[Discussion] Do You Support The Death Penalty For Rape?

[Avani]

It would be medieval and stupid to repay in kind, so why is escalating the punishment not? Or do you believe death as not escalating the punishment? Would it be a softer punishment then?

Why is it that people support the rights of the rapist? Previous neglect? Could you give examples of this circumstance where the rapist is given more rights than the victim?

Also could you explain how victims have a bigger stigma than rapists?

I a running short on time these days and it's quite late at night already. But
you may google the actual states world over- the crime rate+ conviction rates and implications for victims.

I can however give one example:

In many countries victims are forced to marry the rapist if he agrees | Yay!!) often to escape legal case) because few marry such a girl, at least no good matches ( another yay!):

These include Venezuela in Latin America, Indonesia in Asia, Cameroon and Chad in Africa, and Denmark and Russia in Europe. Despite a common perception of Scandinavian countries being progressive in their human rights policies, a 2011 Amnesty International report indicates that Denmark’s legislation “provides that if the perpetrator enters into or continues a marriage or registered partnership with the victim after the rape, it gives grounds for reducing or remitting the punishment.”

In the Arab world, at least Algeria, Iraq, Syria, Tunisia, Lebanon, Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan, and the Occupied Palestinian Territories, to which Jordanian law applies, have similar laws as well.

“I suspect every Arab country has such an article in its criminal code,” Lama Abu-Odeh, professor of comparative and foreign law at Georgetown Law, told WMC’s Women Under Siege. “Most criminal codes in the Arab world have been copied from each other with minor variations,” she explained.

Egypt repealed a law in 1999 that allowed rapists to walk free if they married their victim, and Ethiopia repealed a similar law as recently as 2005. According to Samer Muscati, a women’s rights researcher at Human Rights Watch, Libya also gives its judges the discretion to facilitate marriage between rapists and victims. When asked whether the Libyan revolution has changed this ability, Muscati said he believes that judges can still exercise it, though he is not aware of a case since the revolution in which this particular judicial discretion was used.

Indeed, in Libya and elsewhere, judicial and customary practices may allow rapists to marry their victims even when the letter of the law does not. Legal codes alone do not indicate how prevalent the practice truly is. Law enforcement agencies may pressure women to marry their attackers rather than press charges. For example, in Eritrea, according to a 2011 State Department human rights report, authorities often respond to rape reports by encouraging the rapist to marry the victim. And pressure from authorities can go a long way.

In India, a terrible parallel to Filali’s story played out in December 2012: A 17-year-old girl committed suicide after being gang-raped. Prior to her death, police had refused to register her complaint and had pressured her to marry one of her attackers. Although the officers in that case were later punished, their actions betray the dangerous bias that governments and their agencies have against rape survivors—regardless of what policies are in place.

And in Afghanistan, custom plays a large role. This was apparent in the case of a woman named Gulnaz who became pregnant after a man raped her—and who was then herself imprisoned for adultery. Her case, and the fact that a victim can be jailed for the crime she had to endure, gained international attention in December 2011, when President Hamid Karzai agreed to release Gulnaz. Although the BBC reported that her release was not on the condition that she marry her attacker, she told reporters that she may end up marrying him anyway, pressured by tradition.

While that tradition may be tied to religion, said Judith Tucker, a professor of Arab studies at Georgetown University and the author of Women, Family, and Gender in Islamic Law, it “doesn’t really have a root in the schools of Islamic law.”

Still, back in Morocco, where the young Filali was forced to marry her rapist, religion may have played a role. According to Nada Rifki, a Moroccan women’s rights activist and writer for GlobalGirl Media, a nonprofit that trains teenage girls around the world in journalism, “Most of the men in our very patriarchal Muslim society will never marry a woman who was touched by another man.”

“Since I was a child,” Rifki said, “I was taught that, along with all the other girls in my society.”

Because of the shame associated with rape, she explained, many Moroccans consider marriage to one’s rapist the only viable solution for a victim. And until that notion changes, young girls like Filali may continue to opt for suicide over a lifetime of living with the men who violated them.

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And when you see so many western news where a rape victim ends up harassed if the rapists were popular football players it won't be surprised. Maybe you will be able to tell how it's not stigmatizing women for being raped and forcing them to shut their mouth. So many posts in this thread itself consider most cases to be fake even without any statistical proof. etc.

