperate into further directions to force the paths to separate.

the real itachi will go susanoo to force the relevant pains (deva/preta) to focus on it as a distractions, they'll close in on itachi for petra to absorb susanoo, and while he does it, itachi will jump out of susanoo to physically take him down no problem. as for the less important paths who are focusing on the other clones, itachi(s) gets in close range and dismantles them with amaterasu sweep, getting rid of them and it's paths animals.

once again, deva pain is on his own facing the real itachi who just got rid of preta path. pain will likely resort to ST to push them away which works however the real itachi uses susanoo to keep him alive and from fatal injury. itachi summon summons 1 clone (SC or CC), the real itachi uses a giant fire ball release which shinra tensei countered, then pain uses his gravitational pull to grab the real itachi and stabs him in the heart. pain wins :lol oh wait... no, it disperse into crows/or explodes (depending on the clone he used) to feint pain, while the real itachi shuishin towards pain and dismantles it with susanoo karate chop :lmao:


@ are you sure pain is even a sensor? nagato has it but I thought only rinnegan was transferred.
@yes itachi has shown to separate himself from and still maintain susanoo
@ crow feint is still effective against sensors
@ amaterasu sweep like sasuke did against DSM kabuto's cave spikes.
@ worst case scenerio, itachi could just use his susanoo and it's sword to sweep the field.

Lot of assumption, too little fact.

If Pain can sense the Amaterasu coming by feeling the pressure, Amaterasu is negated Deva Pain can cancel it, Preta Pain can cancel it and Animal Pain can summon any of the two above to cancel it. Besides, like I said, Pain dodged the Rasenshuriken at a near point blank in tight circumstances which should give him the ability to dodge the worst of the Amaterasu if he can see it coming, and if he can dodge the worst of it, reaching Preta is easy. Animal Pain can bring all the others back together, after all, so disipating them is pointless. If any of the clones try and approach the paths in Taijutsu, they're done for. Deve Shinra Tensei's them, Preta absorbs them, Human can take another person's soul with touch alone, Animal has its summons to protect it and Asura is a human artillery. The only one they could win against is Naraka, which is, due to the formation, the most well protected Pain.

Animal Path alone in this situation could handicap Itachi GREATLY. Itachi is not a hard hitter, so there are no jutsu in his inventory that could take down a summon of that size with force alone. The thing that comes the closest is the Clone Explosion, ut even that is not that damaging. Each of those guys would need a use of his Mangekyo to put down. The dog in special, unless he uses Amaterasu riht away, could become a massive problem.
 
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1. obito only had 1 sharingan. (madara says 2 of the sames shows it's true potential)

I already know this, Kamui is so broken that double kamui shits on alot of things, Regardless if the user is inferior in terms of power/Eye power or what ever it is.


2. claim obito was inferior yet his least offensive 1 sharingan eye was able to get this far in the series, nagato lost to SM naruto :lol

The sheer power of the rinengan was to much for him to handle, Even with Senju improvements.
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So much for your "by default they have powerful chakra, which outclasses anyone who doesn't." statement huh.

and that one eye as iv'e said obito has one of the most broken jutsu's that has ever existed in the NV

3. you keep claiming obito can't handle using rinnegan, but again. what does that prove? lol nothing?

Yes it does. It proves that the raw ocular power of Madara's rinnegan is immense even when transplanted, So much so that even uchiha who have MS of their own struggle to control it's power.

4. I've already debunked your ridiculous dojutsu tier list claims so now you resort to going back to nagato's uzumaki genes. :lol

You didn't debunk anything
It's only natural that the evolution of the sharingan gains more and more ocular power as it evolves. It's not really that hard of a concept to grasp.

Sasuke's ocular power grew when he got MS, More so when he got EMS, Same goes for any sharingan evolution, Same goes for rinnegan

All you showed was breaking breaking tsukuyomi against Itachi who had no intent to kill, Whist being on his death bed and being weaker than he normally was.

5. you laugh but PS, double kamui out classes him in every way.

