[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?

[loj]

If it weren't for Sanji's intellect, the Strawhats would have died here:

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They would of died ages ago if Luffy didn't beat villains...hence Oda is constantly putting Luffy to fight main villain,Zoro 2nd strongest and Sanji 3rd strongest.Just proves the situation in the SH's.

 

[Dannie]

there isn't a vice captain on the crew and there will never be

Oda has gave us many different hints from different people that Zoro is VC material and bold is just ridiculous. You don't know what Oda plans to do in the future so you have no right to say that he will never do it.

Also, if this conversation is so stupid then why engage in it?

 

[loj]

And there is it its always about trying to make zoro strong then everyone except luffy and that will never be the case him and sanji are equal in power there is nothing in this world that shows zoro is stronger then sanji why is it so hard to except they are equal. What makes zoro stronger I don't get you guys

Luffy main villain,Zoro 2nd stronest,Sanji 3rd strongest.

I think Oda showed you that 10000 times as of now.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The databook fact and Zoro taking Luffy's pain on Thiller Bark should be good enough reason why Zoro is indirectly the 2nd in command of SH's.

I already showed a couple pages back why the databook is unreliable.

Zoro taking Luffy's pain proves nothing since every other Strawhat right before that agreed to die instead of giving up Luffy. Hell, even strangers did it.

 

[loj]

I already showed a couple pages back why the databook is unreliable.

Zoro taking Luffy's pain proves nothing since every other Strawhat right before that agreed to die instead of giving up Luffy. Hell, even strangers did it.

LOL what are you now denying what Oda wrote? Just pls...

Oda clearly showed you and us who took captain's pain.Sanji tried to get the fame but naah bruh...Its Zoro and only Zoro.That moment just sealed the deal.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Oda has gave us many different hints from different people that Zoro is VC material and bold is just ridiculous. You don't know what Oda plans to do in the future so you have no right to say that he will never do it.

Also, if this conversation is so stupid then why engage in it?

The conversation is stupid because this topic is just a cover up the actual point in this is trying to place zoro above all others and giving him statuses that don't exist. Your absolutely right I don't know what Oda plans on doing just like you don't your talking what if I'm talking what is I could say all humans will learn to fly and breath under water one day although a possibility not likely

 

[RJ22BIG]

LOL what are you now denying what Oda wrote? Just pls...

Oda clearly showed you and us who took captain's pain.Sanji tried to get the fame but naah bruh...Its Zoro and only Zoro.That moment just sealed the deal.

You keep saying Oda wrote this and that Oda originally planned on zoro being buggy's body guard and he chose to change that idea he even has a multitude note books with different ideas he plans on doing he is human and does change his mind and in yet you guys keep being up a data book from 2007 yea seems pretty reliable in 2016 lmao

 

[Dannie]

The conversation is stupid because this topic is just a cover up the actual point in this is trying to place zoro above all others and giving him statuses that don't exist.

So showing several examples and hints on Zoro being Luffy's first mate, and how he has been assumed to be captain of the SH's by others is placing him above others and giving him false statuses? Do you even realize the title of the thread you're in? It's asking if Zoro is the 2nd in command of the SH's. Do you want everyone to be oblivious and act like their haven't been any subtle hints to suggest that Zoro might be Luffy's 2nd in command later on? Why would Oda make this happen on 2-3 different occasions? He's obviously trying to give the readers a message, but for some reason a lot of you are against the idea of Zoro being VC and are trying to deny all the times where people have made the assumption about Zoro being VC, so instead you keep arguing about how Zoro isn't fit rather than the fact that he has been hyped by others regarding his position on the crew.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

LOL what are you now denying what Oda wrote? Just pls...

