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We haven't really seen too much of ems sauce without susanoo but with kakashi being faster with his kamui in the war arc(and kamui being what I think his only real way of beating sasuke. He could always kamui him if they rush at each other with chidori/raikiri(sounds dumb I know but he got that nail pain flung at him and he was pretty beat up) sasuke takes this mid diff more often then then not but I think kakashi could take this high to like super high diff...
 

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Ok so then I don't see your point then seeing as how it takes time to activate sussano, summon the bow and arrow and shoot it. Notice how Kakashi didn't even have his MS activated at the time either


Can I have that scan I asked for please?

Stop. Arguing. Against. The. Manga. Jesus Christ lmao.



-Kakashi says he doesn't want to kill him. (Not that he won't, so don't use that as evidence)
-Sakura was there to kill Sasuke.
-Kakashi tells her that she doesn't need to carry this burden and that he'll take responsibility as the leader of Team 7 and that he'll see this through the same way she would've.


Even if he wasn't trying to kill him, doesn't mean he'd be holding back. Sasuke's Susanoo evolved and his response?



"bad news!"

So do you think he would let Sasuke kill him because he doesn't want to use Kamui on him? I hope not. lol.

MS not being active doesn't matter. MS activating literally takes an instant. The Manga showed that Kakashi can't kill or defeat MS Sasuke on his own. There is literally nothing more to it.

You do know Susanoo is not invisible right ? kamui lands where the user forcus his eyesight on , just like amaterasu .
If Susanoo can protect from Amaterasu , the, it can protect from Kamui , just like how Naruto's KN0 chakra cloak protected him from Sasuke's amaterasu .

And if the user can see his target through an object then that target will be hit. A chakra cloak erupts from the user's body. There is no space in between the cloak and their body. Same can't be said of Susanoo.
 

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Stop. Arguing. Against. The. Manga. Jesus Christ lmao.



-Kakashi says he doesn't want to kill him. (Not that he won't, so don't use that as evidence)
-Sakura was there to kill Sasuke.
-Kakashi tells her that she doesn't need to carry this burden and that he'll take responsibility as the leader of Team 7 and that he'll see this through the same way she would've.


Even if he wasn't trying to kill him, doesn't mean he'd be holding back. Sasuke's Susanoo evolved and his response?



"bad news!"

So do you think he would let Sasuke kill him because he doesn't want to use Kamui on him? I hope not. lol.

MS not being active doesn't matter. MS activating literally takes an instant. The Manga showed that Kakashi can't kill or defeat MS Sasuke on his own. There is literally nothing more to it.

Guess I'm starting to see the bull that other people were talking about. I asked you for a scan asking where Kakashi said he was going to kill Sasuke

You say "he wasn't trying to kill him", yet the Manga says he was and there is literally nothing in said Manga that'd allow you to argue that Kakashi lied when he said he was going to kill Sasuke with his own hands, so let's not. :lol

Nope. He stated he was going to kill Sasuke, but couldn't. Nothing more to it. You say that he could've, but the Manga clearly showed us that he couldn't.


Can't believe you're sitting here trying to argue that a Near Blind Sasuke = to MS Kakashi don't know if you read like you love to tell other people to do but Kakashi wasn't fighting Sasuke with his MS active until he shot the arrow

If you could post the scans now that would be nice
 

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If you don't have the brain power to piece two and two together there's nothing more to argue here. Kakashi told Sakura he'd take the burden off of her. She was there to kill Sasuke. Guess what that burden is? Oh wait, I'll tell you since it doesn't seem like you have the necessary intelligence to come to this conclusion without me holding your hand like you are some inept little child, but judging from your posts in the past I can't really be surprised.

That burden was the burden of killing Sasuke. :lol Now stop replying to me since it appears you are too stupid to understand a simple shonen Manga. Lmfao. I post a scan and this fool asks for a scan. If you are looking for a scan where Kakashi says word for word, I'm going to kill you, then you can stop posting now. I've already posted a scan that states Kakashi was going to kill him, but not word for word.

-Kakashi and Sasuke fought in the Manga.
-Kakashi couldn't kill Sasuke.

Fact. Quit debating fact. It makes you look like you are butthurt that what you wanted to happen didn't happen.
 
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:lol Imagine being this retarded. Starts nitpicking cause he knows he can't argue against the Manga.
 