Kamui is an extremely broken technique, Madara with rinnegan eclipses obito in Ocular power but Kamui is still a threat to him because of how broken it is. Doesn't mean obito is close to him in ocular power though.


As for perfect susanoo, The only two uchiha's to unlock is had EMS and were speical in terms of being connected to indra, While others were not.
Sasuke/Madara's EMS potential >/= Transplanted rinnegan

You keep tell your self than MS = Rinnegan potential though :lmao:
 

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I already know this, Kamui is so broken that double kamui shits on alot of things, Regardless if the user is inferior in terms of power/Eye power or what ever it is.
excuses, you're just saying that cause it debunks your entire point :lol



The sheer power of the rinengan was to much for him to handle, Even with Senju improvements.
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once again your point proves nothing about it being superior, all it does it give credibility to nagato not the rinnegan.
So much for your "by default they have powerful chakra, which outclasses anyone who doesn't." statement huh.
obito outclasses nagato lol and itachi outclasses kakashi and danzo the statement is still valid. like I said before, nagato has the edge over obito because of his lack of dms, if nagato is better than itachi, (which I doubt since i don't believe in that rinnegan immune to genjutsu nonsense) it's only because his large reserves = potent chakra.

and that one eye as iv'e said obito has one of the most broken jutsu's that has ever existed in the NV
lol wasn't that broken. danzo's fodder henchmen almost had him if not for that senju cell replacement arm and using izanagi against konan.

Yes it does. It proves that the raw ocular power of Madara's rinnegan is immense even when transplanted, So much so that even uchiha who have MS of their own struggle to control it's power.
I still don't see how that makes it superior by default. all I see is it requiring large reserves to use it. but i guess i get what you're saying thou.

You didn't debunk anything
It's only natural that the evolution of the sharingan gains more and more ocular power as it evolves. It's not really that hard of a concept to grasp.
except rinnesharingan incorporates both eyes.
Sasuke's ocular power grew when he got MS, More so when he got EMS, Same goes for any sharingan evolution, Same goes for rinnegan
their chakra increases through each evolution as well. atleast GKS sasuke did
All you showed was breaking breaking tsukuyomi against Itachi who had no intent to kill, Whist being on his death bed and being weaker than he normally was.
nonsense and oversimplified. he broke tsukuyomi regardless if he had killing intent or not. sickness had nothing to do with that




As for perfect susanoo, The only two uchiha's to unlock is had EMS and were speical in terms of being connected to indra, While others were not.
Sasuke/Madara's EMS potential >/= Transplanted rinnegan

You keep tell your self than MS = Rinnegan potential though

lol funny how people only incorporate the rikudou's family tree nonsense when it suits are need. in that case, like I said before kaguya rinne-sharingan has both abilties within her. debunking this whole derived from each other nonsense unless you believe in that filler garbage from SP. are you 123fire? :lol
 
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Lot of assumption, too little fact.

no assumptions, all mangafacts. now you on the otherhand is a different story. :lol

If Pain can sense the Amaterasu coming by feeling the pressure,
again, are you sure pain is enabled to do this?
Amaterasu is negated Deva Pain can cancel it, Preta Pain can cancel it
already negged this. the real itachi will force both of them to deal with his susanoo while his clones scorches the other paths.
Animal Pain can summon any of the two above to cancel it.Besides, like I said, Pain dodged the Rasenshuriken at a near point blank in tight circumstances which should give him the ability to dodge the worst of the Amaterasu if he can see it coming
like I said before, the real itachi will force deva and preta path to deal with his susanoo as an distraction for his clones to amaterasu the fodder paths. lol you're wasting your time on the animal path and her summons, the sweep will take them all out, especially now that I know from the other thread the flames spawns on it's visual target. so no point wasting your time defending them, regardless if itachi wins or not that path is toast. lol

Animal Pain can bring all the others back together, after all, so disipating them is pointless
not likely.. susanoo sword's long reach will certainly make sure it sepearates them from the clones amat. if they do all group together it would only make it worst for them. since preta absorb has an aoe limitation