Oda clearly showed you and us who took captain's pain.Sanji tried to get the fame but naah bruh...Its Zoro and only Zoro.That moment just sealed the deal.

also the fact of how zoro and rayleigh were recruited is sooooo similar.....the captain saying hey you are on my crew now with them not going that isn't your decision to make
Zoro:

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Rayleigh:

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[Punk Hazard]

also the fact of how zoro and rayleigh were recruited is sooooo similar.....the captain saying hey you are on my crew now with them not going that isn't your decision to make
Zoro:

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Rayleigh

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The only members that didn't join this way was Robin and Brook lmao

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

The only members that didn't join this way was Robin and Brook lmao

Did I quote you by mistake??? oh wait I didn't.....also Nami, and Usopp was different....


edit: Luffy accepted sanji when he said no....

 

[Punk Hazard]

Did I quote you by mistake??? oh wait I didn't.....also Sanji, Nami, and Usopp was different....

No, they weren't. Regardless of the reason, Sanji, Nami, Usopp, Chopper, and Franky all refused Luffy's invitation and took asking more than once.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

No, they weren't. Regardless of the reason, Sanji, Nami, Usopp, Chopper, and Franky all refused Luffy's invitation and took asking more than once.

watch how sanji was recruited again....Luffy accepts sanji refusing....sanji than comes up to luffy asking to join...usopp was happy when asked, nami had to free her people and she joined right after without hesitation, chopper wanted to join but was scared and franky is the only similar case....
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Usopp:

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but it's cool that you believe that, but you're wrong but it's cool....and again I didn't quote you for a reason....don't wanna argue with a delusional hater who refuses to acknowledge something said multiple times in manga and said by oda himself

 

[Punk Hazard]

watch how sanji was recruited again....Luffy accepts sanji refusing....sanji than comes up to luffy asking to join...usopp was happy when asked, nami had to free her people and she joined right after without hesitation, chopper wanted to join but was scared and franky is the only similar case....
Sanji:

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Usopp:

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but it's cool that you believe that, but you're wrong but it's cool....and again I didn't quote you for a reason....don't wanna argue with a delusional hater who refuses to acknowledge something said multiple times in manga and said by oda himself

Still the same execution lmao. Like I said, regardless of the reason, almost every other Strawhat said no. I can point out just as many differences between Ray's recruitment and Zoro's too.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

LOL what are you now denying what Oda wrote? Jual.

Oda words wut? Oda didnt write the databooks, none of the shit said in them is his own words. Hell they even confirm sabos death when oda clearly says "I'll leave it uo to fans to decide:

 

[Venomous Cobra]

act>word...
Zoro is just 2nd in command lol Usopp can't handle the crew like at all...

Usopp is a bloody clown of the crew and something like Luffy's best friend...Zoro is just...uncomparable with Usopp...mind blown how Usopp is even considered as someone as 2nd in command

They all act thus its irrelevant, the rest of that post is your opinion and you can keep it but it does nothing to the clear words of luffy as a captain

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Even the whole urouge calling him a First mate can be a mistralansation as Aohige from AP forums (A native Japanese speaker) had corrected it

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[A v i]

The fact that Urouge's word isn't credibility has been proven countless times in this section. It relies on word of mouth, which has led people to believe Luffy is an 8-foot-tall monster, and the World Government reports, which purposefully bend and twist the narrative past what is reality, such as Crocodile's and Moriah's(at Marineford) defeat, and even accidentally, such as Chopper's 50 Beli bounty and status as a mere pet.

So, If a News Channel broadcasts a false report, then every single thing they show us also becomes fallacious by default. o.o You might as well doubt Garp's status as The Hero of The Marines, The Yonko titles and The Pirate King title... etc. As they're all nothing more than rumors. Even the point of Luffy being SH's captain is a rumor for the rest of The World as they aren't personally acquainted with the crew. Urouge isn't your avg civilian to blindly follow the rumors without questioning their authenticity. He himself is a pirate and he perfectly understands how the world of Pirates work. He Or even the rest of the world believes Zoro to the be their number two because his accomplishments and actions so far perfectly matches that of a Vice-Captain figure in general.

If Oda really wants us to see him no differently from the rest of the crew; Why would be bother making this kind of statements via his characters?

