[THEORY] Uzumaki origins#2 and every ninja clan's origin.

[InfiniteMugen]

You are in deny, you already forgot the previous talk, I brought you many similarities.

Minato is strong, he was Hokage, nothing in the manga says that every senju can be a jin, in fact no senju were jin.
You reasonning is wrong, you can't conclude that he isn't a Senju based on assumptions.

Your reasoning being absolute and mine being invalid by your admission is ridiculous to be honest. I simply stated that kushina had whole kurama right? She was Jin to whole kurama because of her uzumaki heritage and in effect it's connections to the senju(in this particular case, life force and chakra) if Minato had any such connections why would he struggle to seal even HALF of kurama with an uzumaki seal? Cmon dude you can't conclude he WAS a senju based on assumptions.
And honestly at this point I've used more manga references to say he isn't a senju then your simple he's like tobirama he must be a senju reasoning

 

[Chikombo]

I wonder what happened with the Senjus they just disappeared along with Hashirama. Minatos last name is Namikaze so I don't think he is a Senju, that uzumaki and senju are related is like on a long scale so it's probably fine and not incest. Everyone is related if you date us back to monkeys for example.

 

[NextGenNinja]

Still rejecting the idea because of assumptations?



Interesting idea.

Yeah, i also base this off the fact that kaguya had much more chakra than the war arc juubi. Implying that she's returning to her former strength, some say she simply was beyond her original strength when she got revived but that seems ridiculous.

 

[salamander uchiha]

If minato is a senju it would be mentioned ad part of his hype but alas it isn't so. I'd advise for you to leave the fanfic at the door. As for uzumaki they're a branch of the Senju who had potent life force and developed a style of fuinn jutsu (which can be replicated by non uzumaki so not much hype there either).

 

[V h o]

Origin of all the clans of the world:

I don't like the hypothesis that the hundreds of shinobi clans in the whole NV are all from Kaguya's descendance.

I theorized years ago that hagoromo was able to create a chakra network into simple humans he met during his trip, so that they will be able to use ninshuu.Those humans being ancestors of every clan in NV.
And the anime made Hago able to give the ability to use ninshuu to the humans he was able to connect with, to his friends.He then dispatched his disciples around the world (explaining the origin of almost every ninja clan of the narutoverse).

Uzumaki origins:

There is no proof that Nagato's father isn't a Senju, and there is no proof that Naruto's father isn't a senju.
Plus there is the fact that Kushina Uzumaki had no affinity with Yang, she had an affinity with Yin, and that's disturbing for a descendant of Ashura the Yang son.
Finally, incest doesn't seem to be a standard in the Senju clan, I don't think Hashirama would marry Mito Uzumaki if they were brothers at some point.

My last theory is that Uzumaki are descendants of the ninshuu brother of Ashura's wife, or descendants of her ninshuu father.That fits all the statements of the manga, can you find an inconsistency with that theory?

If I'm not mistaken, Kaguya is only related to Oktsuki, Hyuga, Senju, Uchiha, and Uzumaki. Other clans may have mixed with these clans over time, which may explain blood line limits. Although people were still living on the planet when kaguya landed/arrived, and when chakra was distributed everyone got chakra.


At bold: Ashura's step-brother? or Ashura's step-father? Wouldn't these people not be blood related then?

 

[davidou]

Your reasoning being absolute and mine being invalid by your admission is ridiculous to be honest. I simply stated that kushina had whole kurama right? She was Jin to whole kurama because of her uzumaki heritage and in effect it's connections to the senju(in this particular case, life force and chakra) if Minato had any such connections why would he struggle to seal even HALF of kurama with an uzumaki seal? Cmon dude you can't conclude he WAS a senju based on assumptions.
And honestly at this point I've used more manga references to say he isn't a senju then your simple he's like tobirama he must be a senju reasoning

I debunked every one of your assumptions, unlike you.

Again, being Senju doesn't mean you are able to seal a beast in your body.
Some Uzumaki have the power to do so, not Senju, making your point invalid.Why Tsunade isn't a jin?Because she doesn't know the Uzumaki jutsu to do so, making again your point invalid.
Senju are not known for their life force, Uzumaki are.