If any of the clones try and approach with taijutsu the paths in deva will ST them
agreed
Preta absorbs them
iirc preta won't work against clones
Human can take another person's soul with touch alone,
nonsense, only reason he got naruto is because of the invisible salamander held on to him. amat is faster btw
Animal has its summons to protect it and Asura is a human artillery
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nothing amat and susanoo arm can't handle
The only one they could win against is Naraka,
scorched with the other 3 irrelevant pains

Animal Path alone in this situation could handicap Itachi GREATLY.
lol it's WORST one, at best it's a distraction which still no problem for amat since itachi can readjust his fix sight on whom ever he sees.
Itachi is not a hard hitter
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not sure if you're trolling at this point. susanoo and amat is enough imo. especially since he can run with his rib version 3 susanoo active and jump out of complete susanoo as what both has shown in the manga against nagato.
so there are no jutsu in his inventory that could take down a summon of that size with force alone. The thing that comes the closest is the Clone Explosion
kakashi' lightning blade had no problem smashing through them. are you implying lightning blade > susanoo?

need a use of his Mangekyo to put down. The dog in special, unless he uses Amaterasu riht away, could become a massive problem.

which he will against the akatsuki leader.
 
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no assumptions, all mangafacts. now you on the otherhand is a different story. :lol

Isn't that rich coming from an Itachi fan.

again, are you sure pain is enabled to do this?

Nagato was able sense it due to pressure before the Amaterasu, not with sensing chakra, so I don't see why not.

already negged this. the real itachi will force both of them to deal with his susanoo while his clones scorches the other paths.

Clones can't handle the other paths.

Like I said before, the real itachi will force deva and preta path to deal with his susanoo as an distraction for his clones to amaterasu the fodder paths. lol you're wasting your time on the animal path and her summons, the sweep will take them all out, especially now that I know from the other thread the flames spawns on it's visual target. so no point wasting your time defending them, regardless if itachi wins or not that path is toast. lol

He'd have to REALLY abuse Amaterasu here, now if he wanted to take down all Animal paths. The way you talk about it with Amaterasu sweep makes it seem like they'll be perfectly lined up, side by side, ready for punishment. Hell no. He'd have to abuse it to get to them. How much punishment you think Itachi's reserves could handle, let alone his eyes?

not likely.. susanoo sword's long reach will certainly make sure it sepearates them from the clones amat. if they do all group together it would only make it worst for them. since preta absorb has an aoe limitation

If Sasuke even tries and sprout Susanoo, Deva sends him flying.If they try to catch any of them off guard, Animal is there to take them off the way.

iirc preta won't work against clones

It absorbed a wall of water, it absorbed a transformation, it'll absorb a clone.

nonsense, only reason he got naruto is because of the invisible salamander held on to him. amat is faster btw
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Amaterasu? From clones?

nothing amat and susanoo arm can't handle

Again, clones? The pain cause by using Amaterasu itself would dispel them before they could use it.

lol it's WORST one, at best it's a distraction which still no problem for amat since itachi can readjust his fix sight on whom ever he sees.

Again, you're overestimating how much of a punishment Itachi's reserves and eye can handle. Just look at how fast Sasuke tired himself out during the Kage Summit.

not sure if you're trolling at this point. susanoo and amat is enough imo. especially since he can run with his rib version 3 susanoo active and jump out of complete susanoo as what both has shown in the manga against nagato.

Like I said, not a hard hitter. He can't do much without his Mangekyo, and his Mangekyo is naturally costly.

kakashi' lightning blade had no problem smashing through them. are you implying lightning blade > susanoo?

When did lightning blade take down a Animal Path summon?

which he will against the akatsuki leader.

We're talking about living Itachi. Does he know about that fact or did he get it from Edo Nagato shouting it loud and clear?
 

