[Discussion] Do You Support The Death Penalty For Rape?

[HashiraMadara]

It's funny how members believe "rape" should be given a death penalty yet they throw a shade(don't even describe) at "which case", "defining such situation" But I'll continue reading this flame war...

 

[Flaw]

Just cut their cocks off without anesthetics.

Waiting to be called barbaric by triggered plebs

inb4 "what if it's a woman"

Heated iron up her carcass idk :elmo:

 

['Kurapika]

Just cut their cocks off without anesthetics.

Waiting to be called barbaric by triggered plebs

inb4 "what if it's a woman"

Heated iron up her carcass idk :elmo:

Baiting became mainstream and you lost your charm, Flue.

 

[Avani]

"dictate the terms"
Try harder. See the quote below for what has always been my position


You're the zealot. Are you called Jean Grey because you're down with murder? You should call yourself Phoenix so everyone can see your true colors.

There , there ... Getting sensitive are we? I am not the one taking it upon myself to convince you or anyone else what should your/their opinion be? You are. That's exactly what zealots do.

Secondly murder is an unauthorized killing. If there is a legal sanction for it it's not called murder. Look up the dictionary and law books.

Bickering won't change that fact. And yea I like phoenix and maybe change my name to it. What are you going to do about it? Run screaming look her true colours- she is a murderer for not opposing death penalty for terrorists and sadistic/ multiple murderers!!!! That's just lame.

 

[minamoto]

There , there ... Getting sensitive are we? I am not the one taking it upon myself to convince you or anyone else what should your/their opinion be? You are. That's exactly what zealots do.

Secondly murder is an unauthorized killing. If there is a legal sanction for it it's not called murder. Look up the dictionary and law books.

Bickering won't change that fact. And yea I like phoenix and maybe change my name to it. What are you going to do about it? Run screaming look her true colours- she is a murderer for not opposing death penalty for terrorists and sadistic/ multiple murderers!!!! That's just lame.

why you always edit your comments?????????...

 

[Deadlift]

There , there ... Getting sensitive are we? I am not the one taking it upon myself to convince you or anyone else what should your/their opinion be? You are. That's exactly what zealots do.

Secondly murder is an unauthorized killing. If there is a legal sanction for it it's not called murder. Look up the dictionary and law books.

Bickering won't change that fact. And yea I like phoenix and maybe change my name to it. What are you going to do about it? Run screaming look her true colours- she is a murderer for not opposing death penalty for terrorists and sadistic/ multiple murderers!!!! That's just lame.

But in fact Jean Grey is just infamous :sdo:

 

[Marin]

why you always edit your comments?????????...

Pft ikr?

 

[HashiraMadara]

Secondly murder is an unauthorized killing.

I am sure if there was a authorised rape you'd vouch for it seeing how "law abiding" citizen you are.

 

[Avani]

why you always edit your comments?????????...

I have typing dyslexia that results in too many typos+ OCD which doesn't let me ignore it once I notice the typo/grammatical error. So I go back and fix it.

Sometimes I'm just merging posts like this time around.

I am sure if there was a authorised rape you'd vouch for it seeing how "law abiding" citizen you are.

That post shows your mindset, not mine.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Yeah. Couldn't care less. I have heard all sorts of insults, racist comments, death wishes for my whole family even for my children born and unborn, been sent some really nasty messages for issuing an infraction or closing a thread which I deemed to be rule breaking..

This is not helping the situation

It's internet for you the same internet righteous troll who maybe talking about human rights and anti abortion calling it a crime against god would have no fear of god when saying those things to you. You get over it.

Being ignorant to something is not "getting over it".

So by your means one's life belong to the state and its laws, hence the "unauthorised killing". Meaning whenever the authority is given it can be diminished at will following the supposedly broken law. I asked you your "rarest of the rarest" that should allow death penalty to the offender you answered "that would depend on the state". Meaning you're building a house with a flooring budget hoping the rest will fall into place and make a complete house hence "death sentence"

 

[Hachiman]

It's funny how members believe "rape" should be given a death penalty yet they throw a shade(don't even describe) at "which case", "defining such situation" But I'll continue reading this flame war...