If it weren't for Sanji's intellect, the Strawhats would have died here:

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And if it weren't for Zoro; SH's would've died at WP. It doesn't mean shit, Every single one of them played an important role in their survival thus far.

Even the whole urouge calling him a First mate can be a mistralansation as Aohige from AP forums (A native Japanese speaker) had corrected it

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Calling him Number-2 isn't going to change anything in slightest as they mean basically the same thing. Since you have this much faith in a native speaker, you might as well try to follow his views on Zoro; he thinks of Zoro as SH's Vice-Captain.

 

[loj]

Oda words wut? Oda didnt write the databooks, none of the shit said in them is his own words. Hell they even confirm sabos death when oda clearly says "I'll leave it uo to fans to decide:

Well he clearly did since it says made by author so you saying that Zoro isn't is irrelevant since Oda said different ^^

The databooks are a series of books by the author to supplement the facts of the One Piece series, revealing data that the manga did not. So far, five have been published.

Apparently that doesn't even matter since it doesn't support your theory )))) how it seems you know better than Oda then...

 

[A v i]

Tbh idk why u zoro fanboys think u guys write the manga if oda portrayed them as equal before why wouldn't he now I cannot wait till he portrays them as equal once more to shut u guys up its so infuriating how butt hurt u guys get when someone expresses their own opinion it's almost as if u guys literally have anger spasms behind the screen when Sanji and zoro are compared
Zoro has not fought nothing but scrubs since post time skip
Sanji since post timeskip needs to step up his game due to poor showing

But the fact is neither of them with the feats shown is portrayed to even take leadership over luffy due to lack of feats

For example if luffy and law (both who are superior to zoro and Sanji) wasn't there and it was only Sanji and zoro lol both would be raped

Same if it was rob lucci and no luffy zoro barely beat kaku and Sanji while he beat jabura impressively I highly doubt he could've taken on lucci

Ur so ****ing delusional if u think zoro and Sanji cannot be compared in any way when the ****ing creator of the manga has been comparing them non stop for almost ten years through rivalries powerscaling (kaku jabura) the kuma thing (yes zoro knocked Sanji out but that does not change the fact that both was portrayed right then and there to want to take the blow for thier captain)
Etc seriously macho ur fanboyism is insane right now lol

And yes while I agree zoro is first mate u will never see him make decisions for anyone in the crew because each of the crew will not listen to anyone but luffy and they have their own minds same with ussop no one will listen to him nor Sanji no one will listen to him either.... There r times where they take lead sure but to down right give orders I think robin would just honestly laugh in thier faces if they actually tried ordering her around... Saftey is one thing of course Zoro and Sanji would be looked at as leaders because of thier battle prowess respectfully as being #2,#3 of the crew in terms of strength but pass that and going to actual leading of the crew deciding where to go etc... Or down right giving orders u won't see none of them do that hell luffy barely does that because of how big the crews personalities are the only time I remember him doing something of that nature was when he ordered ussop to burn the flag above robin's head

Lmoa, I can sense overwhelming frustration from this post. If I think Zoro is stronger than Sanji; I am acting like I write manga. Yet those who believe Sanji to be Zoro's equal despite the evidence from manga suggesting the exact opposite are constructive people, Because?! You look at things from your perspective and form opinions based on your views, and so do I, Except for a few norms which are totally obvious; Everything we believe is an opinion not a fact.

The other dude posted his opinion and said "Zoro and Sanji are equals" and I quoted him saying they aren't which is my opinion. I didn't call him butthurt or insulted him in anyway for saying what he said, So I am not sure why you're overreacting here. You're forcefully trying to establish your opinion as a fact using insults to compound your argument, I did no such a thing. Who's acting like Oda here? Not me for sure. Who's getting butthurt Or/and over someone else's opinion? Not me. Read your own post when your B.P becomes normal, then you may find out the truth.