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:lol Imagine being this retarded. Starts nitpicking cause he knows he can't argue against the Manga.

So Kakashi has killing intent whilst giving Sasuke a 2nd chance to repent? When here at this scene he could have killed him with Kamui? You're calling me retarded because I don't want follow your interpretation of the manga like are you srs? What person of killing intent gives a person a chance to repent?



Since I'm so retarded and you're so logical please explain both these scenes to me. I'm the one looking retarded but you're here saying that an exhausted near blind Sasuke = to an MS Kakashi when Kakashi wasn't even using his MS the time they were fighting :lmao:



Not only that you've failed to provide a scan for a claim you made. Kakashi never said he was going to kill Sasuke you're interpreting he was going to do so based off your interpretation


It's apparent that Kakashi wasn't fully committed to killing Sasuke

not doing =/= not being able to
 

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So Kakashi has killing intent whilst giving Sasuke a 2nd chance to repent? When here at this scene he could have killed him with Kamui? You're calling me retarded because I don't want follow your interpretation of the manga like are you srs? What person of killing intent gives a person a chance to repent?

You're retarded because you don't want to accept Manga fact. There is no other interpretation. You kids need to stop hiding behind your interpretation and your opinions when you are revealed to be utterly and completely incorrect. There is only one correct interpretation of that scan and that is that Kakashi had the intent to kill Sasuke. He didn't tell Sakura he'd take the burden off her shoulders for shits and giggles. The meaning of words isn't subjective buddy.

And try using logic. Kakashi didn't want to kill Sasuke, but would if he had to. Hence him giving Sasuke the chance to repent, so that he wouldn't have to actually kill him. That's not debatable. That was already stated in the Manga, but considering you love to debate fact as if it were debatable in the first place I'm not surprised.

Since I'm so retarded and you're so logical please explain both these scenes to me. I'm the one looking retarded but you're here saying that an exhausted near blind Sasuke = to an MS Kakashi when Kakashi wasn't even using his MS the time they were fighting :lmao:


I stated one thing, that MS Kakashi failed to kill or defeat Sasuke even though he had Kamui. All this BS about them being equal is something you pulled out of your ass, but that's what NB posters do best.

Not only that you've failed to provide a scan for a claim you made. Kakashi never said he was going to kill Sasuke you're interpreting he was going to do so based off your interpretation

Except I did. He stated he'd take the burden off Sakura. Her burden was the burden of killing Sasuke. Read the Manga. Stop arguing against it because what you wanted to happen didn't happen.

It's apparent that Kakashi wasn't fully committed to killing Sasuke

No, it's apparent to anyone with a brain that he would kill Sasuke if he had to, but he didn't want to so he gave him a chance to repent so that it wouldn't come to that. Jesus Christ almighty how is this that hard for you to understand?

not doing =/= not being able to

What are you even talking about here? Probably another attempt to contest fact.


What I also find hilarious is how this guy managed to derail this discussion and center it around Kakashi having killing intent or not when I've already stated how his killing intent is irrelevant to their actual fight. Smh. Keep on grasping for those straws, you might just reach them....one day.
 
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If Kakashi actually had killing intent during that instance then he wouldn't have hesitated to ask Sasuke to repent. He would have skipped the speech bullshit and just tried to kill him. I think people are confusing actual killing intent from actually having to kill. Also, Kakashi didn't want to kill Sasuke but if he had to then so be it, he would have did it. Kakashi never had "killing intent", but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have killed Sasuke if necessary.
 

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If Kakashi actually had killing intent during that instance then he wouldn't have hesitated to ask Sasuke to repent. He would have skipped the speech bullshit and just tried to kill him. I think people are confusing actual killing intent from actually having to kill. Also, Kakashi didn't want to kill Sasuke but if he had to then so be it, he would have did it. Kakashi never had "killing intent", but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have killed Sasuke if necessary.

Killing intent is exactly what it sounds like. The intent to kill. You don't have to want to kill someone to have the intent to kill them. There is no confusion there as they are the same thing. It doesn't make sense to say that he would've killed Sasuke (or tried), but without the intent to kill him.

You would have a point if this were self defense, but Kakashi pretty much told Sakura he was going to kill Sasuke instead of her.
 