Do you have any sister? :yeah:

 

[Avani]

This is not helping the situation

Being ignorant to something is not "getting over it".

So by your means one's life belong to the state and its laws, hence the "unauthorised killing". Meaning whenever the authority is given it can be diminished at will following the supposedly broken law. I asked you your "rarest of the rarest" that should allow death penalty to the offender you answered "that would depend on the state". Meaning you're building a house with a flooring budget hoping the rest will fall into place and make a complete house hence "death sentence"

How many times I have to tell you I am not discussing it with a guy who terms rape as a mere sexual encounter and proceeds to making lame stupid and pointless accusations like "I am sure if there was a authorised rape you'd vouch for it seeing how "law abiding" citizen you are.".

I suggest stop worrying about my views on death penalty you go back and worry over the situation in your own country first.

 

[HashiraMadara]

How many times I have to tell you I am not discussing it with a guy who terms rape as a mere sexual encounter and proceeds to making lame stupid and pointless accusations like "I am sure if there was a authorised rape you'd vouch for it seeing how "law abiding" citizen you are.".

I guess you couldn't answer the questions and stick to the "sexual encounter" nit you cannot live without

I suggest stop worrying about my views on death penalty you go back and worry over the situation in your own country first.

How very rich from an Indian lady

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Girl babies are often killed for several reasons, the most prominent one being financial reasons. The economical reasons include, earning of power as men as are the main income-earners, potential pensions, as when the girl is married she would part ways with her family and the most important one, the payment of dowry. Even though, it is illegal by Indian law to ask for dowry, it is still a common practice in certain socio-economic classes which leads to female infanticide, as the baby girls are seen as an economic burden.[38]

I think I see now where the "MOD" dominance of yours is coming from... You couldn't exhibit it in your community since your status is of a lower value than a "son" and that creates a tyrannical subconscious behaviour misfired on the net...

 

[Avani]

I guess you couldn't answer the questions and stick to the "sexual encounter" nit you cannot live without

How very rich from an Indian lady

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Jackie Selebi, the national police commissioner, said there were 115,3 cases per 100 000 people in 1994, compared with 113,7 in 2003/04. Selebi said rape statistics might be exaggerated because many rape cases were reported on a Friday and Saturday night, only to be withdrawn on a Monday.

It's the withdrawal of cases that bears closer examination, because it says nothing about women lying about rape as the ignorant might believe, but it says everything about a society that fails women and children and is allowing HIV/Aids to proliferate without check. South Africa has the highest rates of rape in the world, according to Interpol, and the highest incidence of HIV. The National Prosecuting Authority tells us that 50 percent of all cases before South African courts are for rape, except in Durban and Mdantsane, where it is 60 percent.

Although the Law Reform Commission estimates there are 1,7 million rapes a year, on average only 54 000 rape survivors lay charges each year. Why? It is because rape survivors are treated so badly by so many. Every time a rape survivor does not lay a charge, she allows a rapist or rapists - because 75 percent of rape in South Africa is gang rape - to believe he or they can do it again. And he or they will. Again and again, until a rape survivor does battle with the police, doctors, psychologists and the courts to get the justice she deserves, and to protect the next woman or child.

A Medical Research Council study into conditions for rape survivors in Gauteng in 2002 found that the treatment of survivors by police and medical and court personnel was deplorable. Two researchers were so traumatised by what they witnessed that they had to go for counselling.
The Medical Research Council reported that 26 percent of doctors and nurses who treated rape cases didn't think them a serious medical problem. Yet rape carries the risk of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including HIV, a range of other infections, pregnancy and long-term psychological scarring.

Last year the cabinet removed Section 21 from the new Sexual Offences Bill, which would have given post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP, which is medication to prevent HIV) as well as medication to prevent STIs and pregnancy to rape survivors. They left in Section 22, which guarantees medical care for the rapist and undertakes to rehabilitate any alcohol or narcotics addictions he might have.