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Isn't that rich coming from an Itachi fan.
Rich indeed considering I haven't cop out into using sealing, yata or tsuku. :lol

Nagato was able sense it due to pressure before the Amaterasu, not with sensing chakra, so I don't see why not.

yes, nagato. the 6pains is not nagato. I thought pain (the dead bodies) only obtained rinnegan. if he is able to sense pressure, then he sure as heck can sense chakra, which itachi himself quoted he was able to. however if that's the case, then why did this happen to him?
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if he didn't sense chakra here to expect naruto, i don't see how or why he should be able to sense pressure.

also, you keep saying FRS is faster and that he was able to dodge it. well, he able to dodge the throw but he was not fast enough to dodge the expanding. whose to say that even IF he managed to dodge one flame burst from amat, that he will dodge the rest while running? doubt it.
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Clones can't handle the other paths.
1. No proof that they can't. effortlessly cqc both naruto and kb with just his regular sharingan. meanwhile fatigue base naruto was able to hold his own against deva pain. how's that for facts?
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2. sensoring or not. the crows can distract the paths long enough for itachi to make an opening. however i'm not going to be bias and say it'll work in the beginning of the fight, the crow feint will be of more use when the paths dwindle down to 1-2 since rinnegan's shared vision will pretty much counter it.
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He'd have to REALLY abuse Amaterasu here, now if he wanted to take down all Animal paths. The way you talk about it with Amaterasu sweep makes it seem like they'll be perfectly lined up, side by side, ready for punishment. Hell no. He'd have to abuse it to get to them. How much punishment you think Itachi's reserves could handle, let alone his eyes?
that's how fast the flames are, i see no reason why it can't regardless if they're running or not. that's why I said at best deva and preta will be able to counter it if they expect it but if you expect them to dodge and run from it is unlikely, it took Ay's cloak vr2 just to evade the flames, it's not happening with deva. at best the fodder paths will use themselves as human shields to protect the more relevant paths like asura did for devapain against kakashi.
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If Sasuke even tries and sprout Susanoo, Deva sends him flying.If they try to catch any of them off guard, Animal is there to take them off the way.

highly unlikely, susanoo was fast enough to block kirin and sasuke's susanoo arm within distances of him. also, if you look at the panel when itachi saved KB and naruto from nagato, if you look at the background you see signs of momentum, implying he dashed towards them with his susanoo tank on. that means he has no problem speeding towards an opening to dismantle pains in cqc. especially since he was fast enough to save the jinks despite nagato's sensing power. that's pretty fcuking fast.
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It absorbed a wall of water, it absorbed a transformation, it'll absorb a clone.
hm, I guess. had to go back and check but it was indeed the real naruto not his clone that grabbed preta. this could be another reason why kishi nerfed sasuke from using preta to it's true extent against naruto.

Amaterasu? From clones?



Again, clones? The pain cause by using Amaterasu itself would dispel them before they could use it.

fanfic. provide proof that it will or implies it then i'll agree.

Again, you're overestimating how much of a punishment Itachi's reserves and eye can handle. Just look at how fast Sasuke tired himself out during the Kage Summit.

lol no dude, you're underestimating it. he was at his "sickest" near death moment against sasuke and you know what he accomplished? regular genjutsus, summoned a clone, used fireball release, used tsukuyomi and spammed amaterasu which covered dozens and dozens of trees and walls, and even near his very end he still managed to muster up a susanoo to block kirin then spend more chakra to reactivate it into it's complete form. on top of the fact that he summoned 1-2 clones prior to the fight as well as genjutsu naruto to give him koto. then if you rewind back to pts, he managed to muster out 2 tsukuyomi's and 1 amaterasu on top of the fact he had MS for years compared to GKS sasuke. now tell me dude, does that seem like i'm overestimating his reserves as much now?




Like I said, not a hard hitter. He can't do much without his Mangekyo, and his Mangekyo is naturally costly.

sasuke's susanoo was able to squash danzo like a bug. I see no reason why itachi can't against those paths. infact, itachi has already shown his susanoo slicing through asura path ability, so I see no point in continuing if he's hard hitter or not. itachi 1-2 shots these puppets with susanoo low diff if he physical contacts. preta will be no issue, he can physically hit with his fist to prevent it from absorbing, then use susanoo arm to swipe him. remember, he isn't like nagato's preta.
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When did lightning blade take down a Animal Path summon?

it easily pierced right through asura path. highly doubt animal path will be much different against susanoo swipe.

