[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Data book says his fighting capacity is as high as Luffy's, which at best make them comparable not exactly equals. I find it totally accurate, Luffy's greatest weapon in a fight isn't his strength anyways, So I am not sure why you find it questionable. No, Zoro never goes against Luffy's decision unless it's questionable Or when Luffy acts childish. And He was the one who fought Kuma in Luffy's absence. Once again, not inaccurate in slightest.




He doesn't have to take decisions on daily basis. Lmao, What kind of reasoning it is? He literally just decided that he wouldn't let another crew member back to the crew. Do we need more than that?



Yet it was Zoro who Oda hand picked to take Luffy's place at TB. So, I guess Zoro is one step ahead of Sanji here.

Zoro and Sanji aren't equal by the way.

Tbh idk why u zoro fanboys think u guys write the manga if oda portrayed them as equal before why wouldn't he now I cannot wait till he portrays them as equal once more to shut u guys up its so infuriating how butt hurt u guys get when someone expresses their own opinion it's almost as if u guys literally have anger spasms behind the screen when Sanji and zoro are compared
Zoro has not fought nothing but scrubs since post time skip
Sanji since post timeskip needs to step up his game due to poor showing

But the fact is neither of them with the feats shown is portrayed to even take leadership over luffy due to lack of feats

For example if luffy and law (both who are superior to zoro and Sanji) wasn't there and it was only Sanji and zoro lol both would be raped

Same if it was rob lucci and no luffy zoro barely beat kaku and Sanji while he beat jabura impressively I highly doubt he could've taken on lucci

Ur so ****ing delusional if u think zoro and Sanji cannot be compared in any way when the ****ing creator of the manga has been comparing them non stop for almost ten years through rivalries powerscaling (kaku jabura) the kuma thing (yes zoro knocked Sanji out but that does not change the fact that both was portrayed right then and there to want to take the blow for thier captain)
Etc seriously macho ur fanboyism is insane right now lol

And yes while I agree zoro is first mate u will never see him make decisions for anyone in the crew because each of the crew will not listen to anyone but luffy and they have their own minds same with ussop no one will listen to him nor Sanji no one will listen to him either.... There r times where they take lead sure but to down right give orders I think robin would just honestly laugh in thier faces if they actually tried ordering her around... Saftey is one thing of course Zoro and Sanji would be looked at as leaders because of thier battle prowess respectfully as being #2,#3 of the crew in terms of strength but pass that and going to actual leading of the crew deciding where to go etc... Or down right giving orders u won't see none of them do that hell luffy barely does that because of how big the crews personalities are the only time I remember him doing something of that nature was when he ordered ussop to burn the flag above robin's head

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

There's over 800 chapters, you think I'm about to go back and search for all those instances?

Because there is none bro lol

 

[Dannie]

Because there is none bro lol

I posted some last page if you bothered to read it.

 

[Bogard]

Tbh idk why u sanji fanboys think you write the manga if oda never portrayed them as equal before why would he now I cannot wait till he portrays Zoro levels above Sanji as usual to see u even more butthurt its so infuriating how butt hurt u guys get when someone expresses their own opinion it's almost as if u guys literally have anger spasms behind the screen when Zoro is placed in similar pedestal to guys like Luffy and Law that Sanji can never dream to be compared with

Zoro low diffed people portrayed on similar level with other Sanji can never dream to defeat
Sanji since post timeskip needs to step up his game due to poor showing

But the fact is Sanji has no feats putting him anywhere near Zoro

For example if Law and Zoro(both levels above Sanji) wasn't there and it was only Sanji lol he would be raped

Same if it was rob lucci and no luffy zoro beat kaku impressively and Sanji barely beat jabura he'd not have been a good enough partner for Zoro to beat lucci

Ur so ****ing delusional if u think zoro and Sanji can be compared in any way when the ****ing creator of the manga always made clear it's Luffy/Zoro and the rest through Zoro and Luffy stalemating in Whiskey Peak, Zoro fighting the secondarily antagonist in thriller bark(Kuma), knocking out Sanji and taking Luffy's pain, places both Luffy and Zoro in the worst generation while ignoring Sanji, dances around and low diff a top executive with mountain level finishers paralleled with Law's when Sanji gets his main weapon broken by another in a short clash, clashing with an admiral 2times without being defeated, tanking a stronger attack than the one that immobilized Law and even pushing him back when Sanji can't move a vastly inferior opponent an inch back with a barrage of attacks and needs to be saved by Law
Etc seriously Devia ur fanboyism is insane right now lol