It's just one problem. It gets darker for many others. For some section they are already **** because of the rape thus now they should be available to any one( one reason some may choose to marry one rapist instead of getting targeted by even more people). ..and so on. The ones who end up dead or killed are in huge number too.

What are you talking about? Rehabilitation requires serious effort from both parties, but there is a very low rate of rehabilitation in, for example, American facilities because they treat their inmates pretty badly there, especially in county jails.
And that depends very much on the country we're talking about, of course. The length of the sentence, the conditions of the jails, the help and opportunities afforded to the inmates, etc. These things all depend on what country we're talking about.
You talk like rapists serve no time at all. I don't know about India, but rape is not just 'frowned upon' here in Denmark, nor in the rest of the West generally, I would say.
The psychology? Are you going to just paint offenders with broad strokes? It seems ignorant to assume that these offenders, violent or sexual, have similar psyches.

Denmark: I just found out that Denmark’s legislation “provides that if the perpetrator enters into or continues a marriage or registered partnership with the victim after the rape, it gives grounds for reducing or remitting the punishment.”

:|

If you say something like that people will think it's some country in south Asia, Africa or middle east. [ In India it's not through legislation ( thank god) but the social notions are hard to fight and many may get pressurized in to a marriage to a rapist]

And I can link enough cases from Europe and america in recent years where rapist got as little as community service or walked out way too soon. But I suggest you be helpful and google it yourself.

 

[ZK]

I a running short on time these days and it's quite late at night already. But
you may google the actual states world over- the crime rate+ conviction rates and implications for victims.

I can however give one example:

In many countries victims are forced to marry the rapist if he agrees | often to escape legal case) because few marry such a girl, at least no good matches:

You must be registered for see links

And when you see so many western news where a rape victim ends up harassed if the rapists were popular football players it won't be surprised. Maybe you will be able to tell how it's not stigmatizing women for being raped and forcing them to shut their mouth. So many posts in this thread itself consider most cases to be fake even without any statistical proof. etc.

It's just one problem. It gets darker for many others. For some section they are already **** because of the rape thus now they should be available to any one( one reason some may choose to marry one rapist instead of getting targeted by even more people). ..and so on. The ones who end up dead or killed are in huge number too.

We could do better, certainly. I would like to mention, however, that I have never heard of that part of my country's legislation being used in any case within my lifetime.
But, you're derailing this thread. Rape is terrible, we all agree, some people in this thread have not taken it seriously, agreed, but it is not murder. It is not final.
This thread is about whether or not rape should be punishable by death, which of course it shouldn't. You seem to just glaze over this and continue to come back to rape not being taken seriously in your opinion. The rights of rape victims is certainly important, but I would argue that no matter how heinous the crime, especially if it is not murder, nobody deserves to be put to death. I maintain that your stance on this is clouded by wanting 'vengeance' for the victims.

 

[Avani]

We could do better, certainly. I would like to mention, however, that I have never heard of that part of my country's legislation being used in any case within my lifetime.
But, you're derailing this thread. Rape is terrible, we all agree, some people in this thread have not taken it seriously, agreed, but it is not murder. It is not final.
This thread is about whether or not rape should be punishable by death, which of course it shouldn't. You seem to just glaze over this and continue to come back to rape not being taken seriously in your opinion. The rights of rape victims is certainly important, but I would argue that no matter heinous the crime, especially if it is not murder, nobody deserves to be put to death. I maintain that your stance on this is clouded by wanting 'vengeance' for the victims.

I'm not derailing anything. It doesn't become off topic because it's uncomfortable for you. I replied a direct question which was right on topic. You cannot discuss the punishment without understanding the gravity of crime and it's effects on the victim's life .

 

[ZK]

I'm not derailing anything. It doesn't become off topic because it's uncomfortable for you. I replied a direct question which was right on topic. You cannot discuss the punishment without understanding the gravity of crime and it's effects on the victim's life .

Aha, you are of course the boss of that.
I'm not uncomfortable. I'm surprised, however, that you seem so comfortable with putting people to death.
Certainly, but victims are very different. Some suffer for a long time, some recover fast, even if they retain some mental scars. Some people get PTSD from being mugged; should a mugger be punished more harshly because of that?

 

[V h o]

I a running short on time these days and it's quite late at night already. But
you may google the actual states world over- the crime rate+ conviction rates and implications for victims.