We're talking about living Itachi. Does he know about that fact or did he get it from Edo Nagato shouting it loud and clear?

you're talking about prime living/healthy/brand new MS itachi. shouting out loud means nothing, it didn't help jiraiya and yet itachi effortlessly countered them the correct way. some members believe itachi spying on akatsuki gained intel on pain, which makes sense.
 

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Tsukuyomi wouldn't work on Pain. Itachi tortures the brain of his opponents, but the Paths are already and are unaffected by torture - referencing Ibiki's attempts to interrogate Animal Path through torture methods, but it didn't work. Besides this, Sennin Mode: Sound Genjutsu is a higher calibre than Tsukuyomi; we saw this with SM Kabuto against the Uchiha brothers, and that didn't work on Pain either. Databook IV stated that Nagato is immune to all Ocular Genjutsu's. With Itachi's best technique being useless, there is nothing else to talk about. Preta Path feeds on all of Itachi's Ninjutsu and Deva Path's DC squashes Susanoo like an insect. No argument is further needed.
 

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Rich indeed considering I haven't cop out into using sealing, yata or tsuku. :lol

Its all a matter of time.

yes, nagato. the 6pains is not nagato. I thought pain (the dead bodies) only obtained rinnegan. if he is able to sense pressure, then he sure as heck can sense chakra, which itachi himself quoted he was able to. however if that's the case, then why did this happen to him?
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if he didn't sense chakra here to expect naruto, i don't see how or why he should be able to sense pressure.

Pressure is not chakra. Besides, Pain CAN see chakra being focused in a specific point on the user, as he was able to tell Tsunade had her foot stuck to the ground during their confrontation to avoid being caught off by his Shinra Tensei. If that's the case, seeing large ammounts of chakra being focused on the user's eye should be no trouble.

also, you keep saying FRS is faster and that he was able to dodge it. well, he able to dodge the throw but he was not fast enough to dodge the expanding. whose to say that even IF he managed to dodge one flame burst from amat, that he will dodge the rest while running? doubt it.
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The main thing here is that he never saw the Rasenshuriken coming, and yet the only path who didn't dodge was the one closest to the Rasenshuriken, Human. Deva and Naraka still reacted by themselves to its expansion and animal (the newest body, presumable the one he's the least skilled with) required Human's path to dodge. The only reason human himself didn't dodge was because he was caught by surprise. Since he should be able to see the Amaterasu coming however, escaping the worst of its burn should be no trouble.

1. No proof that they can't. effortlessly cqc both naruto and kb with just his regular sharingan. meanwhile fatigue base naruto was able to hold his own against deva pain. how's that for facts?
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Don't misrepresent what's happening in that scan. That's Pain in his main body far from his best due to his raiding in Konoha and the earlier Shinra Tensei overwhelming Naruto fresh out of Sage Mode in pure Taijutsu. Naruto is being forced into the defensive, backing up from Pain, and chances are that, hadn't Naruto used Sage Mode just seconds later, Pain would've ended the fight much earlier by stabbing that chakra rod into his chest.

2. sensoring or not. the crows can distract the paths long enough for itachi to make an opening. however i'm not going to be bias and say it'll work in the beginning of the fight, the crow feint will be of more use when the paths dwindle down to 1-2 since rinnegan's shared vision will pretty much counter it.
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Fair enough. Crows only work if the user is caught by surprise, if not...well, it really doesn't work.

that's how fast the flames are, i see no reason why it can't regardless if they're running or not. that's why I said at best deva and preta will be able to counter it if they expect it but if you expect them to dodge and run from it is unlikely, it took Ay's cloak vr2 just to evade the flames, it's not happening with deva. at best the fodder paths will use themselves as human shields to protect the more relevant paths like asura did for devapain against kakashi.
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Bad example. Deva was "paralyzed" by Choji and Choza's tactic with the chains, Asura getting into the way of Kakashi's attack to intercept the Rakiri and save Deva is, if anything, a speed feat. It didn't "require" Ay's Lightning Cloak to dodge the Amaterasu, that would imply he activated it to dodge Amaterasu because he wasn't fast enough to dodge it in base, but that was never really shown. Amaterasu, unless its caught dead on, is shown by Karin's case to only cause superficial burns. The real heat lies in its casting. If Pain can see it coming, he can dodge the worst of it and survive enough to have the flames absorbed by another path and maybe even healed if the damage is bad enough.