Like you can see i can do this too. This thread had nothing to do with Sanji, yet somehow the Sanji brigade comes ruining the thread. Why am i not surprised. After all, majority of the insecurity concerning this topic comes from them

 

[Punk Hazard]

Tbh idk why u sanji fanboys think you write the manga if oda never portrayed them as equal before why would he now I cannot wait till he portrays Zoro levels above Sanji as usual to see u even more butthurt its so infuriating how butt hurt u guys get when someone expresses their own opinion it's almost as if u guys literally have anger spasms behind the screen when Zoro is placed in similar pedestal to guys like Luffy and Law that Sanji can never dream to be compared with

Zoro low diffed people portrayed on similar level with other Sanji can never dream to defeat
Sanji since post timeskip needs to step up his game due to poor showing

But the fact is Sanji has no feats putting him anywhere near Zoro

For example if Law and Zoro(both levels above Sanji) wasn't there and it was only Sanji lol he would be raped

Same if it was rob lucci and no luffy zoro beat kaku impressively and Sanji barely beat jabura he'd not have been a good enough partner for Zoro to beat lucci

Ur so ****ing delusional if u think zoro and Sanji can be compared in any way when the ****ing creator of the manga always made clear it's Luffy/Zoro and the rest through Zoro and Luffy stalemating in Whiskey Peak, Zoro fighting the secondarily antagonist in thriller bark(Kuma), knocking out Sanji and taking Luffy's pain, places both Luffy and Zoro in the worst generation while ignoring Sanji, dances around and low diff a top executive with mountain level finishers paralleled with Law's when Sanji gets his main weapon broken by another in a short clash, clashing with an admiral 2times without being defeated, tanking a stronger attack than the one that immobilized Law and even pushing him back when Sanji can't move a vastly inferior opponent an inch back with a barrage of attacks and needs to be saved by Law
Etc seriously Devia ur fanboyism is insane right now lol

Like you can see i can do this too. This thread had nothing to do with Sanji, yet somehow the Sanji brigade comes ruining the thread. Why am i not surprised. After all, majority of the insecurity concerning this topic comes from them

You can't really have a topic that's literally "What's Zoro's position in relation to the crew" and not expect people to talk about Sanji. Franky, Nami, Usopp, Robin, and Chopper have all also been brought up in this discussion and compared to Zoro, not just Sanji. If anything, it's stupid to talk about dynamics that affect the entire crew when it comes to Zoro or Sanji, and not expect one of the other to be mentioned when they have a major dynamic between each other. Especially when one of the biggest arguments for Zoro's status as first mate is some super gap between him and every other Strawhat other than Luffy.

It has nothing to do with fanboyism or delusion, and everything to do with simply being that both have a major dynamic with each other in the crew, and the conversation is about the crew dynamic. Your choice to focus on the relation between Sanji and Zoro when relations have been made between Zoro and practically every other Strawhat in this thread speaks more for yourself and your own insecurities towards the topic of "Sanji and Zoro" than it does towards anyone else.

 

[Dannie]

I'm a Sanji fan, and even I never understood the whole "who is stronger between Zoro and Sanji" debate. IMO Zoro has always seemed stronger overall. Zoro has always faced off against the 2nd strongest opponents when faced with new enemies, and there's a reason why Oda does this continuously. I don't think it's by coincidence that he does this on several occasions either. Daz Bones, Kaku, while Sanji is left with the next strongest ones. Sure Zoro and Sanji have been shown to play fight and pretend like they are equal, a full serious Zoro would undoubtedly beat a serious Sanji mid diff. Zoro also seems to have some untapped potential that he hasn't unlocked yet.

But who knows, maybe Sanji is equal to Zoro in strength but from hype and feats, Zoro has displayed to be better than Sanji.

 

[Bogard]

I'm a Sanji fan, and even I never understood the whole "who is stronger between Zoro and Sanji" debate. IMO Zoro has always seemed stronger overall. Zoro has always faced off against the 2nd strongest opponents when faced with new enemies, and there's a reason why Oda does this continuously. I don't think it's by coincidence that he does this on several occasions either. Daz Bones, Kaku, while Sanji is left with the next strongest ones. Sure Zoro and Sanji have been shown to play fight and pretend like they are equal, a full serious Zoro would undoubtedly beat a serious Sanji mid diff. Zoro also seems to have some untapped potential that he hasn't unlocked yet.

But who knows, maybe Sanji is equal to Zoro in strength but from hype and feats, Zoro has displayed to be better than Sanji.