In other words, the government will help to remove self-inflicted addictions from the criminal, but won't have legislation compelling hospitals to provide women and children with the medication that prevents them from getting criminal-inflicted HIV. Professor Ames Dhai of the University of Natal points out that there are twice as many rape survivors at risk of seroconversion to HIV than there are babies born in South Africa to HIV-positive mothers, yet there are few calls for PEP for rape survivors. She asks: Is it because of residual stigma against those raped?.

Just over a month ago a 21-year-old student was forced at knifepoint into an alley off Long Street, Cape Town, and was raped. When she went to Groote Schuur Hospital she, like many rape survivors, found it difficult to use the word rape.

She told the admissions clerk she had been attacked. Because government hospitals do not see the necessity to train staff to be sensitive towards this problem, he told her to see her private doctor. She had to wait until the next morning - and yet the administration of PEP is urgent: to prevent HIV it has to take place less than 72 hours after the first act of penetration or attempted penetration.

Her doctor, being as incompetent as most GPs in dealing with rape survivors - in part because most universities give scant training to medical students on how to deal with rape - made her wait while he tried to figure out what medicines she should take. He finally gave her a prescription for two months of PEP instead of just 28 days.

It took her six hours and eight chemists to find a chemist that stocked anti-retrovirals - she finally sat in the eighth pharmacy, which didn't have the drugs, and refused to move until she was told where she could find them. Only then did a chemist pick up a phone and help her to get access to them. In the country with the world's highest rate of HIV and rape, why do so few pharmacies stock anti-retrovirals, or at the very least three-day PEP starter packs for rape survivors? This failure has nothing to do with the new medical regulations: few were stocking ARVs before.

The young woman's father phoned the police from Johannesburg, and was told that the cameras on Long Street had not picked up anything untoward on that night, so there was no point in laying a charge. Failures like these lead to statistics like these:
UNAIDS reported last year that in South Africa two-and-a-half times more women are infected than men because many women experience forced ***.
UNICEF reports that six times more girls than boys in Africa are infected with HIV.
A Human Sciences Research Council study found a significant cohort of HIV-infected children whose mothers were not HIV-positive. How did they become infected?.
In South Africa, police tell us, 41 percent of those raped are under the age of 12. In Meadowlands, Soweto, police say 90 percent of rape in that community is against children younger than 12.

Superintendent Nico Snyman, head of that police station, says that despite a good arrest rate, only a small percentage of cases get prosecuted because families will accept compensation from the rapist or rapists, and the child is then prevented from testifying. In the case of a young man raped in Wentworth, Durban, three years ago, when he was 14, the thugs who raped him offered his impoverished grandmother R3 000 to get him to drop the case. She wanted the money, but he refused despite continuing threats.

Investigating officers were changed three times, the prosecutors four times. The victim went for counselling at a well-known child counselling centre, but because he is an orphan and his grandmother unemployed, he couldn't afford bus fare to continue and no one bothered to go to him. Last week the case against the accused was dismissed for lack of evidence. The prosecutor did not add extortion to the charge sheet, nor did she bother to get anyone to testify how he the victim took rat poison after the rape and spent a week in Addington Hospital's psychiatric ward because he was so traumatised.

The investigating officer was on leave and did not testify, and no victim impact statement was used. Gangsters got away with the rape of a boy because no one cared, and this was a case the National Prosecuting Authority's Sexual Offences Unit received frequent complaints about.

A nine-year study by Cape Town's Red Cross Children's Hospital, published in the SA Medical Journal in December 2002, found that the average age of children raped was three. Research has shown that 40 percent of those raped in South Africa are at risk of becoming HIV-positive if they do not receive PEP.

Experts believe that if post-exposure prophylaxis was given immediately to rape survivors, South Africa could cut new HIV transmission dramatically. Yet little is done to advance this HIV preventive mechanism. What are the costs of providing PEP? The cost to the government of each HIV test is less than 60c, according to the department of health. PEP costs it about R60 for 28 days. In other words, to treat 54 000 reported rapes each year would cost the government less than R600 000.

A rape specialist, Dr Adrienne Wulfsohn, says the hospital costs of treating one rape survivor who contracts HIV is around R600 000 during her shortened life. Better treatment of rape survivors would result in more reporting and would give them the confidence to go through with their cases. What is more, most rapists are involved in other crimes - you jail a rapist and you invariably put away a dangerous criminal responsible for other offences.