highly unlikely, susanoo was fast enough to block kirin and sasuke's susanoo arm within distances of him. also, if you look at the panel when itachi saved KB and naruto from nagato, if you look at the background you see signs of momentum, implying he dashed towards them with his susanoo tank on. that means he has no problem speeding towards an opening to dismantle pains in cqc. especially since he was fast enough to save the jinks despite nagato's sensing power. that's pretty fcuking fast.
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Wanna talk about fast? Lets talk Shinra Tensei. No one ever considered not attacking Deva outside of his five second cooldown because of how fast the jutsu's reaction time is. The one exception to this rule was shown by none other than Itachi himself catching Nagato by surprise with the Totsuka, and even that I could argue to be a side effect, a longer cooldown time for his Shinra Tensei due to the Chibaku Tensei.

What I'm getting at is that Itachi's Susanoo manifesting faster then the Deva Path's Shinra Tensei reaction time is...well, unlikely.

hm, I guess. had to go back and check but it was indeed the real naruto not his clone that grabbed preta. this could be another reason why kishi nerfed sasuke from using preta to it's true extent against naruto.

I think it makes sense. Rinnegan is still a tool after all. It takes time to master everything it has to offer. Nagato had it almost his entire life and thus able to use it more skillfully (note that this doesn't speak for power though) than both Madara and Sasuke have shown to use it.

fanfic. provide proof that it will or implies it then i'll agree.
Hm...you're right. I rechecked, and while the bleeding comes before its use, the pain only comes afterwards. This pai thoughn would probably dispel them though, as its fatigue is undeniable, but the amaterasu itself could be casted...though while it would spare Itachi his eyesight loss, he'd be wasting half of his entire chakra into one Amaterasu when the clone dispelled. Susanoo though is another matter entirely.


lol no dude, you're underestimating it. he was at his "sickest" near death moment against sasuke and you know what he accomplished? regular genjutsus, summoned a clone, used fireball release, used tsukuyomi and spammed amaterasu which covered dozens and dozens of trees and walls, and even near his very end he still managed to muster up a susanoo to block kirin then spend more chakra to reactivate it into it's complete form. on top of the fact that he summoned 1-2 clones prior to the fight as well as genjutsu naruto to give him koto. then if you rewind back to pts, he managed to muster out 2 tsukuyomi's and 1 amaterasu on top of the fact he had MS for years compared to GKS sasuke. now tell me dude, does that seem like i'm overestimating his reserves as much now?

Was the disease ever stated to have an effect on his chakra reserves themselves? Sure, it weakened his body, sure it limited the use of his eyes heavily, but what about the reserves themselves?

sasuke's susanoo was able to squash danzo like a bug. I see no reason why itachi can't against those paths. infact, itachi has already shown his susanoo slicing through asura path ability, so I see no point in continuing if he's hard hitter or not. itachi 1-2 shots these puppets with susanoo low diff if he physical contacts. preta will be no issue, he can physically hit with his fist to prevent it from absorbing, then use susanoo arm to swipe him. remember, he isn't like nagato's preta.
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Thus I said without his MS techniques. This only brings back the point of how much he can use his Mangekyo before he can't anymore. Sasuke used up almost all of his sight in one single day with 4-5 fights, not to mention his chakra reserves, as Sasuke's were still replenished once or twice in the middle of it all. Wasting all it on summons like that is just a sure path for defeat.


you're talking about prime living/healthy/brand new MS itachi. shouting out loud means nothing, it didn't help jiraiya and yet itachi effortlessly countered them the correct way. some members believe itachi spying on akatsuki gained intel on pain, which makes sense.

Don't think Nagato gave much opportunity for that. He seemed surprise that Itachi even knew who he was, so I doubt he gave much chance for anyone to learn of his Rinnegan abilities.
 