Well not every Sanji fan is like you unfortunately. Just ignore it and move on

 

[Love Cook]

Look I haven't posted in this thread before and only read the last two pages and the title.

There are two things that I don't get.

1) Somehow this thread pops up monthly and it always ends in the same way, why do people still keep doing this ?

2) How can you ask if Zoro is the second in command if Luffy doesn't even act like he is the first in command ?

That being said, everybody knows that Luffy is the captain, and everybody also knows that Zoro would be the next best thing.

HOWEVER, Zoro is a silent grump who only speaks up about something when there is important business. so all the casual decisions on the ship are almost made collectively.

So it might not be the ideal scenario, but they have 7 smarter more vocal people to back them up.

Also I don't get the whole 'fan' thing, if you would look at my profile you maybe can label me as a 'Sanji fan' I like his character the most in One Piece. But that doesn't mean I dislike Zoro or Chopper or whoever if they do something that Sanji can't. So if I have to be a fan I would probably be an Oda fan.

And just like I got into this thread I will leave this shitty mess. I won't be back to reply, this is what I think about the 'is Zoro in 2nd position' flavor of the month.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Look I haven't posted in this thread before and only read the last two pages and the title.

There are two things that I don't get.

1) Somehow this thread pops up monthly and it always ends in the same way, why do people still keep doing this ?

2) How can you ask if Zoro is the second in command if Luffy doesn't even act like he is the first in command ?

That being said, everybody knows that Luffy is the captain, and everybody also knows that Zoro would be the next best thing.

HOWEVER, Zoro is a silent grump who only speaks up about something when there is important business. so all the casual decisions on the ship are almost made collectively.

So it might not be the ideal scenario, but they have 7 smarter more vocal people to back them up.

Also I don't get the whole 'fan' thing, if you would look at my profile you maybe can label me as a 'Sanji fan' I like his character the most in One Piece. But that doesn't mean I dislike Zoro or Chopper or whoever if they do something that Sanji can't. So if I have to be a fan I would probably be an Oda fan.

And just like I got into this thread I will leave this shitty mess. I won't be back to reply, this is what I think about the 'is Zoro in 2nd position' flavor of the month.

I know right? The true sign of fanboyism are the people that label another person a Sanji fanboy just because they don't swallow Zoro. Saying Zoro isn't the first mate=Hate for him? That's true delusion right there.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Agreed a lot of fanboys especially zoro's more then anybody else and there own delusions into things. If zoro and sanji are shown to be equal by the creator of the manga its refused to be excepted for what reason I have no idea it's like they're feelings get hurt by the thought of them being equal. In one piece equal fighting strength has been shown a lot of times. Dorry and Brogy and even more recently Inyurashi and Nekomomushi. Zoro and sanji even took on the same legendary challenge the the Giants of little garden took on. In a fight between Mr. 1 and Mr. 2 it was Mr. 2 Who out paced Mr. 1 it's said that zoro always fights the second strongest but in all actuality zoro and sanji's opponents can clearly be seen as relatively equals. In Enies Lobby Kaku's physical strength was ranked at 2200 and Jabra was 2180.

20 was the difference of 2 fodder marine soldiers not taking into consideration of jabra's devil fruit. Then to make up that difference in strength Oda went out of his way to give Kaku a devil fruit to balance out their powers. Chopper even stated that between zoan devil fruits the carnivorous ones are more powerful do to their blood lust. In sanji's fight after being badly beaten by Khalifia he still defeated Jabra quite easily. Where as zoro had a much harder time defeating Kaku. If everything is taken into consideration it would be easily to say Kaku and Jabra were absolutely equal. In the face of adversity zoro and sanji have stood side by side ever since. In TB and post time skip.

In more recent times Oda has said in 2016 that zoro and sanji are the wings of the future pirate King. In all honesty if Oda's life depended on it he couldn't give a better example of zoro and sanji being equal. Wings unlike hands have to be equal to both take flight and sustain flight. Even when the creator of one piece goes on to say this it still can't be excepted and that shows if your a biased fanboy. I'm gonna go with Oda if he says they are the wings then that firmly cements what I already knew zoro and sanji are equal. I love them both equal so my opinion can't be viewed as bias just a fan speaking the truth and speaking facts not speculation.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Agreed a lot of fanboys especially zoro's more then anybody else and there own delusions into things. If zoro and sanji are shown to be equal by the creator of the manga its refused to be excepted for what reason I have no idea it's like they're feelings get hurt by the thought of them being equal. In one piece equal fighting strength has been shown a lot of times. Dorry and Brogy and even more recently Inyurashi and Nekomomushi. Zoro and sanji even took on the same legendary challenge the the Giants of little garden took on. In a fight between Mr. 1 and Mr. 2 it was Mr. 2 Who out paced Mr. 1 it's said that zoro always fights the second strongest but in all actuality zoro and sanji's opponents can clearly be seen as relatively equals. In Enies Lobby Kaku's physical strength was ranked at 2200 and Jabra was 2180.