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You're retarded because you don't want to accept Manga fact. There is no other interpretation. You kids need to stop hiding behind your interpretation and your opinions when you are revealed to be utterly and completely incorrect. There is only one correct interpretation of that scan and that is that Kakashi had the intent to kill Sasuke. He didn't tell Sakura he'd take the burden off her shoulders for shits and giggles. The meaning of words isn't subjective buddy.

Are you f**cking retarded? This was my inital post


It can be argued that Kakashi wasn't trying to kill Sasuke


Kakashi could have sniped Sasuke whilst he was preparing the arrows

This is what you stated

Nope. He stated he was going to kill Sasuke, but couldn't. Nothing more to it. You say that he could've, but the Manga clearly showed us that he couldn't.

Not only have you failed to show where Kakashi stated he was going to kill Sasuke but I can show you where Kakashi stated he wasn't going to kill Sauske which is a manga fact. We don't know what her resolve is (in regards to killing Sasuke) because it's been shown multiple times in the manga that she wanted to save Sasuke but was too weak to do so. This also can be further supported by the scan I posted where Kakashi gave him a chance to repent.


And try using logic. Kakashi didn't want to kill Sasuke, but would if he had to. Hence him giving Sasuke the chance to repent, so that he wouldn't have to actually kill him. That's not debatable. That was already stated in the Manga, but considering you love to debate fact as if it were debatable in the first place I'm not surprised

Obviously not it seems you're misinterpreted my post and my argument. You stated once again that the resolve/intent/whatever word you want to use was to kill Sasuke yet even though he had killing intent he gave him mercy. Of course if worst comes to worst, Kakashi would have to kill Sasuke that's the basic principle of a ninja which obviously shouldn't be stated.



I stated one thing, that MS Kakashi failed to kill or defeat Sasuke even though he had Kamui. All this BS about them being equal is something you pulled out of your ass, but that's what NB posters do best.

Ok that's great and all but this is what I'm arguing against

The Manga has shown that MS Kakashi couldn't kill MS Sasuke even w/ Kamui. You say "he wasn't trying to kill him"

Key word is "couldn't". Facts state that Kakashi wasn't going all out until he shot the arrow. Facts state that Sasuke was near exhaustion to the point that he went blind, facts state that he could have sniped him instead of sparing him if his intent was to kill Sasuke as you said



Except I did. He stated he'd take the burden off Sakura. Her burden was the burden of killing Sasuke. Read the Manga. Stop arguing against it because what you wanted to happen didn't happen.

You're contradicting yourself yet again first you're stating that he had killing intent, now you're saying that he didn't want to but if he had to he would. He either had killing intent or he didn't have it until Sasuke got out of control, pick one


No, it's apparent to anyone with a brain that he would kill Sasuke if he had to, but he didn't want to so he gave him a chance to repent so that it wouldn't come to that. Jesus Christ almighty how is this that hard for you to understand?


The f**k are you saying? This is what I said from jump street which is why I said it could be debated, to which again you stated

Nope. He stated he was going to kill Sasuke, but couldn't. Nothing more to it. You say that he could've, but the Manga clearly showed us that he couldn't.


What are you even talking about here? Probably another attempt to contest fact.


Couldn't isn't the same as not doing it, in regards to killing or sniping Sasuke. It's a simple concept to understand


What I also find hilarious is how this guy managed to derail this discussion and center it around Kakashi having killing intent or not when I've already stated how his killing intent is irrelevant to their actual fight. Smh. Keep on grasping for those straws, you might just reach them....one day.

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Holy f**K how is the killing intent irrelevant to the fight when your whole argument is based off taking on Sakura's resolve to kill Sasuke?



You would have a point if this were self defense, but Kakashi pretty much told Sakura he was going to kill Sasuke instead of her.

F**K logic right?


No, it's apparent to anyone with a brain that he would kill Sasuke if he had to, but he didn't want to so he gave him a chance to repent so that it wouldn't come to that. Jesus Christ almighty how is this that hard for you to understand?
 
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Are you f**cking retarded? This was my inital post





Kakashi could have sniped Sasuke whilst he was preparing the arrows

This is what you stated



Not only have you failed to show where Kakashi stated he was going to kill Sasuke but I can show you where Kakashi stated he wasn't going to kill Sauske which is a manga fact. We don't know what her resolve is (in regards to killing Sasuke) because it's been shown multiple times in the manga that she wanted to save Sasuke but was too weak to do so. This also can be further supported by the scan I posted where Kakashi gave him a chance to repent.