I never conclude that Minato was a Senju.Unlike you, I'm not stupid enough to claim hypothesis.

If I'm not mistaken, Kaguya is only related to Oktsuki, Hyuga, Senju, Uchiha, and Uzumaki. Other clans may have mixed with these clans over time, which may explain blood line limits. Although people were still living on the planet when kaguya landed/arrived, and when chakra was distributed everyone got chakra.


At bold: Ashura's step-brother? or Ashura's step-father? Wouldn't these people not be blood related then?

I don't like this idea that every ninja clan comes from Kaguya.

Ashura's step father/brother has no relation to Ashura, but the sons of Ashura would have some of his genes, given that they also come from Ashura's wife who has a direct blood relation to her brother/father, making the descendants of her father/brother distant blood related to her sons who are the sons of Ashura (the Senju clan).
If Ashura's step brother/father created the Uzumaki clan, this clan would be related to the Senju clan.

 

[V h o]

I don't like this idea that every ninja clan comes from Kaguya.

Ashura's step father/brother has no relation to Ashura, but the sons of Ashura would have some of his genes, given that they also come from Ashura's wife who has a direct blood relation to her brother/father, making the descendants of her father/brother distant blood related to her sons who are the sons of Ashura (the Senju clan).
If Ashura's step brother/father created the Uzumaki clan, this clan would be related to the Senju clan.

They simply don't, only a hand few come from Kaguya, and those being the: Hyuga, Oktsuki, Senju, Uchiha, and Uzumaki. Others come from other people. The planet did have people before Kaguya :lol

 

[davidou]

They simply don't, only a hand few come from Kaguya, and those being the: Hyuga, Oktsuki, Senju, Uchiha, and Uzumaki. Others come from other people. The planet did have people before Kaguya :lol

But how did simple humans got the ability to use chakra?
That's what made me theorized that Hago was able to give a chakra network and the ability to use ninshuu.

 

[V h o]

But how did simple humans got the ability to use chakra?
That's what made me theorized that Hago was able to give a chakra network and the ability to use ninshuu.

He gave them chakra (believe from kaguya or something) and tried to connect people with chakra (ninshu). In the anime lol) they also showed Ashura teaching people how to use chakra. Also believe Indra taught people how to use chakra in the form of ninjutsu or something (think databook mentions something on this idk). That's how the other clans (non-related to kaguya) got chakra.

 

[davidou]

He gave them chakra (believe from kaguya or something) and tried to connect people with chakra (ninshu). In the anime lol) they also showed Ashura teaching people how to use chakra. Also believe Indra taught people how to use chakra in the form of ninjutsu or something (think databook mentions something on this idk). That's how the other clans (non-related to kaguya) got chakra.

I very much like this idea.

 

[V h o]

I very much like this idea.

I thought it was confirmed, perhaps not :lol

 

[davidou]

I thought it was confirmed, perhaps not :lol

I don't think canon confirmed it, although the anime did point the fact that Indra created a ninjutsu sect.Given that he killed his ninshuu friends, he had to give some humans students the ability to use chakra.
The anime made Ashura able to teach ninshuu.

I really thought that simple humans couldn't use chakra.I believed someone had to make something on a human body to make it able to use chakra.
But I have doubts now, thanks.
Do you think that every human has the ability to use chakra via teaching, or, that some magic thing has to be done to create a chakra network in their bodies?

 

[davidou]

Yeah, i also base this off the fact that kaguya had much more chakra than the war arc juubi. Implying that she's returning to her former strength, some say she simply was beyond her original strength when she got revived but that seems ridiculous.

That makes sense, but she also can be beyond her original strength when she got revived.
The god tree absorbs the life force of simple cats and simple humans, there may be a lot more energy (living creatures on the planet and ninjas) now than 1000 years ago.

 

[V h o]

I don't think canon confirmed it, although the anime did point the fact that Indra created a ninjutsu sect.Given that he killed his ninshuu friends, he had to give some humans students the ability to use chakra.
The anime made Ashura able to teach ninshuu.

I really thought that simple humans couldn't use chakra.I believed someone had to make something on a human body to make it able to use chakra.
But I have doubts now, thanks.
Do you think that every human has the ability to use chakra via teaching, or, that some magic thing has to be done to create a chakra network in their bodies?