I can however give one example:

In many countries victims are forced to marry the rapist if he agrees | Yay!!) often to escape legal case) because few marry such a girl, at least no good matches ( another yay!):

You must be registered for see links

And when you see so many western news where a rape victim ends up harassed if the rapists were popular football players it won't be surprised. Maybe you will be able to tell how it's not stigmatizing women for being raped and forcing them to shut their mouth. So many posts in this thread itself consider most cases to be fake even without any statistical proof. etc.

It's just one problem. It gets darker for many others. For some section they are already **** because of the rape thus now they should be available to any one( one reason some may choose to marry one rapist instead of getting targeted by even more people). ..and so on. The ones who end up dead or killed are in huge number too.



Denmark: I just found out that Denmark’s legislation “provides that if the perpetrator enters into or continues a marriage or registered partnership with the victim after the rape, it gives grounds for reducing or remitting the punishment.”

:|

If you say something like that people will think it's some country in south Asia, Africa or middle east. [ In India it's not through legislation ( thank god) but the social notions are hard to fight and many may get pressurized in to a marriage to a rapist]

And I can link enough cases from Europe and america in recent years where rapist got as little as community service or walked out way too soon. But I suggest you be helpful and google it yourself.

Oh my, that forced marriage is terrible. Always been against it, and it still continues to amaze with how low it can become. I do believe some of those countries have a slew of issues regarding woman that need to be changed.

I'm in no rush and understand you may have other things to do, whenever you feel like explaining the other parts of my questions I'll be waiting to hear them. You seem to know where these cases are anyway.

As for the Western example of America, it is true but it's mostly due to money. Sadly in America you can get far too much if you can afford it.

Edit:

Yeah, agreed.
And when you don't invest anything in rehabilitating people then, surprise, they don't often get rehabilitated.

Oddly enough I believe it has been shown that rehabilitation is cheaper, yet it has so much resistance still :lol

 

[Avani]

Aha, you are of course the boss of that.
I'm not uncomfortable. I'm surprised, however, that you seem so comfortable with putting people to death.
Certainly, but victims are very different. Some suffer for a long time, some recover fast, even if they retain some mental scars. Some people get PTSD from being mugged; should a mugger be punished more harshly because of that?

Yes I'm.

I prefer to make it quick if that gives you a relief. :| I don't believe in hypocritical idea of " state doesn't have the right to kill anyone" because it's not absolute truth and State has to have that right to deal with hardened criminals and enemy forces. Otherwise it couldn't give weapons to police or army. Death penalty needs all the caution and careful deliberation but the option should be there just for those rarest off the rare occasion.

Well how many mugged people are told they are **** , should kill themselves for bringing in shame to family or poisoned by helpful family or maybe married to the person who mugged them to cure their PTSD?

 

[ZK]

Yes I'm.

I prefer to make it quick if that gives you a relief. :| I don't believe in hypocritical idea of " state doesn't have the right to kill anyone" because it's not absolute truth and State has to have that right to deal with hardened criminals and enemy forces. Otherwise it couldn't give weapons to police or army. Death penalty needs all the caution and careful deliberation but the option should be there just for those rarest off the rare occasion.

Well how many mugged people are told they are **** , should kill themselves for bringing in shame to family or poisoned by helpful family or maybe married to the person who mugged them to cure their PTSD?

That does not happen here, and even if it did it would not justify euthanizing the offender. At least I do not believe so.
Still, it is interesting to hear the opposite point of view. I catch myself writing from my own experiences and my own country; it is easy to forget that there are places in the world where reality is very different.

 

[FervantMage4747]

To be honest, rapist are despicipal and they deserved to die. But when their framed its a different story. I believe that people of either gender who rape for fun are evil and thet deserve what they get. OT: yes i do support death penalty

 

[Desiigner]

Typical NB thread.

 

[Avani]

Oddly enough I believe it has been shown that rehabilitation is cheaper, yet it has so much resistance still :lol

Rehabilitation doesn't always work. It depends on the personality of the criminal, his reasons and circumstances too.

In the infamous

You must be registered for see links

case ( BBC made a documentary about it solely focusing on India and conveniently ignoring the

You must be registered for see links

back home )
the youngest rapist was 4 months short of 18 years according to a school certificate.

He is already back on the street since he was a minor and treated as a juvenile. Counselor said that the guy had no remorse and for him it was all about proving his masculinity and he was satisfied. They beat the girl with a rusted iron rod 42 times and violated her with it( he was the one who said to have put it inside her. ) They threw her off from a moving bus on a dusty roadside with 95% of her intestines hanging out at the night time. She died after a week or so. While she was still in hospital she was not told the condition she was in and her brother said that hardest part was when she repeatedly asked for food and he didn't know how to tell her she wouldn't be able to eat another morsel in her life. The intestines had to be cut off to stop infection.