Lmao, Zoro fought Kuma and did a lot better than Sanji could ever hope against him. Hell, Sanji actually tried testing his luck against Kuma and was ignored completely by the same Kuma who sought to fight Zoro in Luffy's absence. It wasn't even the worse part of it, He was actually down without putting up a fight, that too from his own attack. Zoro is not the captain; Of course, he wouldn't be as competent as their captain but he can do a lot better than any other crew member. Sanji won easily against Jyabra because he was much weaker than Kaku not because Zoro is less competent. Jyabra's best shown attack couldn't even K.O. Usopp. o.o Further, Zoro didn't barely won the fight; Only one among M3 who barely came out of his fight was Luffy. Zoro had a lot more room to keep fighting. He had lot harder time than Sanji though.

Don't be ridiculous, All of Zoro's opponents are just as competent as if not stronger than Sanji's. It's just Zoro who's too strong that it made his opponents look like mediocre fighters. Even Luffy would look like a fodder when you pit him against a top tier, it doesn't make him weak in any manner.

Oda never compares Sanji's strength with Zoro. I love how people are very quick to jump on Douriki numbers and deliberately ignore everything else. Things you conveniently ignored are;

-Douriki only measures ones physical strength.
-Kaku is primarily a swordsman.
-Jyabra and Kaku weren't equals.
-Jyabra and Kaku's physical stats doesn't reflect Sanji and Zoro's strengths because the later duo were obviously stronger than the former duo.
-Kaku's devils fruit takes his physical stats to a whole new level which in turn increases the gap b/w Jyabra and him as he he was superior even in base.

The only thing that can be considered to be legit form the whole Douriki concept was that the gap b/w Kaku and Jyabra was smaller than the gap b/w Lucci and Kaku. That's about it. The gap wasn't really as small as their douriki suggests it to be. I'll remind you again, the best of Jyabra's attack couldn't K.O Usopp. Meanwhile, a Bigan can create powerful shock waves upon getting blocked, making it hard for the others to stand near them. {

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TB incident doesn't compare Zoro and Sanji. If anything, it shows Sanji is next on the line after Zoro. Zoro tried to take Luffy's place, where as, Sanji tried to take Zoro's place. Almost, Every crew member in OP would willingly die for their captain. It isn't exclusive for Luffy or The SH's. What matters here is who Oda choose to take Luffy's place in his absence and his choice was Zoro even when Sanji is around which is more than enough to conform him as number the two of the crew. Nothing stops Oda from having them both take his pain and show us that they're the same but he preferred to do something else.

We all know SH's crew isn't your ideal crew. None is allowed to boss around in the crew, not even Luffy. Zoro doesn't take decisions so often because it's the captains duty and he only steps it when he deems it necessary. The whole crew would willingly follow Usopp's lead if situation demands it. Sanji agreed with Zoro and decided to fight along side him when Zoro's decided to defeat Oars instead of stalling him until when Luffy defeats Moriah. He also agreed to fight along side Zoro against Foxy Pirates. So the whole crew doesn't listens to Zoro or anyone in the crew is just BS.


Now that I remember, Oda had Zoro fight bare handed when he fought along side Sanji against Foxy Pirates. He still performed equally well. If Sanji was as capable as Zoro, I wonder why only Zoro was restricted.

Well he clearly did since it says made by author so you saying that Zoro isn't is irrelevant since Oda said different ^^

The databooks are a series of books by the author to supplement the facts of the One Piece series, revealing data that the manga did not. So far, five have been published.

Apparently that doesn't even matter since it doesn't support your theory )))) how it seems you know better than Oda then...

Oda doesn't write them, But he must approve the content before it being published. Oda even suggests fans to refer to fan books to find more info about things in manga. Concerning the Sabo thing; Data books merely explain the events that already happened in the manga. They never include anything concerning things that may occur in the future. Irrc, Sabo was conformed to be dead at that point in manga and the D.B says the same thing. So, if you want to question DB's then you might as well prepare yourself to question the manga itself. Not to mention, You can't doubt an entire book over a mistake or two. That's downright ridiculous.