Well you have to have chakra to use chakra.

 

[davidou]

Well you have to have chakra to use chakra.

That makes sense.Although the chakra coming from the god tree is killing the human villagers, in the anime.
Chakra is made of physical and spiritual energy, so humans have the components to create chakra, they could just lack the chakra network to "cook" chakra.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I debunked every one of your assumptions, unlike you.

Again, being Senju doesn't mean you are able to seal a beast in your body.
Some Uzumaki have the power to do so, not Senju, making your point invalid.Why Tsunade isn't a jin?Because she doesn't know the Uzumaki jutsu to do so, making again your point invalid.
Senju are not known for their life force, Uzumaki are.

I never conclude that Minato was a Senju.Unlike you, I'm not stupid enough to claim hypothesis.




I don't like this idea that every ninja clan comes from Kaguya.

Ashura's step father/brother has no relation to Ashura, but the sons of Ashura would have some of his genes, given that they also come from Ashura's wife who has a direct blood relation to her brother/father, making the descendants of her father/brother distant blood related to her sons who are the sons of Ashura (the Senju clan).
If Ashura's step brother/father created the Uzumaki clan, this clan would be related to the Senju clan.

I'm only using the Jin as an example something happening in the manga suggesting he's not a senju or in anyway connected to them. While you literally have nothing in the manga to prove or even suggest that he is. Nothing, nada, your sole reasoning is he's like tobirama, they share ftg! Three jonin from konoha can do ftg too, what's your point? Are they senju? Hiruzen supposedly can do ftg as well, is he a senju know? Oh and he was a hokage too!! Must be senju!! I don't care anymore dude, I have more to say he's not then you do to say he is. Nothing in the manga, databooks sh ndens, anime, filler episodes, nothing even hints at it. He's just not a senju, it's funny your that was calling me close minded earlier yet you've done nothing but refuse anything I've presented to you that's good reasoning in the manga to suggest that he's even close. all you've done is say the same lame rebuttal over and over. I'm over it, he's not a senju no matter how much you want him to be

 

[davidou]

I'm only using the Jin as an example something happening in the manga suggesting he's not a senju or in anyway connected to them. While you literally have nothing in the manga to prove or even suggest that he is. Nothing, nada, your sole reasoning is he's like tobirama, they share ftg! Three jonin from konoha can do ftg too, what's your point? Are they senju? Hiruzen supposedly can do ftg as well, is he a senju know? Oh and he was a hokage too!! Must be senju!! I don't care anymore dude, I have more to say he's not then you do to say he is. Nothing in the manga, databooks sh ndens, anime, filler episodes, nothing even hints at it. He's just not a senju, it's funny your that was calling me close minded earlier yet you've done nothing but refuse anything I've presented to you that's good reasoning in the manga to suggest that he's even close. all you've done is say the same lame rebuttal over and over. I'm over it, he's not a senju no matter how much you want him to be

I just used logic to make your arguments invalids, one after the other, without exception.

You just are denying almost every one of my points.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I just used logic to make your arguments invalids, one after the other, without exception.

You just are denying almost every one of my points.

Whatever dude, say and think what you want he's not a senju, I'm even not the only one that's told you yet you refuse to even accept it, it's fine, you thinking he is doesn't change facts, and you haven't said anything logical to counter anything other than "but that doesn't mean he ISNT senju", that's literally it. Real logic :sdo: im done

 

[davidou]

Whatever dude, say and think what you want he's not a senju, I'm even not the only one that's told you yet you refuse to even accept it, it's fine, you thinking he is doesn't change facts, and you haven't said anything logical to counter anything other than "but that doesn't mean he ISNT senju", that's literally it. Real logic :sdo: im done

That's exactly what closed-minded is, you reject an idea that can be true.

 

[NextGenNinja]

That makes sense, but she also can be beyond her original strength when she got revived.
The god tree absorbs the life force of simple cats and simple humans, there may be a lot more energy (living creatures on the planet and ninjas) now than 1000 years ago.

Idk about that. Her goal was to make chakra all one again not endlessly acquire more power. Good possibility though.