Complex, don't waste my fucking time. If you are going to continue to act like a moron then I'll just stop wasting my time obliterating your posts.

-I've already shown where Kakashi said he'll kill Sasuke. Crying about how I haven't shown it because you are too stupid to understand it won't change that fact. This is just you playing dumb because you got caught denying Manga fact. I'll just take your concession here. :lol

-@bold: Stop twisting the Manga. At that moment her goal was to kill Sasuke. That's what Kakashi saw. Kakashi came to the conclusion that Sakura came to kill Sasuke, and decided to burden it on his own. That's what Kakashi was about to do. Don't start pulling shit out of your ass now. Then Sakura says to herself that of killing Sasuke, throwing any and all idiotic speculation of yours out the window.

But you'll probably go on about the burden they spoke of was the burden of saving Sasuke when she was charging at him with a poisoned Kunai. :lol And where is this "he could've sniped him when he was preparing the arrows" horseshit even coming from? Oh wait, from the ass of a trash poster. If he could've done that he would've done that instead of letting himself get pinned like he was in the Manga, and he wouldn't need to kill Sasuke to do that so please don't bring that idiotic argument. Stop making shitty excuses.

Obviously not it seems you're misinterpreted my post and my argument. You stated once again that the resolve/intent/whatever word you want to use was to kill Sasuke yet even though he had killing intent he gave him mercy. Of course if worst comes to worst, Kakashi would have to kill Sasuke that's the basic principle of a ninja which obviously shouldn't be stated.

Lol. Irrelevant again. Quit repeating things that have already been addressed. Did Kakashi intend to kill Sasuke if Sasuke didn't give up. Yes. Thus you are wrong. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Him giving Sasuke a chance to avoid him having to kill him isn't him saying he has no intent to kill Sasuke. If he had no intent to kill Sasuke he wouldn't have told Sakura what he told her. Him not wanting to kill Sasuke doesn't mean he won't kill Sasuke.


Key word is "couldn't". Facts state that Kakashi wasn't going all out until he shot the arrow. Facts state that Sasuke was near exhaustion to the point that he went blind, facts state that he could have sniped him instead of sparing him if his intent was to kill Sasuke as you said

Facts are that Kakashi couldn't take Sasuke out, yet you are sitting here arguing against those facts. Lmfao. You people never cease to disappoint. I can use the same dumb logic you are using here and say that Sasuke could've used Amaterasu instead of running his mouth at Kakashi for a good minute or so before the fight actually started. Doesn't change the fact that he intended to kill Kakashi.



You're contradicting yourself yet again first you're stating that he had killing intent, now you're saying that he didn't want to but if he had to he would. He either had killing intent or he didn't have it until Sasuke got out of control, pick one

Wanting to kill someone and intent to kill someone are different. If you are trying to kill someone because you have to, that's killing intent. Doesn't mean that you wanted them to be killed. Hashirama had the intent to kill Madara, yet he would've halted the fight had Madara changed his ways then and there, meaning he didn't WANT to kill him. Learn the difference before you reply to me again.


Couldn't isn't the same as not doing it, in regards to killing or sniping Sasuke. It's a simple concept to understand

The Manga showed their fight and was Kakashi able to kill or defeat Sasuke? No. Is that too hard for you to understand? All these excuses you are making is pathetic. "Oh lolol he could've sniped him while they were talking", shitty logic from you as usual considering:

1. The fight hadn't started on either end.
2. I can use the same stupid logic to say that Sasuke could've used Amaterasu instead of talking to Kakashi.


You sound like those morons who complain about fights like Hashirama vs. Madara or Naruto vs. Sasuke:

"lolol Madara is stronger cause he could've done this"
"Sasuke is stronger cause he could've done this"
"Naruto is stronger cause he could've done this"

Just take what the Manga gives you and stop complaining please.

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Holy f**K how is the killing intent irrelevant to the fight when your whole argument is based off taking on Sakura's resolve to kill Sasuke?

Lmao what a simpleton. My main argument is based on the fact that the Manga showed that Kakashi can't defeat MS Sasuke. Everything else I've typed is a counter argument to your idiotic belief that what the Manga showed isn't valid because "Kakashi didn't try to kill Sasuke", which you can't prove.