South Africans need to become more serious about combating this crime. Charlene Smith, a journalist, was raped and stabbed in her home in 1999 and has since become an internationally recognised expert on sexual violence and post-exposure prophylaxis. (Source: Sunday Independent, 26 September 2004)

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I didn't say my country didn't have the problem; I said your seem to be worse. And we are discussing rape cases NOT gender gap. On top of it I'm not the one demanding we go lenient on criminals. I'm all for going strict on rapists and raising social awareness regarding the issue. You are the one worried what we will do with rapists in our country. So...


Edit since you edited your post to add this:

I think I see now where the "MOD" dominance of yours is coming from... You couldn't exhibit it in your community since your status is of a lower value than a "son" and that creates a tyrannical subconscious behaviour misfired on the net...

You have been constantly insulting me ever since you became active here. Is that the psyche of the male who is not getting his way and resents that a female keeps calling him out on his BS?

There is a deep resentment and hate you display at me being a mod and a female and Indian( there were plenty of unprovoked random jabs thrown in). I have been ignoring it but that doesn't mean I am not seeing it.

Get yourself sorted first before trying it for others.

 

[Hachiman]

I think I see now where the "MOD" dominance of yours is coming from... You couldn't exhibit it in your community since your status is of a lower value than a "son" and that creates a tyrannical subconscious behaviour misfired on the net...

You have gone overboard. Reported.

 

[HashiraMadara]

That's gender gap index NOT rape index. Is that deliberate distraction or you made an honest mistake?

This is the map you should look at:

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I didn't say my country doesn't have the problem; I said your seem to be worse. And we are discussing rape cases NOT gender gap. On top of it I'm not the one demanding we go lenient on criminals. I all for going strict on rapists and raising social awareness regarding the issue. You are the one worried what we will do with rapists in our country. So...

Good job internet fishing for raping articles of my country. Yeah my country is not very strict when it comes to "punishment". My late brother was a criminal who died in action. He was a convict many times only to be locked a few months and be free. Because of such everyone seem to not care about "police" etc, since you won't get that much of a punishment(free chaotic wonderland). Everyone is dating everyone here and AIDS rates are amongst the highest in the world when you're including the encircled Swaziland. Many still have some old backwards beliefs HOWEVER unlike you, I haven't turned a blind eye on such and threw diabolical shade on reality switched it with my fantasies for a "correct world".

A state which own lives is no different from the Nazis, when the agenda changes the death punishment that you voted for could be changed to be used on minuscule offences leaving you with no power to fight against it. THAT IS WHY CAPITAL PUNISHMENT SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED.

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You have been constantly insulting me ever since you became active here. Is that the psyche of the male who is not getting his way and resents that a female keeps calling him out on his BS?

That was very cheap

There is a deep resentment and hate you display at me being a mod and a female and Indian( there were plenty of unprovoked random jabs thrown in). I have been ignoring it but that doesn't mean I am not seeing it.

Now who is living in imaginary land?

 

[Avani]

That was very cheap

That's exactly what have YOU have been doing for too many posts for many days.

I do not care what you think about me but whatever it is it doesn't belong to this discussion and it has reached the limit of harassment and attempted bullying. You are utterly mistaken if you think you can keep it up and I will keep taking it. You can go to premium section and cry there over it if you wish or to your FB friends or in skype groups, or wherever you can have a group that will lend you a shoulder and may rather cheer for this gimmick for lulz. But not in the forums.

PS: Quit double posting so much. There is an edit button use it.

 

['Kurapika]

That's a map of reported rapes per capita in accordance to what is defined as rape in each individual state. The fact that Sweden is the darkest shade should give you an idea what that map is meaningless.

 

[ZK]

There , there ... Getting sensitive are we? I am not the one taking it upon myself to convince you or anyone else what should your/their opinion be? You are. That's exactly what zealots do.

Secondly murder is an unauthorized killing. If there is a legal sanction for it it's not called murder. Look up the dictionary and law books.