Rehabilitation was a complete failure but police can do nothing about it. There is no law to keep him behind the bar because of him being minor at the time.

Last I read about him, he was said to be in contact with some ISIS recruiters and had to be given counseling for de- radicalization. Yay! it sure worked first time around...

And while the guy is back on street- no one knows who is he since being a minor his identity was not disclosed. Some politicians offered him monetary help to open a tailoring shop as a rehabilitation!! Have fun giving your measurements to a rapist!!! It just gets better and better. smh

Another one of them still on trial and in Jail went on to say on camera ( in the BBC interview) that girl was to blame stating that she was out at night with a BF ( they were returning after watching a movie 'Life of pie") and then dared to fight them back when they made their advances.

Only good outcome of that BBC interview was that he lost remaining sympathy among the people he knew and who thought he was not directly involved and just driving the bus realized it was not the case. A neighbour finally accepted that they had their own daughters( from the area) working at airport (thus come late at night or sometimes have a night duty) and that people who think like that are a problem. Often people do not put 2 and 2 together till they realize the whole implication.

Developed countries with better law and order situation seem to have it relatively better. But the way I see so many people dismiss all the rape charges casually and blame the girl it doesn't seem like resolved. I linked the Britain rape scandal above - failure of police to take the cases sincerely and letting so many girls be raped.

Another online site from America was advocating not dating rape victims at all so that they learn to deal with it in private and stop crying so much. blaming feminists for making it a huge issue unlike in the past when the family members dealt with it inside their home. And from an article from a rape victims from USA:

Many survivors, including myself, have been dumped by a significant other after revealing that being a victim of sexual assault was part of our pasts.

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So I doubt that misogyny and shutting up the rape victims problem is limited to developing/ low income countries.

In USA at least in some states rapists have a visitation right if the rape resulted in birth of a child. And now I hear that abortion is illegal too in some of them. Would be a nice combo for some of those rape victims. :|

These are real issues that are barely discussed. But you get a daily thread about rape.

That does not happen here, and even if it did it would not justify euthanizing the offender. At least I do not believe so.
Still, it is interesting to hear the opposite point of view. I catch myself writing from my own experiences and my own country; it is easy to forget that there are places in the world where reality is very different.

How about euthanizing the rape victim?

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[Angelic.]

Just send them to jail to experience it lol

 

[Xlad]

After thinking about it, I may have to lean towards no. I don't know if this point was mention, but suspects still have some worth due to information. Simply put, a dead person cannot speak. Even if a suspect commits an alleged heinous crime, they may still have information vital for related cold cases.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Left for hiking on Saturday and come back Monday and this is still on going :sdo:

My question remains, those who are so into the "offender" getting a "capital punishment" would they do it themselves when given the honours? if not then that is so hypocrital :sdo:

 

[Deadlift]

Left for hiking on Saturday and come back Monday and this is still on going :sdo:

My question remains, those who are so into the "offender" getting a "capital punishment" would they do it themselves when given the honours? if not then that is so hypocrital :sdo:

Actually, often not even executioners are totally comfortable with that. For example, with lethal injection they're three and nobody knows who is injecting the substance

 

[Scorps]

Perhaps I'm a saddist but... I think the worse possible punishment isn't Death. Its imprisonment. And in this, I feel, honestly, that rape is treated far too leniently in most countries. In my own, justice is, by default, lenient with prison sentences. We don't have life sentences not death sentences. Cumulatively, you can only serve a max of 25 years. To be issued that kind of sentence you need to basically kill many people and have no mental problems what so ever diagnosed (which is by relation, a bit illogical but..yeah). A rapist will get 2 or 3 years in jail. Sometimes, he can opt to have his jailling time served in his non working days for example. If he has a university degree, he'll be able to be locked on friday night, released on monday mornings, in this vacation days, in the hollydays and every day he doesn't work. He might even, after a given time, be allowed to exchange the remaining prison days for money (a prison day = x€) or community work hours. And this is more or less the same for all crimes except murder or attempted murder. All the other crimes in my country can suffer this.

Tbh, for me, money, drugs, etc crimes ok. But crimes in which you are physically aggressive towards others like rape, domestic abuse, child abuse, murder, battery, etc etc should be a bit harsher. The effect something like that has in a victim's life will not pass in 3 or 4 years.

