[THEORY] Uzumaki origins#2 and every ninja clan's origin.

[davidou]

Origin of all the clans of the world:

I don't like the hypothesis that the hundreds of shinobi clans in the whole NV are all from Kaguya's descendance.

I theorized years ago that hagoromo was able to create a chakra network into simple humans he met during his trip, so that they will be able to use ninshuu.Those humans being ancestors of every clan in NV.
And the anime made Hago able to give the ability to use ninshuu to the humans he was able to connect with, to his friends.He then dispatched his disciples around the world (explaining the origin of almost every ninja clan of the narutoverse).

Uzumaki origins:

There is no proof that Nagato's father isn't a Senju, and there is no proof that Naruto's father isn't a senju.
Plus there is the fact that Kushina Uzumaki had no affinity with Yang, she had an affinity with Yin, and that's disturbing for a descendant of Ashura the Yang son.
Finally, incest doesn't seem to be a standard in the Senju clan, I don't think Hashirama would marry Mito Uzumaki if they were brothers at some point.

My last theory is that Uzumaki are descendants of the ninshuu brother of Ashura's wife, or descendants of her ninshuu father.That fits all the statements of the manga, can you find an inconsistency with that theory?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

There's no proof narutos father isn't a senju? Wtf?

 

[davidou]

There's no proof narutos father isn't a senju? Wtf?

Yeah, some good readers theorized years ago that Minato was a Senju based on the huge similarities between him and Tobirama plus there is the fact that Minato was raised by Tobirama's best student.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Yeah, some good readers theorized years ago that Minato was a Senju based on the huge similarities between him and Tobirama plus there is the fact that Minato was raised by Tobirama's best student.

I could see the connections there but I think that's a bit of a stretch. The only similarity between him and tobirama is their use of ftg. Otherwise I really don't see the link to him being a senju. He had no notably strong body or strong chakra to speak of. And if tsuna had it mentioned multiple times(granted she was hashis gd) I assume it would of been mentioned at least once.

Edit: not everyone that's good in nv has to be connected to the senju or uchiha, geez

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

pretty much stopped reading at "I theorized"

 

[davidou]

I could see the connections there but I think that's a bit of a stretch. The only similarity between him and tobirama is their use of ftg. Otherwise I really don't see the link to him being a senju. He had no notably strong body or strong chakra to speak of. And if tsuna had it mentioned multiple times(granted she was hashis gd) I assume it would of been mentioned at least once.

They both rely on speed and reflexes, they don't use huge jutsus in scale, both are calm and quick thinkers, both are sensors, both were Hokage...
Tobirama and Minato probably never met, unlike Tsunade with Hashirama.

This isn't the point of the thread, the point of the thread is to counter my theory, with manga facts, to prove it wrong.
Your assumptions will never do that.

 

[lndra]

Good to see theories again

 

[InfiniteMugen]

They both rely on speed and reflexes, they don't use huge jutsus in scale, both are calm and quick thinkers, both are sensors, both were Hokage...
Tobirama and Minato probably never met, unlike Tsunade with Hashirama.

This isn't the point of the thread, the point of the thread is to counter my theory, with manga facts, to prove it wrong.
Your assumptions will never do that.

So your theory itself is an assumption but anyone else's assumptions are invalid? Your basis is because they have a similar fighting style? Cool. There's absolutely no manga facts linking them by lineage yet you want manga facts to prove he's not? It seems like you just made a thread for people that agree with your theory more than anything else

 

[davidou]

pretty much stopped reading at "I theorized"

That means you didn't stopped reading at "I theorized".

So your theory itself is an assumption but anyone else's assumptions are invalid? Your basis is because they have a similar fighting style? Cool. There's absolutely no manga facts linking them by lineage yet you want manga facts to prove he's not? It seems like you just made a thread for people that agree with your theory more than anything else

You don't disprove an assumption with assumptions.
If I had the proofs, I wouldn't have put theory in the title.
I just wanted to open your mind to a new possibility or to make me realise that this hypothesis is impossible (if someone could counter it), but it seems you are closed minded because you reject it without any proof that it is wrong.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

That means you didn't stopped reading at "I theorized".



You don't disprove an assumption with assumptions.
If I had the proofs, I wouldn't have put theory in the title.
I just wanted to open your mind to a new possibility or to make me realise that this hypothesis is impossible (if someone could counter it), but it seems you are closed minded because you reject it without any proof that it is wrong.

Not close minded, I just don't assume that every single relevant shinobi has to be connected to the senju or uchiha just cause, that's all, that in itself is just boring, but to each his own

Edit: and by your def, the proof of him not being a senju is in the manga already by never being mentioned in anything in the manga ever to even suggest it. Reading too much into it doesn't make you right

 

[FemmeFatale]

You've inspired me to tell about the Haruno

 

[davidou]

Not close minded, I just don't assume that every single relevant shinobi has to be connected to the senju or uchiha just cause, that's all, that in itself is just boring, but to each his own

Edit: and by your def, the proof of him not being a senju is in the manga already by never being mentioned in anything in the manga ever to even suggest it. Reading too much into it doesn't make you right

You are in deny, I brought you lots of similarities.

Edit:I thought you would know that, the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.

You've inspired me to tell about the Haruno

Great, can't wait.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

You are in deny, I brought you lots of similarities.