20 was the difference of 2 fodder marine soldiers not taking into consideration of jabra's devil fruit. Then to make up that difference in strength Oda went out of his way to give Kaku a devil fruit to balance out their powers. Chopper even stated that between zoan devil fruits the carnivorous ones are more powerful do to their blood lust. In sanji's fight after being badly beaten by Khalifia he still defeated Jabra quite easily. Where as zoro had a much harder time defeating Kaku. If everything is taken into consideration it would be easily to say Kaku and Jabra were absolutely equal. In the face of adversity zoro and sanji have stood side by side ever since. In TB and post time skip.

In more recent times Oda has said in 2016 that zoro and sanji are the wings of the future pirate King. In all honesty if Oda's life depended on it he couldn't give a better example of zoro and sanji being equal. Wings unlike hands have to be equal to both take flight and sustain flight. Even when the creator of one piece goes on to say this it still can't be excepted and that shows if your a biased fanboy. I'm gonna go with Oda if he says they are the wings then that firmly cements what I already knew zoro and sanji are equal. I love them both equal so my opinion can't be viewed as bias just a fan speaking the truth and speaking facts not speculation.

Another thing to note is that Oda hasn't used that formula in almost ten years. Thriller Bark was the last arc where Sanji and Zoro fought the third and second strongest respectively, and the formula was abandoned in the middle of that very arc.

 

[RJ22BIG]

That is absolutely true didn't even think about that. Now that I do think about it the new formula has been more luffy vs the top boss and that boss would have top guys on equal footing. Doflamingo had his top 3 executives who were all trash and weak. Then there is Kaidou and his 3 calamities his 3 so called right hand top dogs.

 

[ToshiZO]

Tbh idk why u zoro fanboys think u guys write the manga if oda portrayed them as equal before why wouldn't he now I cannot wait till he portrays them as equal once more to shut u guys up its so infuriating how butt hurt u guys get when someone expresses their own opinion it's almost as if u guys literally have anger spasms behind the screen when Sanji and zoro are compared
Zoro has not fought nothing but scrubs since post time skip
Sanji since post timeskip needs to step up his game due to poor showing

But the fact is neither of them with the feats shown is portrayed to even take leadership over luffy due to lack of feats

For example if luffy and law (both who are superior to zoro and Sanji) wasn't there and it was only Sanji and zoro lol both would be raped

Same if it was rob lucci and no luffy zoro barely beat kaku and Sanji while he beat jabura impressively I highly doubt he could've taken on lucci

Ur so ****ing delusional if u think zoro and Sanji cannot be compared in any way when the ****ing creator of the manga has been comparing them non stop for almost ten years through rivalries powerscaling (kaku jabura) the kuma thing (yes zoro knocked Sanji out but that does not change the fact that both was portrayed right then and there to want to take the blow for thier captain)
Etc seriously macho ur fanboyism is insane right now lol

And yes while I agree zoro is first mate u will never see him make decisions for anyone in the crew because each of the crew will not listen to anyone but luffy and they have their own minds same with ussop no one will listen to him nor Sanji no one will listen to him either.... There r times where they take lead sure but to down right give orders I think robin would just honestly laugh in thier faces if they actually tried ordering her around... Saftey is one thing of course Zoro and Sanji would be looked at as leaders because of thier battle prowess respectfully as being #2,#3 of the crew in terms of strength but pass that and going to actual leading of the crew deciding where to go etc... Or down right giving orders u won't see none of them do that hell luffy barely does that because of how big the crews personalities are the only time I remember him doing something of that nature was when he ordered ussop to burn the flag above robin's head

lmfao shut the actual **** up.


@Thread.

Lmfao ofcourse Sanji is brought into this thread, by insecure fans.

 

[Punk Hazard]

lmfao shut the actual **** up.


@Thread.

Lmfao ofcourse Sanji is brought into this thread, by insecure fans.

I'll ask you the same questions Bogard so cleverly ducked answering:

1. Why are you focusing on the fact that Sanji was brought up in this thread when Usopp, Robin, Franky, and Nami were also brought up in the exact same way Sanji was(qualifications for first mate)?