This said, by principle, I abominate the death sentence logic. We are evolved, not animals. Killing someone is by principle against what the law defends which is the life of everyone. It think its a horrible practice and while I sympathise with the pain of those affected that wish for the death sentence to their aggressors, I cannot in good will say its in any way a practice that should exist in educated, advanced, evolved societies. Thats what prisons are for. Thats what mental hospitals are for. Jail them for life. Remove their freedom. Remove every single citizenship right they have. Heck, remove their property and money. Remove it all but don't remove their lives.

 

[ZK]

How about euthanizing the rape victim?

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Cherry picking and you know it. First of all liveactionnews is a questionable source; it's anti-abortionist and very socially conservative. Not to mention that it's just chock-full of bad journalism.

Here's a response from Dutch officials to similar slander of Dutch euthanisia made by Rick Santorum in 2010:

"It not only requires consent but a waiting period. If a doctor dispatches someone without their consent or satisfying the tight controls, he is charged with murder.

The doctor must document that he or she confirmed that the patient requesting euthanasia or assisted suicide is making a voluntary and informed request. The record must also show that the patient was suffering unbearably and was fully informed about the prospects. Then a second doctor must examine the patient and supply a second written opinion on the satisfaction of the criteria."
(

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)

Dutch Law requires express consent, plus a ton of other requirements. I know you're very invested in this issue, but you need to get your facts straight. I mean, read the articles. Some, if not all, of the claims are really ludicrous.

EDIT: Abortion is not illegal in any US state. Some states have very harsh laws on the issue, but Roe v Wade ensures that it is unconstitutional to illegalize abortion completely.

 

[V h o]

Rehabilitation doesn't always work. It depends on the personality of the criminal, his reasons and circumstances too.

In the infamous

You must be registered for see links

case ( BBC made a documentary about it solely focusing on India and conveniently ignoring the

You must be registered for see links

back home )
the youngest rapist was 4 months short of 18 years according to a school certificate.

He is already back on the street since he was a minor and treated as a juvenile. Counselor said that the guy had no remorse and for him it was all about proving his masculinity and he was satisfied. They beat the girl with a rusted iron rod 42 times and violated her with it( he was the one who said to have put it inside her. ) They threw her off from a moving bus on a dusty roadside with 95% of her intestines hanging out at the night time. She died after a week or so. While she was still in hospital she was not told the condition she was in and her brother said that hardest part was when she repeatedly asked for food and he didn't know how to tell her she wouldn't be able to eat another morsel in her life. The intestines had to be cut off to stop infection.

Rehabilitation was a complete failure but police can do nothing about it. There is no law to keep him behind the bar because of him being minor at the time.

Last I read about him, he was said to be in contact with some ISIS recruiters and had to be given counseling for de- radicalization. Yay! it sure worked first time around...

And while the guy is back on street- no one knows who is he since being a minor his identity was not disclosed. Some politicians offered him monetary help to open a tailoring shop as a rehabilitation!! Have fun giving your measurements to a rapist!!! It just gets better and better. smh

Another one of them still on trial and in Jail went on to say on camera ( in the BBC interview) that girl was to blame stating that she was out at night with a BF ( they were returning after watching a movie 'Life of pie") and then dared to fight them back when they made their advances.

Only good outcome of that BBC interview was that he lost remaining sympathy among the people he knew and who thought he was not directly involved and just driving the bus realized it was not the case. A neighbour finally accepted that they had their own daughters( from the area) working at airport (thus come late at night or sometimes have a night duty) and that people who think like that are a problem. Often people do not put 2 and 2 together till they realize the whole implication.

Developed countries with better law and order situation seem to have it relatively better. But the way I see so many people dismiss all the rape charges casually and blame the girl it doesn't seem like resolved. I linked the Britain rape scandal above - failure of police to take the cases sincerely and letting so many girls be raped.

Another online site from America was advocating not dating rape victims at all so that they learn to deal with it in private and stop crying so much. blaming feminists for making it a huge issue unlike in the past when the family members dealt with it inside their home. And from an article from a rape victims from USA:

You must be registered for see links

So I doubt that misogyny and shutting up the rape victims problem is limited to developing/ low income countries.

In USA at least in some states rapists have a visitation right if the rape resulted in birth of a child. And now I hear that abortion is illegal too in some of them. Would be a nice combo for some of those rape victims. :|

These are real issues that are barely discussed. But you get a daily thread about rape.