Edit:I thought you would know that, the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.




Great, can't wait.

Just similarities though, I could totally except nagatos dad or mom as some kind of decendant as we know at least one of them(even though they didn't even seem like nin for some reason) was an uzumaki. Who we at least know for a fact are in some way are related to the senju, Minato is somewhat similar to Sakura in that their clans are respective nobodies but made a name for themselves. And besides, if Minato was a senju in any way shape or form( say through decendants) he probably could of just made himself the Jin of kurama instead of his infant son and things playing out the way they did

 

[NextGenNinja]

Origin of all the clans of the world:

I don't like the hypothesis that the hundreds of shinobi clans in the whole NV are all from Kaguya's descendance.

I theorized years ago that hagoromo was able to create a chakra network into simple humans he met during his trip, so that they will be able to use ninshuu.Those humans being ancestors of every clan in NV.
And the anime made Hago able to give the ability to use ninshuu to the humans he was able to connect with, to his friends.He then dispatched his disciples around the world (explaining the origin of almost every ninja clan of the narutoverse).

Uzumaki origins:

There is no proof that Nagato's father isn't a Senju, and there is no proof that Naruto's father isn't a senju.
Plus there is the fact that Kushina Uzumaki had no affinity with Yang, she had an affinity with Yin, and that's disturbing for a descendant of Ashura the Yang son.
Finally, incest doesn't seem to be a standard in the Senju clan, I don't think Hashirama would marry Mito Uzumaki if they were brothers at some point.

My last theory is that Uzumaki are descendants of the ninshuu brother of Ashura's wife, or descendants of her ninshuu father.That fits all the statements of the manga, can you find an inconsistency with that theory?

@bold They aren't.
I do have a similar yet slightly different view of how they passed on chakra to modern shinobi. I'm not hundred percent sure that hagoromo created the chakra network system in his followers but he seemed to take some chakra from the juubi and gave it to them. They passed that on to their descendants etc.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

That means you didn't stopped reading at "I theorized".

it pretty much means I did

 

[davidou]

Just similarities though, I could totally except nagatos dad or mom as some kind of decendant as we know at least one of them(even though they didn't even seem like nin for some reason) was an uzumaki. Who we at least know for a fact are in some way are related to the senju, Minato is somewhat similar to Sakura in that their clans are respective nobodies but made a name for themselves. And besides, if Minato was a senju in any way shape or form( say through decendants) he probably could of just made himself the Jin of kurama instead of his infant son and things playing out the way they did

Still rejecting the idea because of assumptations?

@bold They aren't.
I do have a similar yet slightly different view of how they passed on chakra to modern shinobi. I'm not hundred percent sure that hagoromo created the chakra network system in his followers but he seemed to take some chakra from the juubi and gave it to them. They passed that on to their descendants etc.

Interesting idea.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Still rejecting the idea because of assumptations?



Interesting idea.

Just fighting assumptions with assumptions, both hold up equally well without proof of either no? And honesty the rest of the theory is fine, I just don't agree that Minato has any senju lineage. And that even if he did, it's so far disconnected that it would be irrelavant, the fact that he didn't even consider making himself a Jin lends some weight to my belief at least, he couldn't even seal the whole thing with an(manga fact) outside sourced uzumaki seal(rds)

 

[davidou]

Just fighting assumptions with assumptions, both hold up equally well without proof of either no? And honesty the rest of the theory is fine, I just don't agree that Minato has any senju lineage. And that even if he did, it's so far disconnected that it would be irrelavant, the fact that he didn't even consider making himself a Jin lends some weight to my belief at least, he couldn't even seal the whole thing with an(manga fact) outside sourced uzumaki seal(rds)

Not very much weight in the fact that dying Minato couldn't seal the whole Kurama in him.
Way less weight than in the fact that there are only 2 users of Tobirama's jutsu in the entire NV, himself and Minato.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Not very much weight in the fact that dying Minato couldn't seal the whole Kurama in him.
Way less weight than in the fact that there are only 2 users of Tobirama's jutsu in the entire NV, himself and Minato.

So him using a similar jutsu(jiraya uses the rasengan too, is he a senju if Minato is?) holds more weight than the dude admitting to need an uzumaki(related to senju by manga facts) seal? Especially when kushina had WHOLE KURAMA.... Again, to each his own. The fact that the manga went out of its way to have Minato say that he needed a outsourced uzumaki seal, and the fact that all you have to go on is similarities in one jutsu is enough for me to conclude he wasn't a senju, if it's not enough for you that's fine and there's nothing wrong with that

 

[davidou]

So him using a similar jutsu(jiraya uses the rasengan too, is he a senju if Minato is?) holds more weight than the dude admitting to need an uzumaki(related to senju by manga facts) seal? Especially when kushina had WHOLE KURAMA.... Again, to each his own. The fact that the manga went out of its way to have Minato say that he needed a outsourced uzumaki seal, and the fact that all you have to go on is similarities in one jutsu is enough for me to conclude he wasn't a senju, if it's not enough for you that's fine and there's nothing wrong with that

You are in deny, you already forgot the previous talk, I brought you many similarities.

Minato is strong, he was Hokage, nothing in the manga says that every senju can be a jin, in fact no senju were jin.
You reasonning is wrong, you can't conclude that he isn't a Senju based on assumptions.