2. Why do you expect people not to bring up Sanji in a thread that is about Zoro's dynamic within the crew when Luffy and Sanji are the people he has the strongest and most prominent dynamics with?

 

[ToshiZO]

I'll ask you the same questions Bogard so cleverly ducked answering:

1. Why are you focusing on the fact that Sanji was brought up in this thread when Usopp, Robin, Franky, and Nami were also brought up in the exact same way Sanji was(qualifications for first mate)?

2. Why do you expect people not to bring up Sanji in a thread that is about Zoro's dynamic within the crew when Luffy and Sanji are the people he has the strongest and most prominent dynamics with?

Because it turned into a power level discussion bud. You have people flaming about Zoro's power more than him being a VC.

Have no problem with Sanji being brought up if not for these reasons.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because it turned into a power level discussion bud. You have people flaming about Zoro's power more than him being a VC.

Have no problem with Sanji being brought up if not for these reasons.

It turned into a power level discussion because Zoro as VC supports bring up his strength as a reason he is the vice-captain. Others bring up how close Sanji is to discredit that as a valid reason. It directly relates to the discussion and originates from Zoro fans.

Zoro fanboys love to say Zoro is vice-captain because he's so overwhelmingly stronger than everyone else, and then label everyone who disagrees as a Sanji fanboy who needs to talk about how strong Sanji is and need to make it into a discussion about strength. Face it, you do wanna talk about Zoro and Sanji's strength so long as the only thing being said is how much stronger Zoro is and as long as everyone in the conversation swallows Zoro.

 

[Bogard]

The only reason i dodged your post is because you're apparently blind since you completely missed the point of my post in the first place and thus i didn't want to engage in another dialogue of the deaf with you

 

[Punk Hazard]

The only reason i dodged your post is because you're apparently blind since you completely missed the point of my post in the first place and thus i didn't want to engage in another dialogue of the deaf with you

My response to you was a response to this:

This thread had nothing to do with Sanji, yet somehow the Sanji brigade comes ruining the thread. Why am i not surprised. After all, majority of the insecurity concerning this topic comes from them

And it's false because, the thread is about how Zoro relates to the rest of the crew. Meaning it's about Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Franky, Usopp, Chopper, Brook, AND Sanji. Because a Zoro supporter brings up Zoro having a large gap in strength to anyone else, that Zoro supporter brings Sanji into the conversation because his argument relies on Zoro being much, much stronger than the next strongest Strawhat, which is Sanji.

Like I said before, you lot have zero problem talking about Zoro vs Sanji in a thread like this, you only have a problem when the narrative isn't that Zoro is a thousand times better. Any other derivative, and it's the fault of everyone else. It's not you fanboying, it's everyone else being a Sanji fanboy or a Zoro hater, just because they don't treat Zoro like Jesus' shit. If they aren't deepthroating all three of his swords while talking about Zoro vs Sanji in this thread, then and only then is Zoro vs Sanji a bad thing.

After all, if you don't want it to be Zoro vs Sanji, why didn't you quote and chastise the Zoro supporters who introduced the topic in the first place as a guise to fondle mosshead's nuts?

 

[ToshiZO]

It turned into a power level discussion because Zoro as VC supports bring up his strength as a reason he is the vice-captain. Others bring up how close Sanji is to discredit that as a valid reason. It directly relates to the discussion and originates from Zoro fans.

Zoro fanboys love to say Zoro is vice-captain because he's so overwhelmingly stronger than everyone else, and then label everyone who disagrees as a Sanji fanboy who needs to talk about how strong Sanji is and need to make it into a discussion about strength. Face it, you do wanna talk about Zoro and Sanji's strength so long as the only thing being said is how much stronger Zoro is and as long as everyone in the conversation swallows Zoro.

This is getting annoying to read. Zoro is 2nd in command because he has the most hints the author throws regarding him, more so than any other SH. Really that simple.

Screw off with your fanboy war. So annoying its 2016, been on forums for long enough how many more years do you need of this?

 

[Punk Hazard]

This is getting annoying to read. Zoro is 2nd in command because he has the most hints the author throws regarding him, more so than any other SH. Really that simple.

Screw off with your fanboy war. So annoying its 2016, been on forums for long enough how many more years do you need of this?

None of that has anything to do with what I said. You say Sanji vs Zoro had no relation to this thread. Now you're talking about the year and how long I've been on the forum, and about hints unrelated to the conversation we were having. Your conceding is appreciated.