How about euthanizing the rape victim?

You must be registered for see links

I was referring to America, where I believe it was shown to be cheaper than to incarcerate. And I never said rehabilitation works on everyone, and it probably won't. All humans behave differently (per se) and have to be triaged to suit their conditions and circumstances. But time will tell, when people try to use rehabilitation more.

Edit: I believe the data was on drug offenders, juveniles, and others. I don't believe there was data on rapists.

 

[Avani]

Killing someone is by principle against what the law defends which is the life of everyone.

Exactly which principle you are talking about? Your police is armed or not? Law is supposed to " protect" all the citizens where it's applicable and to do so it is duty bound to take measures against the people who break the rules established by law.

Cherry picking and you know it. First of all liveactionnews is a questionable source; it's anti-abortionist and very socially conservative. Not to mention that it's just chock-full of bad journalism.

Here's a response from Dutch officials to similar slander of Dutch euthanisia made by Rick Santorum in 2010:

"It not only requires consent but a waiting period. If a doctor dispatches someone without their consent or satisfying the tight controls, he is charged with murder.

The doctor must document that he or she confirmed that the patient requesting euthanasia or assisted suicide is making a voluntary and informed request. The record must also show that the patient was suffering unbearably and was fully informed about the prospects. Then a second doctor must examine the patient and supply a second written opinion on the satisfaction of the criteria."
(

You must be registered for see links

)

Dutch Law requires express consent, plus a ton of other requirements. I know you're very invested in this issue, but you need to get your facts straight. I mean, read the articles. Some, if not all, of the claims are really ludicrous.

EDIT: Abortion is not illegal in any US state. Some states have very harsh laws on the issue, but Roe v Wade ensures that it is unconstitutional to illegalize abortion completely.

Here you go off the tangent once again. No cherry picking here and you don't have to be that defensive either.

I am simply referring to the option of euthanasia- it is there and being exercised. That's all that matters here. I am not questioning the reasoning and what precautions your law takes. That has nothing to do with my post.

Whatever the reason and whatever the circumstances and whatever precautions- there are Laws that allow it. And it's being applied and the law is providing means for it. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Scorps]

Exactly which principle you are talking about? Your police is armed or not? And ready to shoot back at criminals or gives them rosary?





Here you go off the tangent once again. No cherry picking here and you don't have to be that defensive either.

I am simply referring to the option of euthanasia- it is there and being exercised. That's all that matters here. I am not questioning the reasoning and what precautions your law takes. That has nothing to do with my post.

Whatever the reason and whatever the circumstances and whatever precautions- there are Laws that allow it. And it's being applied and the law is providing means for it. Nothing more, nothing less.

If a police officer shoots a suspected criminal, if he is found unarmed with a fire arm, then the police officer goes to jail. Has happened some times in the last 10 years. The law here defines the carrying of weapons by law enforcers as a self defense mechanism for them, not to carry out justice on the street and kill like you see in the USA. To subdue criminals they use pepper sprays and tasers.

I know I come from the "pussies" of Europe when in terms of crime we are concerned but for some reason, violence in my country is so subdue and minimal.

I see self defense of a police officer different than lethal force to subdue a criminal which is what you're talking about. Here police aren't authorized to use lethal force like that. If terror hits us and stuff begins to change, then ok, perhaps that will change but for now, its mute.


A court sentencing someone to death for a crime is very different than a military defending his country against enemies or a police officer defending himself when fired upon. At least for me.

 

[Avani]

If a police officer shoots a suspected criminal, if he is found unarmed with a fire arm, then the police officer goes to jail. Has happened some times in the last 10 years. The law here defines the carrying of weapons by law enforcers as a self defense mechanism for them, not to carry out justice on the street and kill like you see in the USA. To subdue criminals they use pepper sprays and tasers.

I know I come from the "pussies" of Europe when in terms of crime we are concerned but for some reason, violence in my country is so subdue and minimal.

I see self defense of a police officer different than lethal force to subdue a criminal which is what you're talking about. Here police aren't authorized to use lethal force like that. If terror hits us and stuff begins to change, then ok, perhaps that will change but for now, its mute.


A court sentencing someone to death for a crime is very different than a military defending his country against enemies or a police officer defending himself when fired upon. At least for me.

You are talking about personal conviction then, not legal principles. Reduced crime rate is also a perk of living in less populated and developed country-with better infrastructure etc.