Killing intent is irrelevant to the fight because you don't need killing intent to go all out. Thus I can use the Manga showing that Kakashi can't defeat Sasuke as evidence that Kakashi can't defeat Sasuke. Just how the Manga shows that Naruto=Sasuke despite Naruto not having killing intent at any point of the match. Not. That. Hard. Come on now son. :lol
 
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Killing intent is exactly what it sounds like. The intent to kill. You don't have to want to kill someone to have the intent to kill them. There is no confusion there as they are the same thing. It doesn't make sense to say that he would've killed Sasuke (or tried), but without the intent to kill him.

You would have a point if this were self defense, but Kakashi pretty much told Sakura he was going to kill Sasuke instead of her.

Hmmm.. you make a good point about the self defense thing. I guess it can be looked at the fact that Kakashi engaged Sasuke himself to kill him while lifting the burden from Sakura.
 

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Hmmm.. you make a good point about the self defense thing. I guess it can be looked at the fact that Kakashi engaged Sasuke himself to kill him while lifting the burden from Sakura.

Yup. Exactly. Glad I don't need to type walls for you to understand unlike a certain someone in this thread.
 

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Used the wrong verbiage in my initial post just going to comment on the post that are wrong or misunderstood


Wanting to kill someone and intent to kill someone are different. If you are trying to kill someone because you have to, that's killing intent. Doesn't mean that you wanted them to be killed. Hashirama had the intent to kill Madara, yet he would've halted the fight had Madara changed his ways then and there, meaning he didn't WANT to kill him. Learn the difference before you reply to me again.

This post makes zero sense because if you intend to do something then you are wanting to do it. How stupid do you sound saying that Kakashi took on Sakura's killing intent but didn't want to kill Sasuke? They nigh synonymous to one another

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Killing intent is irrelevant to the fight because you don't need killing intent to go all out. Thus I can use the Manga showing that Kakashi can't defeat Sasuke as evidence that Kakashi can't defeat Sasuke. Just how the Manga shows that Naruto=Sasuke despite Naruto not having killing intent at any point of the match. Not. That. Hard. Come on now son. :lol

Which I never stated

When Kakashi goes all out what does he use? His Magenkyo? Did he do that? No. When did Kakashi use his MS? When he had to defend. Where did I state you need killing intent to go all out? I said if Kakashi wanted to kill Sasuke he could have with a Kamui snipe I never once stated that you need killing intent to go all out so stop twisting my words.

Just because Kakashi didn't defeat a near blind Sasuke doesn't mean he can't which was what I am debating especially with Kamui at his disposal.

No one was debating against what happened in the manga which seems to be in whatever way in your thinking is my post coming off.

My initial post was misworded what I meant was that a Kakashi had the capability to kill him with Kamui




Everything else I can agree to
 
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Use the wrong verbiage in my initial post just comment on the post that are wrong or misunderstood



Which I never stated

When Kakashi goes all out what does he use? His Magenkyo? Did he do that? No. When did Kakashi use his MS? When he had to defend. Where did I state you need killing intent to go all out? I said if Kakashi wanted to kill Sasuke he could have with a Kamui snipe I never once stated that you need killing intent to go all out so stop twist my words.

Just because Kakashi didn't defeat a near blind Sasuke doesn't mean he can't which was what I am debating especially with Kamui at his disposal.

No one was debating against what happened in the manga which seems to be in whatever way in your thinking is my post coming off.

My initial post was misworded what I meant was that a Kakashi had the capability to kill him with Kamui




Everything else I can agree to

Look. Whether he used MS from the jump is irrelevant.

-Manga said that he was going to kill Sasuke if he had to.
-Manga showed that Sasuke wouldn't relent. Thus Kakashi officially has killing intent.
-Manga showed that Kakashi couldn't defeat Sasuke even after taking out MS. You act like him taking out MS when Susanoo came out changes this. You say "didn't=/=couldn't", but it's not that he chose not to defeat Sasuke. He simply couldn't. Not that hard to grasp.
-The bold is your opinion backed by nothing. If Kakashi had the capability to kill him or disable him with Kamui he wouldn't have sat there and let Sasuke get to a point where his only remark would be "Bad News!". :lol
-Quit making excuses like "he could've sniped him before". Addressed this too many times.