Bickering won't change that fact. And yea I like phoenix and maybe change my name to it. What are you going to do about it? Run screaming look her true colours- she is a murderer for not opposing death penalty for terrorists and sadistic/ multiple murderers!!!! That's just lame.

Lady, you're in the discussion section. Did you think you could just say your piece and nobody would challenge you? Is it hard for you to understand what a discussion is?

You're right, and drone strikes that kill hundreds of civilians could just be descried as kinetic operations, but that makes them no more just. And according to Chinese law they have every right to arbitrarily imprison dissidents as they please, but that makes it no more right. Weren't you condemning the 'Europeans' and 'Americans' for causing so much death and destruction? Well, it was all sanctioned by the government and legal for all intends and purposes.

Ah, so now it's only terrorists and sadistic murderers who deserve the death penalty. Well, it's a start.
What am I going to do about it? What is this, kindergarten? You could at least act like you're mature enough to be a Gmod.

That's a map of reported rapes per capita in accordance to what is defined as rape in each individual state. The fact that Sweden is the darkest shade should give you an idea what that map is meaningless.

Also this. The Swedish definition of rape is extremely broad. The fact that you would use a map like that to further your argument shows how little you actually engage with this issue, Mrs. Gmod.

You have been constantly insulting me ever since you became active here. Is that the psyche of the male who is not getting his way and resents that a female keeps calling him out on his BS?

There is a deep resentment and hate you display at me being a mod and a female and Indian( there were plenty of unprovoked random jabs thrown in). I have been ignoring it but that doesn't mean I am not seeing it.

Get yourself sorted first before trying it for others.

You've been constantly insulting me ever since you became active in this thread. Is this the psyche of a female who is not getting her way and resents that a male keeps calling her out on her BS?

You are the one resenting. Resenting Europeans, and Americans, and males in general. How about you take a good look at yourself before you throw this kind of moral high horse stuff around? You literally throw thinly-veiled insults around constantly, but can't take it when people respond in kind.

 

[Avani]

Lady, you're in the discussion section. Did you think you could just say your piece and nobody would challenge you? Is it hard for you to understand what a discussion is?

You're right, and drone strikes that kill hundreds of civilians could just be descried as kinetic operations, but that makes them no more just. And according to Chinese law they have every right to arbitrarily imprison dissidents as they please, but that makes it no more right. Weren't you condemning the 'Europeans' and 'Americans' for causing so much death and destruction? Well, it was all sanctioned by the government and legal for all intends and purposes.

Ah, so now it's only terrorists and sadistic murderers who deserve the death penalty. Well, it's a start.
What am I going to do about it? What is this, kindergarten? You could at least act like you're mature enough to be a Gmod.



Also this. The Swedish definition of rape is extremely broad. The fact that you would use a map like that to further your argument shows how little you actually engage with this issue, Mrs. Gmod.



You've been constantly insulting me ever since you became active in this thread. Is this the psyche of a female who is not getting her way and resents that a male keeps calling her out on her BS?

You are the one resenting. Resenting Europeans, and Americans, and males in general. How about you take a good look at yourself before you throw this kind of moral high horse stuff around? You literally throw thinly-veiled insults around constantly, but can't take it when people respond in kind.

It's obvious that you have not been reading my posts otherwise you would have known what I have been saying since the beginning but when you can attribute a totally made up statement to me I shouldn't expect better from you.

Ever since first post you are the one trying to preach and others are on high horse? And nope rejecting your argument doesn't equate to resenting males of all species. Nor not agreeing with you is an insult.

And then you are getting your panties in a bunch over the map that was given in reply to another off topic map. There is plenty more to read. I didn't post anything based on that map alone. Unlike you I try not to make unfounded claims.

Obviously this thread for you is not about posting "what do you think about death penalty for rape" but "I will tell you what you should think about it."

That's a map of reported rapes per capita in accordance to what is defined as rape in each individual state. The fact that Sweden is the darkest shade should give you an idea what that map is meaningless.

There are a lot of other stats and links and google for you and general crime rate stats. SA uses some 59 categories of sexual assault and still manages to have a high rate. So do not compare it to Sweden nor be so dismissive without studying anything. The other guy used off topic map so I provided the right one. Nothing more nothing less.