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Its all a matter of time.



Pressure is not chakra. Besides, Pain CAN see chakra being focused in a specific point on the user, as he was able to tell Tsunade had her foot stuck to the ground during their confrontation to avoid being caught off by his Shinra Tensei. If that's the case, seeing large ammounts of chakra being focused on the user's eye should be no trouble.



The main thing here is that he never saw the Rasenshuriken coming, and yet the only path who didn't dodge was the one closest to the Rasenshuriken, Human. Deva and Naraka still reacted by themselves to its expansion and animal (the newest body, presumable the one he's the least skilled with) required Human's path to dodge. The only reason human himself didn't dodge was because he was caught by surprise. Since he should be able to see the Amaterasu coming however, escaping the worst of its burn should be no trouble.



Don't misrepresent what's happening in that scan. That's Pain in his main body far from his best due to his raiding in Konoha and the earlier Shinra Tensei overwhelming Naruto fresh out of Sage Mode in pure Taijutsu. Naruto is being forced into the defensive, backing up from Pain, and chances are that, hadn't Naruto used Sage Mode just seconds later, Pain would've ended the fight much earlier by stabbing that chakra rod into his chest.



Fair enough. Crows only work if the user is caught by surprise, if not...well, it really doesn't work.



Bad example. Deva was "paralyzed" by Choji and Choza's tactic with the chains, Asura getting into the way of Kakashi's attack to intercept the Rakiri and save Deva is, if anything, a speed feat. It didn't "require" Ay's Lightning Cloak to dodge the Amaterasu, that would imply he activated it to dodge Amaterasu because he wasn't fast enough to dodge it in base, but that was never really shown. Amaterasu, unless its caught dead on, is shown by Karin's case to only cause superficial burns. The real heat lies in its casting. If Pain can see it coming, he can dodge the worst of it and survive enough to have the flames absorbed by another path and maybe even healed if the damage is bad enough.




Wanna talk about fast? Lets talk Shinra Tensei. No one ever considered not attacking Deva outside of his five second cooldown because of how fast the jutsu's reaction time is. The one exception to this rule was shown by none other than Itachi himself catching Nagato by surprise with the Totsuka, and even that I could argue to be a side effect, a longer cooldown time for his Shinra Tensei due to the Chibaku Tensei.

What I'm getting at is that Itachi's Susanoo manifesting faster then the Deva Path's Shinra Tensei reaction time is...well, unlikely.



I think it makes sense. Rinnegan is still a tool after all. It takes time to master everything it has to offer. Nagato had it almost his entire life and thus able to use it more skillfully (note that this doesn't speak for power though) than both Madara and Sasuke have shown to use it.


Hm...you're right. I rechecked, and while the bleeding comes before its use, the pain only comes afterwards. This pai thoughn would probably dispel them though, as its fatigue is undeniable, but the amaterasu itself could be casted...though while it would spare Itachi his eyesight loss, he'd be wasting half of his entire chakra into one Amaterasu when the clone dispelled. Susanoo though is another matter entirely.




Was the disease ever stated to have an effect on his chakra reserves themselves? Sure, it weakened his body, sure it limited the use of his eyes heavily, but what about the reserves themselves?



Thus I said without his MS techniques. This only brings back the point of how much he can use his Mangekyo before he can't anymore. Sasuke used up almost all of his sight in one single day with 4-5 fights, not to mention his chakra reserves, as Sasuke's were still replenished once or twice in the middle of it all. Wasting all it on summons like that is just a sure path for defeat.




Don't think Nagato gave much opportunity for that. He seemed surprise that Itachi even knew who he was, so I doubt he gave much chance for anyone to learn of his Rinnegan abilities.

Didnt read. Already think pain wins with CT. With preta in front of him
 

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Itachi is disease free and with a brand new Mangekyo pair of eyes with all his techs. Starting distance is 100 feet.

Who wins?

pain still kills his ass.

The only way itachi wins is if he has full intel and pain has none.
 

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CT one shots
CST can one shot

Pein wins this
 

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Itachi wins with full knowledge
 
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