And no one is twisting your words. I'm saying that to supplement my argument. Lmfao. Read before you post please.
 

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Sasuke should win. He trumps Kakashi in everything and the only way he could lose is teleportation via Kamui, but even Deidara while standing still was nearly able to avoid it. Sasuke knows about Kamui and can sense the usage of his Mangekyou Sharingan, so distraction and movement keep that a near impossibility.
 

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If Sasuke starts on the offensive and begins to spam arrows, there's nothing Kakashi can do but warp them until his chakra reaches zero.

I think this match is decided by who strikes first and Kamui is the key. Kakashi has to snipe Sasuke before he can spam arrows, that's pretty much it.

EMS Sasuke outclasses him in pretty much every field but Kamui is so broken that it can balance out the skill gap between them overall.

I'd bet on Sasuke to strike first and thus win.
 

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Kakashi wins because I like him more
 

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Look. Whether he used MS from the jump is irrelevant.

Disagree

-Manga said that he was going to kill Sasuke if he had to

Agreed

-Manga showed that Sasuke wouldn't relent. Thus Kakashi officially has killing intent

He (Kakashi) took on Sakura's intent before Kakashi asked him to repent so this is irrelevant

-Manga showed that Kakashi couldn't defeat Sasuke even after taking out MS. You act like him taking out MS when Susanoo came out changes this. You say "didn't=/=couldn't", but it's not that he chose not to defeat Sasuke. He simply couldn't. Not that hard to grasp

Not arguing this point again. The two aren't the same. Kakashi has every capability of defeating a near blind Sasuke which is what I;m debating once again not the events that transpired in the manga

-The bold is your opinion backed by nothing. If Kakashi had the capability to kill him or disable him with Kamui he wouldn't have sat there and let Sasuke get to a point where his only remark would be "Bad News!". :lol

Just like if P1 Naruto had the capability to defeat Sasuke he would summoned Gamabunta or if Danzo had the capability to defeat Sasuke he would have used KA the list can go on using this shitty logic tbh

And no one is twisting your words. I'm saying that to supplement my argument. Lmfao. Read before you post please.

It didn't need to be said so I don't know why you brought it up as nobody inferred that you need to have a killing intent to go all out

Don't feel like formatting. Answers in bold
 
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It didn't need to be said so I don't know why you brought it up as nobody inferred that you need to have a killing intent to go all out

Don't feel like formatting. Answers in bold

Lol


Explain.

He (Kakashi) took on Sakura's intent before Kakashi asked him to repent so this is irrelevant

Kakashi having killing intent is irrelevant now? :lol

Not arguing this point again. The two aren't the same. Kakashi has every capability of defeating a near blind Sasuke which is what I;m debating once again not the events that transpired in the manga

But the Manga showed that he doesn't. :lol So lets cut the crap already.

-You say that Kakashi has the capability to defeat Sasuke.
-Yet the Manga has literally shown us that he couldn't.

Just like the Madaratards who say "Madara has the capability to beat Hashirama", despite the Manga already giving us the answer, that Hashirama would put Madara on his neck if they were to fight again. You sound dumb saying "I'm not debating the events that happened in the Manga" when the events that happened in the Manga are fact. Point blank period. Basically you are ignoring the Manga in favor of what you want to believe. :lol

Just like if P1 Naruto had the capability to defeat Sasuke he would summoned Gamabunta or if Danzo had the capability to defeat Sasuke he would have used KA the list can go on using this shitty logic tbh

Lmfao and now you prove my point, that you are doing nothing but making shitty ass excuses because you aren't satisfied with what happened in fucking canon.

-Danzo chose not to use KA because he wanted to save it for Obito. That's why he lost. That is a case with a reason why Danzo held back power. There is no such thing here beside your petty attempt to rewrite canon and say that Kakashi could've won if he wanted to without any logical and stated reason from the Manga.

-Gamabunta doesn't obey Naruto. Gamabunta wasn't going to help him fight Shukaku at first yet you think he'd obey Naruto if Naruto called him to fight a 12 yr. old kid? Lol. Another instance where there is a logical reason Naruto didn't do what you think he could've done to won.

-Kakashi had no reason to hold back his power against Sasuke, and guess what the result of that fight was? Oh wait, he couldn't win while Sasuke powered up to V4 and was about to murk him before he went blind.

FOH with this bullshit.
 
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